Srecko Sostar

Sorry, this is outside the proper mode of proof and without solid evidence. The filtering of dogmas, which you mention, does not mean that the dogmas have indeed become true, but only that they have been filtered through another interpretive model.

You have repeated the same paragraph several times. So, all the people who showed faith in Jesus, and it started 2,000 years ago, aren’t dead?

At present time/until now WTJWorg published, ...which in order ?, fifth, sixth..., "clear explanation"? 

Yes, your spirit-directed organization has been given power to spiritually “kill” anyone who rejects the organization  – who rejects the elder body – who rejects the GB, and who speak TRUTH. 
John 16:2-4
I was a JW, blind as you are for over 32 years.
"Are you personally proving yourself holy with regard to not associating with family members or others who have been disfellowshipped?" Watchtower 2014 Nov 15 p.14
Can you see that the disfellowshipped have lost, according to the elders’ ruling, all “holiness” before God?  Do the unholy/unrighteous inherit the Kingdom?  It is decreed that they are spiritually “dead” until they repent according to Watchtower’s rules. 
The elders represent the “image” of the spirit-directed organization. The elders “sit as God in the temple of God” showing that they have the (unlawful) ability to speak for God.  2 Thess 2:4; Rev 13:11,14,15,18
 
 

Sorry, this is outside the proper mode of proof and without solid evidence. The filtering of dogmas, which you mention, does not mean that the dogmas have indeed become true, but only that they have been filtered through another interpretive model.

Socially, mentally and emotionally they can. Spirituality is an ingredient related to the previous ingredients. Together with the physical, they make us as a person. 
Well, Organization such WTJWorg can cause “death” in any form.

At present time/until now WTJWorg published, ...which in order ?, fifth, sixth..., "clear explanation"? 

You have repeated the same paragraph several times. So, all the people who showed faith in Jesus, and it started 2,000 years ago, aren’t dead?

Sorry, this is outside the proper mode of proof and without solid evidence. The filtering of dogmas, which you mention, does not mean that the dogmas have indeed become true, but only that they have been filtered through another interpretive model.

Socially, mentally and emotionally they can. Spirituality is an ingredient related to the previous ingredients. Together with the physical, they make us as a person. 
Well, Organization such WTJWorg can cause “death” in any form.

In 1920, WTJWorg wrote and spoke nonsense. Why would anyone today have to believe they don’t do that anymore?

In 1920, WTJWorg wrote and spoke nonsense. Why would anyone today have to believe they don’t do that anymore?

Perhaps, but ....
 
..... Some of you, JW', "kill" others with wrong words and wrong behavior towards others.

There is a physical killing and a spiritual killing.  Sometimes the spiritual ends up in the physical killing of the individual, through the reverberating effects of the practice of hate and shunning by JWs.
"Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to (physically) kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof. Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization” Watchtower 1952 Nov 15 p.703
There.  That puts it in the minds of JWs, that anyone disfellowshipped or anyone who walks away from the organization, is as good as dead in God’s eyes.
JWs are famously known worldwide, for their “killing” through disfellowshipping and shunning.  (Rev 13:15)

Thank you @JW Insider for this link and the other one.
https://watchtowerdocuments.org/documents/1920_Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die.pdf
Page 94 
HOW TO LIVE FOREVER
The church systems would have the people believe that only those who become church members can be saved.
The Bible never taught any such doctrine.
The Lord never organized the nominal systems, and the true church is but a little flock, who shall inherit the kingdom of heaven, and the others of the world do not inherit it. To the church Jesus said: 'Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom'. (Luke 12 : 32) Jesus died not only for those who will constitute the members of the church, but for all. St. John plainly stated: 'He is the propitiation [satisfaction] for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole worldv.-1 John 2: 2. 
I think this proves one point that i was making.   
And here we seem to have an answer 
Page 97
Then it shall come to pass that every one who will keep the saying of the Lord shall never see death. This promise would not have been made by Jesus if he did not intend to carry it into full force and effect in due time. Again he said: 'Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die". (John 11 : 26) Do we believe the Master's statement? If so, when the time comes for the world to know, then they who believe and, of course, render themselves in obedience to the terms have the absolute and positive statement of Jesus that they shall never die.
 Based upon the argument heretofore set forth, then, that the old order of things, the old world, is ending and is therefore passing away, and that the new order is coming in, and that 1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old and the beginning of reconstruction, it is reasonable to conclude that millions of people now on the earth will be still on the earth in 1925. Then, based upon the promises set forth in the divine Word, we must reach the positive and indisputable conclusion that millions now living will never die. 
 

I’m sorry Arauna, but you are teaching falsehoods, and yes, you are “teaching” as a woman! 
"Those who imposed themselves onto Christians and rule like real kings." 
Who would that be?
The blood of the holy ones is on the hands of those who were once under covenant with God. – the rulers and the people of Israel.  You do know that your organization states that JWs have “come out” of Babylon the great? Under favorable circumstances in alignment with scripture, this would mean JWs are now blessed by God, and are safe, (which they actually preach) having God’s strength to keep them that way; is that not the case? They have built their DOMAIN – kingDOM. (1 Thess 5:3)
So, if I understand right, you are saying Christendom’s rulers are coming after JWs?  You think they are oppressing Wt’s truth, which is actually lies?  (2 Thess 2:9,10; 2 Pet 1:2-3)
Even though you are in a ‘spiritual paradise’, you do also know that your governing body member, S. Lett, says that Gog of Magog of Ezek 38 is a “Gentile” coalition of nations to come against JWs?  And that persecution is likely?  And these nations are also part of “false religion”/“Babylon the Great”, no? 
You have a conundrum in teachings.  Apparently, the organization of JWs has God’s blessing on it because they are the “remnant” to come out of Babylon the Great, the empire of false religion.   But wait, Christendom/Babylon and Gog of Magog are still coming for you!  
Doesn’t the organization preach that it is full of a righteous, obedient people? So tell me one instance when God allowed other nations to plunder His people, when they were faithful and obeying His laws, which every JW believes they are doing?
 Why did God’s people suffer persecution under the Babylonians?  Judah was wicked, disregarding God’s laws.  Hab 1:1-11
“Didn’t you exist before time began, O Lord, my God, my Holy One? We will not die! O Lord, you have appointed the Babylonians to bring judgment. O Rock, you have destined them to correct us.”  Hab 1:12
If those of your “Babylon” are coming after JWs, what have you done wrong?
What about Lett’s Gog of Magog?  Why did that army come upon Israel? 
“You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.”
Why would God need Gog of Magog to prove His holiness? 
“‘I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them.  From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offences, and I hid my face from them.’”  Ezek 39
Yes, Babylon and Gog of Magog were used against Israel as punishment.  I know JWs in general don’t believe they need to be punished by God sending Gentile nations against them.  How do your leaders feel so confident to skip the reasons why God’s people faced persecution from nations?  It is because there are very few among you, who actually READ the scriptures. So, your leaders are banking on the idea that they can get away with it!  You can’t just pick a little here and a little there without giving the entire account of WHY.  Your leaders made the same mistake with the locusts of Joel.  What will JWs do if the organization is still existing 5-10 years from now, when after reading the scriptures, your leaders tell you WHY Gog of Magog came against Israel, and they will have to scrap another embarrassing teaching?
Actually, I believe they have this planned out. They can’t touch Rev 20:7-10.  There, in the last days, Gog and Magog come against and surround…THE ANOINTED SAINTS – THE HOLY PEOPLE.  They don’t bring up this account in the last book of prophesy that addresses Armageddon,  because it conflicts with their false doctrine of a thousand years of peace after Armageddon – this, when it is promised “death will be destroyed” when Jesus returns.  If death is destroyed, then Gog and Magog will not appear a literal thousand years into the Kingdom. (1 Cor 15:25,26)
Taking away their thousand year doctrine would be devastating to the "faith" of JWs! The doctrine of men is more important than the word of God.  That has been proven when JWI said, scrapping 1914 by your leaders years ago who realized it is a lie, would disrupt the “faith” of JWs.  It had nothing to do with TRUTH.  What weak, unfaithful men, who refused to listen to God’s word and choose their falsehoods, over truth.
Christendom and the nations are not the fulfillment of Revelation.  Although Christendom has a horrible history of killing innocent people, possibly even anointed ones over the centuries, about his own people, Jesus said,   
 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!”  Luke 13:34
Do you see?  the blood of the “holy ones”, the prophets, will be required by God’s wayward people – an evil generation, who were under covenant with him, which Christendom is not, and this applies to today's "evil generation".   (Deut 1:35)
Hos 4:1-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hosea+4%3A1-9&version=NIV
Where is “Jerusalem”, “Israel” today?  The anointed are “Israel”/New Jerusalem. (Gal 4:26) The elder body is a very large “Gentile” “iron” nation that has come against God’s authentic anointed. (Dan 2:40-42; Rev 9:1-5; 13:5-7) Compare the numbers and consider the total of elders, thousands of them worldwide.   We know it is far greater than the small amount of anointed, even if God only knows how many authentic anointed there are left in the Wt. Only the elders, can trample the Temple “living stones”; by standing where they don’t belong (Mark 13:14); and they have, by replacing and judging God’s holy priesthood and removing their daily sacrifices of praise. (Dan 8:11-13,31; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:1-4) The holy ones/prophets/”two (meaning truth) witnesses” are sent to God’s people in this day (Rev 11:1-3), warning them of their idolatry to an organization, and for their sins of obeying prominent men, and not Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:4) They are unfaithful toward God’s laws in Christ, choosing the laws of men founded on lies.  A. Morris said the GB makes "decrees" that must be obeyed. Where is that written in the scriptures that it is okay to follow and obey uninspired men?  God has allowed His Temple to be trampled down as punishment against His people’s sins. (Dan 8:12 ("because of transgression"); Luke 22:31; Rev 12:1-4)   What happens to any anointed who speaks truth and represent Jesus Christ? They, and the “two witnesses”/appointed messengers are “killed”/disfellowshipped by the “Gentiles”.  This is spiritual blood on the hands of your leaders and the “Gentile”/elders. (Rev 6:9-11)
 How do I know this happens in “Jerusalem”, the “holy city” and not in Christendom?  (Rev 13:5-7; 20:9)
“When they finish their testimony, the beast (organization) that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”
Jesus was killed right outside of Jerusalem.  (Heb 13:13)
The apostles were persecuted BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING TRUTH.  They also, were thrown out of the synagogues just as the elders disfellowship any who speak truth today. They are thrown out of the congregations. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
Persecution that happens in the world to JWs, is for two reasons.  God lets it happen, since His spirit is not with the organization; and since His people commit idolatry, not following Christ’s teachings. They follow another “head” – your harlot leaders and wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,15)  The other reason is because Satan wants to hide the true identity of the man of lawlessness that resides in the organization.  He has devised his counter fulfillment, easily swallowed by JWs like you, since they are blinded by the desire to relish lies and look for fulfillment in Satan’s world – just where he wants their focus to lie. (Luke 17:20,21; Matt 12:39)   This, is the war against truth spoken by Christ’s servants, and falsehoods spoken by Satan’s servants.  (Matt 24:15,16, 22-18; 2 Cor 11:13-14; Rev 12:7-9; 16:13-16 )
Revelation 18:4 says, “come out of her my people”.  Are JWs still thinking that God’s people under covenant are in Christendom and need to “come out”? Or, are JWs in “Babylon”, carrying the mark of the Beast – the identity put upon them by the organization? (Isa 28:14,15; Rev 8:15-17; 14:9,10)
Rev 18:4 applies to God’s holy people and those with them, who are under a “Gentile” rule of discipline.  Only the hard-hearted ones who refuse to see their sins and idolatry, will remain under the rule of the two Beasts of Revelation – Gog and Magog.  There will come a day when the scales will be removed, and they will finally be shown the true identity of the man of lawlessness.  (Rev 17:8)  It’s time to come out of the Wt, now. 
The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5 Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:
“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
    you who are and who were;
6 for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
    and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”
7 And I heard the altar respond:
“Yes, Lord God Almighty,
    true and just are your judgments.” Rev 16:4
Who…has shed the blood of God’s holy people?  Those unfaithful harlot leaders of the physical nation of Israel, and today’s spiritual “Israel”, who have made a covenant with “Gentiles”, leading to the trampling of God’s Temple.  (Dan 11:32; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 11:1-3)
 
Daniel chapter 11
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Door-to-door public preaching is an exclusive way because JWs imitate Jesus and the apostles. It is no longer so important to literally follow Jesus ’example. Why? Because of the same love for their neighbors, because of which they went from door to door, they have now stopped going. Strange logic.
He mentioned how congregations are now divided into "pastoral groups". This word is so foreign to JW. It is certainly not used in Croatia, because it strongly reminds of the Catholic Church and their terminology.
 

Door-to-door public preaching is an exclusive way because JWs imitate Jesus and the apostles. It is no longer so important to literally follow Jesus ’example. Why? Because of the same love for their neighbors, because of which they went from door to door, they have now stopped going. Strange logic.
He mentioned how congregations are now divided into "pastoral groups". This word is so foreign to JW. It is certainly not used in Croatia, because it strongly reminds of the Catholic Church and their terminology.
 

Being a top expert generally means mastering 1 or at most 2 areas of a profession. Some people have the intellectual ability, but also some talent, to master several areas. For example, one JW elder was a mechanical engineer, talented in music, he directed, I think, all the dramas for congresses in some 20 years, he was an excellent listener and speaker and interlocutor. But, unfortunately, he raised his hand against himself in 2013 and violently ended his life. Sometimes I wonder how he would have reacted, had he stayed alive until 2015, to my exit from the Organization, because we felt one nice affection for each other.
I am one of those who have a sense of various everyday practical skills, but at the same time I see the disadvantages of such an approach. But on the other hand, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find responsible and capable people who can do some work. Let’s say construction work, on repairing or renovating a house or roof. There is also the issue of money to pay for the works. Basically, being "your own master" is better than nothing.
Perhaps Video Games should be created to help players master skills such as plastering a wall, laying ceramic tiles, electrical installations and the like.  

Being a top expert generally means mastering 1 or at most 2 areas of a profession. Some people have the intellectual ability, but also some talent, to master several areas. For example, one JW elder was a mechanical engineer, talented in music, he directed, I think, all the dramas for congresses in some 20 years, he was an excellent listener and speaker and interlocutor. But, unfortunately, he raised his hand against himself in 2013 and violently ended his life. Sometimes I wonder how he would have reacted, had he stayed alive until 2015, to my exit from the Organization, because we felt one nice affection for each other.
I am one of those who have a sense of various everyday practical skills, but at the same time I see the disadvantages of such an approach. But on the other hand, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find responsible and capable people who can do some work. Let’s say construction work, on repairing or renovating a house or roof. There is also the issue of money to pay for the works. Basically, being "your own master" is better than nothing.
Perhaps Video Games should be created to help players master skills such as plastering a wall, laying ceramic tiles, electrical installations and the like.  

The historical context is interesting because it confirms today’s perception of the past historical context. And that is: They expected Armageddon and the establishment of an earthly Paradise during their lifetime.  After the failure of hope, they started a dogma with heavenly life for the chosen earthlings (variations on this theme exist in JW literature)
Today’s WTJWorg context has refuted all of this as outdated and misconceptions. JW Hope has new models of belief and beliefs, today.
Then we have the Context of Present Time, which confirms that both the WTJWorg contexts, the one from the time of Rutherford and the one from the time of present (the year 2021) WTJWorg Administration, are revealed by failed and inaccurate expectations, beliefs and interpretations, aka dogmas.
JW Hope has new models of belief and teachings, which will be the reason for discussions in this or some other Forum in the future.
What Rutherford thought then, and what we think he thought then are two things. Whatever he thought can be assumed on the basis of books and magazines from that time. So, let me agree with the question from the title of this topic.
 

In my childhood, my dad bought train models and then after a while we mounted it all on the board as a model with houses, a station, small cars, people and the like. It was very modest considering some of the other models that others made. But very fun and live. Live, literally. Good for finger motor skills while joining parts, clasping locomotive wagons and so on.

I like chess too. Many years ago, I stumbled upon some application of driving a big truck. I enjoyed practicing maneuvering skills. And some games with racing cars. But that, it seems to me, was actually all about such games. 

Not only did that never happen, the clams of China's atrocities against Falun Gong members was irrefutably debunked.
Although I believe what I just said, I just gave an example of the kind of thing that just wastes time in a discussion forum:
I answered the same way that a lot of people would answer, but it can just go back and forth like this unless someone is willing to point to research and/or evidence, and not just unsubstantiated claims and opinions. It must have also been about 20 years ago when I saw the Falun Gong protests in the streets of NYC during the years I worked in Manhattan, and I was fooled for quite some time by their sincere-sounding cries, and all the posters with "photographic" evidence. It didn't take long to discover that the photographic evidence was just from actors "re-enacting" claims. But I'm made doubly suspicious by watching who helps them fund-raise over this issue, and the way they have been caught "red-handed" lying about and denying their direct association with various culture performances, newspapers, Cable TV stations, along with YouTube and Twitter and Facebook spokespersons.
What I just did in that last paragraph is a bit better, but it is still just counter-claims (albeit, more specific) with no real evidence for my own view. At least someone who might be interested can now say, for example: "Hey wait a second, give me one of those examples of FG members lying about their association with FG."

Everything what WTS creates under various names are smaller or larger corporations. These are companies that have a mode of operation led and controlled by the WTS. Who founded which of these companies is not known to me nor have I done any research on it. Which companies were founded by Watch Tower Society (WTS), and which organizations were founded by subcompanies, if they did, I don't know (Watchtower New York, Watch Tower Pennsylvania, IBSA and others; subsidiary company is a company that belongs to another company,) . So, overall, each of these organizations is under the patronage of the WTS.