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It is you jehovahs witnesses who are calling Jehovah and Jesus liars, since your doctrines flip flop constantly. Your accusing jehovah of not knowing what he is talking about and thus needs to change a 180 on a doctrine or teaching.
The watchtower is still a man made organization that is not being led by the holy spirit.

'No Mr. Russell, all that stuff you taught is was all wrong'.

I know my presence here is intolerable to JWs. Many times, I have thought of leaving and never returning. (Matt 10:14) Although, I do appreciate those who visit this forum and believe in the words of Christ over the words of men. (John 8:31; 2 Tim 4:3)
I admit also that I have noticed fleeting remarks made by you and a few other JWs,  who have expressed some empathy for those not in the organization.  But this thought conflicts with your teachings, that only those faithful to the organization, will “live forever”.  (Exod 23:13,24,32; Isa 57:13; Rev 13:1,2,4 ) It must create a personal struggle for some who care to reach out, but still fully believe that all outside the organization will be destroyed.
Yet, every sin committed by your leadership is passed by, ignored and forgotten by the mind; developing a harden crust over your heart. (Matt 13:13-15)  This prevents you from distinguishing truth from a lie, good from evil.  The heart of a JW cannot discern the importance of the “holy” priesthood, from the “profane” – the elder body not only “representing the royal priesthood” but trampling its voice into the dust.  (Ps 52:1-7; Hos 4:6-9; Jer 18:12; John 3:20) (Ezek 44:6-10,23,24; Jer 12:10,11; Dan 11:31; Mark 13:14;Rev 11:2)
The organization has hidden its worst crimes from its members; yet meticulously keeps record of each individual’s “good” service and sinful failings; to draw upon, scrutinize and condemn.  This is evil hypocrisy.  (Deut 16:19; Prov 17:5; Mal 3:5) 
Perhaps you can you tell me where in the teachings of Jesus, this practice can be validated? (Luke 11:42,46)
The eight men who guide the organization are excused of their errors in doctrine, due to their ability to smooth over their sins with continued false promises. (Isa 29:15; Jer 16:17; Prov 5:3,4; Rom 1:18; 2 Pet 2:1,2; Rev 8:10,11;13:11;17:1)
If the Wt. is God’s Zion, where the law of love, and righteousness are the foundation of truth, should there be an evolutionary timetable of suffering, depression, even death as a result of doctrine initiated outside of God’s Word? (Isa 2:2,3) (Deut 4:2; Mark 7:6,8,13)
“Every word of God is flawless;
    He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
    or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.”  Prov 30:5,6
This horrific timetable has increased in magnitude as the organization has grown; through its perpetual driving force in renewed doctrine and the “false apostles” who lead you. (2 Chron 10:4,13,14; Rev 9:3-5; 13:5-7,11,12; 2 Cor 11:13; 2 Tim 3:12,13)
 Should millions of past and present JWs be the target of affliction by men’s bad decisions? Should anyone be disfellowshipped for calling out from under the carpet, those deliberate delusions spoken of as “truth” during its heyday? Shouldn’t these men be called out for speaking obvious lies?  (Ps 94:4-7,20,21) 
What do you think Jesus would do in this case?  Who did he say was the source of lies, and who has as their father, anyone who teaches lies? (John 8:44; Matt 7:15-20)
“You reject all who stray from your decrees, for their delusions come to nothing.”  Ps 119:118
“How long will you people turn My glory into shame? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?”  Ps 4:2
How can these men not inspired, be “spiritual betters” as you call them, of anyone, when they have bestowed upon themselves and their “body” of counterfeit priests, power to judge someone as not worthy of God’s grace, while deliberately hiding their own sins? (Dan 11:36; Rom 14:4; Rev 13:5)
The Pharisees were experts at this.  Do you know they sinned against the Holy Spirit when condemning Jesus to death? They claimed his work was demonic.  (Matt 12:31,32; John 8:48; Mark 3:28-30)  How many times has your composite leadership, the entire elder body, condemned an anointed one to a spiritual death when speaking against documented false teachings and prophesy, and for upholding only God’s Word through Christ?  If we only knew.  What we do know, is that this act of sinning against the Holy Spirit, fulfills prophesy.  (John 16:2; Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:25; John 15:20; Rev 13:15; 11:3,7)
From one hub in New York, a sticky web has been spun throughout the world, creating not a “home” of enlightenment, but one of dark captivity where people adhere to the glue of the silken web, too afraid to struggle against it. (John 3:19-21; 2 Cor 6:14) They are afraid to stand for truth and justice’s sake which can lead to losing family and close friends. (Mark 8:35;Heb 10:35-39) They are alert to the consequences that they will be considered by their loved ones, as spiritually dead before God. (Mark 13:12; Luke 12:51-53)
Do you believe this?  Do you believe people are “dead” in God’s eyes when they are disfellowshipped for rejecting the organization?  What about those who keep their faith in Christ and the Father, perpetually alive in their heart? (2 Tim 3:10-13; Rev 2:10; 13:10)
How do you think Jesus feels, knowing that many leave your organization, afflicted, and tossed about by uncaring elders; while despite all their suffering, hold on even more tightly to his teachings? Your organization states that these people will die in Armageddon, primarily for rejecting your shepherds and the web of lies they continue to spin. (Jer 23:1-4)
Another aspect of this entrapment is the organization’s earthly “beauty” of attraction; like a stunningly spun web, diligently perfected and organized.   We’ve seen these type of spider webs in nature. We marvel at the spider’s ability to produce what appears a miraculous work. (Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9; Rev 13:11,13)  
Yet we are told in God’s Word, that putting our trust in earthly treasures, is a trap.  Can you see that your house of faith and promise in an earthly organization, is an earthly treasure?  (Micah 6:9-13; Matt 6:19-20; 1 Tim 6:9; Phil 3:19)  
Both the physical accomplishments and the perceived humble men who speak as if sent by Christ, drowns out any internal lies spoken by them, as well as unveiled truth trumpeted from outside its walls. (Isa 58:1; Joel 2:1; Ezek 2:5,7; Rev 11:1-3) A new member here, is a perfect example of one who closes her eyes and ears to truth, to preserve the beauty she has fabricated in her mind.  To her, spiritual wisdom appears to come exclusively from the eight-legged hub of beauty, as it boasts of its visual accomplishments; while at the same time, effectively hiding from JWS not only its sins, but its inability to produce lasting sayings of life. (John 15:4,16; 6:27,35,58,68)  
Still, this entrapment must be served and cared for, and respected. (Rev 13:4)   Its prey cooperates, by leading others into its efficiently balanced web.  (Prov 28:10; Ps 64:6; Jer 9:8)
In Matt 24:24, Jesus spoke of false prophets misleading the “elect”, the “saints”/anointed in the last days.  His use of words convey that the deceit would be so intense, it would be very possible for those who received the Holy Spirit of truth poured into their heart at the time of anointing, to also be misled. (1 John 2:20)  Jesus called it a “trap” of glut and drunkenness and the pain that comes with it  – a spiritual downfall from “eating” rotten fruit, and drinking from a vine of wickedness…from a brood of vipers. (Luke 21:34-36) (Matt 23:33,34; Deut 32:32,33; 29:18; Heb 12:15; Rev 8:11; Jer 13:13; Rev 14:8)
 Your GB refute this claim, saying no, it is not possible for the remnant to be deceived; after all, they are residing faithfully in “Jehovah’s organization”, a “safe haven” and “spiritual paradise.”  (Jer 23:17; 1 Thess 5:3; Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-9)  
So, most likely you are thinking, what does anyone on the outside know about “truth”, right?   Well, when many can see clearly Wt’s web for what it is, they perceive confusion of teachings, ugliness, suffering and entrapment; much like the tangled web of a black widow spider.  They are aware that no matter how the organization presents itself on the outside, it cannot be sourced in the God of Truth and Justice.  Deut 32:4  
All of this is true, but I now feel it is not necessarily by happenstance that your teachings are continually changing.  The enforcement layers of “new light” although born out of necessity, is WT’s inspiration of purpose, to stabilize and secure its home and trap of allurement.  It is the organization’s demon inspired artwork, of carefully composed confusion. (Col 2:8; Rev 16:13-16)  Even in the visual tangled web woven by a black widow, there is method to what looks like a spider’s madness.   It is structured on three levels that serve to trap its prey; supporting threads, tangle threads, and at its lowest foundation zone, the spider weaves a vertical trap of silk, noted to be five times stronger than steel, on a “per-weight basis”.
But will the organization – the trap of darkness, where the light from God’s Son cannot and will never shine, continue to stand through the trials it already faces?  Will “Jehovah’s house”, no matter what supporting threads of new light and false promises it continues to builds with, successfully face the scrutiny God will bring upon it, for rejecting His Temple and house, that He has built through His Son? (Ps 127:1; Hos 10:13; 2 Cor 4:18; 1 John 2:17; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 6:19,20; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 7:24-27)
 
"JW's" talk a lot about "the mark of true Christianity, as being love" (John 13:34,35; Matt 5:43,44);
but how little love they have for anyone who does not worship, obey, and slave for, their organizational god! Overly self-righteous, they avoid those whom they deem as spiritually defective (Ecc 7:16; Rom 12:3; 3:23; James 4:6; Luke 6:42; Matt 7:1,2; Prov 16:2).
It is taught that by treating sinners with coldness, we are supposedly, helping them (Rom 3:8).
If we see someone in need, even if we view them as a spiritual enemy, we are to show compassion (Rom 12:20; Matt 25:35-40; 7:12) (John 3:17; 8:15), because we don't really know their heart, as it appears before God (Heb 13:2; Matt 18:10)...
…as He views them (1 Sam 16:7; Prov 17:5). Even God's faithful remnant, will be seen as wicked enemies (John 16:2; Rev 11:3,7-9; Matt 25:42-46). The self-righteous, are judged by Christ, as "goats" (2 Cor 11:15).
The meaning of God's Word of truth, does not change. So what are the minds of "JW's" slaves to?
Not to truth (Deut 11:18; Rev 22:4), but to men and their doctrines (Rev 13:16; Matt 15:9). That's called idolatry (Isa 40:25; Rev 13:4,17,8). 
Bible prophecy has foretold that all this would take place as a test before the end (Matt 24:9-13,22,24,25; 7:14).
 Wicked Steward/Shunning/Idolatry/Witnessing/Provisions/Refuge
 
 Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
    nor his ear too dull to hear.
2 But your iniquities have separated
    you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
    so that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are stained with blood,
    your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken falsely,
    and your tongue mutters wicked things.
4 No one calls for justice;
    no one pleads a case with integrity.
They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies;
    they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
5 They hatch the eggs of vipers
    and spin a spider’s web.
Whoever eats their eggs will die,
    and when one is broken, an adder is hatched.
6 Their cobwebs are useless for clothing;
    they cannot cover themselves with what they make.
Their deeds are evil deeds,
    and acts of violence are in their hands.
7 Their feet rush into sin;
    they are swift to shed innocent blood.
They pursue evil schemes;
    acts of violence mark their ways.
8 The way of peace they do not know;
    there is no justice in their paths.
They have turned them into crooked roads;
    no one who walks along them will know peace.
9 So justice is far from us,
    and righteousness does not reach us.
We look for light, but all is darkness;
    for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.
10 Like the blind we grope along the wall,
    feeling our way like people without eyes.
At midday we stumble as if it were twilight;
    among the strong, we are like the dead.
11 We all growl like bears;
    we moan mournfully like doves.
We look for justice, but find none;
    for deliverance, but it is far away.
12 For our offenses are many in your sight,
    and our sins testify against us.
Our offenses are ever with us,
    and we acknowledge our iniquities:
13 rebellion and treachery against the Lord,
    turning our backs on our God,
inciting revolt and oppression,
    uttering lies our hearts have conceived.
14 So justice is driven back,
    and righteousness stands at a distance;
truth has stumbled in the streets,
    honesty cannot enter.
15 Truth is nowhere to be found,
    and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.
The Lord looked and was displeased
    that there was no justice.
16 He saw that there was no one,
    he was appalled that there was no one to intervene;
so his own arm achieved salvation for him,
    and his own righteousness sustained him.
17 He put on righteousness as his breastplate,
    and the helmet of salvation on his head;
he put on the garments of vengeance
    and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak.
18 According to what they have done,
    so will he repay
wrath to his enemies
    and retribution to his foes;
    he will repay the islands their due.
19 From the west, people will fear the name of the Lord,
    and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory.
For he will come like a pent-up flood
    that the breath of the Lord drives along.
20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion,
    to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,”
declares the Lord.
21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the Lord. “My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants—from this time on and forever,” says the Lord.  Isa 59
 
 
 

You usually make sensible statements, but this one is an outright uninformed lie. I thought you were above that rude behavior.
 

I agree with you there. However ours was quite a bit more than a spanking with a belt, belts usually don't cause  severe bleeding, bruising and broken bones. But of course back then there wasn't much of a social outcry against child abuse. And some people should not have kids. The thing that stuck out was that the abuse was in the name of Jehovah.

But we didnt kill our parents, this young girl has something else wrong with her.

My siblings and I were yelled at and beaten on almost a daily basis by jw parents.

I wonder which one of the elders kept this recording, and listened to it a lot.

The Governing Body never ever said that 1975 was the end of this world, All that is written in the publications  is that it was 6,000 years since Adam`s creation, and people read that as a sign in their own minds that because of 6,000 years and Jesus would reign for 1,000 years that would make 7,000 years and it would be Jehovah ruling after that. No where in what the publications says, So stop living in a fantasy world world, 1975 was a great year because it cleansed the organization of people who was serving with a date in mind and not in the faith and looking to what the Bible says the sign would be for the last days. Oh by the way I`m very happy it didn1t come because I was not in the truth in 1975.

My elderly/aging mother lives with me for her safety, and she is a JW. Saturday we got a knock on the door, when I opened it up a truck was pulling away, I recognized the 2 men inside, they were jw's. Inside the box was a gallon of milk, 10lb bag of potatoes, a bag of some seriously ill looking cooked chicken, 3 tubs of sour cream, a 1lb stick of mozzarella cheese, a box of butter and a letter stating the food was from a food program from president trump. Mom kept wondering why we got this box, I mentioned to her I had heard something about the program here. She called one of long time elder friends and he told her that had no program like that so he didn't know. Knowing how all congregations are different in their internal politics, but I wonder if the elders here didn't want people to know they were getting supplemental food from the Government and they were working with the government.
Since we are not hurting for food, we gave most of it to a young family across the street who has fallen on hard times due to covid.

T. THOMAS — Residents will soon be able to access the Watchtower magazine with a few keystrokes on the Jehovah’s Witnesses website.
That’s because the a special edition of the magazine entitled “What is God’s Kingdom” will be distributed in both print and electronic format as part of a global campaign that kicks off Sunday and throughout the month of November.
“The answer to that question has captivated the attention of people from many different faiths for centuries,” and Jehovah’s Witnesses will distribute the magazine to the general public, business owners, local and national government officials as well as court officials, according to Javier De La Rosa, a local spokesperson for Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The printed editions will be mailed out, he said.
“Due to COVID-19 we’re respecting both members and the households by mailing the printed edition and not going door to door,” De La Rosa said. “We will make efforts to reach out to business and government officials so that it can be mailed to them.”
An electronic copy in over 300 languages will be available on the website at jw.org under the link Library/Magazines.
http://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/jehovah-s-witnesses-to-distribute-special-issue-of-watchtower-magazine-online-via-mail/article_e19e9ee2-a68e-5fd1-addf-94134de47770.html

If the virus is from Satan, does that mean he's Chinese?

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/10/22/child-abuse-institutional-care/
The Jehovah’s Witnesses refused to sign up to the national redress scheme, opting instead to handle historic sex abuse claims in-house – but alleged victims say they are still being ignored by the church.
Although the deadline for institutions to sign up has been extended until December, the Jehovah’s Witnesses is the only national organisation to declare they will not be joining.
Ms Kaput says she has not received a response from the church.
“We spent all this money on the royal commission, it took such a long time, we got the results, now there’s nothing,” she said.
 
Where is the Love, the Mercy, the Christian conscience ? The CCJW and it's GB don't have any.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Same subject, different report.
National Redress Scheme: Scott Morrison names and shames groups refusing to sign up
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/national-redress-scheme-scott-morrison-names-and-shames-groups-refusing-to-sign-up/news-story/f519cf23a9d8422a1882095d07f3143f
The Prime Minister has revealed the government is finalising sanctions it will slap on groups “blatantly” refusing to sign up to a national scheme.
 
Four institutions including the Jehovah’s Witnesses could be stripped of their charitable status after failing to sign up to the National Redress Scheme.
Scott Morrison on Thursday revealed the government was finalising sanctions it will slap on the organisations.
The Prime Minister named and shamed the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Kenja Communication, Lakes Entrance Pony Club and Fairbridge Restored Limited for “blatantly” refusing to join the scheme.
And this is ONLY Australia.  The GB and their helpers have a lot to answer for.  But don't tell Emma Rose, she doesn't believe any of it actually happened. 
 

Don't forget the biggest example....if you leave the governing body, you are leaving Jehovah.

Don't forget the biggest example....if you leave the governing body, you are leaving Jehovah.

Reminds me of the parable of the good Samaritan. 2 jw's walk by someone in need expecting the government or other religious to be the good Samaritan.

And your governing body are doing it from the inside, crafty fellows!

Well actually your god Anthony (bourbon) Morris already decided that this jehovah of yours is going to wipe out all apostates, so he and you who worship and agree with him (Tony Morris) have judged all apostates worthy of death. Just one more reason why you are guilty of idolatry..

Reminds me of the parable of the good Samaritan. 2 jw's walk by someone in need expecting the government or other religious to be the good Samaritan.

Um idolatry. Worshipping the GB by believing every word they say or write, and by believing they are the F&DS.
Idolatry.  Worshipping the CCJW organisation by believing and teaching others that one 'has to be a baptised JW to be saved' 
Idolatry. Believing books and magazines written by the GB and their helpers, instead of believing God's written word.
Indeed JWs are guilty of idolatry and have been since the Bible Student era. 
JWs have believed so many lies and false predictions and still do. 

I understand what Tom means when he writes, "they".  
That's the wonderful thing about Jehovah granting us free will, we can exercise it and if people choose to leave, that is their decision.  Jehovah said He would feed His sheep using His organisation, that is what He is doing and through a feeding programme using literature, I have no problem understanding that at all.
You won't be able to wipe out Jehovah's organisation, many have tried and failed and if you know anything about the end times, you will know that a coalition of nations will eventually turn on us and that that will be the trigger for Armageddon when the nations will know that Jehovah is who He is.  Until then He works with imperfect people to carry out His will.
 

Quote @Emma Rose I won't stand/sit by while they make baseless accusations against Jehovah or His people 
I don't think anyone here makes accusations against God or Christ. 
As for 'His people' I don't think I've found them yet. All I've found is people that serve a 'religion', an organisation, or men. 
  

I had to laugh at this comment from @TrueTomHarley
The JW organization puts emphasis on caring for ones spiritually, so that in applying Bible principles they will correspond to the man who has learned how to fish.
How untrue this is. The JW organisation / CCJW is run by those 8 men, the GB, who call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. They do not 'teach a man to fish' because that would actually make the GB redundant. No, the GB act as the permanent Fishermen, supplying the 'fish' to the whole congregation. In fact they tell the congregation that no one can obtain this 'fish' without being a baptised JW. 
The man who has learnt to fish is then independent, but the GB does not want people to be independent.. 
In truth people that are of spiritual mind and conscience, and have Bible principles in their hearts, do not need the GB or the CCJW. Such one can serve God independently. Of course organisation is good, but relying on AN organisation is not so good. 

Thought for the day:
Jehovah is God's name.  It was originally in the Bible in over 7,000 places but has been removed by various bodies due to superstition etc.  Micah 4:5 For all the people will walk, each in the name of it's god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever.

It is commendable that two or three elders or m.s. are stepping up to volunteer, but they aren't any more special in this aspect. Considering they local congregation may deliver to 15-20 jw only families. Compare that  to some food banks that  deliver food to hundreds of families 52 weeks a year by volunteers to any one regardless of their faith or religion, sometimes in far away places and by volunteers as well, and not just during a pandemic.