Space Merchant

@Matthew9969 Perhaps because cats (dead or alive) were USED in pagan practices? A Yule Tree has a symbolic use in pagan practices and rituals, in some cases, inviting of evil spirits. The irony here it is not JWs who believe this either, this goes for other things such as birthday cakes, the cross, applying laws not of Christian application, Traditions of Men and a whole list of other things.

That being said, I do not think God is a fan of those who willingly take practice of such things, let alone having symbolic representations of such that welcomes that of evil spirits.

I believe we have talked about something similar before, for even recently, I had your comments confused with shiwii.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Understandable. I have seen and heard things that would make a holy man shed heartfelt tears. However, it is negative to not give a warning on such things for this was indeed random, however, some people are unfazed by it.

@Matthew9969 The actions of a few does not justify the actions of many and or others, regardless of who they are or what faith they profess.

If a Christian says he wants to kill anyone he does not agree with him and actually causes harm to someone, it does not mean all Christians are prone to do the same thing, some will not even agree with the same person they sit next to. In this sense, if a JW says something vulgar that does not mean a JW somewhere in like the middle of Madagascar is the same, for of course, every individual are different in regards to experience and the walks of life, and the like.

@Jack Ryan You do realize Eddie's disdain for religion as a whole? Right? If you are familiar with his work, you'd realize that A, he is a comedian, and that B, people like him are not a fan of region, you think his jokes about JWs is wild, wait til you look at what he says about Christianity and the Bible, not only you will fall off your chair in shock, your socks will come off in shock as well. He does not stop at religion and the bible itself, he also talks about other faiths such as Islam as well as their Qu'ran.

That being said, you never gave a warning to as to how vulgar this video is in regards to language. I have been around so I am clearly not fazed, I had worse, but at least show some respect to others by giving them a heads up. Despite my differences with Matthew, I come to a common ground and agree with him on this note, you should have gave a warning.

Lastly, that isn't the only time the faith was being joked about. At the end of the day, for all men, you do not joke with God, and clearly God does not toss around senseless jokes - he enacts judgement, and clearly, that won't be a laughing matter with any man, mainly in a situation to the mold speaking back to it's molder, it's a no-go and an obvious judgement.

Some comedians have material that is not always true, just putting that out there and you've given points to atheist - not cool.

Also why the Polygamy tag?

@Witness Once again, the actions of a single person or a few does not represent the group as a whole. We live in a society where such ones who want to do harm to kids will go somewhere where they can reach kids, at the same time earn the trust by others there and take advantage of rules and regulations of said institution.

If we are to go by the mindset you are applying, then should anyone do a crime, they will place people such as myself because of my ethnicity as suspect. They wouldn't think twice when dealing with such ones like me, and clearly that was the mindset of what took place some days ago when we had another police shooting, for the situation is quite obvious, mind you, the teen had nothing to do with anyone or anything of what went down.

Another situation is if someone of law enforcement itself, who had done something vile, someone else who know of this event, with such a mindset similar to you, will have thoughts that all who is of that group should be punished, in some cases threaten with death or even killed, this example is primarily in regards to law enforcement, the other was about race, for this is the type of mindset of people nowadays and most people tend not to think outside of the box when such issues arise. This applies to all people, even JWs, for there was an obvious case in the UK regarding a hate crime against the faith.

That being said, there is no question any abuser of ANY kind, I do care if it is a teacher, a coach, a police officer, and especially if it is a JW, for a crime they commit such ones will be met with justice, and at the same time, because of the actions of that person, I do not go out of my way to attack all people, if you haven't notice, Christianity is crawling with wrongdoers in its midst, this includes abusers, we should not be ignorant of what the price of sin causes such ones to do. Your next problem is those who promote such behavior and do so with gross media, if you can't stop that, which is neigh impossible to stop anyways, you cannot stop the abuses, what you can do is prevent and educate, not go on a hate-tirade against others for something they did not do.

6 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Didn't a trusted channel say last year "It has also been observed that fraudulent social media accounts and websites have been created in the name of the organisation, the Governing Body, and its individual members. However, no member of the Governing Body maintains a personal web page or a presence on any social media site"

Apparently some people do this, making false accounts with an individual's name, give it a picture and a few tags to make it seem legit, it tends to get even more grime when such ones attempt to use the name and image of a deceased individual.

Sadly as technology continues to become more and more advance, you do not need profiles to fake something now, all you need is a good picture of someone's face and let the programming of a specific software do the rest, such can range from minor to realistic and defile someone's name and or image, unless someone has a good idea to spot that what was created is indeed fake, which was the case several months ago.

@JW Insider @Shiwiii Seconded. Then we have things pertaining to those being resurrected, for the earth will give birth to the dead, as some translations would say, or simply put, the earth will let those powerless in death come to life. For some who do not believe in the "all good people go to heaven" doctrine, they grasp what their counterparts cannot, and that is what the new creation entails, in addition, we have those who have their hope in the resurrection itself in addition to eternal life, for the reason they believe in what the new creation will bring, that is the new heavens and earth, all things that has cause mankind to stumble and or commit vile things will cease, for we can look for those who do such acts, but they will not be there, they won't be to the east of you, nor will they be to the west, nowhere at all, as Psalms 37:10 states: In just a little while, the wicked will be no more; though you look carefully at his place, he will not be there.

For God's Kingdom itself will provide such, for God will act through for His chosen Messianic King to bring back those in out o the dead by a great multitude, and to some, what they really want is to see those who succumb to death and they know only God has the power to reverse that and will execute his promises when the time comes.

We do not know how things will play out exactly, but it is certain, the bible gives us a variety of evidence of what we are to expect should we come to understand what we read, that is, if we are to endure truly until the conclusion of things itself.

7 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

According these words, some people will not be judged as belonging to some religion, but regarding the deeds they did and their conscience approve or disapprove

Seconded. There are those out there who say they believe in God and automatically think once saved always saved and even if they sin or do bad, they get off Scott-free. As for others, they tend to abuse forgiveness that God gives, knowing they'll sin and thinking they can always be forgiven, such ones are playing with God's forgiveness.

Regardless though, this I agree with for everyone is accounted for what they have done or should have done. In the JWs case, for example, we can say 3 JWs, Tim, George and Pamela. One is making the effort, one is still learning, but the one of them calls themselves a member of said faith, but does something and or practices that are not of the bible at all. When the day of judgement comes, it would be obvious of who is who among them who will be judged.

In today's churches in Christendom, there are things taking place that would make even the spiritual among you cringe in shock, for it is that bad and continues to get even worse because the concern for the mainstream is converts, they care little of the sin, they just want a seat filled and nothing more, at times, tend to be very unhelpful in dealing with some situations. And now we are in a state whereas people can use the bible to justify a practice that is deemed unbiblical, example would be same sex-marriage, and the list goes on, it is as if people have lost themselves in their own little world while still being in the world itself- a state of inception and deception.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Hang on, Christians also believe this.

 

You sure about that? The comments you make at times seem to contradict each other, over and over again.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Nope, He was still God, but He was also MAN. 

 

God is not a man, it says that several times in the Old Testament (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29) for the molder is not like his mold (Isaiah 45:9, Romans 9:20), moreover, even Job himself even stated God is not like us men (Job 9:32-34). God is also incorruptible, cannot succumb to what us humans succumb to, one of them being death, for God's nature is incorruptibility (1 Timothy 1:17, Romans 1:23), he cannot die nor taste death (Habakkuk 1:12), he is the very source of life itself, for He is the living God, the one who is the fountain of life, and he has no beginning or end of existence. (Jeremiah 10:10, 17:13, Daniel 6:20, 26, John 6:57, 2 Corinthians. 3:3, 6:16, 1 Thessalonians. 1:9, Psalms. 36:9).

No where in the Bible does it states that God suddenly out of the blue becomes corruptible/moral. To think of someone who is that great to which nothing can contain him, would become visible flesh, that is somewhat absurd to conclude he could become a man.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

"f Jesus was God, then how would the sacrifice even work? It would make no sense at all...."

Because God only is sinless and ONLY a sinless sacrifice would work

Granted that God himself was known to have been offered sacrifice than you have Jesus' sacrifice which in turn enabled amnesty of sin an allowing us to be forgiven allow us a way to receive eternal life, in addition to the New Covenant, it should be pretty obvious as to how such works.

As for the rest of your comment, do you realize what you are saying?

The Gospel of John

John 17:3

"And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."

? Proof of Trinitarian Error

At John 17:3, Jesus identifies the only true God as the Father, the God whom he reveals to the world. The Trinitarian response is to claim that since the word only modifies/qualifies the word God it does not rule out the possibility that Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, are also the only true God.

And so Trinitarians like to say in response:

• The Father is the only true God
• The Son is the only true God
• The Holy Spirit is the only true God

In other words, the Trinitarian is admitting that if the word only had qualified the word  Father then yes only the Father would be the one true God. But since it does not, the Trinitarian insists that it does not rule out Jesus and the Holy Spirit from being the only true God too.

The Trickery, Exposing the cracks in the Trinitarian Armor

1. Matthew 24:36

But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

We will begin with the above Trinitarian claim, which must be taken with a grain of salt. At Matthew 24:36, the word "only" DOES modify/qualify the Father and they still deny the obvious implications of the verse - that only the Father is omniscient and therefore only the Father is God. It says only the Father knows the day and hour. So we can see that even if Jesus had said, "Father.... this is eternal life, that ONLY You are the true God" that form of language still wouldn't make any difference to Trinitarians.

God's day of judgement, that only he knows, will come like a thief in the night.

 

2. Unwitting Admissions of Trinitarian Scholars

In their discussions and debates of John 1:1, Trinitarians scholars admit that the use of a definite article at John 1:1c would have meant Jesus is the entirety of God and such language would exclude everyone else but Jesus. In fact, according to their own argument, all one would have to say is, "THE Father is THE God," and this would exclude absolutely everyone else. The words "only" and "true" would not even be required.

3. Obvious Trinitarian Hypocrisy

Trinitarians will insist that the expression, "God sent his only son", which means that nobody else is God's only-begotten son and it means that ONLY Jesus is God's only-begotten son. We must carefully regard the significance of this hypocrisy. On one hand, they insist the words "only Son" do mean that only Jesus is God's own son while at the same time they insist the words "only true God" do not mean that only the Father is the true God. But the situation is exactly the same. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Their claim that "only Son" means only Jesus is God's son betrays the fact that they really do know that John 17:3 is telling us only one person is the only true God.

4. The Real Trinitarian Problem

The real problem at hand for the Trinitarians is their implied definition of the word "God" for this verse. They must attempt to suggestively define the word "God" as "the divine ousia" or "the divine nature" since we are here talking about the one God and the oneness of Trinitarian doctrine is the divine nature. To define "God" as the divine nature here in this verse is the only definition of the word "God" which Trinitarians can even attempt:

• The Father is the only true [divine nature]
• The Son is the only true [divine nature]
• The Holy Spirit is the only true [divine nature]

However, this will not even work for them at all. For Jesus to identify the Father as the divine nature would be confusing person and being, a big violation and or something they are not suppose to do in regards to their doctrine, that is, the Trinity. If the Father is identified as the divine nature that would mean Jesus' divine nature is the Father.

5. "You" and "the only true God" are Necessary Equivalent.

When Jesus says, "that they may know You, the only true God," it is quite clear that he intends to say that one is equivalent to the other. "You" = "the only true God." However, the only way Trinitarians can define the word "God" is to define it as "the divine nature." But that would imply that "You" and "Only true God" are equivalent things confusing the what and the who, person and being. Also, the Father is NOT equivalent to the divine nature since that would mean Jesus' divine nature is the Father in Trinitarian doctrine. When it is understood how they are suggestively defining their terms, it becomes clear that they are not making any sense.

6. It's Not About Knowing a Nature but an Identity

Jesus is here referring to knowing God the Father is a personal and intimate way, a personal relationship with God. The words "only true God" are a reference to an identity with whom we can have a relationship. We do not have relationships with natures; we have relationships with persons. And the person we are to have a relationship with here is "the only true God", that is, the Father.

FATHER... that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom YOU sent.

The words "only true God" cannot refer to a divine nature. These words must refer to an identity with whom we can know, that is, with whom we can have an intimate personal relationship. Therefore, just as Trinitarian scholars have already admitted, the Father and "the only true God" are co-extensive interchangeable terms and this excludes all but the Father from identity as the only true God. To have a relationship with the only true God is to have a relationship with the Father. One cannot then say that the only true God is also Jesus with running headlong into the insanity of saying Jesus is the Father.

7. Jesus Christ's Only True God

At John 20:17, Jesus makes it quite clear that his God is to be our God and that God is his Father. At John 17:3, Jesus is in prayer to his God and Father. His Father is his only true God and his only true God is his Father alone and it is this only true God who sent Jesus as he says here. Jesus knows nobody else but his Father as the true God. Hence, we can be certain that when he refers to the Father as "the only true God" in prayer that he means only his Father is the true God. In fact, Jesus does not even need to say it. It is plainly evident quite apart from John 17:3 that nobody else but his Father alone is his God.

 

Conclusion

It is quite plain that the Trinitarian trickery here is to suggestively imply a definition of the word "God" which means "divine nature" so that they can say all three persons are the only true God, that is, all three persons have this one divine nature. However, it is clear that the word "God" is not a nature here but an identity, a person, the Father, with whom we have a personal relationship.

Jesus here identifies his one and only God, the Father alone, as "the only true God," which thereby excludes everyone else including himself.

33 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

but you have failed in providing the scriptural evidence to back your claim that this selection or "door" is shut. Your opinion is fine, but without support, it is still just your opinion. It also matters not if others agree with your opinion, without scriptural support it is an opinion. 

actually you have not, well with scripture I mean. 

I have used Scripture and offered an explanation as to how those who are invited are already chosen, hence the door being shut, but it would seem that is not enough for you apparently. The very fact is, God is the one who invites such ones, as out older fathers have said, God is the one who anoints, and those who have already been chosen, and such ones await what they'll be given.

33 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

I suggest we start a separate thread on this, because it will be much longer then a few exchanges. Unless your mind is too boggled....)

Not really. Because as to what Jesus is the first fruits of, in regards to those who are chosen, as well as those who will remain on the earth itself. And many people know of what this implies, for it is something that is not only known to Jehovah's Witnesses, especially if one is to understands what the New Creation is all about. Such information is quite brief and understandable.

That being said, those of that New Creation are the ones who make up these groups, those who rule alongside the Christ, and those who inherit the earth itself.

If it is a separate thread you want, then by all means, regardless though, what was said is of this topic, mainly when it comes to those among the righteous and the meek.

If anything, I was going to post something to this degree in a few days.

@Brother Rando The fact that he made mention of uninspired verses that had been forged to be true, in addition to using verses out of context, his credibility has literally jumped out the window. Also proves that Trinitarians are totally alien to the oldest source known as the Septuagint.

The irony is everyone and their mother knows about 1 John 5:7, it is known as the greatest forgery done by the Trinitarians, but Trinitarians still struggle on to consider what is uninspired as truth, while some even admit this - but this is one but many forgeries and changes they made.

@JW Insider Unfortunately, in today's world, the churches teach that people go to either heaven or hell, immediately judged upon death. Such ones do not know of what those verses mean or merely confused. They consider those who are to rule alongside the Christ to be symbolic and not to be taken literally, others have a different view, but the majority sticks to the same template.

What many forget is God, who took an abundant amount of time to make the earth, made it for a reason, and it is intertwined with his purpose and will.

23 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

None of the scriptures you cited mention that the "door is shut". I asked you to show me from the Bible where this concept is stated, but you give me a reference to the sealing of Israel. Those scriptures mention nothing of the door being shut. Instead you give me your opinion, which is fine, but it still doesn't answer the question. You can have whatever view you'd like, but if you are going to claim the Bible says such, then you are going to have to prove it with the Bible. 

This is why I stated technically in my last response, in addition to making referring to those that God has chosen liken to an invitation, these people are already identified by God. The door is shut meaning such have already been identified and clearly God does not have need to have such invitations exceed 144,000, however those in the mainstream teach that this number is indeed symbolic and more people would be chosen and this number is render irrelevant, others, believe that this number relates to actual Jews chosen, then you have those who state only them and their tribe(s) is of that number, others think it will take place during the end times tribulations start but this isn't the case in regards to when these people were being picked, but the reality is, those of this fold, are hand picked by God and eventually will be sealed. This is also not my opinion, for it was, my response would be entirely different.

I already have proven such in regards to identification and sealing, like I said, if those of this fold are already chosen, there's no question that 144,000 chosen throughout the centuries down to this day, are clearly awaiting the position they'll be given.

23 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

You and the jws believe this, but I'd like to know where you get this from out of the Bible. I know that the "meek shall inherit the Earth" scripture, but is there another scripture(s) you use to back up this idea? 

The fact that you think only the Jehovah's Witnesses believe this is mind-boggling. They, as well as those who profess the truth of what the Bible says, know that those chosen are the only ones going to Heaven to co-rule alongside God's chosen Messianaic King, who is among the first ones before the 144,000, hence the harvest. Which begs the question, are you even aware of what it means when Jesus is both the firstborn out of the dead and the first fruits of the harvest, the first among those who are asleep?

It is no idea, nor is it a mere opinion, we know of what Jesus is in regards to the New Creation (which is as clear as day in the Revelations of John) itself, as to what he is the first and last of/beginning and end of.

57 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Can you please show me where I used Jeff and his "team". In your view he is a false teacher, ok, so what? If I do not, then again, so what? This again smells of a long typed banter to distract from the topic. This really is getting tiresome Mr. Merchant. 

Going back on this, I am actually in error, confused you for Matt, for at the time I was messaging both you and Matthew96969 regarding Christmas at the same time dealing with Cos, for Matt was the one who brought up Jeff Durbin, a mistake I admit. However, the Christmas practices and the celebration of birth, had indeed been in discussion with you present whereas I was still dealing with Cos regarding church father beliefs, I believe I also made reference to Christians other than JWs who do not practice it, even those who predate them, some who even banned such. That being said, such ones have wised up because they know that Christmas has nothing to do with faith and religious worship of God, and it would seem those who continue to practice and or take part in even the slightest of such puts themselves in a bad position. Furthermore, we have today's Christendom pushing this only to the bible, thinking that the practice of such is in the right, again, false teachers will do such when they themselves know it is wrong, but they do it anyways and practice it, at the same time they will attack those who do not take part in anything regarding the practice of that holiday and or the celebration of one's birth.

And no, it is no distraction, like I said, I was bring very direct in regards to false teachers and prophets. Well since we do have the mention of Jeff Durbin, he is like many others who profess the same thing that is not of the bible, thus pushing people away from what the bible says, in addition puts one in a position to which they themselves do not know truth or remain ignorant of it and eventually be judged.

We have churches today that teach things that do not apply to the early church, the bible, or the very teachings itself, some out there teach an accursed doctrine and these people are not following what the Bible says and will go against anyone who speaks what is true.

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

yes, direct IS what I'd prefer. Can you show me where the Bible states that this door has been shut?

In short, those who have been identified as among the chosen ones, all there is now is such the sealing (Revelations 7:1-8, Revelations 14:1-5). Technically the door is indeed shut, all there is now is to wait it out. But those of await an inheritance that is eternal life, such ones the door is indeed open for them, for there is time for such ones, even those who want to make a change.

The chosen ones, the 144,000, chosen for priesthood, have very special qualities, for we know of this because of the book of Revelation, as with other areas in scripture, mention them as highly favorable to God, mainly due to the position and the role they will play out in the Messianic Kingdom.

Those already identified await to be sealed, such ones are specially selected and of Spiritual Israel. These chosen ones stand on Mount Zion with the Lamb and have the Father's name written on their foreheads. Such ones will sing a song that no one could learn, for that song only the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth can sing. These chosen ones are are virgins and do not defile themselves with women or  that of Babylon. Those chosen are considered the first fruits of God's harvest, moreover, we already know Jesus to be the first of the first fruits regarding God's purpose and will regarding the new heavens, and new earth, new creation called by some and lastly, such ones are guileless.

The scriptures inform us that the angels are holding back the final judgement that will soon be unleashed on to all that is wicked on the earth until 144,000 chosen ones on earth are sealed. (Revelations 7:1-4). We know of what it means to be chosen and or anointed but is not the same as being sealed, for it is - identified already, but clearly on standby to be sealed. Being chosen or anointed by God is like that of an invitation, in addtion, the sealing itself is the like a stamp of approval from God the Father that the one who is chosen proved faithful to what is in store for him.

Furthermore, those who have been chosen through history have had God bear witness that they are invited to join his Son, Jesus, to rule as kings and priests over the earth. God does the final sealing if someone is proven worthy of such a position proves faithful to their calling, after all, only God knows who has been faithful and is clearly the one who has selected such ones for such honorable service.

Many who takes this into consideration know of such things, and in regards to the Jehovah's witnesses, they are just as convinced as we are when it comes to the obvious state of this world of which we are living in, deep into the end times, and it makes sense of what was addressed regarding the door being closed, granted for how long the choosing, soon to be sealed, of such people has been going for, for all we know there is probably a small number left among 144,000 awaiting the seal of approval from God.

Regarding false prophets those, such ones who adhere to teaching traditional non-biblical doctrines handed down to them throughout the centuries by a corrupt and false teachers clearly are not among this fold.

On the other side of the spectrum, you have the billions upon billions of whom will be resurrected, those to take up inheritance of the earth itself free of wickedness, and those who are taken out of death and restored, to be judged.

2 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

I think you just might want to reread some of what you have written in this and other threads. More than just me have this same opinion of your responses. 

Indeed, I tend to say the same thing about myself at times, but information is always key. When it comes to speaking against mainstream Christendom and their ill practices, some misconceptions of something even Christology based, and a list of other things, information must be provided in detail, but from the beginning I only began to put more in my comments/response overtime because of those speaking of misinformation, mainly in the regard of church fathers and or history and no, including you it is but a few. I tend to make a comment to each response and that is what I do, for if 8 points are made, 8 points will be made in response to claim, mainly if other things are mentioned, in addition to information that is actual fact vs of which that is false and or conspiracy filled. Other than that it is common to those of CSE to explain things in this matter. I care not if someone is easily sleeping on what I have to say, I know how I am, but when the information is indeed out there, people do read it, for if little to no information is brought up to a claim or response, how is it can you correct when you lack? 

I know what I have made a response to, at times some errors and mix ups, but the points are always made, even on such topic if something else is brought up, I tend to make a response to it, which was the case with the other user here, who's comments have been moved elsewhere for he had made several claims at once to which I made a response to, only for insider to move it to the other section.

With that being said, those who are chosen await to be sealed, such ones will be with the Christ and serve by his side. Then we have the other group, those who will inherit the earth, which is cleansed of wickedness and such ones are indeed saved, for God knows his people, and there will be those who are unrighteous, such ones will be judged. For there will be many, many people throughout the centuries who will be resurrected, from the first faithful man to the last, and this is something that many people await.

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

You YOURSELF have to realize the context of what I wrote concerning the "letter" that JW Insider has a copy of. 

What does that letter state? Here is a quote from JW Insider 

I am aware of what Insider had posted, but my response was direct to what you have stated. If you want to be direct to the letter, he was talking more specifically on the those chosen for priesthood the door is indeed closed in this regard, as for the others, not of the chosen ones, benefactors of the Spiritual House, the door for eternal life is indeed open still, should they choose to accept it.

EDIT: I believe this should ring some bells, the video that you posted to support your claim.

Clearly, and possibly,  none of us here are of the chosen for priesthood, this includes you, however, eternal life is a possibility, should you choose it by treading carefully to not even lost such a reward by the slightest step that causes stumbling.

So in short - the door will indeed be closed for those of us who do not adhere to God's Word and when it does, it will be too late.

As for the chosen ones, since you want to throw the letter on the table, figuratively speaking, then yes, it is, the chosen ones,  those of the first fruits. That door is indeed close.

You really do not have to be of the Watchtower to know that this is indeed true.

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

please refresh my memory, when did I quote/refer to this Jeff Durbin? I'm not saying I didn't, just want to make sure we are on the same page. 

How can you write so much but yet not address what I mentioned? If you are going to respond to my post,  respond!  

 I think, like another has posted, that you try and write so much that the real topic bets buried under your ramblings about nothing relevant to the topic discussion. 

You brought Jeff and his team, Apologia Studios to make a claim in regards to Christmas festivities and the celebration of one's birth practice, paganism, druidism, etc, to which I had spoken such things are not things a Christian should be doing, for even in the past, I myself brought up those who took issue with such. I made mention of him because he is among the false teachers inside of mainstream Christendom. Indeed it is agreeable you are applying verses, but surely you should have known of any one who is in technically a false teacher, who literally does not stick to the sculpture and God's Law.

I write a lot, possibly due to how fast I can time and what is on my mind that I feel should be said. And I have made a response, it was direct to the very comment you made not too long ago, I didn't address the letter because I thought it would have been obvious to you, but it would seem an explanation of who these chosen ones or these first fruits should be made because it would seem you are possibly not aware of such ones who to be part of the Messianic Kingdom.

No, I always post a response and give an answer with detailed information and example regarding that response for I tend to be as direct as possible. You may think of it as rambling, it does not matter to be because I lack the ability to care at times when something is that minor, however, because you clearly do not want to adhere to what is being said, as it was before, as is now. Oh and it is relevant, Matthew 23:23 has been said, so information in detail can be brought up in a direct response to what you have mentioned.

That being said, the door is closed for those chosen since the number of chosen ones is very limited to 144,000, but the door is and will soon be closed for those who are to inherit that of the New creation, that is, those to be subjects to the Kingdom, the Spiritual House, those who will be given eternal life,  those resurrected, given eternal life, at least those who didn't get the chance to know who God is and who Jesus is, for it is vital (John 17:3)

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

I agree with your statement here, but it is NOT the decision of any religious organization or any man as to when and who it shuts on. This is the part that stuck out in my mind and why it reminded me of that scripture. 

Think about the actual context of Chapter 23 of Matthew. Who was this chapter written about? Do we have "scribes" and "Pharisees" today? 

Last I recall, the Watchtower only have stated that time is indeed short and the end is very near, but even outside of the Watchtower, people are aware that end time and tribulations is and will be upon us and just as in the days of Noah, the doors will be shut and at that time, it will be too late. You yourself have to realize that, for that is pretty much the common conclusion to which people who adhere to scripture will recognize and be aware of. Speaking about Noah, when the door to the Ark have been shut, it was shut by God himself (Genesis 7:16, 17) and clearly when the people who were doing what they do (Luke 17:27) became suspect, it was already too late. The same can be said for Sodom and Gomorah whereas as to their counterpart, Nineveh, wised up when God sent Jonah.

Indeed, there are false ones out there, some far worse than others, who derive people away from what the Bible says, this is also said in Luke 11:42. Among them would be pastors, teachers, even church goers themselves who push something that is not of the Bible, those who not only follow God's Laws, but such ones who preach and attempt to convince others not to follow God's Laws, in addition, that of which Jesus had entrusted the church to do. We have such ones who apply Traditions of Men into the church, for if I last recall, I will take an example of a pastor you brought up before, Jeff Durbin, known as the Hipster Pastor by some, also known as a voice actor for one of the most violent video games out there that resulted in the whole ESRB rating. The current churches of our day teach that Jesus Christ is God, when the bible says otherwise, they practice things that are not biblical yet call themselves Christians, the list goes on and on when it comes to false prophets, but out of the fold, there are those who strive to do what is true and seek what is true and for that reason true Christians do not mess around with such ones, but should any falsehood be made against the latter, a correction is to be made.

At the same time, one has to be have to be very mindful of those who actually attempt to seek what the truth is or attempt to follow it because any misstep can put you before God's throne for judgement, the very reason by my stance is pretty much neutral and not being gullible to misconceptions.

Furthermore, false ones are deemed hypocrites or make claims of 100% inspiration when they do something other than what the bible says, or that of the first church of the early Christians.

For there is  big line between those who stray away from actually attempting to seek what is true and on the other side there are those who do their best to follow what the bible says while seeking truth, just as there is no middle ground here, it is in the same regard for both life and death.

@tromboneck Unfortunately, people of mainstream Christendom do not take the bible seriously. They think all this adding Levite Laws, these celebrations that have nothing to do with God, man made traditions into the church, etc, further proves the seriousness is not there, for simply being good is not enough, and it most certainly will not help if we have the mainstream turning churches into circuses and molding things of the world into said churches.

@Shiwiii The doors will eventually close, to not realize what is to come very soon only shows that people are sleeping on this matter as if it is water under the bridge. The very reason why there is time for people, for such is indeed Life or Death, this has not changed, and it is known that God has not changed on what his purpose and will entails for the righteous and meek, and what is to come for those who do not adhere to what he requires, what his Word says or his Laws.

The very reason those who are aware are vigilant, enduring, sacrificing, and the list goes on.

Simply being good, is not going to cut it, for there is a lot that is required in building and maintain faith, just as a bodybuilder takes care of his or her body, to maintain muscle and the like by means of exercise, rest and nourishment, the same applies for faith and adhering to what the bible says.

@Anna Unfortunately, this Trinitarian, Jesus Deserter, is very dense and clearly unable to adhere to what the bible really says.

11 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

That is not slander. He CLEARLY is.

Clearly you are very dense on what is said.

11 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Yes He did and i showed you the references. But you say those references have been corrupted or added, but you cant PROVE that excuse.

Jesus never has claimed to be God at all, nor has he said anything to this regard, and like I said, his position between God and men, the very fact that Jesus professed the law that is a clear acknowledgment of the one who professes has a God, disproves everything and anything you say.

I have proved it, and I can do it again, but you will make the same response over and over, for this is common among you Trinitarians, for when proven wrong, you keep going, like a broken record, that is why I compared you to Bob The Builder, for when proven wrong, you resort to all the mental gymnastics and silliness to evade what is being asked and or push a claim that is 100% false.

Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus never referred to himself as God, Jesus never took plunder to or to be regarded as God.

I doubt you can find any verse that we see Jesus verbally claiming he is God or that he is the Father, for everything when put to the test and or challenged, Jesus refers to himself as the Messiah, the one who has been sent by the Father, and or that he is God's Son.

The sad reality is, even demons know who Jesus is, and clearly demons cannot be in the presents of God regardless, but knowing that Jesus is sent by the Father, you can see how Jesus dealt with them, even shutting them up.

That being said you've yet to prove anything, but you rely on the butchered works of others to push your claim anyways, for it is evident you cannot express anything on your own expect deceitfulness and hatred.

11 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Check out my other postings, Of course Jesus WHILST ON EARTH had a God. Would you expect Him to be an ATHEIST?! LOL.

The weak atheist joke is very stale. Jesus as a child was born into the law and the law requires that he learned about His God who is his Father, the very reasons why Jesus said what he said in Mark 12:28-34 when he spoke with the scribes. Jesus always quotes what is written because anything that is written is of the law, but seeing what you have stated before, you do not believe in anything that is written or what Jesus said is written, hence what you posed days ago.

Indeed, Jesus did have a God and that God is his Father, the one who abides in him and does the works, and yet you call Jesus God when there is only one, and that one God is the Father - not Jesus.

That is why we are encouraged, even told in scripture to thank God, the Father for our Lord Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:3), and it does not stop only at this verse, for Paul was quite explicit on what he had written to the churches and its congregation.

God's own testimony further proves that no one is equal to him or above him, for he is the only God (Joel 2:27 along with CR)

You are grown, no need for this LOL all caps nonsense.

11 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Of course Jesus was Gods' son. That doesn't mean He was not also God the son.

According to the verse that comes out of the bible, Jesus is indeed God's Son. We find this passage of which I had quoted in the following gospel account.

• Matthew 27:54 -  When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

references being Mark 15:39 and Luke 23:47.

The verses say it clearly, as well as explicitly over and over of who Jesus truly is, the Son of God. To make the claim that Jesus is God and seeing him cry out to His God is absurd. Trinitarians will see this passage as some scooby-doo mystery nonsense, but the Bible makes it very clear. Deserter, you make it very obvious that you are keeping your eyes closed, and your so called exegesis has nothing to show for it.

11 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

If you are not willing to discuss them one at a time or reject them or ignore them, i will no longer bother with you.

You are deceitful, devious, brainwashed and ignorant.

I am willing, but I make a response to every point you make, if you want to keep it focused on one thing, stop addressing multiple things at once.

You call me deceitful? That is cute. For last I check, you believe that God can die, when the Bible says God is incorruptible. You believe Jesus to be God when Jesus says he is the Son. You believe Thomas sees Jesus as God, when we know of Thomas' situation and the very fact he was with Mary on the day Lazarus was brought back to life, witnessing Mary saying the following: She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”, read up on John chapter 11. You believe the Holy Spirit to be God but the Spirit is not even a Person, you also commit a gross error when you believe that this so called person of yours was present to people like Mary, Zechariah, and several others. You believe in a 4th God also, the Spoken Word, but fall on your back and roll around like a madman ranting about a Triune God, when the reality is, there is only one God and that is the Father. You push verses out of context to fit your belief, yet any man or woman can see, with context to the passage of the truth and nothing but the truth. You also bring forth ignorance, because you do not know what the Bible says and apply weak and silly exegesis as well as man made understanding into the verses of which you put out of context.

As for brainwashing: Jesus.Defender ".... The Father is God, Jesus is God, Holy Spirit is God" and according to the Trinity, the Spoken Word is also God. You speak of 3 and allude to a fourth, but go back and contradict yourself and say only the Father is God, you are zig zagging even your own claims, friend. At this rate, you make the late cult of Attis members from ancient Asia Minor times look like heroes - and that is not a good thing.

Nothing more than a Deserter, and another Bob the Builder, just like him, you are slandering left and right that will make even the most experience one cringe at your errors.

With that being said, you have not proven anything, the only thing you have proven is the falsehood of the Trinitarian belief, the same goes for your modalistic counterparts.

Also, @Anna is correct on what she had said. You only deem her as wrong because what she had said has already made you beneath that of a fool who does not know what he is talking - a worm beneath notice, as they say.

The only deceit, brainwash ignorant tom foolery that is being expressed is only by you, as for the other person @Brother Rando, you only say such to him because of his faith and the group he follows. He is right, but what you only see his the name of his group and nothing more, hence your response. The irony he, all that he had said is of the bible, but you fail to see that because like I said, you keep your eyes shut on what the bible teaches.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Hang on, one thing at a time.

slander?

Please be more specific. WHO have i slandered? Please quote.

Perhaps look at what you started with before this discussion came into play. In addtion to that, you boast about Jesus being God when he is clearly not.

Jesus never claimed to be God, never considered to be or take plunder of God (according to Paul), and Jesus was a born Jew of the Law, who professed his Father is his God.

If you have forgotten, when Jesus was crucified he said this: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me)

Those who saw this even recognized what he was saying, let alone who Jesus was, a few verses later, Certainly this was God’s Son.

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5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Like i said to your buddy, you can chant your mantra about the trinity as much as you want. Does not make it true.

Go to my new thread and address the 4 passages i mentioned.

But, you won't. I know.

wiccan? LOL. You don't know what you are talking about.

I have gone to your threads it what I see is a one-sided warzone in combination with verses of which you bring up, of which you bare no understanding of and apply man man understanding and exegesis to fit your belief of a Triune God.

Other that that, a majority of threads I do check, I choose to comment if need be, and it will always be the same, one denying what is true and what is deemed false.

I stated Wiccan because the biggest voices of JW opponents consist of pangans, Trinitarians, and atheists. The Wicca/Wiccans is a pagan practice, the irony is, such ones, like yourself, still follow these people because they share the same hate as you do.

That is funny though, someone such as yourself considers what is being said as a mere mantra, further proves my point, that Trinitarians lack biblical hermeneutics.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Yes, those who recognize they are sinners and are born again have their sins blotted out. They are STILL sinners and still sin, though.

Which begs to question, do you even know what it means to be Born Again or the very origins of Baptism itself?

John the Baptist didn't just baptize people for nothing, there is a deep history as to why he does it, in addition to all that is regarding repentance.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

That's NOT what the text says. It says Jesus created ALL things. It does NOT say Jesus created ALL things in the Genesis Act of Creation.

You may want to re-check that passage regarding John's Introductory. The response of yours just further proves, you lack knowledge of what the Bible says.

What I say is indeed true and it is fact: John 1:1 - This verse speaks of the Genesis Act of Creation, hence verses 3-6 and the mention John the Baptist several

• (1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) He was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (4) In him was life, and the life was the light of men. (5) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

We know in the very beginning God created everything and he created everything by means of this one, his Son, for all that God had made is done through His Son, the very reason why Jesus himself marveled at what his Father had done, for God the Father took delight in His Son, as if Proverbs can make that any clearer.

An honest exploration of the Word in John 1:1 is the Word proclaimed through Jesus in his ministry as seen in the four gospel accounts and the Word he proclaimed was the proclamation of God the Father Himself, "the Word was God." The funny thing is you missed want the Torah even states as seen in Deuteronomy 18:18.

He who had seen Jesus had seen the Father in terms of the things Jesus did. God is Life (for God is the Living God) and Jesus fully expressed that Life in the very words he spoke and the works he did, again, God put HIS Word in this Prophet's mouth, the very Word of which THIS Prophet speaks (Deuteronomy 18:18 once again, Deserter).

God is Truth and Jesus fully expressed that Truth by everything he had said and everything he had done. God is Light and Jesus fully expressed the Light of the Father in all the words he spoken and works he did in the name of his God, hence why Jesus, who proclaims the Father, is also called the Light. God is Love and the flesh, the man, named Jesus fully expressed the Father's Love, the same man who had been crucified for your sins. The Word of God was something Jesus always kept. The Word became flesh, that is, the man named Jesus. Jesus came so that we might know the Father and Jesus fully expressed the Father in all the things he did because he always kept His Father's Word (His Spoken Word). Jesus' words and works were not his own but the Father's, for Jesus does and always had done the Will of His Father. The Word is God for Jesus had proclaimed it, in addition to why he is called the Word because he was the one to Speak what came from God and did not do this on his own originality, but everything done and said in the name of his God and Father.

• (6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. (7) He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. (8) He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. (9) The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. (10) He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.

It is very obvious that John the Baptist was not alive, didn't even exist during the Genesis Act of Creation. Trinitarians will like to point out the first several verses, but when they get from verse 3 and onward, they shy away pretty quickly because the mention of John when they want to stick to the very beginning, let alone any mention of Houtos and Autos. We know Jesus is not only the Light because of His Father, but Jesus is also the Light of men, for he came into this world that was made through him. Apostle Paul also makes this very clear also.

Nowhere in chapter 1 of John stated that Jesus made everything, for it it had, it would contradict many, many things. For we clearly see that God made everything through him, by means of him, which is also stated many times in scripture, to think otherwise is being hypocritical.

• (11) He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. (12) But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (13) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

This one is pretty evident, for it is informing us in regards to Jesus' time on earth and how the people reacted to what he had to say, some who believed and have been positive with him, and on the other side of the spectrum, those who were clearly against him, were very negative towards him, even wanting him dead. I really need not say much of this because this is very obvious.

• (14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (15) (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”)

We know this prophet to be Jesus, the very man who speaks God's Word, for indeed the Word is God the Word who proclaims the Word is the flesh, Jesus, and if we are to apply Jewish Law (Law of the Jews) Jesus is technically godlike/a god pertaining to what God the Father had said regarding his Sons, in addition to those on earth, as well as His only-begotten, I believe I made mention of this before prior to you going coo-coo for Jehovah's Witnesses.

Therefore, what I say is truth, the very reason why Trinitarians do not read in between verses in John Chapter 1 is very, very evident, this goes for the manuscript cherry picking a couple of verses down the line.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Yes, and Jesus is the Word.

Seems you are learning, however you have yep to grasp what is being said. The very reason Trinitarians do not speak as much of God's Spoken Word, otherwise it would make them look as though they believe in 4 Gods.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Amen, we may know the Word is God. Jesus is the Word.

As I said, you have yet to understand.

For God's Spoken Word is of God. The flesh who proclaims the Father speaks God's Word, hence as to why Jesus is called the Word of God. That is why I bring up Deuteronomy 18:18, there is other verses I left out on purpose for a reason because Trinitarians fail to make acknowledgement of what is seen in the Torah because it would backfire on them. Unlike your people, I do not shy away from what is true.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Again, DONT direct me to another thread or link, please.

Unfortunately I have to because you keep spouting the same thing over and over again, and such a thing I had address, and I even provide what the bible speaks of to further my point. You do not see past John 10:30, John 1:1 or John 20:28 for context, you accept As Is because it benefits your belief, for truth causes your belief to scatter like a piece of ice, smashed on to solid pavement.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

So, you are saying that Thomas merely believed what Jesus taught. So Jesus taught that He was God. Yes, to see Jesus IS to see the Father because Jesus is God and the Father is God.

Clearly you do not understand what Thomas was stating at all, the very reason why the whole seeing is believing was even the thing, you clearly ignore what was said prior to Jesus meeting with Thomas because it only paints you as a lair.

The very reason I linked the my own thread by means of biblical hermeneutics.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Thomas addresses Jesus as ‘My Lord and my God’, thus recognizing Jesus as Jehovah God the Son. Jesus commended Thomas on his belated acknowledgement of Jesus as God.

No. Thomas said what he said because he did not believe, he was not present when Jesus had risen and roamed about and even when the Disciples told him, he was still in disbelief, only when Jesus appeared, he understood clearly of what Jesus had taught him, if you have forgotten, Thomas indeed followed Jesus before he was killed, he was also present when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life and was very aware of what Mary had said.

Ah and yes, Jesus is indeed the Son of the Most High, and no Jesus didn't command Thomas, we see what Jesus had said the following verse. What part of Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe, did you not understand?

We later see in the next verse Jesus performing more signs for his followers of which is is not known and or written in the scroll, this is why John 21:25 says hat it says.

6 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Now, what is the Jewish penalty for blasphemy? Stoning to death. So, If Jesus is not God, this statement should of resulted in a stoning.

You do realize what Jesus called those who are clearly influenced by Satan, do you? You also fail to read further on as to what Jesus himself had said.

7 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

So, did Jesus pick up stones? No, Jesus commended Thomas for believing that Jesus was both Lord and God.

You just said before God is the Father and that Jesus is God's Son - you tend to contradict yourself, that is common, for even the most lost among the Trinitarian Koopa Troop. And No, Jesus, especially in that state and indoors, was unable to pick up any stone, for if you read the Bible, you would realize that the Disciples came first and Jesus appeared out of nowhere before them at Thomas' dwelling.

If Thomas indeed believed Jesus is God he would have said something when Mary even stated Jesus is God's Son. Thomas didn't believe that the Christ had risen and for Jesus to appear, having Thomas examine the wounds up close, now coming to the realization that His Lord had indeed risen and that what Jesus had said regarding the Father, was indeed true, the very reason why he said My Lord and my God, if you want to go full blown out original text, the Lord of me and the God of me.

The funny thing though, several verses back, we have Jesus calming he has a God, who is his Father prior to meeting with Thomas.

7 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Thomas wasn’t calling Jesus ‘a god’; he was calling Jesus his Lord and his God. If Jesus was not Almighty God, He would have corrected Thomas by saying something like, ‘No, I am just a god, a lesser god. Jehovah is the only true God. You must not put me in Jehovah’s place. Only Jehovah may be called my Lord and my God.’ But Jesus said no such nonsense. He commended Thomas for recognizing Him as the true God. If Thomas said ‘My Lord and my God’ as an emotional exclamation of astonishment, as

No he was not saying "a god", now you are just evading. Your biggest problem you have to address now is you claim that Jesus is being called here, a few verses back, Jesus claimed to have a God, that is, the Father, fact. You have just proven here you belief in more than one God.

Jesus said to her [Mary], “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Clearly, Thomas was not present. Where was he? Chillin' at his dwellings, only to later be met with the other disciples, who had already known about the risen Christ, and when he was told about the situation, he stated he does not and never will believe it, then suddenly the man himself, appears out of nowhere in their midst, despite the doors being locked and not even opened up, out of the blue and calm he tells them may you have peace. The disciples already knew for it was no surprise, but this indeed surprised Thomas, would else would have surprised Thomas?

Indeed Yahweh is the true God he is Lord, Jesus is Lord, Abraham is Lord, David is Lord, the list goes on, but the only one is above all, even above Jesus, is God the Father.

Of course Thomas was in awe and in shock, he didn't believe that Jesus had risen - Seeing is Believing and happy is the one who sees and believes.

That being said, everything and anything I have stated on my thread regarding that ONE verse, you cannot refute at all, which is seen by the obvious evading by throwing in the a god or godlike verses when the subject of the matter is My God.

I would also like to address that Jesus had called the Father His God several times in the Bible.

My Lord and My God! Thomas finally believes, for he now sees and takes into account what Jesus had taught plain and simple.

7 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

I am going to start more precise threads on the main passages that JW's use to imply that Jesus is not God.

It is not Jehovah's Witnesses you have to worry about. Your biggest concern is the majority of those who are not for the Trinity and its falsehood and its clear tampering of the Bible. You can speak ill all day about others, but there is enough proof to paint you as false.

No man is going to believe Jesus is God or the Holy Spirit, or the mysterious forth person that some of you guys allude to, therefore, such things must be spoken against and refuted.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Great, ONE verse that we can discuss.

That is what I addressed before.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

I keep saying i give up on you, yet i still come back to you. Strange how much i love you despite your rudeness and obnoxiousness.

Must be the cologne, Joop is a primary preference and no, I am very strict, critical nowhere am I obnoxious or rude. For if I last recall, you rants is very evident to JWs here, you call me rude, yet you shed Christian Infighting tactics and antics, come on now, Deserter.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

1 John 4:1. "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

To that verse, i say AMEN.

I am not a prophet. I have never CLAIMED to be a prophet.

Ok, we know what the verse is, you want to discuss it, yet you barely said anything at all. You have to do better than that. Those who want to learn the Bible are not going to take tolerant that from you and in the realm of hermeneutics, it will not be tolerant and it will be confuted the second it is seen.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

But, the anti-Christian cult you love to defend DO claim to be a prophet and HAVE presented false prophecies.

JWs, as said before, are Restorationist, a Christian group do are not of the mainstream. The irony here is, the source of which you take most of your information from is an advocate for wanting Jehovah's Witnesses not only to be like the mainstream, but to abandon Laws of which Go had made, in addition to abandoning what Jesus had entrusted the church.

As for prophecies, the Jehovah's Witnesses never have claimed to be inspired, for they are simply lowly followers of the Word and take into regard of who and what God is, and take into account his purpose and will, just as Jesus have. Moreover, any man who follows the bible 100% is deemed a cultist by the mainstream, for the mainstream is known to cherry-pick and spout falsehood compared to a bible strict individual who speaks nothing but the truth, both Restorationist individuals, as well as a group, for it is primarily the JWs as a Restorationist group for the others have fallen to the mainstream, follow the Bible strictly, therefore, when one studies their Christology, they understand of where they are coming from, I am not going to take the banter from a man who claims they deny Jesus, or those who claim JWs have a weapons cache and poison in the basement of their Churches, that is absurd, an the only people to believe such are JW opponents, apparent you do also, for you adhere to what a Wiccan follower is putting on the website of the opposing side to JWs.

As for Cults, I know a cult when I see one and throughout my life and experience, I had seen firsthand of what a cult who uses the bible to bring forth underground sex rings, making militants and or brides out of children, the killing of animals and the drinking of their blood, the list goes on, for the bunny hole is very deep, some of such that I know cannot be say will make the any man or woman here cringe to think of such that actually exist. On the other side of the spectrum, there is parts of the world, such cults that perform rituals and the like whereas influence and or manifestation of an evil spirit is actually possible, which was the case with a story I had stumbled upon a few years back regarding a Christian youth group that had quite the surprise during nightfall.

That being said, you no very little compared to someone such as myself who had seen, heard the testimony of others regarding such things, some of which, relatives and fiends have been affected by such things to a grander scale, leaving them scarred or literally ripped to shreds by those who practice this stuff, a friend of mind, who lost a cousin of his for those who practice such have killed her in the most brutal way possible.

So when we speak of real Anti-Christians and Cults, clearly you haven't really understand the grave scale of the wicked on the earth, what power it has and what it can do, therefore, real Christians need to endure and remain vigilant and maintain their faith, for as seen in Jude, maintaining our faith, our salvation is a hard fight when it comes to the truth.

Other than that, I am neutral with those who are also seeking truth because any mistake can put one such as myself in front of the white throne, and such a risk I, or anyone isn't willing to take. But idling about I do not, for anyone who speak of mistruths and conspiracy, such ones will be dealt with, and even ones who adhere to a false teaching, pushing their false truths and man made understanding into the bible, these persons will not be refuted, they will be confuted with actual information of what the Bible says, in addition to a correction to making false claims to one's Christology, ESPECIALLY when such ones use false bible verses to push the Triune God belief, in addition to twisting inspired verses to push said belief. Clearly, that does not sit well with me, or anyone who is bible strict  and a response and correction will be made.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

But all you can say is "these have been refuted before".

If you actually have read this section and what was posed, you'd understand, therefore, I have stated, this has been refuted before.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

I am not american so i have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Yet you adhere to what the mainstream teach about the bible, for they believe not only the Father as God, but they believe Jesus as God and they believe the Holy Spirit is God, perhaps a forth God also, for Trinitarians also believe that God's Spoken Word is also God. In addition to that, you adhere to an obvious faith opponent who clearly hates not just Jehovah's Witnesses, but the Bible as well, which is very evident to the hypocrisy and the conspiracy spreading.

And no, you would not know what this enemy is because you tend to stick to solely attacking Jehovah's Witnesses, for you, not even applying what 1 John 4:1 even means, over and over again.

The true enemy is what your following/group adheres to and only them, for if you were truly vigilant, you'd realize what a danger such a threat is, and such has originated from both Israel and the Vatican, it's power is stronger in America because anyone can easily be swayed to follow such, it will not be a surprise if you yourself adhere to it for such ones follow the Trinity, just as yourself. If a poor man in the EU can see this threat, you cannot spout any excuses.

That being said, a Zebra has no idea that a Lion is nearby, and before you know it, it is too late, which seems to be the case when the devil is seeking to devour someone.

5 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Our enemy is satan. And unfortunatly, he is very good at his job.

Indeed, somehow he manage to get people to think of Jesus being God, when we see in the Bible, Satan already knew that the Messiah, Jesus is the Son of God. Moreover, our early Christian brothers and sisters of the early church knew the Father as the only God and Jesus as his Son, never made any mention of the Holy Spirit being a Person, years down the road, there was the whole debate of Jesus being God or not, and an unholy alliance between the Trinitarians and the Modalist which lead to a brutal death of a man who clearly had a different view than them, eventually, his followers were threaten with death and as time passes, an Emperor came around and would kill any man who didn't adhere to the Trinity, therefore, forcing people into the belief, it does not stop there either, we had such ones twist the bible in order to justify slavery, the killing of anyone deemed un-christian, the support of polygamy, etc, while those who know their bible had to remain in total secrecy as all this was going down.

Now we have the present day, for the Trinity is dominant, only like a fire, those who adhere to bible truths will make themselves known, be it those in a group or individuals, and God recognizes such people who knows what the Bible is all about.

Lord knows what should the end time and tribulations come, and what the Trinitarians will do, but surely, they will be quite the gnashing of the teeth.

As for you, I am critical against you because clearly you are not ignorant, you possibly do not know any better, but the response seen by you makes me very skeptical, but you are not as different as other Trinitarians who are clearly lost, the very reason I brought up the Bob the Builder guy, for you express the same way as him, he is like this in person.

@Jack Ryan And? If what they're doing contributes to the Great Commission, what seems to be the problem? For this is what people look to, if any money made by said group contributes to the spreading of the good news gospel.

@JW Insider Probably, but these groups are increasing in numbers as the months go on by. The interfaith situation consist of many religious leaders Deepak Chopra, 14th Dalai Lama, Thich Nhat Hanh and many more, who have sided with the Pope and the UN in regards to the conquest for peace and security, as well as political figures, who also joined in. But these events being held by these groups we will have to wait and see the numbers, but it is already kind of obvious that they are growing because the mainstream tends to teach younger ones about the Trinity, that Jesus is God at an early age and those that think otherwise are denying Jesus (for they only say this when you speak against the Trinity concept), they even have camps for children as to which they teach this stuff.

Yeah, this is true. The Pope is known as the most influential out of the large list of religious leaders so any talks about unity for they all believe in the same thing, it is very easy to sway people to his side likes flies to honey, in addition to the high political following he also has since he is very close with such leaders. That being said, such ones like to gain more converts by means of such events, I can already tell that when October comes around there will be a lot of talk, both positive and negative.