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9 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
The problem is ..... the people who THINK they know the right answers .... and keep everything they do hidden in back rooms under a veil of secrecy .... DON'T.
That's why their proceedings MUST be kept secret.
So they will not be exposed as self-serving, self-aggrandizing frauds.
This applies to EVERYBODY, inside and outside of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It gets way deeper than that friend, for the Justice System has its ways with the rich, people of color, religious figures, and or those who are deemed an enemy in the eyes of the so called Christian nation who are for their own ideologies of the faith and their believe in the Justice system and the government.
The Jehovah's Witnesses, any faith of Non-Trinitarianism, any faith who are not for what is to come that the Christian nation who dwell in government and politics so gladly accepted, are categorized as targets, only few in the Justice System do not buy into such things, but the majority does.
It applies to everybody, yes, but a person of a specific status, background and or worth changes things that can benefit in favor of and or disfavor of the Justice System itself - history repeats itself, and I believe it has done so just recently, yesterday.
In the end however, those who do bad things will get hat is coming for them, but it amazes me how the plans of a now long-dead woman is in full force with such things infiltrating the churches. Makes you think what is to come in the next several years regarding the whole one government, one religion, one education system talk.
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On 4/22/2018 at 5:34 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
I do read my Bible, but I use common sense in doing so.
 The KJV mentions Unicorns 9 times, but does not mention cookie making Keebler Elves, not even once.
Coincidence?
Ah, now you remind me, as a child, I loved Keebler Cookies, liked the M&M's ones too.
Anyways, as far as I know Unicorns is but one mention in the scriptures, mainly the KJV/NKJV translations. I know the others, but time and time again the Unicorn one has been brought up a lot, mainly with those who are only familiar with the fantasy Unicorn whereas not many people are aware of what Rhinos were called back in the day. I blame such on Disney and the Brony community.
This picture sums up the Brony Community who are Unicorn/Phony Fanatics:
People can have their fun, but sometimes it tends to go on a bit on the extreme level.
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That being said, I agree with your comment, and now the sudden reminiscing of keebler cookies.
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Other then that, the person who reads their bible would know what a Unicorn is in regards to Rhinos, but someone who reads the bible, dare I say the KJV, and stumbles across any verse that speaks of Unicorns, they will probably chuckle, perhaps laugh with an obvious thought in mind, as well as a hint of confusion.
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As for the Holy Spirit, it is as it is implied in the bible and the very scriptures as well as the oldest source of what the bible is based on. Even after Jesus' death people tend to get confused about what the Holy Spirit actually is, some would come to the conclusion that it is a person with its own mind or something like that. But the bible makes it clear of what the Holy Spirit is and what it can and cannot do - anyone who says otherwise, clearly has not given clear research on what it is in the bible itself, I would go off into detail, but that would be for another time, for when I start rolling, it is as if I am writing a book with every attention to detail.
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On 4/22/2018 at 7:07 AM, Queen Esther said:
Its very simple sister @Cos..... Our funny brother Rook is sometimes joking
  And of sure, he is daily reading in the Bible??? We are all special, little different JW....  thats normal in all countries, bec. we are imperfect people, with the same goal ! Thank you...
Best wishes and greetings from far away Germany??? Agape!
True. However I believe I addressed that Unicorn thing a while back though. The bible also speaks, well in this case in the KJV/NKJV, of Satyrs as well. Well not here, but elsewhere on this forum.
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I was serious. I am still awaiting on said claims of which you stated. Since that topic was indeed about 1 John 4:1, bear in mind such error begets this verse to be easily without a shred of effort, to be used against you - should these claims of yours turn out to be false, hence still the sources of which you said such remains to be seen.
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In the end it all boils down to Church Discipline and Rules, Laws of the Land and what such laws consist of for they vary in each state, especially in regards to child abuse, and exemptions.
Mind you, this is a place that Child Marriage is a thing there whereas the rate is in the 10k, the age to marry is 15-16 with judicial approval being set for all minors, in addition with paternal offer consent being enabled, be it the minor is and or becomes pregnant or not.
It is hurdles like that that makes things far complex to deal with, mainly in regards to the abused.
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This was already talked about waaaaay before the JWs were banned, mainly with how the FSB has been "leveling up", so to speak with more power being given to them.
But as I said time and time again, there is a lot going on in the EU, let alone Asian countries and Russia that many people are not even aware of or even bother to really do the research.
In Russia, when FSB want you, they get you.
They are quite serious too, example, they took this guy from his home in front of his wife and daughter, mind you, they were sawing his door down, and also roughed him up when he was captured by the FSB.
The name of this man is Vyacheslav Maltsev, he is not a fan of the Kremlin and speaks of their corruption, this incident took place back in Nov. 3-5, 2017, during the time the JWs were being banned, the kidnappings in Chechnya and the massive anti-corruption protest as well as Russians protesting to save their homes.
His story can be read here on the (Not Kremlin Controlled Media:Â https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-fsb-arrests-suspected-extremists-ahead-revolution-anniversary/28833551.html
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I think recently today they had crossed paths with Russian Jehovah's Witnesses and had assault rifles trained on them, for they suspected the so called extremist practicing their faith to themselves.
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On 4/25/2018 at 3:01 AM, Gone Away said:
Your assertions seem to lack logical and scriptural substance.
Why would the boldness of these words have significance? And what connection does this have with nature of the one uttering such words?
David, a creature, who ruled in Jehovah's name and sat on Jehovah's throne referred to that Messianic kingdom as "my kingdom". (2Sam.3:28)
The Israelites put faith in Jehovah and in Moses, a creature, (Ex14:31) and this at the encouragement of Jehovah himself! (Ex.19:9)
Jehosaphat, a creature, encouraged the inhabitants of Jerusalem to put faith Jehovah's prophets , other creatures. (2Chr.20:20).
Peter, a creature, encouraged fellow Christians to have love for the whole association of brothers (creatures) which included himself. (1Pet.2:17)
And of course, the Lord Jesus made it clear that love for fellow Christians, creatures, which he exemplified, would identify his true followers. (John 13:34-35).
When you tell someone something in one ear, it goes out the other. The same can be said when it comes to critical hermeneutics of bible scriptures.
Sadly people with this type of reasoning results in stuff like this - making those who read the bible and understand, and applying it, are made to look like a joke because of the actions of others, who also read the bible but are not up there in hermeneutics and understanding, and or lack biblical understanding of things:
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On 4/24/2018 at 9:34 PM, Cos said:
The Scriptures show that Jesus claimed other prerogatives of God as well. Jesus even made direct claims. We note, in examining the Gospels, that the claims become more explicit in the latter stages of His ministry. In the beginning He allowed the people to draw inferences about Him from the power of His moral teaching and His miracles. In the later portions, however, the focus is much more upon Himself.
You have to be more specific, otherwise this cannot be taken seriously. If I am not mistaken others have done miracles also and believed in the teachings that originated from the Father, which are indeed bible accounts and or passages, in addition to that, even false ones have been able to do the same thing in terms of so called miracles - we know this because of Matthew 24:24, which reads:
For false christs and false prophets (cf. Mt. 7:15, 2 Pe. 2:1) will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (cf. Mt. 7:22,23;2 Thess. 2:9)
On 4/24/2018 at 9:34 PM, Cos said:In Matthew 25:31-46 He speaks of judging the world. He will sit on His glorious throne and divide the sheep from the goats. The power of judging the spiritual condition and assigning the eternal destiny of all people belongs to Him.
Certainly this is something which only God can exercise.
- Matthew 28:18 - God Given Authority and Power
- Hebrews 1 - Jesus Christ having been exalted by God the Father
and several other verses, which have already been mentioned.
If God gave Jesus said authority, surely God the Father is capable of doing such also, which seems to be the case, expressed heavily in the Hebrew old Testament, for instance, God's authority and power in regards to the situation with Moses and the family of Korah, God's actions against those who do bad things, those who practice bad things, Ahaz for instance, and how by means of his authority and power, as well as applying His Justice, and the like - even to young Jews when they recite the Old Testament, they learn of who God is and what his Authority and Power entails, and such was a practice into the days of Jesus, after his death and even in present day.
In the same case, if the Boss of a company gave an very experienced employee the authority and power to hire and fire someone, change the shifts and tasks of someone, even down to pay raises and promotion, it does not make the experienced employee who has such a position higher than the Boss, who in turn, can and will do those things regardless, for he is, of course, the boss.
The same thing applies to God the Father, Yahweh/Jehovah to the Son, His Son, Jesus/Yehoshua.
On 4/24/2018 at 9:34 PM, Cos said:The authority which Jesus claimed and exercised is also clearly seen with respect to the Sabbath.
The sacredness of the Sabbath had been established by God (Exod. 20:8-11). Only God could abrogate or modify this regulation. Yet consider what happened when Jesus’ disciples picked heads of grain on the Sabbath, and the Pharisees objected that the Sabbath regulations (at least their version of them) were being violated.
And then what is a missed here is the mention of the New Covenant, which came into affect after the death of the Christ.
We know this because of what God had announced, by means of Shaliah Principle, by means of the prophet Jeremiah, that there would be a new covenant - Jeremiah 31:31-34; and Hebrew 8:13. Years later, on the basis of Christ’s death, the old covenant was canceled out, thus paving a way for the new one - Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:12; 9:15 and Ac 2:1-4.
God, our creator and Father in Heaven foretold this himself - we must not ignore The New Covenant.
On 4/24/2018 at 9:34 PM, Cos said:Jesus responded by pointing out that David had violated one of the laws by eating of the bread reserved for the priests. Then, turning directly to the situation at hand, Jesus asserted: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28). He was clearly claiming the right to redefine the status of the Sabbath, a right which belongs only to God. <><
What?
This is what these 2 verses means. Jesus uses and applies the expression (Lord of the Sabbath) to himself, we know this because of these verses:
Matthew 12:8 - For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”
Luke 6:5 - And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”
Which pertains to Mark 2:27 and 28.
With that knowledge, it is an indicating that the Sabbath was at his disposal, for the work he was commanded to do - a command that he followed of which the Father, his God, had commanded the Christ to do, we know this because of what we see here:
John 5:19 - So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.
John 10:37, 38 - If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father."
And we know the teachings of Jesus was not of his own, but of the one who sent him, His God and Father in Heaven, as Jesus said in
John 14:10 - Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
On the Sabbath, Jesus performed some outstanding miracles, which included healing those who are sick - Luke 13:10-13, John 5:5-9, 9:1-14. This is a total foreshadowing of what he, Jesus Christ, will bring during His Kingdom rule, to a similar degree, like a sabbath rest:
Hebrews 10:1 - For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and He came to fulfill the law not break it.
Jesus and Disciples Pluck and Eat Grains on the Sabbath
The Law is concise about the Sabbath (Leviticus 23, Deuteronomy. 5) and makes a general statement not to work. Plucking grains on your neighbor's property was permitted by the Law (Deuteronomy 23). Reading the Law at face value, the disciples were not breaking Biblical law, but Rabbinical Law. Reaping is one activity forbidden on the Sabbath based on the Misna Shabbat.
David Eating the Showbread
Jesus states that David eating the showbread was unlawful, as it was lawful only for priests for eat the showbread regarding Biblical Law. One can either read this passage as Jesus then condoning breaking Biblical Law because David was hungry or that Jesus was highlighting the inconsistency of His opponents. Since Jesus came to fulfill the law and obeyed God in everything He did, it is more likely that the latter reading is accurate, especially considering how serious God took priestly matters.
With this interpretation, The Pharisees revered David and possibly did not condemn him for his eating of the showbread. Jesus asks then why they condemn Him and his disciples when they did not break the law.
Both King Saul and King Uzziah were punished by God for acting as priests. It is clear that God showed mercy on David in that situation. Nothing in Samuel indicates that David was esteeming himself as a priest by eating the showbread but rather eating due to hunger.
Priests Working on Sabbath
Jesus is speaking with hyperbole saying that the priests profaned the Sabbath by working on the Sabbath to point out that even all work was not forbidden on the Sabbath. The priests and Levites were assigned altar duties, and later in Numbers, God calls for a Sabbath offering - Numbers 28.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath
As Jesus often does in addressing others' questions or comments towards Him, He uses this situation to make a statement about Himself or the kingdom of God. Jesus declares that He is greater than the temple and is "Lord even of the Sabbath." Yet as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus does not break the Law or condone breaking the Law. Jesus clearly had respect for the Law - Matthew 5:18.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
In short:
- Jesus and His disciples were not breaking Biblical law by plucking grains to eat and satisfy their hunger in the moment. The Sabbath law required some interpretation since it was general, and Jesus interpreted it as allowing the actions of Him and His disciples.
- David's action was unlawful to eat the showbread, but he did claim to keep himself and men holy beforehand. God had mercy on David in this situation.
- God permitted some types of work, priestly work, on the Sabbath, and even Rabbinical law accepted saving someone's life as permitted on the Sabbath, thus medical work for saving a life would be allowed by their strict interpretation.
- Jesus states that He is greater than the Temple and Lord of the Sabbath, which only God can be. He is more capable of interpreting Sabbath law than the Pharisees.
Note: Regarding John 5:18, in the mind of the Pharisees, to them, Jesus was breaking the Sabbath , and John is informing us that at least that is their charge against Him, Jesus. In addition, pertaining to this verse we know about Jesus' healing on the Sabbath, in which, the Jews would help someone in need on the Sabbath, and that is what Jesus is doing exactly in John 5:18.
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On 4/21/2018 at 8:36 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
(New news ....) A MONTANA Judge Orders Jehovah’s Witnesses to Turn Over Internal Documents Related to Childhood Sexual Abuse
April 12, 2018
On April 5, 2018, Judge James Manley of Sanders County, Montana ordered the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization to produce documents and testimony related to internal reports and investigations into the childhood sexual abuse of NPR’s two clients.
In this case, the two Plaintiffs were sexually abused as children by a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Elders in the local Jehovah’s Witness congregation in Thompson Falls, Montana were aware of the abuse and failed to report it to the police, choosing instead to handle the reports and investigations internally pursuant to Jehovah’s Witness guidelines. Their decision not to report the abuse to authorities allowed the perpetrator to remain in the congregation and continue to abuse one of the Plaintiffs.
Throughout this case, and similar childhood sexual abuse cases across the country, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have refused to produce documents related to their internal handling of reports of sexual abuse and related investigations and disciplinary actions claiming that the information is protected by the clergy-penitent privilege and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Through briefing to the court, NPR convinced the Judge that Defendants’ privilege claims were unsupported and improper under the law. The Court agreed that Defendants could not blanket everything related to their investigations in secrecy and that they must turn it over to the Plaintiffs. Often, this is the very evidence that can win or lose a case like this against a religious institution.
The case of Nunez, et al. v. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, et al. is set to go to trial in September of 2018.
The plaintiffs in this case are represented by NPR partner D. Neil Smith and associate Ross E. Leonoudakis.
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A Jury of 12 held in public view ... or a tribunal of three held in complete secrecy.
Which would YOU choose, to get Justice?
One thing for certain, pedophilia is not only a mental problem, it is also a problem of which such people act out their ill intentions, as well as being the only customer of such persons who can provide such things by illegal means, for there is an even darker rabbit hole to such things that is not really known to the public and or the media itself.
One thing that can be analyzed by this is that the church itself has done an internal investigation, how they went about doing this, we do not know, but if such reaps some sort of evidence or the like it can be used to go after those who commit the crimes - for the judge did order the group to produce internal information and or a testimony related to the problem itself.
Now the focus is on a sole church of the faith in Montana, specifically Thompson Falls. 2 people, as the article states that they had been sexually abused as children, for it does say the following:
the two Plaintiffs were sexually abused as children by a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses
It would have given us a clue as the actual time-frame of said abuse but such information is not given and or this article lack the details for some reason and or they have never received such information, but if the abuse took place when these 2 persons in question were indeed children, then these individuals are possibly adults now. We also know the abuser is but a sole suspect, for so and so not only had access to the two victims when they were children, he must have also had a position of authority, being among the ranks of those in the church that act as Shepherds to the churchgoers, and obviously the members consist of infants, children, teens, adults, and the elderly. And in most cases, the abuse itself takes place outside of the church, rarely does it take place inside of a church, but in a well knitted community, such vile actions tend to take place outside of the church itself - for the role of an abuser is to commit the act and or act upon the urge whereas there is no one to witness the act, for one prerequisite has already been met, that is, earning the trust of the people and even the children, this includes the victim, this is what is taught in Child Abuse and Neglect PSA and media, at this point, it is very difficult to determine the motives and or actions of the abuser, let alone the signs, but only went it is too late, this will be realized.
Next we have another point in the article: were aware of the abuse and failed to report it to the police, choosing instead to handle the reports and investigations internally pursuant to Jehovah’s Witness guidelines
The thing that is not mention is the law in regard to child abuse itself. Ironically it tells a different story and the actions of those who to report the child abuse crimes to local authorities. There is no penalty for those who adhere to internal investigation, which seems to be the case and is done by religious institutions in Montana, mainly in the case of the Catholics, which in the past had some bizarre thing going on, which involved a victim being murdered. Other then that, the JWs are no different from anyone else who subject themselves to internal investigation, however, they and or the victim can speak out, which is the case with the numerous child abuse cases in Montana itself, for if the church does not do anything but gather some evidence, the victim(s) and or their families are obligated to make the report also.
The biggest problem you also have is this: The Confessional Exception to States' Clergy Abuse Reporting Requirements
Also here is the site in regards to the Laws in that specific area, child abuse information can be found here: https://statelaws.findlaw.com/montana-law.html
Anyways, now we have: Their decision not to report the abuse to authorities allowed the perpetrator to remain in the congregation and continue to abuse one of the Plaintiffs.
As said before in regards to the victim(s), and to the respects of Child Abuse and Neglect Education, if the abuser still remains, it is vital for the victim in question and or the guardians of the victim(s), be it parents, and or any blood relative, close family friend, they too can report this themselves to local authorities, no one is being stopped, for if a priest, a teacher, and or other is not that much of help and or such persons at least offer advise and or do a bit of investigation themselves, they tend not to report to the police, but it does not stop others from doing so.
When an smart action is taken, it helps to zero in on the abuser, but not speaking of the matter when you know there is something that can be done will only cause more problems. Mainly if said abuser has earned the trust and respect of everyone else, including the victim's family and friends, thus putting the victim in a confused and hurt state, some victims will share what happen to them with a trusted adult, possibly more adults who will listen and one of these people will take action while others will advise.
For if this was the case with other child abuse cases in Montana and suddenly it shifts in regards to a Christian group, that is expressing hypocrisy towards other victims who did take it a step further. Again, as I said time and time again, there are better ways of doing things, as well as smarter ways, for in doing so, you not only save yourself, but others as well and bring into the light of how said abuser had used others in order to get access to children int he very homes of the victims - mainly if the abuser is a relative.
Throughout this case, and similar childhood sexual abuse cases across the country, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have refused to produce documents related to their internal handling of reports of sexual abuse and related investigations and disciplinary actions claiming that the information is protected by the clergy-penitent privilege and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Child Abuse is everywhere, even to the point where, the world's society whats to make pedophilia legal, just like they make identifying yourself as another sex and or an object legal, but in this case, the interest of children is considered a sexual orientation by the world, which is very wrong, but it does not stop them from what took place last year in regards to the homosexual/trans community who with what they did in regards of children is wildly accepted and those against it are attacked.
That being said, we already know that JWs and other religion subject themselves to internal investigation in the category of church discipline, others taken it a step further with confession requirements an the like, in addition, not many religious people are well educated in the realm of child abuse, an example, an African JW church tends to be far better equip to suspect child abuse be it among their members and or community, even those who they preach to, for missionaries of any sort have stumble on to some things that you would not suspect while on the other side of the spectrum, a JW church in the UK lacks in the realm of suspecting and or seeing the signs of child abuse - this is why education is key, for if you learn something in this regard to can teach someone else, this goes for the non-religious too for we do not know what the neighbor does with his or her kids and or the kids of other neighbors in the vicinity, for a close friend in the neighborhood has to be well analyzed and watched to see if he is not a creep.
As for the information in regards to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, this seems to be the case. It is widely referred to as the Priest Penitent Privilege, as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest–penitent_privilege
It also states the following:
The First Amendment is largely cited as the jurisprudential basis. The earliest and most influential case acknowledging the priest–penitent privilege was People v. Phillips (1813), where the Court of General Sessions of the City of New York refused to compel a priest to testify. The Court opined: It is essential to the free exercise of a religion, that its ordinances should be administered—that its ceremonies as well as its essentials should be protected. Secrecy is of the essence of penance. The sinner will not confess, nor will the priest receive his confession, if the veil of secrecy is removed: To decide that the minister shall promulgate what he receives in confession, is to declare that there shall be no penance... A few years after Phillips was decided, People v. Smith distinguished the case on the grounds that the defendant had approached the minister as a "friend or adviser," not in his capacity as a professional or spiritual advisor. As with most privileges, a debate still exists about the circumstances under which the priest–penitent privilege applies. The capacity in which the clergyman is acting at the time of the communication is relevant in many jurisdictions.
It goes on to say:
In U.S. practice, the confidentiality privilege has been extended to non-Catholic clergy and non-sacramental counseling, with explicit clergy exemptions put into most state law over the past several decades. In most states, information gained within a confession or private conversation is considered privileged and may be exempted from mandatory reporting requirements.
This also goes hand in hand with the Confession Law/requirement that is in full effect in most states. So in other words, you'd have to dismantle what is already running the engine in the justice system. But as we already know, it is not possible to change such very easily, and should it change, it will break and or create something else - possibly worse.
As we speak there is only one group known to the entire world that wants to alter the First Amendment and possible the laws and or the like pertaining to it, but this group seeks to nourish its own benefit.
Through briefing to the court, NPR convinced the Judge that Defendants’ privilege claims were unsupported and improper under the law. The Court agreed that Defendants could not blanket everything related to their investigations in secrecy and that they must turn it over to the Plaintiffs. Often, this is the very evidence that can win or lose a case like this against a religious institution.
With that information at hand, anything goes at this point, and it would seem that there is more information to this case of which is left out by the article itself, as stated before, they either lack the information and or such information has yet to reveal itself, hence waiting an update. Most likely the defendant will produce whatever evidence they have but with this last bit it makes the other section of the article a bit murky. Other then that Internal Investigation done by any institution, be it religious or not, is not secrecy, for such tends to help out authorities should they have access to this information be it given, require by law to have in their possession, and or other, etc usually depends on the law of the land also and the exemptions and the like with play a role in such things.
We'll have to wait and see when we cross that bridge on September 2018, as of right now anything revolving around child abuse and or violence, false flags and the like, the conspiracy theorist and minions are out in full force. I am already reading into some underground madness that took place in both the US and the UK, not forum friendly with what is spoken of such unless you have the mental strength to stomach what is said.
That being said, the laws of the land and the constitutions goes hand in hand with the state and the church, for should you want to alter one in order to fix a problem, it will lead to something worse.Knowing this, some people tend to deal with problems the best to their ability, and in this case, for victims, they too can play a role in finding a positive conclusion to a big problem, as many people already have before and to this day and onward.
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On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:
One of the most striking features of the teachings of Jesus is that He was constantly talking about Himself. And to enter into the Kingdom depends on how we respond to Him personally; He even called the Kingdom of God “my Kingdom”.
OK.
Also, Isaiah 9:6, Daniel 2:44, Daniel 7:14, as well as the interesting bit from Zechariah in regards to the Copper (Bronze/Brass) Mountains - in regards to what Jesus said in John 18:36.
We also have to remember that Jesus, the Messianic King, is God's chosen Christ and the one to be seated at the throne, or in this case, the throne of David (hence God's promise of a descendant of King David)
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:This self teaching of Jesus is one of the first things that set Jesus apart from the other religious teachers of the world. Jesus points people to Himself saying “I am the truth; follow me” No other founder of the world religions would dare say such a thing and expect to be taken seriously.
True, but you have to take into account of Jesus' very command to his Disciples, who in turn, to their students share this information with them as well, hence the early Christians, the early Church. We cannot be ignorant and ignore such things totally - for, it is in the very scriptures itself.
We must also take into account also that the Teachings of Jesus is not of his own, nor did it originate with him. Jesus, representative of the Father by means of Shaliah Principle, is the flesh, the man who teachings the Father's Spoken Word, for Jesus himself speaks the Word, that comes from the Father, hence him being in union with his God/Father in Heaven.
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:The personal pronouns that Jesus uses force us to pay attention.
"I am the bread of life…” (John 6:35)
"I am the light of the world…" (John 8:12)
"I am the resurrection and the life…” (John 11:25)
The great question on Jesus’ teachings about Himself leads to Him asking, “Who do you say that I am?” (Matt. 16:15).
Jesus had such a strong opinion of Himself, it is not surprise that he should call people to Himself, “Come to me” and “Follow me”.
What needs to be taken into account is what the verses actually cross-reference to. Also, without further explanation I will just post them as is:
Cf to John 6:35
- John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
- John 7:37 - On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.
- Revelation 22:17 - The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.
Note: The very expression is used twice in scripture, we see it in this verse, 35, and we see it again in verse 48. In this context, life has an obvious reference, and it makes refers to everlasting/eternal life - John 6:40, 47, 54. In this discussion, Jesus refers to he himself as the bread from heaven as we see in John 6:32, and in verse 33 we see the bread of God in John 6:33, and lastly, we see the living bread in John 6:51. We see that Jesus himself points out that the Israelites were given the manna as a source of food while in the wilderness, which we can clearly read here at Nehemiah 9:20. We also know that, if we are to be honest with ourselves to be aware of this passage, that this provided food, manna, did not sustain their lives for very long - John 6:49. In comparison, the followers of the Christ, faithful and true, have the availability heavenly manna and or bread of life - John 6:48-51, 58, which makes it totally possible for them to sustain their lives, thus living forever. They eat of this bread by exercising faith in the power that is redeeming in Jesus’ flesh and blood that he sacrificed.
Cf. John 8:12
- Isaiah 9:2 - The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shone.
- Isaiah 49:6 - he says: “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
- Matthew 4:16 - the people dwelling in darkness have seen a great light, and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death, on them a light has dawned.”
- John 1:5 - The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
- John 1:9 - The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
- John 12:35 - So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going.
- John 12:46 - I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
- 1 Peter 2:9 - But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
- 1 John 2:8 - At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.
Note: Jesus, in regards to the main verse, is using a metaphor - the light of the world. He used it to describe he himself may have reminded his listeners about the four giant lamp stands in the Court of the Women:
The court of the women (Hebrew: עזרת הנשים Ezrat HaNashim or עזרת נשים Ezrat Nashim) was the outer forecourt of the Temples in Jerusalem into which women were permitted to enter. The court was also known as the "middle court," as it stood between the Court of the Gentiles and the court of Israel, i.e. the court of the men.
which were lit during the Festival of Booths , take a look at John 7:2. The light illuminates the surroundings to a greatly and in addition, pertaining to what Jesus had said, light of the world, equals to passages from the foretells of Isaiah, of which spoken of a great light that would be seen by those dwelling in the land of deep shadow and that the one referred to as Jehovah's/Yahweh’s servant (Servant of Elohim/YHWH) would be a light of the nations - Isaiah 9:1, 2 and 42:1, 6 and 49:6. Now let us get on to the Sermon on the Mount. There, we learn that Jesus used the same metaphor when he addressed his followers, saying: You are the light of the world. - Matthew 5:14. That same expression fits smoothly like a puzzle piece in regards to Isaiah’s words about the Messiah, the man who is the Christ, Jesus, being a light of the nations. In Acts 13:46, 47, we learn that both Paul and Barnabas affirmed these prophetic words we see in Isaiah 49:6, practically a command to all followers of the Christ to continue to serve as a light to all the nations. Jesus’ preaching of the gospel and that of his followers would enlighten and show the people spiritually and rescue them from the likes of false religious and or accursed teachings.
Cf. John 11:25
Psalms 13:3 - Consider and answer me, O Lord my God; light up my eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death,
Matthew 9:24 - he said, “Go away, for the girl is not dead but sleeping.” And they laughed at him.
Acts 7:59, 60 - And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:6 - Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
Note: This one is pretty straightforward, I am the resurrection and the life (also before this it is I know He will Rise and Fallen Asleep). Jesus’ own death and resurrection enabled that the dead can return to life. After Jesus was resurrected, His Father, Yahweh/Jehovah, granted him the power not only to resurrect those among the dead, but also to impart eternal life - John 5:26, for just like the Father who has this ability to do so in regards to giving life, he granted such to the Son also, hence what is said in this verse. At Revelations 1:18, Jesus calls himself as the the living one, who has the keys of death and of the Hades (Sheol, Hell, Pit, etc.).Therefore, Jesus is indeed the hope of both the living and the dead. For Jesus promised to open up the tombs and give those in death one thing - life during the time of the new creation, in this case, the new heavens and the new earth whereas Jesus will do as such alongside those who will co-rule with him, under the rule by his heavenly government and the Messianic Kingdom.—John 5:28, 29 and 2 Peters 3:13.
Also we cannot forget, that Jesus had God given authority and power. We know this by reading Matthew 28:18:
- And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
We also get to see it as such as it is referenced here, I believe last time we debated I mentioned this to you and rook, anyways, Ephesians 1:20:21 and Philippians 2:9, 10, which reads as follow:
Ephesians 1:20:21
Thanksgiving and Prayer
(20) that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, (21) far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Philippians 2:9, 10
Christ's Example of Humility
(9) Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, (10) so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:The great question on Jesus’ teachings about Himself leads to Him asking, “Who do you say that I am?” (Matt. 16:15).
Jesus had such a strong opinion of Himself, it is not surprise that he should call people to Himself, “Come to me” and “Follow me”.
Actually in Matthew 16:15 he was covering with his disciples, to which he was talking about who the people think the Christ is whereas Peter made his response, since Peter was the only person to bring up said response on the following verse, 16 (Matthew 16:16).
His response as followed: Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
We also know that Jesus was also teaching a lesson to his disciples as well in the majority of this chapter, and into what the church actually is.
Summarized:
- The Pharisees and Sadducees Demand Signs 1-4
- The Leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees 5-12
- Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ 13-20
- Jesus Foretells His Death and Resurrection 21-23
- Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus 24-28
Outlined:
- Pharisees and Sadducees ask for a sign from heaven (16:1-4)
- Jesus warns against leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees (16:5-12)
- Peter identifies Jesus as the Christ (16:13-17)
- Jesus gives Peter the keys of the Kingdom (16:18-20)
- Jesus foretells his death and resurrection (16:21-23)
- Requirements of true discipleship (16:24-28)
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:Jesus offered Himself as someone in whom His contemporaries should put their faith in and to whom they should offer their love to. People are to believe in God – Jesus urged them that to have eternal life people are to believe in Him (John 3:36).
Yes, pretty straightforward to: One who exercises faith in the Son will get eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, pretty much not getting the reward that is eternal life, and in situation, they will instead have the wrath of God the Father upon them which will remain.
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:So when we look at the biblical evidence for the true Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ one cannot help noticing Jesus’ own self-consciousness witness of Himself, in other words, His self-understanding…what did Jesus think and believe about Himself?
Shaliah Principle and that the Word of which Jesus peaks originates from the Father, for what Jesus does is because the Father is with him.
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:Let’s have a look at what Jesus says about Himself and whether what He says reflects a consciousness of being Deity?
Keep in mind that what follows is NOT an exhaustive study, but just a brief expose of the topic.
OK.
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:When the paralytic was lowered through the roof by his four friends, Jesus did not respond with a comment about the man’s physical condition or his need of healing. Rather, his initial comment was, “your sins are forgiven”. The reaction of the scribes indicates the meaning they attached to his words: "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
What we have is a strong statement of divine authority, and the context shows that it was a blasphemous assertion IF HE WAS NOT GOD! Notice that He does not answer their charges with a "Hold on now! I am not claiming to be God! I am claiming something less!"--not at all!
We also cannot ignore Jesus immediate response after what was said in Mark 2:7. When such was said, we see that in the following verse, we read, Mark 2:8:
- And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?
By his spirit in himself and or in his own mind - for Jesus, if we take into account what the Greek says, is in reference to Jesus’ perceptive abilities, in this sense. For he was quick to discern what was said. We also know more about this in regard to what Jesus was able to discern by means of thinking, reasoning, and motives of others - John 2:24, 25.
Plus those men, if you check for cross-references were referring to the laws of the land. This is why this very verse (Mark 2:7) points to 2 other verses we are aware of: John 10:33 and Acts 6:11:
- John 10:33 - The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself a God.”
- Acts 6:11 - Then they secretly instigated men who said, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.”
There is no question without a doubt that these men were not totally unaware of the laws of which they follow as well as knowing who their God and Father is, since we know in the laws of Moses how forgiveness of Sin went down, bu in the New Testament we know that Jesus, the Son of God, is capable of Forgiveness of Sin also, for we know what and who the Christ is and what is his role, so it is safe to say that these men themselves knew that Forgiveness of Sin requires things such a s burnt offerings and the like, but were obviously astounded by this man called Jesus.
Jesus was claiming to the law of the Jews if you are referring to what I think you are, no law indicates a man is and or a God, but rather, a god and or godlike for that is what the Most High had called his children in heaven, as well as on earth, as well as the Jews who abide by these laws, so the reaction of some is no surprise.
Anyways the continuation of Mark 2:9-12 it reads:
- (9) Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’? (10) But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— (11) “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.” (12) And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!” (see Matthew 9:33, John 7:31, and John 9:32)
On 4/22/2018 at 4:18 AM, Cos said:The reaction of the Jews shows that they interpreted Jesus’ words that He was exercising the prerogative that belong to God alone (see Isa, 43:25). Here was an excellent opportunity for Jesus to correct the scribes if they had misunderstood the significance of His words. Note that He did not. In fact His response is highly enlightening for He goes on to claims that He has that prerogative of God, notice also how Jesus knew their thoughts; only God can know the thoughts of men (Acts 15:8; 2 Chron. 6:29; 1 Kings 8:38). More can be said but I’ll leave that for another time. <><
Yes, but we should be aware of the reaction itself and not think it to be something entirely different, for instance when Jesus quote what is written when the Jews wanted to stone him to death and the like, as well as their so called influence.
Also 2 Chronicles 6:29 speaks of a request for favors in regards to Solomon’s prayer of inauguration, 1 Kings 8:38 in regards to Solomon’s prayer of temple dedication, Isaiah 43:25 is in regards to a people bringing a case against each other. Other then that, it would have been wise to take a read at the references of Acts 15:8 on your part, which is correct, but those point to verses like 1 Chronicles 28:9 and Jeremiah 11:20 to name a few.
(I myself will double check the other ones, for they seem odd to be references in your response, but I agree with you on Acts 15:8 for it is, in the realm of hermeneutics, spot on and correct regarding God the Father, however, there are separate verses pertaining to how Jesus also having such ability in terms of reading one's heart, as well as those who acquire discernment and understanding - so I wouldn't say it is limited to God and or Jesus, per-say.)
Jesus can understand the thinking, reasoning and the though of men, just like his Father is able to do so as well as those with the ability of discernment to find understanding, something of which that is acquired by an obvious means.
I will quote myself from my previous response whereas the following is said: Jesus was able to discern by means of thinking, reasoning, and motives of others - John 2:24, 25.
The verses state the following:
Jesus Knows What Is in Man
- (24) But Jesus on his part did not entrust himself to them, because he knew all people (25) and needed no one to bear witness about man, for he himself knew what was in man.
Jesus has such an excellent ability to do as such because he was able to discern the thinking, reasoning, and motives of humans, in this regard, regardless of the sex, age, background, experience, status, etc. of said person. This was foretold by the prophet Isaiah, who spoke about the Messiah, for he said: "And the Spirit of the Lord [YHWH] shall rest upon him (A), the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord [YHWH]. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord [YHWH]. He shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide disputes by what his ears hear," - Isaiah 11:2, 3.
- [A] Isaiah 42:1, John 1:32, and Acts 10:38
We already seen this in action as to what Jesus' actions were in Mark 2:8, now lets take a look at Matthew 9:4, which reads:
- But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts?
So it is safe to say how and why Jesus was able to discern such men who said such things, for the bible teaches such and it can be read in the very scriptures.
The truth has been given, do what you will with said truth.
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Because I know 1 John 4:1 will not be expressed to what it actually means, I will just go ahead and post the following:
Beloved, believe not every spirit
The apostle having mentioned the word "spirit" in the latter part of the preceding chapter, takes an occasion from thence to return to what he had been suggesting in the "second" chapter, concerning the many antichrists that then were, and whom he points out, and here cautions against. By "every spirit" he means, either every doctrine that is pretended to come from the Spirit of God, or every teacher, who professes to be qualified and sent by him, and to have his light, knowledge, and doctrine from him. Every true minister of the Gospel has the Spirit, and the gifts of the Spirit, more or less, to qualify him for his work; he is separated, and called to it by him, and receives his spiritual light find knowledge from him; it is he that teaches him sound doctrine, and leads him into all truth, as it is in Jesus, and brings every necessary truth to his remembrance; and who succeeds his ministrations to the good of souls: but there are some who call themselves the ministers of the Gospel, who, though they may have some natural abilities, and a share of human learning, and a notional knowledge of things, yet have never received either grace or gifts from the Spirit; nor have they been ever called by him; nor are their ministrations according to that divine word which is inspired by him, nor attended with his demonstration and power; wherefore, though some professing to have the Spirit of Christ are to be believed, yet not everyone; and though the Spirit is not to be quenched in any, nor prophesying to be despised, yet care should be taken what is heard and received: some persons are so obstinate and incredulous as not to believe anything that is declared, be the evidence what it will; as the Jews would not believe Christ and his apostles, though what they said agreed with Moses and the prophets, and was confirmed by miracles; and others are too credulous; at once receive every teacher, and embrace every upstart doctrine: this they should not do,
but try the spirits whether they are of God
not by human reason, especially as carnal and unsanctified; for though the doctrines of the Gospel are not contrary to true reason, they are above it, and not to be judged of by it, and are disapproved of and rejected by carnal reason; but by the word of God, which is the standard of all doctrine; and whatever agrees with that is to be received, and what does not should be rejected. And so to do is very commendable, as appears from the instance of the Beraeans, who on this account are said to be more noble than those of Thessalonica, (Acts 17:11)
Paul and Silas in Berea
[Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so]
and from the commendation of the church at Ephesus, (Revelation 2:2)
To the Church in Ephesus
[“‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.]
And this is what every believer, every private Christian should do; to them it belongs to read and search the Scriptures, and prove all things, and judge for themselves of the truth of doctrine; and to such a probation or trial of the spirits, spiritual light, knowledge, judgment, sense, experience, and divine guidance are necessary, which should be asked of God, and an increase thereof; and all such diligent searchers, and humble inquirers, are capable of making judgment of persons and doctrines, whether they are from the Spirit of God or not, for the Spirit of God never speaks contrary to his word: and the reason why such a trial should be made is,
Because many false prophets are gone out into the world:
such who pretended either to a revelation of future things, and to foretell things to come; or rather to a gift of prophesying, or preaching in Christ's name, to be "prophets" and spiritual men, and ministers of the word, but were "false" ones; who either predicted what did not come to pass, or rather preached false doctrine, by corrupting the word, and handling it deceitfully, and so imposed upon and ruined the souls of others, as well as deceived their own: and there were not only one, or two, or a few of these, but "many", as our Lord had foretold, ( Matthew 24:11 [A] ; Matthew 24:24 )
[A]
Signs of the End of the Age
[And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.]
The Abomination of Desolation
[24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.]
and which makes the reason the stronger for not believing every spirit, but trying them; and the rather, since they were not sent of God, that is called out by his churches, but were "gone out" of themselves; of their own heads, and without any mission from God or man: and "into the world" too; they were in every part of it, and especially where there were any churches of Christ; into which they first crept in privily, and at unawares, but afterwards became public preachers of the word, and then separating from them, set up openly in the world for themselves.
Source: https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/1-john-4-1.html
Also that World War III about God's actions comment and the WT source I still await, otherwise I come to the conclusion that your spirit has been tested, and the outcome is indeed not a well received one - should said claims of yours are deemed false, which, seems, evident thus far.
The bible informs us of truth and we are not to make any silly outlandish claims on this simple fact. True the nations will rise, but what you mentioned goes beyond the gravity of the situation of things in a different direction.
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Speaking about Korah, I will just leave this here since it is related to him (people who rebel):
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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Since we will will have to wait and see what happens (for once you do not tell it), why are you so quick to say what the WT says is wrong?
Waiting and doing nothing at all is a sin, however waiting and using the time to do the works to build faith is another story. The man has many odd claims to his comments thus far and obviously using Scripture in an attempt to not root out falsehood, but to attack a faith itself, therefore in this matter one can easily see that @Israeli Bar Avaddhon is taking notes out of the mainstream Christianity playbook.
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30 minutes ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:
Dear Space Merchant, you have only expressed two concepts. Can it be done with fewer words?
You say you're alert?
If so, you would have really studied the Bible, including prophecies.Another false accusation or a claim without proven facts? For if I am aware of prophecy in regards of the bible, how am I not really studying prophecy, when there is legitimate proof I am well adapt in such?
again, do not make claims you cannot determine if it is true, and from my past response on this forum, everything I say is truth and originates from a long time of biblical study.
Again - be wise with your words next time you make comment, for if one sees the history of everything I post here it would pain you as a lair, we wouldn't want that now would we?
And no concepts were expressed, it is merely proving a claim to be false in regards to someone makes false claims of another person, and or seemingly judging said person when it is the first encounter, as we see here.
You made a claim that I followed an organization, last I recall, I am not a JW, I am a Biblical Unitarian, one of such that has a high regard to who speaks truth and who does not speak truth, thus confutation.
35 minutes ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:This speech is not addressed to you in particular but to all those who have put an organization and a group of people above the Bible.
Well friend, 1 John 4:1 applies to every man, woman and child who reads their bible, especially if one understands what Testing the Spirit means, which connects with what abides in us as Christians, not sure if you mentioned verse 3.
Can you give an example of people who put the Church above the bible? After all, if one knows who/what the Church means, it's mission, it's goal, which of course originates from the bible, hence Jesus' command and that he himself is the head of the church, how are you making the claim of a man putting the church above the bible when God's Spoken Word is spoken through the Son, the very person of which makes up the church?
The church of which that was said to be built by Jesus alludes to this as well, how is this missed?
I would answer that quite easily, but I do not see how you yourself missed that, after all, all of us here know what the bible says.
41 minutes ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:This means "to worship one's own religion" rather than God, even if we realize it or not.
The biblical comparison, which was once encouraged (perhaps), is certainly discouraged today, except to arrive at the same conclusions as the self-proclaimed and self-referential "faithful and discreet slave".So what of the Spiritual House and what Jesus had entrusted his Apostles, who in turn, to the followers, to the students, etc of the Church? This alludes to what is stated above. Based on the Apostolic Age, is is unheard of of those who derive from such worship a religion. Any man who is part of a religion has a based belief, at times some beliefs are distributed by religious heads, who are and or act as the Shepherds to the Flock, for if Christian history as not already taught us this, the bible in regards to the Spiritual House and what Jesus commanded, is evident.
You have to have valid proof of a man worshiping religion, which in this day and age and since the days of our church fathers, an absurd assumption to make and quite unheard of, if anything the real question would be the faith of the religion itself, that being said, this claim of yours does not even make sense.
Other then that, the silly assumption will not do - the reality is, those in a faith and or religion does their teachings and servitude align with God and his Spoken Word, or that of something else, perhaps different from what the scriptures say?
False Prophets are known to twist the scriptures, even breaking, picking and choosing God's laws, other times, rejecting totally the Tanakh, Hebrew Old Testament, which is the case with the Christian denominations of the mainstream and the New Agers, for such ones claim to be of God, yet they ignore parts of and or a majority of his word, example, having people of the same sex marry inside the temple, which clearly is against all things that is holy, for we know, by the bible, God has made man and woman, so they can populate the earth, and teach their seed, offspring of who God is as well as how to life in terms of the teachings.
All and all, the real question is: Is the person and or group following the correct faith/religion or a false ones? Is said religion's teachings is in harmony with God's Word, in harmony with Man's Word, or a mix of both - picking and choosing?
The logic here speaks for itself, and a man who worships a religion is unheard of, unless we have forgotten what the definition of Religion even means:
- the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
- a particular system of faith and worship.
- a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
Again, in order to test the spirit (1 John 4:1), information in this regard has to be met with factual proof in terms of a true/false faith.
55 minutes ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:I do not know what you think but the WT has said that "all the prophecies have been fulfilled and that we are waiting only for the cry of peace and security and therefore the attack on false religion".
Moreover it has been said that Jehovah will not allow a third world war because otherwise "no one would survive".
Can you get a direct quote from the Watchtower itself for confirmation and so that everyone here can examine it themselves? Because when people say something, they assume it is true without citations.
Jehovah will not allow a 3rd world war? Sources? Who said - You said? Ironic how you made the claim to prophecy, but I will not hold this against you.
Believe me, I know a lot about what is going on in the world right now, things you may not even be aware of, and or unaware of supporting unknowingly, as is the case with 100.00% mainstream Christians. Some, such as myself, are far more vigilant than others, and are not the type to be tricked so easily and or mislead, especially to the claim that you have mentioned, friend, you will have to have a good source on that claim because with anyone who is knowledgeable of the situation at hand - this claim here is false.
Other then that, with the knowledge I have in that domain, I will have to say your source and or claim is as I stated it is, for we are already at a tipping point of a war due to 2 factions, and 2 parties that have connections on both sides, that of which I had mentioned in a thread on this forum with 100% facts of said knowledge - hence my extensive vigilantes. In addition to opposers on both sides, expect the 2 parities in question, that being, The United Nations and the Deep State.
Yahweh/Jehovah will not allow His people to perish, something we both can agree on, for we know how God has reacted, in scripture, when his people are under attack, he is also aware of those who endure and those who adhere to prophecy, like the situation at Jerusalem being an example.
The enemy we have today is the Harlot - Babylon the Great, her agents roam the lands as we speak and has an organization that is connected with a triad of power (political, government, religious) all working as one, mainly in the realm of a One World Government and a One World Religion, for we have already seen what sent down in 2015 and onward regarding religion, and as of 2016, the government, for the legacy of a deceased woman continues to run its engine and acts as an element in the schemes of Babylon the Great.
These Spirits have already been tested by those who know who such persons are, and they are indeed among the Harlot's table of champions, which of whom will stamp out any group and faith that opposes them, and such persons will be met with increased persecution, violence, banishment, and even death. And we also see the decline in Christianity due to falsehood entering Christianity itself, however, Christian minorities still stand and such minorities are the very ones being targeted by the Harlot and that of any wicked evildoer as well as false prophets.
As stated before, God will actually take action when his people are indeed in danger, and he has an appointed time (Matthew 25:13, Luke 21:34, Mark 13:34) of which he will save his people by means of his Son, who will return. Until then, we have yet to suffer from End Times Tribulations that will devastate mankind on a great level.
So in the mean time it is being awake and enduring, as as pertaining to the verse at hand - test the spirits, as well as teach those the gospel that is true.
1 hour ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:Being a bereans means reaching the same conclusions as those who command because, if by chance your "being berea" arose to other conclusions, always comparing the Scriptures, then you are no longer a "berean" but an apostate, a murmur. All right. it is useless to take the same thread for the thousandth time: it has nothing to do with the article. The restoration of true worship, which will happen in the future (and it did not happen in 1919) will be a beautiful thing but it will also be painful for all those who have not really dug into the scriptures.
Actually you missed core traits of a Berean truly means. A Berean is free of prejudice, they are not gullible, they are energetic and a Berean is not willingly ignorant, all of which equal to Scriptural Facts,I will not bother posting and referring every single verse, but if you know the bible, you would find this quite easily, and how one can compare a Berean to each and everyone person on this thread. I already know where I stand.
It is also important to note that Bereans were receptive to the will of God and they were more than hearers. Whatever the case in regards to our attitude in hearing God's word, we must be obedient to the truth and nothing but the truth. "Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men." - Acts 17:12. Therefore having the spirit of the Bereans is indeed vital.
You may want to re-look at all facts regarding a Berean again and look at the claims you make, you have to be true to your word if you consider yourself a Berean, yet you make claims that you cannot back up - hence the accusations of which you seem to consider as concepts when you clearly do not know my background, as with other claims.
That being said, Restoration of true worship has already been set in motion, and it is by means of true worship, we not only know what is to come, it prepares us to understand scripture and to worship Go the Father, as well as following in what His Son had taught about the Kingdom and what it will bring.
Last I recall, no one said anything about restoration of true worship in 1919, in fact, it is more of Jesus regarding the church, as well as the madness that was taking place in 1919 whereas thousands of people died from the epidemic, prior to the end of the first world war. 500 million affected; over 30 million dead, more death than the war itself.
I would not say painful, for God is indeed a Just God, however, he will not torment people day in and day out, for we know by a verse that wrongdoers will indeed by punished with eternal destruction, not the so called Hell doctrine, for that is not something that would come into the mind of God, let alone how his emotional response was in the Torah and or his actions against Ahaz and Menassah, however, Menassah wised up and repented.
1 hour ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:So we just have to wait to see who's right or maybe it's better to try and understand what the Bible teaches seriously, on these subjects and on others?
So, since almost no one wants to call into question the teachings of their religion Iì (in this sense you should ask yourself who you are really worshiping) I said: "Stand by and watch what happens".
It is one thing to understand the bible, but is is another thing to easily be mislead to use the bible to attack someone of faith. It is understandable against false doctrines and misuse of the bible, but to attack a faith without a solid conclusion of falsehood, let alone a Restorationist Christian based face, that has to be called into question.
You cannot standby and wait, for that is a sin - doing nothing at all when what is right can easily be done.
Numbers 32:23 - But if you will not do so, behold, you have sinned against the LORD [YHWH], and be sure your sin will find you out.
James 4:17 - So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. (dozen of other verses in this regard)
Therefore,until that time comes, again, we test the spirits, we teach, we preach, we read, we live as Christians, etc. As a Christian, there is always something to do, we are active, not passive or deactivated. As a living self sacrifice to service itself, it is by command we keep ourselves busy in the gospel an the teachings.
1 hour ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:The Bible teaches that the king of the north (which is Russia) will attack Israel (the true nation of Israel, which at present is Babylon the Great and not "the world empire of false religion") and this attack will lead to an escalation of other wars that will lead to the clash with the king of the south (the Ango-American empire, one of the few correct things said by the wt).
Friend, you are incorrect. Israel is part of Babylon the Great, current Israel, let alone earthly Jerusalem for that matter, is not of God's, but Heavenly Jerusalem indeed is, of which will come soon in the near future - The Bride of the Lamb.
Israel contributed to killing Christians in the Middle East and has killed their own neighbors, one instance, a teenager, young man, now dead because of Israeli powers, and with said power, they shot him square in the skull because he was in the right, as did the others who were shot at, some of them being killed by nearly sniper fire to the head, others with injuries from bullet wounds. I am sure that Jehovah/Yahweh is not a fan of sinners killing an innocent child, let alone anyone who is against corruption in Israel, and the actions of their allies, God will most likely destroy Israel, for they are indeed a major player in the One World Religion, as well as the One World Government.
Russia at this state is a pawn to Babylon and will attack them, nation against nation, for the US and Russia already have several nations under them, as well as allies, again with 2 parties connected to both of them.
As I said before, Babylon the Great consist of Government and Political Powers as well as Religion, of which over a dozen of Religions have already joined her since the Pope was making rounds and gaining support to have all religions merged and or group together, ever take into account of his actions in Washington DC in the US on 2016 whereas in 2015 if was more for political support and gain?
This is why I said it before, some tend to be far more vigilant than others. Russia on the other hand, is also corrupt, they had no problems hiring a Satanist group to pressure Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims, and once they are off the streets, the Satanist are allowed to run free while the RoC takes over alongside the Duma. The JW ban plays a key role in what is to come and such people are indeed an enemy to Babylon the Great, the reason why right after the Pope visited, the banning of the faith took place by means of the RoC and the Ministry of Justice in Russia, very strict to the point that poems and Pokemon can put you jail.
Again, apply 1 John 4:1 carefully, hence the topic, the actions of modern day Israel, you think they are a true nation of God vs what is said in the Bible of what is to come? God's people do not send support to allies that get Christians raped and killed by terrorist, of which has gain support by means of an Israeli ally, the US. I ask you to be vigilant, but clearly the application of being a Berean is not being applied here.
2 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:And of course he must win the king of the north, as Daniel clearly says (and he will not win the king of the south).
These are the wars the Lord said " Be careful not to be discouraged".
Almost all the prophecies applied to the past (from 1914 onwards) are future prophecies including the reappearance of true worship.And yet the claim of to a source of God making sure World War 3 will not take place is contradicting, as well as what you being blind to the situation at hand. It is far more dire than you realize, and clearly it is the signs of the times, but we are nowhere near the End Time Tribulations that will be brutal and very hard to deal with.
And yes, we are not discouraged, we endure, we are vigilant, we are doing the works we do not sit around and wait and do nothing. We, by our faith and works teach so that should we perish, the one we teach will continue the words and the spread of the gospel for us, the truth and nothing but the truth.
2 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:Now the point is: what I just wrote, is it true or is it false?
Well: Since you do not want to really study the Bible with no religious or cultural conditioning, "we stand by and watch."
Again, do not make claims you know that is not true - false accusations and by means of testing the spirit, one can see where you stand.
I rather not wait and do absolutely nothing, for He that abides in us, I, as a Christian, by faith will do the works, and maintain my faith that is the door to Salvation, for keeping faith, as said in Jude, is indeed a hard fight.
2 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:Obviously during the war that will break out (next, unfortunately) the WT will say exactly what he said during the first and during the Second World War.
He will say that "this is really the last and will end with armageddon".
Yet another affirmation that will demonstrate biblical ignorance.
The war will not lead directly to armageddon.Unfortunately for you, there is actual statement of the WT regarding to what they said to this regard, as well as an eye witness to what was actually said in the 70s, in addition to a man who clearly isn't a fan of JWs, but has high respect for CTR and is well versed in CTR by a study of 56+ years - which includes information about Har'mageddon. Speculative in nature, not one ever stated that Armageddon would definitely come when war breaks out.
2 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:Agreed: say that I am presumptuous, ungrateful and other things.
Everything is possible.
I conclude with the same message that I left at the beginning.
When certain things happen, perhaps you will remember this discussion and remember the writing of 1 John 4: 1Well I am not those things, hence my history, but I cannot speak for others for my position is somewhat unique. That being said there is more to 1 John 4:1 than what you have posted, but it seems to are directing the reader solely on the Watchtower itself rather than the full detail of what 1 John 4:1 brings forth.
I jumped in on this discussion to add cross-references, but the false accusation of you claiming I am somehow not well verses in the bible, is a mistake and I wish not to confute, but if I must - I will.
Until then, I will post in detail of 1 John 4:1 myself regarding an those who are true and those who are false without the need of support of infighting of a faith.
In the end, to make one remember something, you have to teach it the right way. If you teach a dog to sit, to be silent, he will do as such, but if you teach a dog to attack someone, they will do what you have taught them. The same can be said when it comes to teaching what a verse and or passage means in the bible itself.
2 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:After all the beautiful courtly language remains a fact.
If wisdom is true is proven by his works.
We have to wait and see what happens.Agreed, but what has to be added also is that wisdom is indeed good, but false claims is not the best idea against someone, let alone someone who is well versed in scripture.
Other then that, I will post 1 John 4:1 in detail later on. I purposely left out other cross-references in hopes you'd make a response, but you did not.
But next time you feel the need to make a false claim know this:
I am a Unitarian Christian, studied the bible for 2 decades and has can understand both Greek and Hebrew enabled to know the oldest source of which the bible is based off of - hence my love for Textual Criticism, as some have already know. I take into account of bibical hermeneutics, and I do not refute, I correct by confuting against falsehood or misuse of scripture, as well as dealing with the dishonest. I take into account and defend what is true by means of the oldest source and the teachings. I make a response to every comment and or claim, separately (as I have done here already).
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6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:
Also I am aware that the verses should be read in their context.
In fact I apply this writing to myself.Alright then, as long as you respect the cross references, there should not be a problem, some Christians tend not to adhere to cross-references in order to justify something that is in error. Error does not sit well with those who apply Biblical Hermeneutics.
6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:What did I write, actually?
I wrote to "wait and see" and this means that my words can come true (and therefore were based on the Bible) or do not come true (and then I would be a false prophet).Actually, I was quoting your previous comment, the one I have quoted in my previous post. There is more to a false prophet than just mere accursed prophecies and or teachings, but okay.
6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:What of 2 Peter 2:1? This is the only cross-reference of which part C points to. I do understand, and by understanding I tend not to leave anything out. Oh and I know have understanding, I live and breathe scripture, pertaining to the posted I've made in the past, this is but the first time you have seen a comment from me, and I am not here to belittle, if that is what you want, but this is not the case.
I posted the cross-references so any reader can see where 1 John 4:1 points to, nothing more,nothing less, for the bible provides such for a reason, and it is vital because any man, woman or child can easily misinterpret and or mislead others by a single verse when not connecting the dots with any cross-references that said verse is connected to, for instance, the many laws of the Jews of which Jesus has quoted and or profess of what is written, cross-references leads the reader to see where Jesus is quoting from and what said quote originated from, the laws of the Jews given to them by God.
Also, I would be wise if I were you, to judge and assume someone, underestimating them even, by your comment, hence what you have stated: you are a fanatic and do not care to understand the meaning of scriptural quotations but simply "belittle what others write".
Oh and as I said before, I aided cross-references so that people can see what 1 John 4:1 alludes to.
6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:I am far more interested in showing biblical truths, nothing more, regardless of religious background.
That is a nice comment here, of which you said: You worship your religion, not God. It is evident.
May I ask, as you sure that this claim of yours is correct? For any comment I have made there is absolute truth as to how this claim of yours is false, a Christian should not make a false claim.
Again, be very wise in your words, for we all know what the bible says about false accusations, you however, have already made 2 against me.
That being said, I care only for honesty, for time and time again, I stated my detest of dishonesty and lairs and manipulators of scriptures and such ones will be confuted, as already the case in the past.
6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:So if we apply these scruitture to everyone, surely the WT has made many false prophecies, denials, treated and retracted.
Oh sorry ... in this case 1 John 4: 1 is no longer valid, is it?Can you state how is 1 John 4:1 not valid? Cross-references does not make a verse invalid. A man who twists a verse makes verses like 1 John 4:1 invalid, something that remains to be seen, of which has not happen yet.I do not like mockery of scripture either - such tends to be a violation in the realm of Biblical Hermeneutics.
Other then that 1 John 4:1 is indeed valid in terms of false prophets, mainly against those who claim to be totally and utterly inspired, those who are borderline Anti-Christ and or those who teach of what is accursed, as stated in Galatians 1.
The question is, if the verse can be applied to those inspired or not inspired? For everyone and their mothers knows, because of Adam and Eve we are imperfect and the price of imperfection we pay is sin. Only from there one can discuss, research and come to the conclusion of said false prophets an those who teach an accursed gospel.
6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:However I try to summarize the meaning of the quote.
Stay in waiting.
You are watching what will happen in a short time.
GreetingsMake sure the meaning is very close to Scriptural Facts because with minimum discernment one can catch error and refute with what is true against what is not true, and I will wait, as I have with others who speak what is true and some who have spoken utter fortune cookie nonsense, hence the dishonest ones.
I am always watchful, vigilant beyond a point of no return, hence my experience and knowledge of the bible and Christology itself.
Just next time, before you make false accusations of a person, in this case, me, make sure it is true and not outlandish claims.
Exodus 20:16 - “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Proverbs 19:9 - A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.
As with the case of Pilate and the Jews against Jesus in regards to false accusations (Matthew 27:22–26).
Ironically, 1 John 4:1 is among the list of verses in regards to false accusations.
Perhaps understand of where I am coming from by looking at my past posts here, example being I am known of breaking down comments to response to each point, as I have here just now.
Other then that I am happy to discuss further on 1 John 4:1 in terms of Hermeneutics and understanding, for as you have already seen, there is now cross-references.
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6 hours ago, Israeli Bar Avaddhon said:
Wait a little while, gentlemen.
Perhaps some thoughtful person will remember what the Bible says about "inspired statements" - 1 John 4:1Not to mention what we can find from the cross-references of 1 John 4:1 alone, which totals up to 5 verses.
But to see this one would have to see where each part of 1 John 4:1 directs the reader.
English Standard Version
Test The Spirits
1 John 4:1 reads: Beloved, do not believe every spirit [every inspired statements] (A), but test the spirits [inspired statements] to see whether they are from God (B), for many false prophets have gone out into the world (C).
[A]
The Man of Lawlessness
2 Thessalonians 2:1,2 - (1) Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, (2) not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
Some Will Depart from the Faith
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
Jesus Is Coming
Revelations 22:6 - And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”
[C]
False Prophets and Teachers
2 Peter 2:1 - But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
All of which are harmoniously connected to 1 John 4:1. It is stuff like this that should not be ignored, thus leading to some easily misleading others and or making an obvious hermeneutical violation in terms of scripture.
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Things might get a bit dicey in the coming hours/days. Team I members, the US, France and the UK, alongside the UN, has taken a shot at Syria, just days after Israel's actions, who is killing innocent unarmed civilians who are literally having a Martin Luther King like protest as we speak, I believe dozens have already been killed.
@James Thomas Rook Jr. You may want to get your popcorn ready sooner than you think, World War III may be a real thing because things have reached a tipping point tonight, and there is a lot of peace and security talks, a lot of talk about God and Syrian Christians siding with Assad against the US and allies, historic moment for the UK PM, the United Nations, etc.
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Global Mafia strikes again and this time they want Syria, for that was on the list several years ago as General Wesley Clark had openly said.
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2 hours ago, JW Insider said:
People are already suspicious of the mainstream media outlets from other countries. RT for example is considered fake news here even when (or especially when) it is being more accurate than any mainstream US outlets. And of course, it very often really is fake news, too. Here, it would take someone outside the mainstream ideologies, one who could recognize the great overlap between the supposedly divergent ideologies of, say MSNBC and FOX.
True, but I was about those who want to expose the mainstream media to the point where people will pop up in their headwaters to demand why they are being lied to, or any meeting and or town halls that they have by those exposing falsehood in big numbers, things of that nature, but I agree. RT is part of Russia: RT is funded in whole or in part by the Russian government. There is though a few independent Journalist who have appeared on RT to speak truth, leaving RT newsroom team unable to counter them and or change the subject, other times, independents just speak truth to get a reaction out of the mainstream newsroom team, one of the reasons you do not see independents every now and then because of how they put the RT team at the edge of their seats.
But yeah there are some people who are on the outside, but they do not get a lot attention though, for the mainstream media equals them on the level of Alex Jones and or the likes of Tomi Lauren, who pretty let the mainstream mess with her head as well as Donald Trump and friends, of whom she supports.
At the same time those who speak truth and or against the mainstream, like I said, are often silenced and or blocked somehow, but they are good, some have quite the colorful language though, but get to the point because they too have been fed up with the lies and misinformation.
2 hours ago, JW Insider said:I think that Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky already did an excellent job with their own attempts, Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent, respectively, but their own ideologies make their findings seem suspect to most. https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/chomsky-vs-parenti/
I'll make note of this, for this is the first time I ran across these two names.
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1 hour ago, JW Insider said:
I am no fan of Fox, nor Carlson, but I agree. I am equally ashamed of MSNBC and CNN and NPR among others. Trump has become the perfect distraction so that most of the major networks don't worry about asking difficult questions about foreign policy. Of course, there are times when any one of these networks will be correct on certain issues, but it must serve an existing (and very predictable) ideology.
They also treat him as a superstar. Any news pertaining to Trump is like a TV Drama show, all the while Trump and friends are making decisions that cause some damage. But outside of the US, majority of media is controlled by government and politics, an example of this is Russia, when the JWs were banned, they used the media as a source to spread misinformation JWs, as well as other targeted Russian/Ukrainian folks. Elsewhere, media is use to paint potential targets as the enemy, and speak slander of such people and or cover corrupt people of whom they support.
That is why when people speak truth on outside mainstream media, they tend to be silenced by means of their incoming getting cut-off, taken down and at times even death, which was the case with Journalist Serena Shim: https://wearechange.org/murder-never-heard-serena-shim/
1 hour ago, JW Insider said:I assume Trump is always looking for ways to remain popular with an anti-Hillary/anti-Obama base, but with a very limited and obsolete political world-view. This will probably continue to serve him well for another few years because his opposition offers little more than "We're not Trump" in response. (And the fact that most Americans are politically gullible to the propaganda of only one of two camps.)
I dunno if he still goes for Hilary or Obama, however, he attempts to should he find someone to blame. Hilary and Obama, on the other hand, are not so clean either with what they got on their table. But yeah, majority of Americans, even those outside of the US who are glued to mainstream media will accept anything that is said to them and will consider that as a source of information.
Sometimes when you speak the truth, they will not accept it either, and they remain with what they have been told and or heard by means of the media.
It may soon come to a point where someone is going to expose the mainstream media to a great deal for the world to see, the Sinclair Script incident for the stations being just the surface.
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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:
I'd just as soon not see it play out. It is not as though Russia has nothing but pea shooters.
The Russians are always prepared, like sleep with one eye open prepared. Seeing how the Kremlin likes to showoff their military might, with the Duma and the church backing them, including allies, they will show their force of power if they have to, especially when provoked, in this case, Israel being the only opponent of theirs who jumped the gun, which didn't sit well with anyone. As for Russian firepower, they may not have as much as their counterparts, but they sure pack a huge punch, let's not forget nuclear options too.
All and all, as we speak they are ready to rumble right now. I recall last year, the RU military saying they do not trust the US, this may come into play soon.
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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
" Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will..."
That would be a neat trick, considering that Cruise Missiles can zig-zag, come in from an entirely different direction from that from which they were launched, and fly at tree top level, using inertial navigation systems as well as GPS.
They can even be programmed to imitate Commercial Airline profiles.
Even RU Satellite views of the battlefield would be difficult to interpret.
The Russians are always ready and will be when things are about to go down, they have moved their warplanes ready in Syria, especially since the US Destroyers are not too far from them and they will not fall for the trick from last year, hence RU and US relations. Airline companies have re-routed themselves, should anything does happen. The Russians should not be underestimated either, they may not have a huge arsenal, but they are proficient in its use and it hits hard and gets the job done, for instance, the Iskander-M Ballistic Missile missiles. As for their infantry, they are trained to the bone and in some cases, in some crazy and cold environments too and they do not mess around either, I believe they also train their police and special forces this way also
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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:.... If it does escalate to a full scale spasm Global Thermonuclear War, I hope to have 20 minutes warning, so Susan and I can put our lawn chairs out in the street, with my picnic cooler with beer, and watch the show.
.... as an experiment, I might take a plate of un-popped popcorn, and set it beside me.
2 Peter 3:10
Some people are already considering bunkers and or hiding from a possible draft, that some think it is best to bring back should war times escalate into something big, especially tensions in the Middle East and somewhat tension with North Korea. My neighbors said a while back to me that if Trump were to spark some sort of tension and or war with another nation, they said day 1 they will be out the country, first class/one way trip, making their way to Africa. My co-workers though were talking about bunkers and leaving the country also but think that it will not do them any good, others have stated they want to help out in the war effort, not realizing that Selective Service pretty much sets them up to have the military pay a visit to them, regardless if one is for or against going to war. Anyone, be it male or female, 18 and up is pretty much bounded by selective service the day they check that box when they sign up for financial service: https://www.sss.gov/Influencers/Students-and-FInancial-Aid-Officers. Even some military folk who are still in the force are not for the idea of war with anyone right now, especially those that came back.
But yeah, anything could happen, for the tension that is going on is like a fuse to a bomb, any minute it can blow, and it would cause damage to anything it touches, leaving visible marks.
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1 hour ago, JW Insider said:
Thanks for collecting so many of the salient points in a single post. Most people in the United States who feel that they are getting the truth through true freedom of the press, speech, etc., believe the major networks that only pretend to be showing two sides of an issue. I caught a very lucid piece of questioning by Tucker Carlson on FoxNews, who asked a Republican Senator why the US would be so anxious to attack Syria without attempting an investigation into the so-called chemical attack in Douma. The Senator's response was that he must be a supporter of Putin to even ask such a question. White Helmet propaganda videos are still very sloppy and full of contradictions, and individuals among them have been caught in blatant lies and acts of terror of their own.
Anytime. Most mainstream news media, coupled with social media cannot be trusted 100%, for not all the time they speak what is true unless it is in their favor, in addition to the recent video that came out some days ago that exposed the news media. I am not a fan of fox news, however, Tucker Carlson, sometimes, is on point with what he has to say, especially when challenged by falsehood.
The White Helmets are against Bashar al-Assad for they are among pro-opposition groups that fight for their own Anti-Assad political agenda, of which they had done so in the past and they have done some morbid things in order to push propaganda. They either have actors/actress pretending to be injured and or dead (sometimes they use dead bodies), re-locate them to areas to stage said propaganda, even take photos in a way that would shift people's emotions (like what happen to Ivanka Trump last year, hence Donald Trump's actions afterwards), and they will even use the corpses of dead people to stage said propaganda, even children.
For instance, the corpses of the children that were gassed by the chemicals, their bodies were sent to different locations and staged for photos and propaganda in order to make said imaginary/video look very graphic and believable - for some of the corpses had been arranged together to make it seem several of the children died together, as well as using the same exact corpses for other photos but in a different position and or location, said media of this propaganda had surfaced online, and it is not something for the squeamish to look at. As for the dead bodies, they are under tight control by the Jaysh al-Islam, who gave access to the White Helmets do do what they need in order to push propaganda. The thing is these people are stupid for they do not realize some people can see through their lies and deception, but sadly, those who are being fed misinformation by mainstream media, do not see this, thus becoming easily given information that is lacking greatly.
That being said, this is an example of the actions of the Pro-Opposition groups, just like the White Helmets, a while back faking a rescue, using an actor.
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1 hour ago, JW Insider said:Fortunately, Trump appears to be backing down on his own rhetoric today, and the White House admits that they realize the fight would quickly escalate into something "messy." The US still has limited proxy control over large parts of Syria where most of the oil fields are, but is accidentally tipping its hand in some of the recent admissions to this effect.
Trump is very unpredictable like a villain straight out of a Batman comic, you do not know how he will strike, what he will do next and or where he will pop up - just like his actions last year, April 2017. Trump, it would seem is just a puppet, one puppet who is too sure of himself. The problem though is the guy he hired, John R. Bolton, US National Security Advisor. Bolton is a guy who is ready for war and wanting war, in addition to that you have the UK, who is already at odds with Russia for a chemical attack, France being ready to take action if necessary with the Saudis ready to back the US, as well as Israel who had already jumped the gun, but the Saudis and Israel are in this because of Iran, and knowing Israel's PM, he does not want Iran occupying Syria, as well as its fear of Iranian strikes.
All and all, stuff like this is important, but like I said, mainstream media will not speak of such, they will waste time talking about Trump's affair with an adult actress when there is more important things at hand whereas it can prove fatal for civilians should things go off the wall crazy if war breaks out.
As for the oil, what can be said is the big money ballers of the oil cartel are there for it. There those in power that want that oil and most likely they will take said oil as they did in past, including places like Africa, after said target have been dealt with, other times they just take it, as they did in Haiti.
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Well you got 2 factions who are not a fan of each other regarding the Middle East.
The UN and the DS are on both sides, however, their members are pushing for war, examples like Bolton and Nikki Haley.
Team I Team II
< United Nations >
United States Russia
France Syria
United Kingdom VS China
Israel Iran
Saudi Arabia Hezbala
The Rebels/Kurds Assad Militants
Other Allies Other Allies
< Deep State World Order >
US: Pursuing a Regime Change in Syria (Going to war with 7 countries in 5 years, foreshadowed words of Wesley Clark of NATO)
France/US/UK: Preparing Air, Navy United for a sustained assault on Syria.
Israel: Jumped the gun without any sort of investigation on the Chemical Attack (FF) and bombed Syria positions.
Saudi Arabia (AL’SURA): Will be joining in an attack on Syria with their allies. Thus resulting in Airline companies having to change routes for the next 48 hours in the Middle East (as of April 10th, 2018) – away from Syria due to a chance of an attack.
Team I: Will be the first bloods should war break out, for it will be an action done by their hands.
Russia: Angered by approaching US Navy Destroyers approach Syria without notification. Claims there is no evidence of a chemical attack in Douma, for suspect attack came from the White Helmets (clear bias in this matter). Russia even stated weeks prior to the attack there would be a chemical attack and the blame will be pinned on Bashar al-Assad of Syria. Moscow has issued stark warnings on risks of US military action on Syria and possible military clash with RU vs US for Russian warplanes have been deployed in Syria due to Destroyers, and bombers are on standby as we speak that will target US, France, UK forces should they strike. Russia is right now jamming US drones, which is affecting US operations, but the Russians are denying this.
Iran: Threatening to restart their nuclear enrichment, this can begin within a matter of days.
China: Being one of the biggest allies to both Iran/Russia, for their relations with Russia had increased, said to be the best in history – Economically and Militarily, while their relations with the US is at an all time low. China also has a relationship with Syria and has offered them supplies due to civil war conflict Syria has had since 2011. China also backs probes into suspected Syria Chemical Attack; Gulf States condemn incident. China warns against military action in Syria as a threat of US strikes put everyone on HIGH ALERT. They have even told Russia they will support them by military means against the US.
Other: US and Russian battle forces have already killed each other about a month and a half ago. RU mercs was hit by US strikes, dozens of RU mercs killed.
Misc: This also goes hand in hand with the US and China Trade War, for financially things are also escalating.
North Korean can proof to be a potential ally to China.
It is said we are closer to World War III since the Cuban Missile Crisis, for things are starting to, and or has begun to escalate out of control and is soon to reach a tipping point.
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There is independent Journalism that has been on the rise for sometime now. The only problem with it is that they tend to be silenced and or somehow hindered by mainstream media and Journalism, for that is what they have been talking about themselves and have to rely on Patreons to stay afloat.
It would not be a surprise since the independents have been racking up some new viewers for sometime now, to name a view, Jason Bermas, Luke Rudkowski, The Mysterious Black Pigeon Speaks, Lauren Southern, Highimpact Brian, The Syrian Girl, Tim Pool, Paul Joseph Watson, Jake Morphonios, etc. If you like crazy, there's a guy named Alex Jones, not really a fan of his content, but some of the things he says points to other clues to what is true.
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This is why it is very important to stick to the original source, let alone a bible translation that sticks to said source compared to others that do not.
For the slightly of error can cause many to mislead, and the mislead misleads others.
Any example of this would be 1 Timothy 3:16. This verse has led others, in fact, millions, to believe Jesus is God, however, what such people do not know is what the original manuscripts have stated.
For the sake of this response, I will make a reference to the KJV, despite my disdain for King James and his translators, mainly Francis "shaky hands" Bacon.
We see in this verse in the KJV, they replaced what was originally there with God whereas a majority of other bibles will simply say He or the Christ came as a Human, something of that nature.
examples:
In the Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses, they to stuck to the original source, as did the others mentioned above, giving references to said verse also.
NWT - Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’
So it is clear that the following in regards to added words in scripture results in such things like this:
The Trinitarian Claim - Trinitarians claim this verse identifies Jesus as "God" because it says "God was manifested in the flesh."
The Claim vs. The Facts - The manuscript evidence, and the immediate context, shows the KJV reading was not authored by Paul.
Conclusion (quote) - So when we review all the evidence the solution is plain to see. The historical evidence indicates the word "God" was not there before the late fourth century at the earliest. The manuscript evidence indicates the word "God" was not in the original text. The grammar and the immediate context also indicate the KJV reading is not authentic. Christ is the mystery in question which is why the passage should read, "great is the mystery of godliness who/which was manifested in flesh, justified in spirit..." It "which" is correct it refers back the mystery; if "who" is correct it refers to Christ. Very obviously then the passage reads smoothly and makes total sense with the rest of Scripture by using either the word "who" or "which" which are attested in early manuscripts. The KJV reading is an obvious error or forgery.
Great is the mystery of godliness which/who was manifested in flesh."
So to a degree, no man who try some act of silliness when translating scripture, and no man will overwrite and or change as to what the original source has stated, but it didn't stop King James and crew sadly and quite plainly, Trinitarian translation scholars are admitting this version of the verse is not authentic. One then wonders why Trinitarians so often continue to appeal to it.
Therefore, false and or man man verses and or changed are added to scripture, in turn, blinds others and result in the blind leading the blind.
Mind you, this is but 1, of dozens of forgeries and errors to those who appeal to the KJV camp and or those in favor of later sources over the original one, especially those who do not know their Greek/Hebrew.