Space Merchant

1 hour ago, Cos said:

Space merchant,

 

Every time a JW wants to argue for their rendering of John 1:1 you cite a list of Bible version which you think support the JW rendering, as if that settles the matter.

 

If citing Bible versions were justifiable then many more translation CAN be cited that have “and the Word was God” many, many more!

 

In fact you JWs will cite anything that you think gives support to your wording from a false altered text to an Occultist rendering of John 1:1.

 

For example you guys quote for support the Sahidic Coptic translation, the problem is you JW’s narrowly look at John 1:1 and automatically think “aha proof!”, while ignoring everything else.

 

In the introduction to The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect by George Horner, he explains in his critical apparatus that, “Square brackets imply words used by the Coptic and not required by the English, while curved brackets supply words which are necessary to the English idiom.”

 

Horner translates John 1.1c into English as follows: “. . . and [a] God was the Word.” (JW when quoting this tend to leave out the [ ]).

 

Unlike English, the Sahidic indefinite article is used with nouns (e.g., water, bread, meat, truth, love, hate). Examples of these can be seen from where the Greek has no article but the Coptic does.

 

“because out of fullness we all of us took [a] life and [a] grace…” (Coptic version John 1:16)

 

“…I am baptizing you in [a] water’’ (Coptic version John 1:26)

 

“That which was begotton out of flesh is [a] flesh…” (Coptic version John 3:5)

 

“…ye say that ye have [a] life for ever in them…” (Coptic version John 5:39)

 

“. . . and immediately came out [a] blood and [a] water.” (Coptic version John 19:34)

 

Many more examples can be cited but this should be sufficient to make my point. None of the words in brackets are necessary in English but are still noted by Horner’s translation. When examined carefully the Sahidic Coptic does not support the JW rendering…the claims made by some are unfounded and deceptive. <><

For the record, I am a Unitarian Christian (I have respect for brothers and sisters in Christ who are aware of Trinity falsehood, as well as improve as Christians) and have stated this briefly before, we to believe that the translation of "God" when referring to Jesus should either be "a god" or "was god", especially in context with John 14:6. Not sure if you are aware, but even before the Jehovah's Witnesses existed, let alone Bible Students, "a god" was used, in addition, some don't always use "a god", some  use "was god (or was divine)", if you took the time to look up the history of John 1:1 translations by some scholars.

I merely cited how other scholars have interpreted John 1:1, regardless, made mention to how these scholars had it to further prove that before the Witnesses took on this rendering just as the others have before them had done the same, and you can see most tend to use "a god" or "was god" (as well as divine in some translations), for this was no a JW only rendering.

For John 1:1 in question, since you brought up the Coptics, The Sahidic Coptic Translation used an indefinite article with the word "god" in the final part of John 1:1. Those ancient translators realized that John's words recorded at John 1:1 did not mean that Jesus was to be identified as Almighty God, thus, The Word "was god" or "a god", but not Almighty God.

I find it rather odd that some would have intended the first sentence in the gospel of John to imply the existence of a god other than Yahweh/Jehovah, and for me personally, as stated before, this is not the Jehovah's Witnesses  own interpretation either for others have translated that verse to what it truly is, but that just goes to show, it's all in how one interprets, whether not grammatical rules were in play or not. Also some use the Coptic john 1:1 in a sense has "divine" or "a god" for they see it that the grammar in the Sahidic Coptic strongly suggest "a god".

Here is an old blog-post, there is more with the same final conclusion on why "a god" or "was a god, etc fits perfectly compared to "was God": http://coptictruch.blogspot.com/

There is also information from a Hebraic point of view, but that may just be for another time.

That being said, The scriptures itself shows us that John's introductory words (1:1-5) refer to the beginning of the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Word proclaimed through the ministry of God's Anointed, Jesus of Nazareth. The Word of John 1:1 is the Word proclaimed through the ministry of Jesus.

Plus it would seem ridiculous that one who is a Bene Elohim is a creator of all things, when the root of Bene Elohim is that Bene Elohims came into existence because of God, who caused them to exist to begin with, hence, Son(s) of God and or Son(s) from God. This term also identifies Christians, since we are Sons of God.

Trying to prove Jesus is God through John 1:1 is like attempting to proving that El Gibbor is the same meaning as Almighty Father, or that teaching/and or Jesus doing The Shema is non-existent from a view of Trinitarianism, when it is clearly evident that Jesus did do such.

At least there isn't head bumpin' like a death metal spectator or any rolling on the ground, or as they say it in my neighborhood, "catching the holy ghost" as the shenanigans take place.

In my eyes, Christians should be able to enjoy themselves from time to time.

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

@Space Merchant  thanks for comment. With what you said and gave several quotes maybe is suitable also this verse,

Isaiah 30, for example:

1"Woe to the rebellious children," declares the LORD, "Who execute a plan, but not Mine, And make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, In order to add sin to sin; 

2Who proceed down to Egypt Without consulting Me, To take refuge in the safety of Pharaoh And to seek shelter in the shadow of Egypt!

Perhaps we can derive at least two interpretations on this,  opposite of course :))

1) It is religious or political adultery to make connections and deals with "Gods enemies" (you are aware how WT explains three main evil force under satan power, this are; all false religions, politics and trade system. Well what have "clean JHVH nation" with OSCE or other similar worlds instruments for fixing worlds problems, when JW wait JHVH to fix all problems on HIS terms, not on this "old system" terms?)   

2) It is JHVH plan for WT to have mutual plans with this world how  to improve and secure religious freedoms?

3) Is this/such involving and WT participate just test in which JHVH can see what is in the heart of WT JWorg leaders aka GB?   

In short, preventing the message from the bible from being known (Freedom of Worship/To practice a Faith) will result in those of a Christian faith to stop anything that would silence any knowledge and or teaching of God.

Religious or Political Adultery is when one, or in this case, a faith, be it Muslim, Christian, etc becomes affiliated with global decisions that has that has big outcomes, examples being the UN conference, The Reformation of October 2017, Religion Summit with Religious Leaders from around the world who "support government/organizational views' i. e. siding with the US on the decision made in regards of Jerusalem. As far as I am aware, The Watchtower's views. From a Christendom based standpoint, these things are deemed evil, however, when it comes to protecting God's word, one must not just ignore, for Satan himself will do everything in his power to cease any knowledge of God from being known and or falsifying God and who he is, examples being the Teaching that God is a 3-in-1 or that Jesus is God, things of that nature. Just like early church Fathers, as well as followers and students, they do defended themselves via invitation, like what is historical displayed through the Council of Nicea. In this situation, The Jehovah's Witnesses had representatives attend OSCE via invitation. All in all, there statements only proves that they were there due to dealing with human rights issues as well as religious ones. You can find their statements with a quick search here: http://www.osce.org/gsearch?qr=Jehovahs+witnesses+statement

They didn't have mutual plans, they're statement, as to other faiths at OSCE were to speak on religious issues. in Olden times, It didn't stop the students of John, Peter, and Paul or those Pre-Nicene Christians prior to and after the council. Believe it or not, religious folk, long before all the denominations existed, did defend bible truth and their followers when time calls for it, especially in the realm of Christian persecution (since the world of Christianity today see human rights violations as a major issue, thus such meetings even exist). From a Christian's point of view, they will do what is needed in God's eyes to make sure that the gospel continues to spread and that nothing would cease the message from getting out. In this day and age, not only it is a matter of getting the gospels out, but also in regards of Human Violations and Rights.

God does see what is in the hearts of man. He also sees what those who follow would do in order to preserve truths, protect its followers, and making sure the gospel reaches people; not ceases, or in this case, what the New Testament have stated on when the gospel spreading will cease. Such a thing cannot be stopped by Man, hence why it is understandable that they attempt to do something to prevent any harm to missionary work or the teaching of scripture. As for the OSCE, as stated before, they were invited to these meetings, just as others who were invited to speak their mind.

At the end, for example, if I had the power to attempt to shut down Christianity, denomination after denomination, surely to prevent any mistreatment of members, as well as halting any knowledge of God, you'd probably be the first to accept invitation from those who seek to stop my actions, especially if I had the resources to halt freedom to practice worship/religion that would effect a great multitude of people, perhaps ban and suspend those who get in my way, you would  know that even God wouldn't want such a thing to happen, let alone Jesus himself or the Angels who also watches Man on earth. The thing is here, Christian minorities will do what is needed to prevent such persecution being done to them, especially if it hinders one's ability to freely practice their faith and worship of God. Also if I won in that example I have given, the first course of action was to tag warrants for investigation for any man or woman who is caught uttering anything from scripture, should I succeeded in this example (or my own little parable if you will), Christians would consider my actions vile, perhaps even far worse. In this sense, it is a reality that some face today, even Jehovah's Witnesses (mainly in the Asian and European countries).

Being representatives at the OSCE isn't strongest argument against Jehovah's Witnesses. The presentations are to the OSCE to promote religious freedom, an activity in itself the Christian denominations are 100% open about, even Jehovah's Witnesses. They openly go to court and meet with politicians if it will promote freedom of worship. 

I myself know if God doesn't want his word to be lost, halted, falsified and or tarnished, he would use his people to correct these wrongs and or speak up to prevent any of such from happening.

My other sources, the ones I left out from my previous post:

http://www.osce.org/odihr/268401?download=true

http://perimeno.ca/TheEuropeanAssociationofJW - Egypt.pdf

http://perimeno.ca/JW - statement to the OSCE Sept - Oct 2008.pdf

Final note: Paul confronted Cesar, not only making the gospel known, which was also mentioned on Euseblus's documents.

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On other hand, in last period (decade or more) of time WT JWorg with its representatives and lawyers going together with other churches in defending some religious rights and Court cases when want defend JW religious rights. They siting together in OSCE conferences too. 

 By that they are also part of Worlds religious system, don't they?   :))

Defending of one's religion doesn't make them part of what you claim they are, in addition, world religion leaders in general are part of the Israeli Interfaith and said members of the Interfaith NGO are sponsored by ECOSOC and or UNICEF (any sponsor affiliate that enables one to aid UN in decision making), putting them in the chair when it comes to UN affiliations and decision making, NGOs who are not sponsored and or don't meet DPI criteria, remaining as a associate member, don't have that luxury. The other thing is, Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as several denominations are not gullible, examples being the Religious Reformation of October 2017

That being said, in a short and simple answer: Because the Jehovah's Witnesses and or any religious denomination who attended the OSCE, does not automatically make them part of the World's Religious System, UNLESS, said religious groups are the one's pulling the strings behind everything and aiding that of Superpowers, governments, UN decisions, and the like. Plus it wouldn't make sense that the Jehovah's Witnesses helped in making decisions either besides defending religious/human rights, for France has robbed them financially, Russia has been a Dog on Bone when it comes to the religious denomination of JWs, as well as the UN's Anti-Semitic nature to some religious groups (Members of Islam, Jewish, other from Christian denominations, including JWs) in the past.

Defending rights doesn't make one part of the World's religious system, evident through early church Fathers and even students of Jesus' Apostles.

I have paraphrased the below to keep it somewhat short instead of literally posting a page of information.

First you need to understand what it means, OSCE means this: Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_Security_and_Co-operation_in_Europe

The OSCE conference the representatives of civil society sit with governments on an equal footing. Its extensive attendance list also included representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses; individuals from Poland, Russia, Germany, and or any persons in the European area that attended.

Not sure of the actual date, but if I am not mistaken it took place around September 24 - October 5, 2007.

The Jehovah's Witnesses made something fairly clear in one of their Awake magazines from 1997, whereas the topic in question says this: OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed?

It says:

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AFTER World War II, a power struggle arose between Western democratic capitalist countries and the Eastern Communist Soviet bloc. Each bloc developed its own security organization: the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in the West and the Warsaw Pact in the East.

By 1975 the Cold War had thawed enough for 35 States, including the United States and Russia, to sign what came to be called the Helsinki Agreement. The Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) was born. It was a multilateral forum for dialogue and negotiation between the two blocs.

At the Budapest Summit in 1994, the CSCE changed its name to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Today, it is composed of 54 participating States, including the United States, Canada, and all the countries of the former Soviet Union.

Its Objective

The objective of the member nations of the OSCE is to guarantee the security of Europe as well as to foster the implementation of human rights, disarmament, democratic freedoms and the management of regional conflict.

A summit meeting of the OSCE was held in Lisbon, Portugal, on December 2-3, 1996. At first, attention was focused on NATO, since several NATO members, including the United States, are in favor of the expansion of NATO to include more nations from Central and Eastern Europe. But rather than support the enlargement of NATO to include former Eastern bloc allies, Russia and some of her former Eastern bloc allies want the OSCE to become the forum for matters of European security.

The Russian prime minister, Viktor Chernomyrdin, said at the meeting: “We are in favor of strengthening the OSCE, which is the only place in Europe where all States can work together. It is the best international place for discussing security and defense.”

The radiant afternoon sun seemed to create a climate of general optimism at the close of the summit, despite the comments of the press regarding its nebulous results. Whatever success or failure the OSCE may realize, peace lovers everywhere can be assured that true peace and security will soon be realized earth wide under the rule of God’s Kingdom.—Psalm 72:1, 7, 8. —g97 8/22 p. 31 OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed?

From Jehovah's standpoint, is it alright for a worshiper of his to attend conferences of a worldly political organization, such as the OSCE, and address its delegates? Regarding Eusebius (Well known Church Father, best imho), who is highly regarded by many as "The Father of Church History," and who attended the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 C.E., convened by Roman Emperor Constantine, a A Watchtower article (2003, 7/15 , pg. 29-31) states the following:

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Why did Eusebius cave in at the Council of Nicaea and support an unscriptural doctrine? Did he have political objectives in mind? Why did he attend the council in the first place? Although all the bishops were summoned, only a fraction—300—actually attended. Was Eusebius perhaps concerned about preserving his social status? And why did Emperor Constantine regard him very highly? Eusebius sat at the right hand of the emperor at the council.

Apparently Eusebius ignored Jesus’ requirement that His followers be “no part of the world.” (John 17:16; 18:36) “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?” asked the disciple James. (James 4:4) And how appropriate is Paul’s admonition: “Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers”! (2 Corinthians 6:14) May we remain separate from the world as we “worship [the Father] with spirit and truth.”—John 4:24. —w03 7/15 p. 31 Eusebius—“The Father of Church History”?

The article, quoting from James 4:4, rightly notes that the friendship with the world is enmity with God, and if this applied to Eusebius back in 325 C.E. then it certainly applies also to Christians today, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. As the scripture goes on to tell us, "Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God."

There is good reason why God has told his people not to put their trust 100% in the nobles among them, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." - Psalms 146:3-5; compare to Jeremiah 17:5-8, 13.

The leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses know full well that one cannot be partaking of the table of God and the table of demons, without inciting Jehovah to jealousy -1 Corinthians. 10:20-22.

We personally do not know or aware of the things being done behind closed doors by the ones we look at to as our leaders, but we do know that everything is seen and heard by God, him with whom we have an accounting. Examples of this is Moses Sister Miriam and Aaron, even though Moses wasn't with them as they spoke, but God knows, God's eyes is on all who walk the earth, on the creatures that roam the lands and in the sea, in addition, this reflects Isaiah's prophecy rings for God's people today based on Isaiah 9:15-17.

Information on the Reformation:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41817418

Note: I will not go into detail of what it signifies, but this has caused mass concern for those within Christianity, well those who hasn't submitted themselves to side with the world religious leaders whereas for it's intentions and goals with aid from the UN. This event has put most Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses to have a common opponent, even some who are neutral with JWs share this common enemy.

What can be said is the Reformation is something that is not a good thing, to the world leaders and religious leaders of false teachings, yes, but never to those who know the bible, those who know God and Jesus, they won't fall to tactics like that so easily.

As for World Leaders, they are all join together, thanks to the UN, they were able to start their conquest for Peace.

Be careful of whom you cast your stones at.

Source: http://perimeno.ca/Letters_1107_OSCE.htm

Some people just don't have time for the press lol.

This is what real cult behavior looks like, the doctor didn't see things like this:

 

The fact of the matter is, there are people who want to learn who God is and who Jesus is in order to gain life that is eternal and everlasting, John 17:3. But some blind teachers tend to stray people from the truth and into accursed teachings, as Galatians 1:1-8 describes.

One of the very reasons why Muslims tend to mock Christianity because of what majority of Trinity believers turned Christianity into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2L0b2z6WsM (more silliness)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crqgGy2MDJY (Crazy Christian Children Preachers)

 

 

Some Christian with cult-like behavior tend to have some "style" compared to those who seem possessed; gotta admit, this Christian guy dances better than me tbh.

 

 

Children Edition:

 

It is kinda funny how some who use John 1:1 and claim Jesus is God has no idea of the biblical, historical and scriptural context via manuscripts.

That being said, it is correctly translated to "a god" or "was a god", and such as been stated waaaaaaaay before Jehovah's Witnesses/Bible Students have been established.

I will not go into detail because when I tend to explain something, I go full on context, and I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses are in the write for correcting the wording in that text.

Other variations of rendering John 1:1 also exist (simple wiki search):

You see here most tend to go with "a god" or "was a god", in addition, ancient Greek differs from modern Greek. In ancient times, they rarely use uppercase letters.

NOTE: some translations tend to use Divine or divine, Deity or deity, vice versa. what is 100% true regardless of translation, "The Word was With God". Another thing to add, Jesus can't be God the Father because

A::: Shema Yisrael, something that Jesus had to do since he was a Jew born in the law and he included this in prayer to God

and

B::: When Jesus was a Baby, Zechariah thanked God, even giving God praise in Luke 1:68, 69, he began to speak due to Holy Spirit bestowed upon him for Zechariah spoke to God pretty much about Lord Jesus who was still in the womb of Mary. Jesus is refereed to as the Horn of Salvation, in English, The Savior (Born Powerful Savior).

Sahidic Coptic to English - In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word

14th century: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word" – Wycliffe's Bible (translated from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate)

1808: "and the Word was a god" – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.

1822: "and the Word was a god" – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)

1829: "and the Word was a god" – The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)

1863: "and the Word was a god" – A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)

1864: "the LOGOS was God, This was in the Beginning with God" – A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)

1864: "and a god was the Word" – The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)

1867: "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God" – The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible

1879: "and the Word was a god" – Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)

1885: "and the Word was a god" – Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885)

1911: "and the Word was a god" – The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911)

1935: "and the Word was divine" – The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago

1955: "so the Word was divine" – The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.

1956: "In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity" – The Wuest Expanded Translation[16]

1958: "and the Word was a god" – The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed" (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

1962, 1979: "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" – The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)

1966, 2001: "...and he was the same as God" – The Good News Bible

1970, 1989: "...and what God was, the Word was" – The Revised English Bible 1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" – Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany

1975: "and the Word was a god" – Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);

1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos" – Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin

1993: "The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one." — The Message, by Eugene H. Peterson.[17]

 

I speak to defend the scriptures, and that is what I intend to do.

On 12/26/2017 at 2:16 PM, Matthew9969 said:

Matthew 28:19 ¹⁹Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Question I have is since the Holy Spirit is just an active force, why is 'it' listed specifically in this verse?

And may the Swartz be with you!

I will be brief (kinda) because I have made note of such a while ago by some Muslim guy was trying to put all Christians into one category.

To understand why it says what it says in Matthew 28:19, you'd have to go back a verse, as well as look at other verses in context with the one you are focused on, from a perspective as a Christian and from a perspective as on how early Christians interpret it (An example would be Church Father and Historian Eusebius).

What Jesus was saying in Matthew 28:18 is that the Father has given him, the Son, all authority. We must now check out as to how this occurred. This authority is administered by the Holy Spirit in the disciples who baptize all nations. The reason Father (Yahweh/Jehovah), Son (Yeshua/Jesus), are mentioned together here is because we have just been told all authority has been given by the Father to the Son, in this sense, Jehovah God has bestowed authority and power to Lord Jesus Christ. With this in mind, the reason Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned altogether is because this authority given to Jesus is administered by his servants via the Holy Spirit. So when we come to the book of Acts and see them baptize in the name of Jesus we should not see this as contradicting Jesus' instructions in the gospel of Matthew. Baptizing them in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit wasn't really something they were supposed to say out loud when they were baptizing. Jesus was explaining on what terms they would be doing this baptizing. Since Jesus had been given all authority he would now send out these disciples in HIS name because HE had been given that authority by the Father. And Jesus sent them out by filling them with the Holy Spirit (John 20:22), hence the meaning of Baptism and or Ritual Washing/Mikveh, that the follower is now following the teachings of this teacher.

To insist that name here is a proper name of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" is an hermeneutic violation of the immediate context ignoring the fact that all (singular) authority/power had been given to Jesus alone as seen in Matthew 28:18. This occurred when God raised him from the dead (Risen Jesus) and seated him at His right hand, hence God given authority. The one thing which the singular name is pertaining to is the one authority of God the Father (Yahweh/Jehovah) through God's Son (Yeshua/Jesus) in God's Holy Spirit (God's Active force and or his hands/fingers as described in both Psalms 8:3, 19:1 and in Luke 11:20/compare to Matthew 12:28). The disciples are to do these things in the name of the authority of the Father, given to the Son, by the Holy Spirit, this is why Jesus commanded his disciples to do nothing until they had received the Holy Spirit from on High (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-5,8; 2:33,36). The interpretation presented here is demanded not only by the ancient concept of a name but the force of the immediate context and the consistent testimony of the Scriptures. As such, the word name is not a reference to one identity, but to one plan and purpose of authority.

Another thing to know within the origin of Baptism (this is kinda off-topic), there is a custom called The Mikveh (מקווה). The bible does not use the Mikveh, however, it is used in context, as seen in Genesis 1:9, described as a "collection of water". In 1 Corinthians 1 :14-16 Paul explains baptism of individuals, in this sense, a teacher who baptizes his disciples in an immersion of water, in the Mikveh, in his name, which means that the follower is now following the teachings of this teacher, which is evident in Paul's actions in the New Testament, coming his disciples. This is what is met in Acts 2 :38, which signifies that when one is baptized in Jesus' name, it means they now follow the teachings of Jesus.

9 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Rut-roh..Jehovah's witnesses have the upmost hatred for the catholic church and catholics.

Well majority of Christendom does (share in the dislike/hatred) others just dislike or consider it wrong, but do their best to speak truth to those in the Catholic Camp. Even greater now for reasons being what took place in late October 2017 caused an uproar in the Christian communities of all.

In a sense, the Reformation is a collection of Religious Leaders who comply with what Pope Francis is doing, so it is understandable from the perspective of Jehovah's Witnesses.

That being said, ever group has it problems for we are all imperfect, the very thing that binds us all together because we inherit such from Adam and Eve.

As I stated before, there are many Russians who don't like where things are going, they fear a Soviet-Era based Russia, and the worse is yet to come as March 2018 continues to come closer by the day.

On 12/30/2017 at 7:44 AM, Sektenkult said:

Aha and why cant you leave than the cult? Do you need this stock company watchtower inc in your life if you are not a share holder?

Yes this was heard, however you fail to know everything else that surrounds Australia itself in regards to its laws and customs. However bashing of one's religion is "childish", but it seems evident from a man who likes to waste his time.

For me I respect the Jehovah's Witnesses a lot, this is coming from a guy who knows Christian history and manuscripts of the oldest source, which the Jehovah's Witnesses stick to. Believe it or not, a friend of mine who is a Jehovah's Witnesses is the reason why my brother is no longer a depressed wreck because of an "issue" he had before he moved out, a clean and new man. Other then that, they are doing a lot of right bible-wise and as a Christian compared to most.

FYI, if you are one of the guy's I ran into before, please tell your troop to not make fun of the Manchester Bombing whereas people were killed in cold blood. It would put my heart at ease when you guys actual act "human" when such things take place.

At the end of the say there is good people, and there is bad people, and only bad people will have the intent to do bad whereas the opposite will have the intent to do what is good.

On 12/30/2017 at 3:52 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

That Russian act is more proper and morally justified than of WT when they sell their KH, for money of course too, to some "false religion" church or to some "worldly" business manager.  :)) For hospital or some other human, charity purpose is very good. Devil in russian government is not so "evil" as we think before.

There is a lot going in Russia that some do not realize, and has caused an uproar in the Russian community; I stated this before and what I say is true.

That being said, as March 2018 draws near, the FSB and Kremlin continue to play the same tactic with opposers, so called "Heroes" and religious minorities.

It is better to see things going on in Moscow by looking up news in Russia by the media that has not been blocked by the State Duma.

To thing the internet would meet such a terrible fate by the likes of this guy (Even Mark Hamill aka Luke Skywalker doesn't like him):

and his Reese's mug

 

 

Looks Project Blue Beam-sque to me. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml

Also a reminder of the "fake sky" thing of 2016.

All I know is my buddy, who is a Jehovah's Witness, his uncle is like one of those guys who is ready for ANYTHING. They know a thing or two about survival because camping was something they do a lot, his uncle on the other hand was more advanced in these things, even knowing what plants is edible and how to survive in an environment that yields no electricity, no light, etc. He is one of those guys who knows how to live without the use of electronic devices, so I know who to go to when things go down.

My friend mentioned several months back there had been EMP and nuclear drills going on in the Tri-State area, closer to New Jersey there was the Gotham Shield (not a Batman thing, but this was real) thing going on, which only a few people were aware of.

Not only you will have to worry about getting through the day by surviving off of food,water and essentials, but you'd have to be subtle and stealthy as possible, for people will go nuts like in a post-apocalyptic type vibe. So people will be lone wolves or be in groups to kill, steal, and kidnap people. Then you have to worry about wild beasts for they will run rampant, i. e. since the zoos will be down, possibility of wild beasts getting out in the streets, woodland areas and the like.

I think I went overboard lol, but the thing is. Survival is possible, as long as you are food ready and water ready, but there will be a chance, a high chance, of people going lone wolfing or wolf packing on those who have things, and Anything goes, anyone who is armed will try and do something, others who are armed or know some type of defense techniques will be ready to defend themselves and those they protect. One has to be very wise to stay below radar, avoid conflict and try to survive.

In today's society, people tend to care more for electronics, then food itself. This guy gives a good point on the day of Black Friday:

14 hours ago, Claudia Sanchez said:

I would say actions speak louder than words.

The Catholic Church runs hospitals, food banks, shelters that assist the entire world and have been doing so for over a thousand years.

The JW's make a big deal about sending water to people in Houston who have lost thier homes..... and by that I mean THEIR OWN PEOPLE..... 

Talk to me when you guys are actually working to help humanity in general instead of focusing on everyone's eternal damnation.

Jesus fed the hungry and took care of the sick.... EVEN IF THEY WERE CHRISTIANS.

 

Jehovah's Witnesses are told not to donate to charities and give all money to make watchtowers that have been calling for Armageddon since 1879.

Try actually LIVING as a Christian and then come talk to me about whether or not you can be called so.

To be fair, there has been a Jehovah's Witness group that had been recorded giving supplies and water to people and some guy uploaded a video of this during the whole Texas Hurricane thing. Opposition eventually came to this video and did whatever it took to vote down, dislike and eventually get the video removed/or user made it private because the hate in the comment section was off the charts, an hour later a video popped up from another user claiming JWs didn't do anything at all. I know this because I am that One Storm Trooper that hangs around the block a couple times, if you catch my drift lol.

Since I watched the video before it got removed, not only did the JWs help their own, but they did indeed help others, the same could be said for Mexico and Florida and Puerto Rico. Not everyone Christian can prove works by opening a shelter, school, etc. The only thing that matters is the good YOU can do as an individual Christian and promote the teachings of Jesus Christ about his Father and the Kingdom that is to come.

I was told by someone in a place I use to work at, he was a non-religious guy who respects Christianity (only a few denominations), he had said to me that if Jesus was alive today, he would do the good that he can do with the little he has, and one of the main important things that matters most is getting the gospel of the good news across by any means necessary, and that is what counts. But building those things would be a plus, but it isn't necessary to get the message out.

Yeah the bible was written for all. But there are those out there that want to or has altered the bible so people can cherry pick it.

Believe or not, this Trinity belief that some seem to toot around is the sole purpose as to why Christianity in the US and the EU is declining fast. Only those that know the truth remain steadfast.

That being said, I have recently delved deep into looking into manuscripts and the history for some, like the Septuagint for example.

Hipsters tend to think of the most wildest things, this one fits the bill.

It makes you think you know, sorry if I get a bit of off topic. There has been a lot of talk about Religion, a lot of UN stuff, and a lot of Religious unity things in the light of October 2017's reformation.

What is going on in Jerusalem now, US Evangelicals inside the White House wanted this, disregarding the chaos going on in the Holy City as if nothing is happening there.There has been unnecessary deaths, a lot of them that the news isn't talking about.

Russia is getting alarming powered up by the church and state, meanwhile they claim victory of an enemy that can't really be defeated in the Middle East. This goes for the other things taking place in Europe, Asia and the Emirates.

2018 is gonna be that one roller coaster right that made you scream like you never scream before.

Next thing you know, robots will turn on humans. As if movies and games taught us anything, you anger the machines, they will retaliate. It all comes down to intelligence.

Elon Musk sure loves his A.I. So far A.I.s can get a success rate in doing surgical tasks, gaming, getting information, can destroy anyone in a game of chess, and more. In otherwords..... SKYNET!

 

 

Venezuela itself has been and is relatively dangerous now with all the things taking place prior leading to what the country is now and possibly for the future.

Brazil as a whole is dangerous.

The Russian Orthodox Church, as said by the Russians, do not like competition, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses weren't really trying to compete with them to begin with. The RoC and their allies (Alexander Dvorkin, French NGOs, The Satanist of Moscow, etc), hence why faiths that are seen as targets by the RoC are targeted, with the Jehovah's Witnesses being the more persistent and more harder to hit then others. They are paving a path for March 2018.

What has been going on in Russia is that since the JWs are not able to preach, the RoC begun street preaching, since most JW church halls are closed, also including other denominations who are not part of the RoC, the RoC has expanded especially in the domain of social media. Outside of Russia related things, not only are Christians being attacked more and persecuted, but there is a massive decline in Christianity, mostly to youth and millennials around the world. All this foreshadowing of the things to come, kinda like in a game or a movie when things begin to intensify, it is happening as we speak, especially with what went down late October 2017.

 

The ban on the bible is only a setup as to what this video speaks of (in the near future it won't just be the nwt bible banned, when something becomes prohibited, others will follow suit).

 

It will be a bad time for those sleeping on what is going on worldwide, mainly with the United States on the world stage when it comes to education, religion, politics and a never-ending increase of debt as the numbers going to go up: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Just when you start to realize machines in terminator, star wars, mega man, irobot, matrix, the list goes on, start to become a reality as each day goes by.

They already making sophisticated A.I., an this comes to mind.

Well there are reaction videos and all and a lot of checklist post as to how the persons in this video (husband and wife) aren't jws lol.