Srecko Sostar

Revisions are a kind of contradiction. Take, for example, interpretations of "generation." Each new "revision" is contrary to the previous interpretation. So they are all contradictory to each other.
I am not interested in other religions, because all religions are the same. They want to have power over people. The conversation about this religion stems from only one fact. I used to be a member of this religion. I'm not anymore. This is just a part of mental / spiritual gymnastics, then certain types of loneliness and lack of interest in socializing with people who have a different history. There are probably some other reasons, but who will understand all this :).

Revisions are a kind of contradiction. Take, for example, interpretations of "generation." Each new "revision" is contrary to the previous interpretation. So they are all contradictory to each other.
I am not interested in other religions, because all religions are the same. They want to have power over people. The conversation about this religion stems from only one fact. I used to be a member of this religion. I'm not anymore. This is just a part of mental / spiritual gymnastics, then certain types of loneliness and lack of interest in socializing with people who have a different history. There are probably some other reasons, but who will understand all this :).

Oh Dimmy, Billy, Allen, you make yourself look so stupid. You twist people's words and you think no one will notice it.
Note Screko says 'cannot act on the physical world'   BUT Dimmy says 
"and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies? "
We can all see the twisting of words and meanings here. 
Srecko is talking about Satan not taking physical action, BUT Dimmy twists it to mean not having 'spritual or mental influence'. 
Dimmy, you are nothing but a trouble maker, BUT you do it in a funy way
 Keep trying Dimmy, you may become a comedienne one day. 
 

Um, so when did God make you the judge then ?  Did God make you an angel to give judgement ? 

WTJWorg have contradictory statements, not me.  Please, read quotes from WT magazines provided in previous comments, of which I used just one quote to show discrepancy and contradiction.

Here is another strange thought. They say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?
quote continue: , but he will use human agencies to do his deeds.
Such a statement nullifies any possibility that Jesus and the angels will execute a "final judgment" on "evil men" aka "goats." According to Bible interpretations of WTJWorg Jesus and angels are "spiritual creatures" too, and they as such also belongs to ..... as a spirit creature/s, he/they cannot carry out his/their attack directly .....
The WT text suggests that spiritual forces (evil and good) actually influence people to perform some action for the benefit of the spirit world. So let's put it this way; satan and demons will inspire one evil group of people against another evil group of people to destroy each other. For what purpose? How would only JW members remain? Who then will attack the JW, because that is how the JW preaches? Gog from Magog, say JW. But Gog of Magog are united evil people / nations (human agencies, as they named them) ..... who have already destroyed each other.  Even before the "last attack" on JW.
Moreover, if according to such an interpretation, angels cannot physically act on the literal world, then they never could, so the biblical accounts of such events in the past are fiction.
Therefore, this "outdated" interpretation of Gog and Magog also promotes another idea/interpretation that has not been so pronounced so far, at least not visible to me, in which they claims; "Angels are not able to physically act on people."
Picture and quote, for example this one, is contradiction then.

Jesus and his heavenly army will soon ride into the war of Armageddon to destroy God’s enemies! (See paragraph 17)
- https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2019/stay-faithful-through-great-tribulation/

Here is another strange thought. They say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?
quote continue: , but he will use human agencies to do his deeds.
Such a statement nullifies any possibility that Jesus and the angels will execute a "final judgment" on "evil men" aka "goats." According to Bible interpretations of WTJWorg Jesus and angels are "spiritual creatures" too, and they as such also belongs to ..... as a spirit creature/s, he/they cannot carry out his/their attack directly .....
The WT text suggests that spiritual forces (evil and good) actually influence people to perform some action for the benefit of the spirit world. So let's put it this way; satan and demons will inspire one evil group of people against another evil group of people to destroy each other. For what purpose? How would only JW members remain? Who then will attack the JW, because that is how the JW preaches? Gog from Magog, say JW. But Gog of Magog are united evil people / nations (human agencies, as they named them) ..... who have already destroyed each other.  Even before the "last attack" on JW.
Moreover, if according to such an interpretation, angels cannot physically act on the literal world, then they never could, so the biblical accounts of such events in the past are fiction.
Therefore, this "outdated" interpretation of Gog and Magog also promotes another idea/interpretation that has not been so pronounced so far, at least not visible to me, in which they claims; "Angels are not able to physically act on people."
Picture and quote, for example this one, is contradiction then.

Jesus and his heavenly army will soon ride into the war of Armageddon to destroy God’s enemies! (See paragraph 17)
- https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2019/stay-faithful-through-great-tribulation/

"Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler. Whom, then, does Gog symbolize?   It is evident now that Gog is a figure prophetic of the ruler of all seven demon princes, namely, Satan the Devil." w53 10/1 p. 583
"However, recent Bible investigation has proved that Gog of Magog is a prophetic symbol of the false god of this world, Satan the Devil, when making his final attack upon the Christian witnesses of God’s kingdom of heaven."  w60 4/15 p. 243
"Gog is “the ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil. He received the name Gog after his ouster from heaven, following the Kingdom’s birth in 1914. (John 12:31) “The land of Magog” is the location to which Gog and his demons are confined in the vicinity of the earth. w88 9/15 p. 24-25"
"Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased position since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but he will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be."  w03 6/1 p. 20-21
"When we compare all these Bible references about the final attack on God’s people, it is clear that the name Gog of Magog does not refer to Satan. Instead, Gog of Magog refers to a group of nations. ws15 5/15 p. 27-28
Although it was proven by "Bible investigation" that Gog is Satan and Magog IS the location where Gog and his demons are confined on the earth (!), the leadership of the organization was preaching a falsehood, for over 70 years.  NOW, it is evidently  CLEAR  that Gog of Magog DOES NOT REFER TO SATAN.
Will any teaching by the Watchtower be proven as clear and truthful?  Think about it, JWs.  If this organization was blessed by God's Holy Spirit, would that Spirit mislead its leaders into telling a falsehood for over seventy years?  It was once proven that Gog was Satan; will it be proven in ten year's time that what was once CLEAR TRUTH about "Gog" now being a coalition of nation, will be found to be a falsehood?  
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."  John 16:13
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

BUT,
True Christians would NOT tell lies pretending to know when Armageddon is going to happen.
True Christians would NOT insult and degrade the True Anointed ones.
True Christians would NOT hide Pedophiles in their organization.
True Christians would NOT cast out Victims of Child Sexual Abuse, nor call those children liars.
True Christians would NOT allow people to become collateral damage within their Organization, just to keep the outside of that Org looking 'nice' and 'clean'.
In fact, True Christians wound NOT be Jehovah's Witnesses. 
 
 

Can you provide proof from God's word?
The Beast from the Sea and the “scarlet colored beast” are the same beast. 
Then he carried me away in the Spirit to a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.  Rev 17:3
Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.  Rev 13:1
The scarlet color represents sins.  The spiritual Harlot/false prophet/Beast from the earth are the same identity.  The Harlot who is "sitting" ("exercises all the authority") on the Beast, wears scarlet.  Rev 13:11,12; Rev 17:3,4.
"Come, let us settle this," says the LORD. "Though your sins are scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are crimson red, they will be like wool.  Isa 1:18
“And you, devastated one, what are you doing that you dress yourself in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with gold jewelry, that you enhance your eyes with makeup? You beautify yourself for nothing. Your lovers reject you; they intend to take your life.”  Jer 4:30
The “image” that is formed, is “spirit-breathed”. (Rev 13:15) So, have the world’s religions “breathed” spirit into the UN, leading the world to worship the UN, or W.H.O.?  No!  You forget that the focal point of the scriptures have been on God’s people under covenant who are regularly led astray by sin, false prophets, and idolatry, leading to God’s people falling into spiritual harlotry. (Hos 4:12; 6:10 - "Jehovah's spirit-directed organization" - an idol)
To believe that the organization is exempt from God’s wrath is pure, blind foolishness.  In the light of false predictions, ever changing doctrine and assumed authority over God's anointed, the organization and its leaders will face the wrath of God.  (Rev 13:4-8; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 19:20)
 
 
 
 
 

If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21

Daniel told us of four beasts to arise against God’s holy people. (Dan 7:3)  The last one is “different” from all the rest, which were political nations. (Dan 7:7)
  Different!! It works with DECEIT against the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. (Rev13:14;19:20; 12:17)  The organization has lumped together all the political powers part of the UN, saying that it is the Beast of Rev 13:1,2, and somehow the world’s religions are directing the UN.
This Beast IS religious, directed by a false prophet that serves spiritual food to those who are part of it. (Rev 13:11-13)   It “makes war” with the holy people, the anointed, the “saints”. It overcomes (subdues, conquers) the saints.  (Rev 13:7)   They are taken captive.  (Luke 21:24; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  THEY are the target of the Beast which has been given power from Satan.  (Rev 13:2) 
No one worships the UN.  (Rev 13:4)
No one is killed for not worshiping the UN. (Rev 13:15) 
Have any JWs been killed for not worshiping the UN?
Have anointed saints been selected from the JW population to be “killed” for not worshiping the UN?
Is the UN spirit-directed? (Rev 13:15)
Because the Beast is the “man of lawlessness”, this Beast “tramples” the holy ones, anointed, “saints”.  Has the UN trampled the anointed? (2 Thess 2:3,4,9,10; Rev 11:1,2;13:18)
Have the world’s religions directed the UN to “kill” anyone who doesn’t identify with it? (Rev 13:15,16)
Do the world’s religions “exercise all authority” over the political entities of the UN?  (Rev 13:12)
It is your organization, which is a different Beast from all that Daniel mentioned. It has trampled the saints, abolished the “daily sacrifice” that God’s priesthood must maintain, and a wicked slave and an elder body have assumed full authority over the anointed. (Dan 8:11-13; 1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15) The Beast has been allowed by the governing body,(Rev 13:11,12) to desecrate the “holy place” by replacing God’s priests WITH ELDERS NOT ANOINTED. (Ezek 44:6-9; Mark 13:14) 
There is only one “holy place” that the scriptures speak of.   (Exod 28:29; Lev 6:26; Isa 57:15)  
It is not found in Christendom. 
It is not found at the UN. 
 It is the sanctuary/Temple of which the anointed are “living stones” of. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
And that is what is being “blasphemed” by the Beast from the Sea – which has emerged from the “sea” of the wicked. (Isa 57:20)
Isn't it true that the only spiritual food that is available, and that can be “bought” with the servitude of a JW, is what the governing leaders/false prophets and their “helpers” produce?  (Rev 13:17)  No other spiritual food offered by an anointed priest, is even considered.  (Matt 24:48-51)
 “New light” given to you by your GB, tells us that apparently ALL the anointed will be in heaven before Armageddon breaks out!  Wow, so how does the Beast “make war” with the saints if they are in heaven? When will they be captured? How will they be conquered?  When will they worship the Beast?   How can it “kill” (disfellowship) those who give testimony of Christ, and for rejecting the identity of the Beast/organization? (Rev 11:7; 6:9) I thought that the “coalition of nations” appeared DURING Armageddon.  Is this warring coalition a different warring machine than the Beast  who “makes war with the saints”?  How many wars using deceit are predicted to come upon the unsealed anointed?  ONE, where the players against Christ’s “kings”, (Rev 1:5; 16:13-16; Rev 17:18) bear many descriptions through symbolic illustrations.  (Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-5; Rev 13:1,2,11,12; Rev 17:1,5,15; 20:7-9)
If JWs only knew how many exjws can easily now see the idolatry that is rife in the organization. (Dan 11:36-38; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) The Beast/Watchtower/organization is the idol, whose “image” as spirit-directed, must be worshiped. (Rev 13:15)  JWs believe that without siding with, accepting the identity – MARK –of this organization, they will not receive salvation. (“who is like the Beast, who is able to make war with him?” Rev 13:4) And any in the organization that rejects it, is disfellowshipped – spiritually considered DEAD/KILLED.  (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
There is total confusion in the Wt teachings, and yours.  You believe in focusing on the earthly things, contrary to what the scriptures tell us. This is a spiritual war, already at work in the organization between anointed ones and powers of the spirit realm. (Eph 6:10-13)  As far as the signs Jesus gave us in Matt 24 which JWs say are literal and not spiritual, Jesus also said, “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”  (Luke 21:36)
Can anyone escape a literal earthquake?  Matt 24:7
Did JWs do a good job through prayer, of escaping Covid?  A. Morris said this is what the GB had been waiting for, another literal sign of the last days being fulfilled. Yet, how many JWs died of Covid?  How many contracted Covid?  Were the JWs who suffered, not counted worthy to escape “all these things”? 
And JWs already suffer a spiritual famine by remaining under a wicked slave/spiritual Harlot who has poisoned the waters of truth. They are recycling/regurgitating old articles with updated illustrations.   (Jer 9:13-16; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8) (Amos 8:11; Isa 28:7,8)
"For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things."  Phil 3:18,19
 
Wormwood/The False Prophet/Armageddon
 
 

My work tablet has too much auto correct. 
 
There was a case in California a few years back. A family had left the jw's, elders kept showing up wanting to speak to their 14 year old daughter alone The parents kept refusing, then one time the elders waited for both the parents to leave and they tried talking to the girl, but didn't realize the door bell cam they had installed. Eventually they were able to replace a restraining order against the elders and the watchtower.

I'd be more concerned about the robots that China is now using. The unmanned ones that are carrying machine guns.
Robot warfare is here. 

Some of these words may sound familiar.  Although you already know where I stand, maybe others need to hear.  I suppose in that sense, the time is not wasted.  
Did the apostles develop an organization founded in the world of commerce, religion and politics, to accomplish God's will?  We have no record of such a thing in the scriptures.  We have individuals directly being motivated by the Spirit.  (Acts 8:29,39;13:2,4; 16:6)
This so-called "earthly Zion" requires earthly treasures to be procured and utilized, to spiritually house people; people deceived into believing they are whole-souled in their devotion to God. (Matt 6:19-21)  This demonic brainchild attracts the “saints”, by using scripturally sound offerings of Christ’s truth, as bait for the hook.  (Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:4)  They are invited, welcomed, and told to watch God’s plan in action, as He uses an organization founded in the world of commerce, religion and politics, to accomplish His will.  The saints, God’s priests of “Israel”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) gradually become residents in name only, because their time to “rule” will not occur until the Kingdom arrives, or so the leaders of this ingenious plan tell them. Rom 15:15,16 shows an active priesthood, but today we witness a languishing anointed priesthood.  (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) (1 Thess 5:3; Rev 3:1-3,14-22)  They have been consumed by a tally of millions who have joined what is now, a necessary “evil”.  There is nothing wrong with people gathering with anointed ones. It is happening on the other side of the WT fence, never to be organized by man’s will.  What is wrong with the organization, is its leader’s dismissal of God’s priests gradually, over time. (Ezek 44:6-9)
 So, God apparently uses earthly treasures under Satan’s control, to carry out His will, but does not use His chosen people to facilitate "pure worship' – a priesthood under their High Priest, Jesus Christ. (Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10)  In this scheme, even Christ appears to have chosen others to serve him – “Gentile” elders, who are said to “represent” God’s priesthood.  Truly, this is out of harmony with the spirit of the divine plan.  
Earthly treasures build an earthly organization, which needs men with natural instincts, to  appoint men with the same innate desires. (1 Cor 2:10-14)  Do they keep the organization up and running, to administer teachings about God? Or, is it to administer teachings about an organization? (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,15)  When it is viewed in this light, why would God use His appointed priestly members of His heavenly Temple to fulfill their role as priests, in an organization advancing in the “kingdom” of Satan?  
 
"Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”  2 Cor 6:14-16
This is a comment made recently by a JW on reddit:
"I had a conversation with an elder about things we're asked to follow without scriptural basis. He said forget about the bible, do you believe in God's organization? My jaw dropped and I looked him in the eye and said 'my brother, we believe in God, Jesus and the Bible, not man made rules. The Bible is the basis of all our beliefs, not men. You shocked me asking me to put the bible aside and believe in an organization? You are unbelievable.' I was stunned."
Looks like that is what it has come down to.  Pure idolatry to a "mountain-like organization".  (Dan 11:36-39)
Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
The only organization that God recognizes, is the one trampled by the man of lawlessness/elder body. (2 Thess 2:3,4)  If anyone can discern what has happened to God's Temple priesthood, they are to FLEE the organization. (Dan 8:10-14; Mal 3:1-3; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14-20; Rev 18:4-8)
YHVH'S Genuine Organization
 
 
 
 

I think we both know how this happened.
Allen, what's with all the questions?  Do you have me on a witness stand in a courtroom?  We both know the answer to this also.  
 

As far as I know I’ve never tried to defend the undefendable……which all religions are guilty of…yes as well as us….your blind to deep understandings serko ..and ones like you….it’s right there for you to read but you have to have insight…you have deceived yourself into thinking you are awake…and you genuinely believe what you feel ….like a sheep that has wandered into the wilderness only to be devoured by the beasts. 
where I did Joshua run to…where did Kaleb run to…did they run out and away from Gods people….
No..and they didn’t beat their fellow brothers and sisters either…they stood back…and waited for Moses ( Jesus ) to come back and clean the mess up..which he did.
What the likes of you are doing is presumptuous…you think you can do the job that only Jesus can do….even the apostles never showed such self righteousness and presumptuousness as you are.
When Jesus cleaned up the temple with a whip …did they step up with him and help him….no…because they had no right to….yet you think you are needed to straighten Us all out….
Gods people have always disappointed him down thru the ages..and he always disciplined them and corrected them….it’s not your job nor anyone else’s right   to do that.
what you are doing is what Jehovah HATES…and that is to cause divisions and doubts and to weaken one’s faith even in the creator…..how many have left the org and gone on to become atheists…or gone back to BTG…to the belief of the trinity and idol  worship…..heaps sereko…
Have you ever asked yourself if you have been guilty of extinguishing someone’s flickering flame …and been guilty of killing some one’s faith of entirely ….you want to be careful..because some one is watching the damage you do…and yes watching the damage we do….we all will be accountable..
Do I feel sad…..you bet!..I’ve had a lot of reasons to feel genuine righteous anger…but I don’t beat those around me who lack the insight I have had to dig deep to understand as to why such things happen…
Your bitterness is your undoing…and until you master it…you will never get such insight as to why Jehovah allows the wrongs he does.
YOU…are the one that was afraid of man…and others like you here…you bowed to their errors…..they broke you…because you don’t really know Jehovah and how he works and why he does certain things.
YOU let them change you serko…..and you don’t even know the woe you are bringing on your own head because of what you and others here are trying to do.
Your so full of self righteousness that you accuse us of…
Moses is not the type of the GB..nor Arron of the helpers….
When some one stumbles serko….we pick them up…we carry them…we don’t beat them and endanger their faith…your ignorance is bathed in bitterness and blindness…..so therefore you cannot and will not ever see the pattern laid down of Gods people since their existence….nor how Jehovah deals with them.
 

Which doctrine is worse - believing in the trinity, or believing in the Great Pyramid of Giza as the "God's Stone Witness"... or believing that the generation of anointed who could somehow conceptualize the "birth" of the kingdom in 1914, would be a generation that never passed away...or believing that Armageddon would arrive in 1975 (and the many dates before that)?
Which lie, is worse?  Because they are all lies.  Does a lie soften its intent to mislead, if it said by leaders of "Jehovah's organization"?
Lies, are what cause divisions.  Luke 12:51-53  Jesus never told us to tolerate the lying doctrines of men.  It cannot be dismissed that each teaching I mentioned, fall under the category of doctrines of men.   To the Pharisees whom Jesus directed the words of Matt 15:7-9 to, he finally told them, "your house is abandoned to you", in Luke 13:35.  He didn't tolerate the lies and doctrine of men in those days, and neither did his disciples.  So why would a JW believe he would today?  False prophets are influenced by powerful demonic spirits, and able to influence "many" to believe them.     Matt 7:15-20; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Pet 2:2
Babylon the Great - a promise -  is where lies are told.  Isa 28:14,15; Rev 18:4-8
"This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth."  Jer 23:16
"Leave Babylon; save your lives, each of you! Don’t perish because of her guilt. For this is the time of the Lord’s vengeance— he will pay her what she deserves."   Jer 51:6
The one who stays quiet in the organization, knowing its leadership have deceived the flock with untruths, is afraid of men.  
Put no more trust in a mere human,
who has only the breath in his nostrils.
What is he really worth?  Isa 2:22

How does the Almighty God work?  He abandons His people when they sin - when they listen to false prophets who prophesy illusions.  He abandons them when they become idolaters, investing time and energy into idols such as "organization".  They suffer for their hard-heartedness.  If they call out wanting to know TRUTH  - the truth about the lie they were living under, He hears them and acts to rescue them from the enemies that God allowed to overcome them.  (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; Rev 13:5-7,10,15;16:13-16)
This is how God works.  He expects His people to repent of their sins.  This is why He does certain things, but because He never changes, He will never tolerate a people who follow the teachings of false teachers/false prophets, and who say they represent Jesus Christ - HIS SON, WHO IS TRUTH.  (John 14:6)   That is why leaving the organization is vital to one's salvation.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12)

I just realized how i comment about this topic on another topic about same issue. Let me copy/paste the same comment.
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Suicide in the ancient world did not carry the same negative connotations as it does today. Even bible text nowhere said how suicide is a sin or forbidden by Law. The biblical attitude toward suicide ranges from ambivalence to praise. Never made Judgmental statement against those who done that act of self-destruction. 
-Abimelech came to the tower, and fought against it, and came near to the entrance of the tower to burn it with fire. But a certain woman threw an upper millstone on Abimelech's head, and crushed his skull. Immediately he called to the young man who carried his armor and said to him, “Draw your sword and kill me, so people will not say about me, ‘A woman killed him.’ ” So the young man thrust him through, and he died.
-the counselor Ahithophel hanged himself                                                                                                                                                                                            When Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and went off home to his own city. He set his house in order, and hanged himself; he died and was buried in the tomb of his father.
-Zimri, King of Israel, burned down his house around himself after military defeat.                                                                                                            When Zimri saw that the city was taken, he went into the citadel of the royal palace and set the palace on fire around him. So he died,
-Saul and his armor-bearer                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Then Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, so that these uncircumcised may not come and make sport of me. But his armor-bearer was unwilling, for he was terrified. So Saul took his own sword and fell on it. When his armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died. Thus Saul died; he and his three sons and all his house died together
-Samson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Then Samson prayed to the Lord,“Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.... Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived.
-even Judas suicide is an act of remorse, deep regret. According to JW elders instruction, he gave visible, strong signs of repentance :))      When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood
 

I just realized how i comment about this topic on another topic about same issue. Let me copy/paste the same comment.
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Suicide in the ancient world did not carry the same negative connotations as it does today. Even bible text nowhere said how suicide is a sin or forbidden by Law. The biblical attitude toward suicide ranges from ambivalence to praise. Never made Judgmental statement against those who done that act of self-destruction. 
-Abimelech came to the tower, and fought against it, and came near to the entrance of the tower to burn it with fire. But a certain woman threw an upper millstone on Abimelech's head, and crushed his skull. Immediately he called to the young man who carried his armor and said to him, “Draw your sword and kill me, so people will not say about me, ‘A woman killed him.’ ” So the young man thrust him through, and he died.
-the counselor Ahithophel hanged himself                                                                                                                                                                                            When Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and went off home to his own city. He set his house in order, and hanged himself; he died and was buried in the tomb of his father.
-Zimri, King of Israel, burned down his house around himself after military defeat.                                                                                                            When Zimri saw that the city was taken, he went into the citadel of the royal palace and set the palace on fire around him. So he died,
-Saul and his armor-bearer                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Then Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, so that these uncircumcised may not come and make sport of me. But his armor-bearer was unwilling, for he was terrified. So Saul took his own sword and fell on it. When his armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died. Thus Saul died; he and his three sons and all his house died together
-Samson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Then Samson prayed to the Lord,“Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.... Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived.
-even Judas suicide is an act of remorse, deep regret. According to JW elders instruction, he gave visible, strong signs of repentance :))      When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood
 

Simple answer, It is in Scripture.  Matthew 7 : 15 - 17
Berean Study Bible
Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Deuteronomy 18:22 
Berean Study Bible
When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
From the time of Russell the Leaders have thought they are the 'Faithful and Discreet Salve'. They have thought they were giving the 'proper food at the proper time'.  But the food they were giving was LIES. The scripture above proves it. 
The Scriptures judge the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses. 
Therefore I am not placing myself above Christ. 
But, as I've been told before on here, there is no one in the JW Org above the GB. No one in the JW Org can get the GB to confess or repent. No JWs can remove the whole GB from that Org.
So the Org contiues to dominated by a Wicked Slave thet beats their fellow slaves. 

I just realized how i comment about this topic on another topic about same issue. Let me copy/paste the same comment.
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Suicide in the ancient world did not carry the same negative connotations as it does today. Even bible text nowhere said how suicide is a sin or forbidden by Law. The biblical attitude toward suicide ranges from ambivalence to praise. Never made Judgmental statement against those who done that act of self-destruction. 
-Abimelech came to the tower, and fought against it, and came near to the entrance of the tower to burn it with fire. But a certain woman threw an upper millstone on Abimelech's head, and crushed his skull. Immediately he called to the young man who carried his armor and said to him, “Draw your sword and kill me, so people will not say about me, ‘A woman killed him.’ ” So the young man thrust him through, and he died.
-the counselor Ahithophel hanged himself                                                                                                                                                                                            When Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and went off home to his own city. He set his house in order, and hanged himself; he died and was buried in the tomb of his father.
-Zimri, King of Israel, burned down his house around himself after military defeat.                                                                                                            When Zimri saw that the city was taken, he went into the citadel of the royal palace and set the palace on fire around him. So he died,
-Saul and his armor-bearer                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Then Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, so that these uncircumcised may not come and make sport of me. But his armor-bearer was unwilling, for he was terrified. So Saul took his own sword and fell on it. When his armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died. Thus Saul died; he and his three sons and all his house died together
-Samson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Then Samson prayed to the Lord,“Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.... Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived.
-even Judas suicide is an act of remorse, deep regret. According to JW elders instruction, he gave visible, strong signs of repentance :))      When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood
 

So true. It's hard to imagine what kind of "spirituality" can live alongside certain kinds of sin and certain kinds of personalities.
Most people go into the various Bethel branches, at about age 19 and 20, rather naively, and usually just a few short years after their baptism and with an average of more than a year of pioneering.  The statistics favored those who were 'raised in the truth' rather than recent converts. One of the first things we were told, jokingly by Brother Couch and Brother Sydlik in the "welcome speech' is that Bethelites were divided into two groups, "Newbies" and "BAs" (those with a "Bad Attitude). Then we were reminded that this wasn't a joke by Bethelites who had already been there a year or two. The direct implication was that it didn't take long before we would all become jaded.
I went in on the cusp of a changeover from a 4-year commitment to just a 1-year commitment. Those who were serving out the last year or so of a 4-year commitment were supposed to be the worst BAs (although with the changeover, there was no stigma to a 2 or 3 year Bethelite leaving early, as there had been previously). If you went home early prior to that, it was considered the same as a dishonorable discharge from the army. And worse than that, there had just been a dismissal of 50 or more (all at one time) who had been accused of homosexuality. It was right after that that the 1-year commitment was offered, but no one wanted to leave early in the midst of that, for fear of what the congregation back home might think.
On the first day I got to Bethel, my temporary roommate stole a couple hundred dollars from me, as he was just going back home after 4 years. On my last day of Bethel, I discovered that my storage locker, unused for several years, had been broken into and my valuables had been stolen. I never thought to check my storage locker even though Brother Knorr made at least a weekly announcement of Bethelites dismissed for theft over a period of several months.
But all this was very easy to ignore, by just putting your nose to the grindstone and staying busy. As TTH reminds us, it's dirt among diamonds. I found diamonds by the dozen, and would have never focused on the dirt. And of course every diamond itself has imperfections, too. I could not have asked for better assignments at Bethel. I didn't deserve any of them, and I loved it every single day. Even those dark days of 1980 that seemed surreal, didn't change my resolve to continue to just try to be the kind of person who was like those whom I liked to be around. 
As I got a little older I realized that part of helping others stay grounded is to stop keeping everything to myself, and just admit the faults we've lived through. And I think that we can help others even by admitting the specifics (up to a point). The reason is that others who have gone through something unexpected might never guess that others have gone through something similar. It might give them a bit of relief that they are not going crazy or being singled out for mistreatment or just to know that others really can sympathize.
There is always an element of concern over the fact that some are stumbled by dirty laundry, but that's why I've mentioned before that a semi-anonymous discussion forum (for me) is a much better choice than trying to sympathize in the congregation setting. Many of those who are hurt by mistreatment from those they trusted have clearly turned to discussion forums like this one. (Actually, I saw several of that sort on a bigger discussion forum and was terrified for them that they were being eaten alive by a a lot of unruly ex-JWs, proud to call themselves "apostates.")
Rather than fight the noise on that larger forum, I ran across this one, and think, so far, that it has a fair balance, and that even ex-JW and non-JW "opposing" voices are fairly good at self-moderating here. Someday, this forum will probably no longer meet the same standards it meets now and I'll either go back to silence, or go looking around for another outlet. Many won't agree, but I think that sharing openly and honestly is a loving thing to do for those who might be looking for a sympathetic or empathetic ear. That goes for those concerned about issues of justice and issues of doctrine and healthful teaching. I think this is why the Bible reveals the flaws, even of people at the highest levels of responsibility. (Noah, Moses, Jephthah, Saul, David, Solomon, . . . Paul, Peter, James, and John).
I'm sure some are annoyed that not everyone here spends 100% of their time encouraging loyalty to all the long-standing traditions, and bureaucratic processes. Some apparently only want to encourage complete obedience to any and all suggestions from the Governing Body and apparently think anything less is some kind of apostasy. We have congregations for that kind of encouragement. We have meetings where we specifically study the current thinking of the Governing Body and support it through prepared questions and answers and reading of published material. The congregation is no place for open questioning of current doctrines and procedures.
Well put!