Srecko Sostar

One Srecko is one too many.

I remember that. It was pretty funny. I always got the impression that the first thing you must always type in any response is the term "that being said" and then you work your post before and after that expression, just to make sure it's in there. But then again, you probably already know that there is another person, not nearly so active, who has never used that particular expression here, but who has used at least half a dozen other terms and definitions that would otherwise have been mostly unique to you.

I do not deny being John Butler. But I've no idea about the JB1 

At first I felt weird that someone called Srećko a noisy person. But he calls himself to be noisy, not me. Because he could use the name Noisy Tom, for example. That wouldn’t bother me, hahaha.
So let him call himself whatever he wants. There is no insult to anyone.
This explains what he mean about self and his position, role at this forum club.
Some in America would say, the show must go on.

You might want to get your facts straight.  I have never "denounced" YHVH/YHWH.  I use it frequently.  And I have never denounced "Adonai", or "Abba", or the "Ancient of Days", or "Elohim".  It is not blasphemy to say the "Almighty God", or "Father" as Jesus did.  In fact your own bible uses the phrase "Almighty God".   If you think one is righteous for uttering the name "Jehovah", I feel very sorry for you.  
 

So it seems that SM is against even watching world events on MSM. He is against being able to quickly see countries that have floods, volcanos, eathquakes, wars, et al. 
Perhaps SM wants to control people's minds. Perhaps he think he is the only one that has true information. 
For everyone that mentions any world news, it seesm SM know more or better. SM is a Truther. Is it only them that know truth ?  I don't think so SM. 
I'm not interested in 'left' or 'right' wing. I'm not interested in what people want to call other people or compare other people to. It just seems so childish that you have to A, group people together, B, compare people to villians. 
Can you not just see each person as an individual ?  Each of us here. Do you need to compare us to others ? 
I am an individual. I have no interest in politics. I am not right or left wing. I do not support any type of wordly government.
But i know you will continue to compare me to others, because it seems that is all you can do. 
 

The first record of organized taxation comes from Egypt around 3000 B.C., and is mentioned in numerous historical sources including the Bible. ...(internet source).
Christian ideology/doctrine supports the tax system of the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus and the apostles, as can be seen from biblical quotations.
But, what this have with @ By Isabella's  topic? 

What is capitalism without communism, and vice versa? Both ideologies need their own enemy. And they found it in the other one.
Some say that Jesus was the “first communist” because he aspired to general equality (“you are all brothers”) and the abolition of all ideologies that oppress the weaker. 
As i understand "christian ideology", presented by WTJWorg and JW elders, they think how both ideologies, communism and capitalism are enemies of God and True Christianity aka JW members. So, in their eyes they are equal. 
Again, both ideologies need own enemy to feed their "bellies" and to seduce people. Similar as with religions. 
 

What is capitalism without communism, and vice versa? Both ideologies need their own enemy. And they found it in the other one.
Some say that Jesus was the “first communist” because he aspired to general equality (“you are all brothers”) and the abolition of all ideologies that oppress the weaker. 
As i understand "christian ideology", presented by WTJWorg and JW elders, they think how both ideologies, communism and capitalism are enemies of God and True Christianity aka JW members. So, in their eyes they are equal. 
Again, both ideologies need own enemy to feed their "bellies" and to seduce people. Similar as with religions. 
 

The first record of organized taxation comes from Egypt around 3000 B.C., and is mentioned in numerous historical sources including the Bible. ...(internet source).
Christian ideology/doctrine supports the tax system of the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus and the apostles, as can be seen from biblical quotations.
But, what this have with @ By Isabella's  topic? 

I didn't want to hijack another thread that was already going way off the topic so I'll start this one. 
In Jesus time, what was the political environment at the time? The Romans socialist, jews capitalist?

You are not understanding.
Therefore you pray in this way:
“Our Father who is in heaven,
may Your name be treated as holy.”  Matt 6:9
Jesus and his disciples never used a word that is a mix of consonants and vowels put together by men, as a way to show respect to the Father. The use of that hybrid didn’t happen for centuries later.  Does this mean that the Christians in the first century were “disrespectful” for not saying, “Jehovah”?
You can say, “Jehovah” a hundred times a day and it proves nothing.  It does not prove that you respect the name of God.  It does not prove that God is your Father, especially if you follow the doctrines of men.
To treat God’s name as holy means respecting and adhering to His laws in Jesus Christ.  In the Kingdom, the faithful anointed who will rule with Jesus  will have “on their forehead”, the name of God and of Jesus.  Do you believe this is a literal tattoo on their forehead?  Do you believe they will be verbalizing the name, “Jehovah”, or does this meaning of Rev 14:1, go deeper?
“And you shall put these, My words, on your heart and on your inner self, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand and let them be as an emblem between your eyes. And you shall teach them to your children by talking about them when you sit in your house and when you travel on the road and when you lie down and when you get up.”  Deut 11:18,19
For this is the covenant that I will decree with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I am putting My laws in their minds and I will write them on their hearts, and I will be their God and they will be my people.  Heb 8:10
We are respectful of the holy name of God, by our choice to follow only His laws in Christ, that those laws only, are holy. (Matt 6:9)  Since your leaders change doctrine regularly to accommodate their reign, riches, and reputation, they show no respect for the teachings of Jesus Christ, and they show no respect for the Almighty God. They demand their laws, the laws of men,  to be written on one’s forehead; symbolically, in the heart and mind of JWs. (Rev 13:11,12,14,16,17; Matt chapter 23)
 
 

Quote from the 2016/1/24 Wt. magazine, pp. 22-27:
“In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.”  Wt 16/1/24, pp. 22-27
The above is a sarcastic example of spiritual, emotional and mental abuse used to devour the anointed in the organization. (Ps 73:8; Ezek 36:6,7; Isa 3:12-15;  Zeph 2:8; Dan 11:31,36; Rev 9:1-4; 13:5-7)
Their use of Gal 1:15-17, is quite hypocritical, since it is required that the “preaching work” by JWs follow the strict mandate of the governing body and their army of elders, who “bond” together, and who consult with one another, several times weekly. (Rev 2:20; 13:11,12,16,17)  These scriptures actually help prove that there was not an organization with a governing body in the first century, that Paul felt he had to answer to. 
Paul; a prophet, a teacher, a leader, a priest. was sent by Christ to instruct those called as priests out of the Jewish and Gentiles nations, of their spiritual obligation to one another in the house of God. (Acts 9:15; Rom 15:14-19; Eph 3:6,8)  He, with Jesus Christ and all of the apostles, laid the foundation of truth – a foundation built with faithful “living stones” of God’s anointed priesthood.   (1 Pet 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:10; Eph 2:20-22)
 
 Ephesians chapter 4:
“Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
1 Corinthians chapter 12:
“Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 
 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
Incredibly, God’s word completely contradicts the words of the magazine.  What hold more weight in the mind of a JW, the doctrine of men who cannot tolerate any threat to their rule, or the words of God?
“Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and do not greet him; 11 for the one who greets him shares in his evil works.”  1 John 2:9-11
We are in the middle of a war of words, spoken by the sons of the kingdom, and sons of the wicked one. (Joel 3:14; Mal 3:18; Matt 13:38-43)  Lies promoted by false teachers/prophets harbor the demonic intent to “deceive the elect”. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 9:13:10, 5-7)   
This war against the “saints” is “inhouse”, not on the political battlefield of the world. (Luke 17:20) It is where a great army of “Gentile” elders have overcome a spiritual people – God’s priests of “Israel” -  with a “flood” of lies.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1,2;1 Cor 3:16;17; Rev 12:15; 16:13-16)
 How many times as a JW did we hear…
“Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”  1 Pet 5:8
He seeks to trample and devour the “kings of the earth”, (Rev 1:5; 16:14; 20:7-9) and although the anointed believe Satan is in the wicked world outside of the organization, outside of their “spiritual paradise” and “peace and security” (1 Thess 5:3),  Proverbs gives us a better perspective.
The lazy person claims, “There is a lion in the road!
    There’s a lion in the streets!”
14 The door turns on its hinges—
    as does the lazy person on his bed.    Prov 26:13,14
 
Anointed "Priests" and prophets must warn people according to God's truth...for their protection, awareness, and vigilance to present danger (Jer 28:8; Ezek 3:4,18; Mal 2:7; Dan 12:3,10; Matt 24:45).

The war is not over yet! (Rev 12:17; Eph 6:12; 2 Cor 2:9; 11:3; 10:4-6; Matt 24:13,11,10; 10:22; Luke 13:24) 
Any "walls" erected by men, to keep Satan out are an illusion...as long as he still dominates the world (1 John 5:19; Eph 5:15,16). Our only true protection is the meaning of YHWH's name (Prov 18:10) which is that HE is our only saviour (Isa 43:11; 2:22; Rev 14:7; Ps 146:3; 118:8).
 We must have faith and trust in HIM and the truth of His Word, (not the doctrines of a human organization -Jer 17:5; 1 John 4:1; Mark 7:7,8), in order to possess a realistic spiritual shield (Eph 6:13,16).
The anointed are not protected from Satan's machinations by means of a membership in an organization, nor by obedience to it. (Rev 12:17; Luke 22:31; Rom 6:16; 1 Cor 7:23)
Pearl Doxsey
What's Wrong with "Peace and Security"?
 
 

I agree with you on this. If videos are aimed at me then the commenter has wasted their time as I don't watch the videos.
If a person cannot be bothered to put their thoughts into their own words then why should I bother to take note of a video.
 CSA = yes... Butler = yes.    warp your judgement = possibly but not mine  
Empathy, concern, love, worry, for others, yes. But to me that is the Christian way. 
Expectations of something better from an Organisation that says it is the only true way of serving God. 
Just watching MSN news online is depressingly upsetting. So many countries, so many promlems, so much suffering and death. Yes it proves that we need God / Christ to interviene soon. 
American ? I'll have to look into this one. It means nothing to an Englishman. 
You are entitled to your opinion that the GB are 'being used in extraodinary ways'. But the question is then, who is the GB being used by ?  
Quote "but I don't look at them as being in control because I don't believe they are."... So who authorises the 'Shepherding the Flock' book then ?  That is the rule book from the GB. Who writes the rules for baptism, the many many questions ?  Who decides what is a disfellowshipping offence and what is just a reproval ?  Who gives appoval for  the ministry slips / reports ?  Who decided that the Kingdom Halls no longer belong to the congregations ? Who decided that all money be certralised and that Kingdom Hall Congregations would not keep their own money ?  
And who is deciding not to release the full database of CSA accusations to the ' Superior Authorites ? 
The GB has total control. That is why they are called the Governing Body, because they govern / rule over the whole congregation earthwide. 
 
 

Their mountain will be leveled
“What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7
“Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.” Isa 40:4
that they took refuge in
“Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” Luke 23:30
which cannot save them
“Let’s see if your idols can save you when you cry to them for help. Why, a puff of wind can knock them down! If you just breathe on them, they fall over! But whoever trusts in me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain.” Isa 57:13

Isn't it amazing that they have to say that the man of lawlessness "sits" in a counterfeit temple, and is Christendom.  Do JWs check God's word to verify this?  NO! They keep gulping down the lie. THEY DON'T CARE.  How can "God's Temple", or "the temple of God" as 2 Thess 2:4 calls it, be defined as a counterfeit temple?  What does God think about that?   And what about Rev. 11:1,2?
"Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. [a]And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months".
These scripture reiterate that...
#1 - the "man of lawlessness" made up of "Gentiles",  "sits" in God's Temple
#2 - the "Gentile" times are NOT over
#3 - the Temple of God are the anointed priests and dwelling of His Holy Spirit. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
#4 - The only people or nation that can "sit" in the Temple of God, which the anointed priests are members of, are those who replaced them as priests, and those who can rule over them.  The elder body. 
Thus,
#5 - The elder body is the "man of lawlessness", "standing where it should not"  (Mark 13:14) If the "abomination that causes desolation", which is the "man of lawlessness", was standing/sitting in a counterfeit temple, would it matter where it was found? God wouldn't be interested in a counterfeit temple. What does that have to do with His people?   His focus is on His own dwelling in spirit, in the hearts of the anointed.  (2 Cor 6:16)
#6 -  The position of the elders as representing the priesthood "cannot be challenged".  Such an arrogant, high-sounding statement, isn't it!
“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
“The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. "  Dan 11:31,32,36
"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."  2 Thess 2:4
 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.  Rev 13:5-7
 
Elders, you need to get of there. You, and all JWs need to FLEE.  Matt 24:15,16.   I fear the day when blind JWs will have their eyes finally opened to the identity of the man of lawlessness.  
 
 
 
 

That totally nails the governing bodies attitude.

I’ve found tons are. It’s hard to reason with a broken soul that’s been ripped apart mentally by false predictions and false teachers. I have found though, Christ’s words paralleled with Paul’s comforting to some. Matthew 24:48-49 Jesus spoke of a wicked steward (a governing body), who Paul sternly spoke of a specific announcement from these men to not believe, that without a doubt will cause many to be stumbled. (Matthew 24:11)
It’s 1914. These men would lie saying the day of the lord arrived back then. These men would say the man of lawlessness sits in a counterfeit temple and is Christendom. It is the man of lawlessness who is in the organization and sits in judicial meetings disfellowshipping everyone who questions the governing bodies false predictions. Imagine that, asking questions will get you DF’d. This is without question going to cause many to be stumbled (Matthew 24:11).
2 Thessalonians 2: Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
"BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
Don’t be fooled by what they [the governing body] say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.“ 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
 

I would be interested in the interpretation of the JW member, you, what kind of "weapon" is this? 
Weapons in the form of persecution, imprisonment and killing?
Weapons in the form of a state's legislation?
Weapons in the form of doctrinal delusion?
Or something else?

I would be interested in the interpretation of the JW member, you, what kind of "weapon" is this? 
Weapons in the form of persecution, imprisonment and killing?
Weapons in the form of a state's legislation?
Weapons in the form of doctrinal delusion?
Or something else?

But this is ONLY for servants of Almighty God. NOT for servants of the GB of the Watchtower / JW Org. 
Enjoy misusing scripture whilst you can. 
Here's one that concerns you.  Matthew 7 : 21
 Berean Study Bible
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many pretend servants of God will be in for a very big shock. 

And you say that you are an Elder in one of the Jehovah's Witnesses congregation, is that true ? 
I've never said Almighty God has 'screwed up'.  But the leaders of the Watchtower and JW Org / CCJW et al, have certainly screwed up for the last 90 years. 
Having members with your attitude certainly shows how JW Elders feel about other people. 
Thank you. That comment of yours will look lovely on my 'beware of JW' Facebook page. It all helps to prove my point, that the Org cannot be trusted. 
 

I do not see your comment as an attempt to prove anything, but as a claim/statement that was directed against @Patiently waiting for Truthway of thinking and feeling.

I do not see your comment as an attempt to prove anything, but as a claim/statement that was directed against @Patiently waiting for Truthway of thinking and feeling.

Actually, the press is keeping it alive, the victims of Wt. abuse are keeping it alive.  This isn't something just from @Patiently waiting for Truth's past, it is happening and being reported almost on a weekly basis. No need to pick at scabs when the news is always refreshed.   Many people don't like stuff like this thrown up into their face, for a reason.  I suggest you get use to it.
And I was thinking how a sexual predator grooms his victim, sometimes over a period of years, as happened in my case. The victim comes to trust the predator, and then the predator swoops in to commit his crime.  From there, threats may be issued. The victim must remain silent, or face serious consequences.  The victim becomes the predator's slave.  
I thought of this after making my last comment about the need to trust the GB, "because God and Jesus do".  These guys are spiritual, sexual predators.  They win over their victims with smooth words, and it can take years of indoctrination, leading JWs to come to "trust" the GB.  Until something clicks, one too many lies alert the victim that they have been abused by con artists.  They have been cheated of truth in Jesus Christ. (2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15,20)  As can happen, the victim is threatened with loss of family, loss of status in the congregation, loss of God's love if they speak what these "Harlots" have been doing, how they transgressed the victim's personal spiritual relationship with God and Christ.  JWs are victims of spiritual abuse, and most are too "drunk" or too scared, to do anything about it.  (Rev 17:1-5; 18:4-8)
Harlot and Beast