Anyone read into this? Before the media started talking about it, this circulated online in several communities, even among the YouTube community by some. Not only this woman is missing, she was mental unstable. She was said to have been interviewed by a police officer prior to being missing. The Boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, returned home with the van to his family. The timeline of this missing persons case is both suspect and bizarre, even in the community I am in, some are confused as they wait for more information. Regarding Brian Laundrie, with the story going around, he applied the remain silent, so it seems to be going for the Miranda Warning/Miranda Rights (You have the right to remain silent) therefore he isn't speaking with the police after the Gabby went missing for an extent amount of time (the right which he is under to not speak to them ) and most likely giving information to an attorney around this time (another right which allows him to have access to an attorney). The Petito family is also calling out to the Laundrie Family, who, in this regard, succumb to bystander syndrome in this case. Granted this is a labyrinth of a situation, he is technically innocent until proven guilty.

The below is from a crime watch source. Also best to pass this information along to someone who lives in that area who can take part in a search, if need be.

‘Mental health crisis.’ New documents show missing 22-year-old and boyfriend were in an argument in Utah

MOAB, Utah— New documents released by the Moab Police Department in Utah outline what happened before a 22-year-old New York woman went missing.

Gabby Petito and her boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, went on a cross-country road trip in their white van, which they retrofitted for camping. They visited national parks in various places in the West. Laundrie came back to Florida, where the couple lives, with the white van but not with Petito. Click here for previous coverage.

RELATED: Missing woman’s family says her boyfriend refuses to say what happened as police investigation deepens

 

Moab Police said Wednesday that they responded to an “incident” involving Petito and Laundrie on Aug. 12.

“The details outline a disorderly conduct call,” police said in a report. “Officers were dispatched to a domestic problem that had taken place near Moonflower Co-Op.”

 

One officer wrote, “The driver of the van, a male, had some sort of argument with the female, Gabbie, as I recall. The male tried to create distance by telling Gabbie to go take a walk to calm down. She didn’t want to be separated from the male and began slapping him. He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed him and the van. He tried to lock her out and succeeded except for his driver’s door. She opened that and forced her way over him and into the vehicle before it drove off.”

Police said Petito was “thinking he was going to leave her in Moab without a ride. As Gabrielle started to swing, Brian pushed her away to avoid the slap.”

The report continues to state that a witness saw Petito and Laundrie arguing over a phone. Petito reported that she was struggling with her mental health, which led to the incident that was reported to officers. Petito was in a “confused and emotional state” and couldn’t “stop crying, breathing heavily, or compose a sentence without needing to wipe away tears, wipe her nose or rub her knees with her hands,” police said.

 

Police redacted details about Petito’s mental and emotional issues, though Petito and Laundrie told them she suffered from “serious anxiety,” Laundrie had some issues as well and neither was taking medication.

Laundrie told officers that he and Petito spent the last four to five months together traveling. The time spent created emotional strain between them and increased the number of arguments. However, “No one reported that the male struck the female — both the male and the female reported they are in love and engaged to be married and didn’t wish to see anyone charged with a crime,” police said.

“I do not believe the situation escalated to the level of a domestic assault as much as that of a mental health crisis,” one of the officers said.

Officers suggested the two separate for the night, and they both agreed to separate until the following day. Gabby had the van, while Laundrie was taken to a hotel by an officer. Nobody was charged in the incident.

READ THE INCIDENT REPORT FROM MOAB POLICE

Investigators in North Port, Florida, are naming Laundrie a person of interest in the case. He has not answered any questions for police regarding the disappearance of his girlfriend. Laundrie has hired a lawyer.

The Petito and Schmidt family released the following statement to media outlets on Wednesday:

“Every day the search for Gabby continues the Schmidt and Petito family becomes more desperate. They are frantically searching for answers and information in their daughter’s disappearance while Brian sits in the comfort of his home.

 

Brian claims he wants to sit in the background while we search for Gabby in the wilderness of the Grand Teton and Yellowstone national parks.

Brian left Gabby in the wilderness with grizzly bears and wolves while he sits in the comfort of his home. In his home!

Brian, how could you do this to Gabby? You selfishly remain silent while Gabby is all alone in the wilderness.

Brian, your silence is reprehensible! We beg you to do the right thing and help us bring Gabby home.

Brian, whatever happened in Wyoming, happened. The only thing you can control is what you do now. Tell us where Gabby is.

You tarnish (your) love for her with your silence.”

The national search into the disappearance of Petito is spanning across several states. The North Port Police department in Florida is heading the investigation, along with the FBI.

RELATED: Urgent search for missing woman who was in Grand Teton National Park

Petito’s white van was recovered at her home on Saturday, Sept. 11, the same day she was reported missing. The home is shared with Laundrie and his parents.

North Point Police said in a news release on Facebook on Wednesday that the van has been fully processed for evidence on Tuesday evening.

 

 

Police said they know Brian returned to North Port on Sept. 1, 10 days before Petito’s family reported Petito missing on Saturday. Currently, there is no information that a crime occurred in North Port.

“As a father, I can imagine the pain and suffering Gabby’s family is going through. We are pleading with anyone, including Brian, to share information with us on her whereabouts in the past few weeks. The lack of information from Brian is hindering this investigation. The answers will eventually come out. We will help find Gabby and we will help find anyone who may be involved in her disappearance,” says North Port Police Chief Todd Garrison.

According to family, they were in contact with Petito the last week of August. Before the last communication, Petito is believed to have been in Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming. A family friend told EastIdahoNews.com that Petito’s stepfather, Jim Schmidt, flew into Jackson, Wyoming, to help investigators in the search for Petito at the park.

Petito is known to be very active on social media, but her last post dates to Aug. 25. Her Instagram also became deactivated at one point, and investigators are researching why. Currently, Petito’s account is back on and normal, and it doesn’t appear that investigators took over the account.

The last Instagram post from Petito on Aug. 25 shows her in front of a butterfly mural in Ogden, Utah called The Monarch. The Monarch posted on Facebook and said they are looking through security footage.

 

 

The FBI has set up a national hotline to receive tips, 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324).

Petito and Brian were traveling in a white 2012 Ford Transit van with Florida license plate QFTG03. Gabrielle, 22, is white, about 5 feet 5 inches tall and 110 pounds. She has blond hair and blue eyes, and several tattoos, including one on her finger and one on her forearm that reads, “Let it be.”

13 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Considering who Saddam Hussein really was, I think any manufactured excuse was excellent to hang them, and him.

Grrrrrrrr.

Which led to revenue taking in some parts of Afghanistan. Most Middle Eastern countries were on the Hit List of the US, and Julian Assange had quite a lot to say about it. Syria was next, this got the United Nations involved, but they failed with the accusations of the chemical attack, which some connected to the Coalition group known as Jayish Al-Islam.

That being said, Big Pharma will take a loss here with opium (which is technically good for those who suffer from the opium crisis), concerning the fact that the Poppy Farms are no longer under US control, however, the secondary contender on the second faction of the United Nations, China, is taking interest in The Taliban while at the same time pointing a gun at Taiwan. To quote someone who is among my sources, a Devilishly dangerous game of cards when the super powers involved.

When Fall comes in, there will be a bit of chaos outside of the 1984-ish situation taking place in the EU.

11 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But I keep coming back to the point that here in the UK we have had two investigations. The Charity Commision and the IICSA. What are the authorities doing in the USA ? What investigations ? 

This surpasses those two things entirely, The Charity Commission and the IICSA, it seems you focus on these things because that is what the media has been getting their information from. The media themselves will not tell you those affiliated with high status and or the gangs themselves who abuse children and even fi they did, the law won't do much to them, if anything, for example, they injure the Dragon, they can't kill it and are overwhelmed by it. Moreover, if that was the case concerning them, the situation with Mr. Robinson would have been dealt with in Oxford years ago, as with similar ones in which some of these child molesters end up returning to their grooming gangs and pedophiles over the years, hence why not dealing with the problem properly will only result in more problems, granted, most British people are unaware of what is taking place down their block. Likewise with the IOPC, they knew how bad CSA was online and how it can spill over outside of the Internet, and at times, would not go about doing anything about it in some cases. Weakness at this level encourages more pedophiles to act, some coming out of the woodworks, and see targets anywhere in any institution.

This will continue, granted that some abusers can easily get away from the law, if it status plays a role, they are out without much jail time or none at all. This also created a powder keg of things too regarding Muslims, in correlation with something incorrect Robinson did was to blame all Muslims for grooming gangs they have no affiliation with or know about - long story short, this got a lot of people into fights, people being hunted, accused, beaten and killed, and it later sparked some to commit such action against British people if they can't get their hands on an unaware Muslim person who has nothing to do with these gangs or kidnappings who not only abuse children, but also set them up in a way to sell them off for sex to that of those who are ill pleasure seeking immoralists, not even pedophiles themselves. This also led to misinformation and conspiracy they begets problems.

There was also footage of even debates going on about this regarding CSA and the UK as a whole concerning these pedophilia gangs, even the more focused on on Robinson's warpath on pedophile grooming gangs, but mistakenly assuming all Muslims did this when a Muslim who knew the Law spoke up (granted the majority often went for unaware people instead of those knowing law). I believe I posted this before, if anything I would have to find that information again.

Normally regarding CSA, I seen a lot in this realm, even in the Truther Community, CSA is among the top things, alongside missing persons cases, talked about other than the UN, political paradigm, etc. Concerning the situation in the UK, which isn't being dealt with, how these gangs operate is that they groom the kidnapped for forced indoctrination after raping them. These gangs consist of religious and non-religious folks and among the pedophilia chain and they're of many races, some even overseas, i.e. if an abuser cannot commit his or her action in the US or Asia, they'll go to the UK, to commit these acts, and or somehow gain access to victims through experienced groomers, etc. These people are out to inflict pain with their ill intent, and are remorseless.

This also overwhelmed the Police in the UK to not be as prepared when it came to CSA, for in some instances, they can stop a crime or be involved resulting in a decent outcome, in other instances, they do nothing because they weren't prepared for it and or a fallout that could come from it, defend the abuser(s), and or succumb to bystander syndrome, and sadly, some of those who uphold the law end up as the abuser themselves acting upon their victims; for women and children are potential targets in this case.

As I said before, abusers can exploit anything, likewise with forgiveness being exploited, an abuser can exploit secular law themselves, which can backfire on the justice system. In the UK is the age of consent being 16, which is still deemed underaged whereas 18 years of age for a boy or a girl becomes a young adult. There the system can be toyed with and the abuser can use that to his or her advantage. Although in the US some states share this age range, it is still technically illegal whereas in the UK it is not.

Now going into the United States, it is similar but different, granted each state operates differently when it comes to child abuse, some states, have laws that can factor in to CSA when it comes to the abuser vs the abused, sadly, some laws allegedly can put the abused child and or teen in a life scaring path. The justice system isn't perfect and can be corrupt in some instances concerning child abuse, depending on the people involved, i.e. the Judge who can punish an abuser and or defend the abuser, when status comes into play the abuser, even before going to court has a technical win, or as of recent, a judge who was found out to have allegedly abused a child, and when discovered he later committed suicide. Americans tend to suffer from bystander syndrome the most when it comes to these things, as for others, they go about with vigilante justice, which can result in a bloody situation, mainly if the information is deemed false, i.e. someone being called a child abuse when it is not true, yet the person is beaten and or killed, and more complex problems come from that. This is why most people tend to educate their kids, granted they know they can't stop dangers when not supervising their kids, but they can teach their kids to protect themselves when the guardians have no view on the child.

That being said, concerning CSA, the rabbit hole goes deeper, some of which things are unknown to you. Because of how deep such things are, I am more so attacking the problem itself, and always have been when given the chance while at the same time profess solution to better protect children, as I mentioned before, such I passed on to some young people, they can protect themselves with said information, even now granted higher education is essentially mentally abusing kids and young adults with brazen conduct. The very reason I am Anti-Establishment to a degree, as is with Anti-Agenda.

That said, although CSA is worldwide and everyone can be effected by it, many things concerning it most do not know and or are unaware, i.e. abusers affiliated with status. Which is proven true because the one pedophile that was booted off of YouTube, Twitter and Facebook was reinstated, Facebook's new method makes it difficult to track child abuse online; everyone uses Facebook, but even they themselves can't spot Red Flags of child abuse. Then you have Twitter who cannot do much to block and erase explicit content concerning child abuse, this goes for social media as a whole.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do you know how, in which way and after how much time "random folks" become JW members?

If you know how pedophiles operate, they go to an institution of their choosing in order to gain access to children, and they go for the ones who are unaware of what sex actually is.

The HOW is they know of said institutions and they take their pick, as well as businesses and clubs, academics, etc. They become a member of said community and gain a position

The WHEN is when they choose to act and the time it takes for them to earn the trust of the people in the community, even the children and from there they seek a target. This is when the mind games and manipulation comes into place.

An example of this is the abuser Larry Nassar. He got into an institution, did his time, and took action, earning everyone's trust. Reasons why the FBI, one of their branches, were exposed to being caught off guard regarding the situation, and now it costed them and the USA sport team. Another example is a Judge of the Law committed an act of alleged child abuse, he killed himself afterwards.

Does not matter the position or institution, they will come. even on social media, which Facebook and YouTube are dealing with right now, as with other media.

In relation to child abuse, abuse take a lot of time before they commit an act, be it several months to a year. Reasons why is they need to build trust first while hiding their intentions. This is with every abuser's intent and action, even when they go to JW churches. Often times the abuser is a blood relative usually male, and race wise the FBI attested to that.

That being said, you were told this numerous times.... Why is this very notation regarding child sex abuse is now unknown to you concerning how pedophiles operate and take action?

In turn, they are random folk, looking for a victims. I recommend you learn how to combat abusers, for asking for a HOW and WHEN when it was said numerous times is problematic. If you want to reach a  child, help them even, you need to know how the enemy moves.

5 hours ago, Pudgy said:

The people in the south United States, which really is the southeast United States, are definitely weird.

Like good old Florida. A lot of craziness there. Since we are talking about child abuse, sadly, child on child abuse is committed there as with human trafficking concerning children whereas the guardians, parents are giving their children to people to be abused or violently attacked. It won't be a surprise if the one law that angered many people were to be applied in Florida.

6 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Wealth is determined by how many cars you have up on cement blocks in your front yard and how many dogs you have under your front porch.

Yep. May be different now with inflation, rise in crime and the social credit that is speculated to come.

That being said, the biggest problem concerning child abuse, with everyone, even JWs, is that they do not see the Red Flags, one of them is the abusers being able to manipulate. This is why I mentioned the Arabic JW, the person I learnt from about the Swahili JWs in the States who can detect Red Flags and take action. Such ones also suffer from bystander syndrome in the face of a criminal act as well, hence the exploits mentioned above, which can be used easily so that the abuser can gain access to more children. even in the schools, only this time around, children do not run into abusers as much, but some material now is deemed as child abuse in relation to sex related nonsense deem brazen, for outside of pedophilia, Red Flags regarding this people do not see, hence the problem with higher education and the institutions.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

A saying from our region says: The judge sues, the judge judges. This saying is used when one wants to say that there is no justice, that everything depends on the will of the one who has power.

Unfortunately the United States and the United Kingdom differs in various laws and regulations. Judges and or the court system is both a double edged sword and a double standard.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do you refer to this? 

In the Conti case, the panel upheld the lower court’s ruling that the Watchtower and elders in the North Fremont congregation failed to supervise Kendrick when he preached door to door in the community, a practice Jehovah’s Witnesses call field service.

Yes. In the article I've linked.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

According to Conti, the North Fremont elders would group her with Kendrick for long afternoons of field service. She says he used those opportunities to take her to his house and sexually abuse her.

Also from the article and this took place after testimony, hence the exploit used by the abuser. Essentially such a tactic entraps people, even the JWs in Fremont, who clearly didn't see this Red Flag.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What kind of irony are you talking about that I caused it?

The irony was the fact you didn't mentioned that part of the article in relation to your latter statement. That is where the irony is. Hence why I brought up supervision, and their failure to do so.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

By this you prove my comment. Thanks.

Wasn't that an issue in your other remarks of child abuse in the JW churches? That was why I gave you information on solutions which you ignored at the time. So the fact that the article of which JWI forked for me proves the case here. 

That being said, this is why some of us actually take action, for we believe in the reaching out to teach method which is working. You should do the same. But as pointed out elsewhere, not everyone is up to par on this, as with some here.

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Forgiveness of Sin is one thing. But the Elders cannot 'forgive' breaking the law. It is outside of their 'authority' to do so. 

Seems you are unaware of Forgiveness of Sin as an exploit. When it comes to child abuse, be it sex or violence related, this is exploit heavily, mainly if the abuser seeks another potential victim, which was the case with the article linked. The Law does not apply here, and in the Jehovah's Witnesses' case, they fell into this category, hence their Fremont Church and the situation that unfolded years ago. Someone in the church when it comes to these situation are often times end up as a puppet by the hands of the abuser, granted, he was back in the church, and Conti became victim afterwards, for one to be reinstated even by means of a restriction when forgiveness and acts of repentance was faked only to commit another action.

That said, this exploit is weaponized by pedophiles in nearly all communities, in religion alone, it focuses on the acts of forgiveness/repentance. It is similar to Gang Stalking in Churches or any Religious Institution.

You can narrowly detect this if you know how to see red flags.

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

A person could be forgiven by God for Sin, but should still serve the prison sentence for the Crime. 

You're still undermining the exploit which does not get them prison time in most cases. This is why religious institutions and schools are main targets.

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Sin is spiritual. Crime is physical. God allows those 'superior authorities' / governments / legal bodies, to be in place to deal with Crime. Why would any Christian not  want to serve God properly by hiding criminals.

Christians can be exploited by abusers, even manipulated. This goes for anyone who is unequipped to deal with the situation itself, and or adhere to solutions.

Tragic yes, but people need to see when it comes to pedophiles, they can be masters of manipulation to those who are unaware, mainly due to the fact if their end goal is a sick one. For Fremont JWs, they ultimately fell for the trap and assume he was truly repented, mainly due to the given testimony. Likewise with anyone else in a similar situation.

That being said, the more wicked the person, the more deceptive they can be.

One World Currency incoming as the current means of currency reduces in value, not to mention the state of the petrodollar. One can see the problem granted the latter is a Decentralized currency of which the government wants to dip their hands in next.

Not sure if this is known by you all but regarding 9/11 a lot of forms of media has been altering information, namely wiki, as is with anything concerning recent events for NYT and Guardian doing so proves they, Leftist, cannot be trusted.

Other than that when it happened, I was in elementary school in the Tri-State area. But I was a bit aware in the coming weeks ahead concerning the war, and saw in some points it didn't make sense. US demanded a criminal, and the Taliban asked for evidence, and the US went into the Middle East anyways, hung a dictator due to false claims of WMDs.

@BroRando Although 2034 is far away, do you believe some JWs would survive what the United Nations is planning to do? For by 2030, as is the nearing years to come near it; there is going to be huge changes that will effect the majority of the unaware, even the religious. For Babylon and the White Beast do have tactics against those who are not for them, and the mandate situation and interment camps for some is just a foreshadowing.

I say this because of what happened in the early 00s and 2016.

On 9/11/2021 at 1:21 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And this 'American' law, encouraging Pedophilia. This case proves that the congregation Elders knew that the man was a Pedophile, but they did NOT warn the congregation. 

Depends on which Law you are referring to. America's Justice System is both a Double Standard as well as a Doubled Edged Sword, therefore, rules can be shuffled. It also depends on which state an action or a crime is committed, one of the reasons why pedophiles tend to move around much if they can't gain access to children in an institution and or a neighborhood that is well connected. In regards to the article in question.

The thing with California, is child abuse reporting isn't mandatory to a degree, however, the right of reporting is left in the hands of those involved should they go down that route, be it the church elders themselves, if not them, someone else, perhaps other blood relatives who may be aware, granted, as pointed out before, blood relatives are the primary suspects when it comes to abuse, and they always start with their own before anyone else. And this church of the JWs specifically fell into the Forgiveness of Sin Exploit mostly used by abusers, hence Conti's situation. Therefore, it makes that church congregation, at that time, gullible and shows they didn't know how to combat the problem.

When it comes to Internal Investigation, in their case in Fremont, they mostly felt they had the situation under control, granted, the abuser, Kendrick, used the most used trick in the book highlighted in red.

On 9/11/2021 at 1:21 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Any JW that can live with this obviously has no Christian conscience.  We are back to 'Collateral Damage',  and all for the sake of the idol, the JW Org and it's GB 

I would not say anything. This goes for everyone else. It comes down if solutions are applied or not. If you owned a church, you wouldn't know who among the congregants is a legitimate abuser, and at times a false accusation can be far worse.

Pedophilia is a plague, a problem, and those unaware or suffer from Bystander Syndrome are often used as tools by the abuser.

This is why I do what I do, as with many Truthers, however, the problem we face are Abusers of a ridiculously high status, hence why a counter hit to such ones is solutions. As of recent, an example, now even the FBI, possibly a branch of it, is in subjected to improperly dealing with a pedophile in sports and academics. FBI tends to be those of a higher status as a group, but cannot control those under it, even if regulations are put in place.

That being said, in the JWs case, some of them, they need to adhere to aid solutions and not have the bystander syndrome mindset, this goes for even ExJWs as well for this led to a few of them defending a child groomer.

Speaking of American laws, there are some that are, damning, per say, concerning children that should any abuser, even a JW abuser, were to somehow get involved with it, it would make your head spin. One of the reasons why here in the US, people see the South, as well as the Southwest, as weird.

On 9/11/2021 at 12:58 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

When someone destroys evidence (documentation) from which misconduct/incorrect treatment can be seen, then destroying evidence is tantamount to concealing/hiding evidence. Because, both, destroying and hiding evidence does not contribute to improving the CSA prevention and punishment of those who break the law. It just means more harm to crime victims. Past, present and future victims.

Clearly it does not. Hence why the claim of destroying evidence makes no sense, if anything information is held, in some cases be it institution or law, it is private mainly due to protection to a degree.

Harm can be reduced, but not many has gone down that route. As for the other bit, Secular law in regards to where they are in the land and internal investigation. If not them, others who are known are capable for reporting. When it comes to internal investigations, it can often be handled by the party itself, be it fi the case of abuse is true or not, even suspected. This apply not only to institutions but cooperate as well regarding matters of abuse.

This also proves the point I made many times concerning solutions for those who know and those who do not. One key factor, which, ironically you didn't point out in the article was the focus of supervision. CSA prevention services mainly in some institutions often put emphasis on such.

I remember telling you before, if you are unaware, you wouldn't be able to handle a legitimate abuser, or fight them to some degree, hence, this easily prompts the bystander syndrome.

That being said, there is no issue with internal investigations, but not being properly equipped can cause a risk vs benefit type situation.

https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-4-4000-commercial-litigation#4-4.112

On 8/25/2021 at 8:26 AM, NoisySrecko said:

 

There is a parallel with the Bible Student history chart that is relevant for this discussion that does not align with some opinions here as well.

Two of the listed association renounced it’s fellowship with the Bible Student Association in 1909. The Free Bible Students. That association formed the New Covenant Believers, Christian Millennial fellowship, Free Bible Student Association.

Paul S. L. Johnson was skeptical about Russell’s teaching since 1905 and subsequently lead the Free Bible Students to depart from Russell’s teaching in 1909 as depicted in the chart. This error and lie is not noted in the Bible Student history with that point of departure, since “Henninges” wrote to Russell trying to persuade him to change certain views and when Russell refused, Henninges and the Melbourne congregation left to form their own movement which was called “ the New Covenant Fellowship” in 1909 that is not mentioned in that chart?

That chart doesn’t include how, pilgrim M.L. McPhail and A. E. Williamson from the Chicago Bible Students actually formed the “New Covenant Believers” in 1908 and started their own publication The Kingdom Scribe?

These groups are not mentioned in that chart since it try’s to depict in a simplified manner the major known groups of all the “independent” Bible Students. Keep in mind, Russell didn’t agree with many of the understandings independent congregations were offering as insight. Some of that insight included Millerism, which Russell did not accept nor support.

I just thought this correction should be included here. Not everything written in WIKI should be considered factual.

The source was not from a wiki, it was from CSE - https://christianity.stackexchange.com/

That being said, Wiki has not been factual unless it suits them. In the paradigm, they had recently changed information to misinform people, i.e. 9/11, Kabul, etc.

Also, this is the first time I have ever seen you make a response. I always see you in the reactions.

Essentially what I said back in June 2020, for when certain circumstances are met that they, including others, would join and it didn't have much to do with money, if that were the case, there would not be such a defend for Alt Right narratives back in June, therefore, contradicting. Reasons why you can't take words from an Alt-Right source at 100% at times, i.e. Newscorp who attested to the idea that they would never join at all and giving incorrect reasoning while in reality, some didn't join right away for specific reasons.

That being said, it still does not stop the protesters of the Redress Scheme. But it is kind of miniscule now due to the situation in Australia right now and the fact Australia’s liberal democracy is fractured.

On 9/12/2021 at 4:06 AM, JW Insider said:

Thanks for posting this. On this forum one might even forget that the Catholics have a problem. Also, I've seen statistics that are surprisingly detailed for some religious organizations, reminding me that JWs aren't the only ones who keep records on such issues, including from among their congregants/laymen/parishioners.

Unfortunately CSA is going to get worse from here on out. The UK is known to have problems regarding CSA, even to the point where abusers end up causing a lot of damage directly and indirectly to anything and everyone around them, not just the children. Immorality is a contributing factor to this too.

On 9/13/2021 at 4:29 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

( @Witness mentioned something about the Org making payment to a politician some time back )

She was incorrect, basing her source from reddit, in turn, the source being a known conspiracy theorist. The information regards to the politician, in both cases, were false, even attested by ExJWs who called it out after looking into it further, in addition to Smurf Girl's negative credibility in conspiracy, which isn't too far from Fearon.

This is why you need to be carefully with conspiracy theories. As for paying off, I doubt that. The last time conspiracy theorists connected them to Soros and Rothschild when the protest against JWs in the borough took place, equating them to ANTIFA.

That being said, there is a reason as to why Far Left leaning types are painting some people as such. Police officers and even Judges are subjected to CSA too as some didn't think it was possible.

On 8/11/2021 at 10:45 AM, Space Merchant said:

The same outcome as to which even misinformation and lies are professed as truth, i.e. someone just days ago used an illegitimate source known as Smurf Girl in an attempt to prove a point regarding a Leftist political power, not realizing her own camp called her out for falsehood and wild accusations in parallel to Fearon and Zelda, also deemed false.

As for Child Sex Abuse, it will only get worse for the UK, granted the gangs revolving around CSA are only creating more abusers and victims, in the Truther Community, there was talk about a man arrested in the UK for calling out pedophilia, a legitimate abuser in the person's neighborhood. What makes it even tricky is the fact the abuser is no affiliated with a  school or a church, therefore, less coverage, even more due to the person in question being an immigrant. Although I do not like the Left or Right paradigm, just to point out an exact comparison, this is exactly the same outcome for a UK Right-Winger, Tommy Robinson an activist, who had the same thing happen to him a few years back but this was right after a court case whereas the pedophiles were left free and Tommy was arrested, which puts more evidence on the nature of Status and Protection in the UK just as it is in some areas.

Tragically enough all institutions, including the JWs, were and will again be hit by this, mainly due to the fact that more and more random folks enter said institutions. In the coming months, CSA will be bad, for it is the case with Australia right now due to Authoritarianism.

@Srecko Sostar @Pudgy For a better understanding of what is mentioned, here is one of my old quotes and the link. Matthew at the time assume this to be not true, mocked me for it even, but Truthers are often mocked for such things just like recent events concerning Australia and Afghanistan.

Like I told @Patiently waiting for Truth there are many things around the globe not being talked about at 100% in relation to all things, and soon, when people are backed into a corner, some things that are unclean and evil will not be contain properly.

As a side note, the media says this project was shut down, they essentially pulled a Don Lemon.

On 10/15/2018 at 10:42 AM, Space Merchant said:

The Christians of which I speak of is of those within the realm of the conservatives/liberal, especially those who reside in Silicon Valley; support it even, their cause regarding such, so to speak.

And what is mentioned is actually true, this Project Ambrosia. Project Ambrosia was founded by Stanford graduate Jesse Karmazin, medical school graduate without a license to practice medicine. It is regarding young blood from those in the ages 18 to 24 range, for this young blood of which is spoken of is something on the menu for wealthy folks who believe that the blood of the young can someone prolong their lives. According to Bill Faloon, the 63-year-old former mortician (also the founder of The Church of Perpetual Life and a speaker at The First Transhumanist Church), he even stated himself that such ones can prolong their lives and become more healthier, in his on words he said: “Not only do you get to potentially live longer … but you’re going to be healthier. And some of the chronic problems you have now may disappear.” Now we have Project Ambrosia who began a clinical trial that had about a sum of 80 people over the ages 35 and older with a pay out of $6,000 to $8,000 range, most sources say $8k, to get an plasma infusion from young donors around ages 18-24, other sources say around the ages of 16 and 25. Project Ambrosia wants to publish this information later on in hopes of positive review.

Other connections to Project Ambrosia: Alkahest and The Young Blood Institute

Links:

• https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-the-worlds-first-transhumanist-church-2016-2
• https://reason.com/blog/2018/03/02/the-young-blood-cure-for-aging
• https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/young-blood-transfusions-are-on-the-menu-at-society-gala/
• https://www.businessinsider.com/young-blood-transfusions-launching-first-clinic-new-york-2018-9
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_blood_transfusion
• https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/young-blood-is-worth-285k/

Sounds crazy and unbelieve - to some yes. Stuff like this should not be ignored or played around with.

On 9/8/2021 at 11:46 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

These are things I know nothing about. I wouldn’t even be able to list a gnostic faith if asked.

There is a lot in regards to them that is somewhat confusing and contradicting. Even centuries ago, Bishops took issue with them, namely Irenaeus.

I brought this up before to a Trinitarian who I debated with concerning who is the Christ

On 1/24/2018 at 7:59 AM, Space Merchant said:

Against Heresies

In his work, Against Heresies, it is recognized that he was writing against Gnostic like groups of various kinds, who had turned away from the teachings Orthodox Christian Church.

Irenaeus claims against them were that they did not follow the teachings handed down by the Apostles and the scriptures, resulting in many groups, Sects, with bizarre beliefs. They use scriptures used by Christians, however, Irenaeus wasn’t writing against men who have heretical views that sound somewhat Christian. These are extreme heretical movements that claim to have the true knowledge of Christianity by taking in numerous concepts with Christian belief. He is not debating his points against other Christians who have went astray, but men who are completely distorting Christian beliefs and merging them with various forms of Gnostic-Platonic philosophy and or that of non Judeo-Christian religious beliefs, as a means of forming their own unique religions.

This work of Irenaeus is very important to a solid understanding of the identity of God for two reasons.

First, Irenaeus is defending the apostolic traditions of the church. Second, the Gnostics preached other gods and Irenaeus must argue, even considering it a Christian heresy, for Irenaeus knew who the true identity of the One and Only Christian God and will do anything it takes to defend this truth.

On 9/8/2021 at 11:46 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

What Mediterranean rooted faith are we referring to? Christianity?

Regarding Gnosticism it is a Christian view that isn't aligned with the core teachings, despite the fact some Gnostics believe that it does, namely Valentinus, a theologian of Gnosticism, who saw the beliefs being equal to that of Christianity.

Those who hold faith in the Gnostic view and adhere to its writings surged, resulting in them getting tangled with Christians in that time, this includes some Christian groups in the Mediterranean world, however until mid-late 2nd century, the Fathers of the early Church and or Bishops denounced them as heresy, which goes with what Irenaeus of Lyons had said about Gnosticism in his works. Others also destroyed some of their works, so unlike the Bishops, such ones took it to an extreme; cannot sleep at night knowing that written works of Gnosticism existed, they had to burn it.

Gnostics today believe they're view equates toc ore teachings, however, they are among the many misguided Christians today.

In short, after the Apostles died, things complicated up until and after the councils.

On 9/8/2021 at 11:46 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

That’s what I’m talkin about. How anyone can swallow that stuff I’ll never know.

When you debate Mainstream Christians and Trinitarians for years, their response is always the same. Other times they can be deceptive and deviate from things, Bible wise.

To this day I still keep getting challenged by a UK woman who goes by the name Princess_Sherly, right now, in her words Isaiah 9:6, which confirms Jesus is GOD, you saying it doesn't mean that is you lying in the face of God. REPENT!

2 years ago there was a huge debate on God sending angels to take action, be it to speak a message, or deal with enemies of God's people. The open debate which she started at the time consisted of Unitarians, Jews, Muslims, and islanders who were against the Trinity, there was one JW who was in the debate as well, I believe his name was John Bee. She stated the angels were the Trinity. She pointed out The Trinity were the 3 men in Genesis who later destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, which is incorrect because we know the 3 men to be Angels, for God himself is not a man, the Bible even says this. In regards to the others there, she stated YHWH didn't mean Yahweh or Jehovah, it means Jesus, and she got demolished by everyone for saying that, and of course, the Muslims were clowning around because of that.

But she kept insisting. She later appeared in another debate video regarding a JW vs a Trinitarian, something of which I alluded to in my debate with @Cos regarding that Jesus is God's Son, not God himself.

That being said, this is why when debaters say someone can't debate, mainly if the exegesis is null or reasoning, those who step into the ring often make a fool of themselves, and when correct, they still abide by what is wrong, in turn, become road runners.

7 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I don't remember saying anything like that. But one course for elders (video can be found on YT) provided instructions for destroying private elders ’notes and destroying documentation that could compromise WTJWorg Corporation and other companies and allow lawsuits and damages for the JW Organization.

Then why attest to the other notation of it being hidden if on the other side of the spectrum, destroyed? I recall the video, however, there wasn't a full video, therefore, a small narrative can take everything out of context. More so, this was by word of mouth of one church elder, who took inaction.

That being said, as mentioned in the other thread, the ability to take action has nothing to do with activistism. Child abuse prevention is very clear.

1 minute ago, Matthew9969 said:

I believe this was a case out of California, the society refused to hand over the data base. After the third order by the court the judge ruled contempt on the watchtower and fined them $4000.00 per day until they produced the data base. Maybe try Loyd Evans website?

This - https://revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You do love to aim it at the UK, But I do wonder if some places like India, Pakistan and surrounding areas, and Africa, have a much deeper problem with CSA that is not known about worldwide. 

They do, the only reason it is problematic in the UK because most of the time, even if reported it is dropped. Mainly when it comes to status. I am aware of CSA in the other countries, I was the one who also gave you insight a while back, hence the Congo; I said this to Tom as well

On 3/19/2018 at 3:31 AM, Space Merchant said:

now in regards to the United Kingdom, they will scream, rant and lose their minds on the problems the JWs are dealing with  child abuse on their end, but these same opponents will not bat an eye for the children affected by Rotherham Grooming Gang, the Haut de la Garenne, Newcastle sex rings, and a plethora of other groups and institutions with people of bad intent that have mingled among them without being noticed.

These people still run rampant in the UK, no harm to them at all. It is speculated by some Truthers in the UK that even those of political status are involved, reasons we target Prince Andrew and those like him.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Statistics can only show what is already known. There must be far more going on that is not known.

This is why whatever the media gives you, there is more to it. There are reasons why child abuse is always reported by media for various schools and churches, but never specific persons. Some are afraid to give insight because they fear death, it is that bad. CSA also goes into a deeper aspect to Spiritism in some parts of the UK.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

We have some idea how women are treated in some of those countries, so why would they be nicer to children ? 

I wasn't referring to women in this regard, I was talking about women who sell off their children, child prostitution. Sadly, some children do this willingly because they were taught that this was the correct thing to do, granted there is a level of child abuse whereas you can't do anything or even the law, hence in some cases you can end up in harm's way, mainly if not paying attention to red flags.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I don't know what this is supposed to mean as some Elders were allowed to continue for years in their position even though it was known that they were pedophiles. And some that were d/fed were then allowed back into the congregations. And how many more are still hiding in the JW org. 

Child abuse in the churches of JWs was always problematic because with all religious institutions, it is an open place for anyone to enter. Pedophiles can enter these places of worship and abusers can easily manipulate people and the children inside to gain religious office or a position. Should the person be found out to be an abuser in some cases, manipulation is amplified and the abuser can at times exploits the people around him or her to remain. JWs in this sense are hardwire by Scripture regarding Forgiveness of Sin, in fact, all Christians apply Forgiveness of Sin, therefore the abuser can find a crack in the faith's armor here (someone made a thread about this a while back). When exploited , abusers who hold even a position in the church, Elders or Pastors, if successful can be reinstated, pretending that they repented for their sins only to commit the same acts again, granted the others are already exploited it puts them in a loop, thus becoming a puppet to the abuser, resulting in more children becoming effect.

That being said, as long as abusers exploits forgiveness of sin after manipulating people, they can easily return to a religious institution, it is a bit different with educational institutions or that of business, for those reinstated, likewise with Facebook, YouTube, and others, in regards to YouTube, someone had been reinstated recently, got his channel back after some of us fought this guy in an attempt for him to be terminated.

That being said, granted no JW has went back to their churches since, abusers go by other means to seek children, even going to other institutions who complied to commit their acts.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

What has happened to that massive 25 + years American Pedophile Database that the GB keep hidden and will not hand over to authorities ?

Didn't you or Srecko said before it was destroyed?

That being said, institutions usually have records, in some cases, incomplete at times, mainly if some cases were alleged and may or may not have happened. In regards to the law such information should be accurate, and should it be released by them or the law, it has to be done in a way that it doesn't spawn vigilantes or modern day blood avengers, for there were many instances of this in the past. Even in the Law/Justice system they have records of their own members, if alleged they wouldn't be quick to bring forth in an unprepared manner.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The Australian records went back for 50 years. That was made clear at the ARC.

We discussed about ARC, if I remember correctly JWs were at 1% compared to others. the highest was Catholics, however, not everyone takes ARC into full account, mainly the case studies, they tend to pick what they want to talk about and ignore the rest. One of the reasons why on study regarding JWs people barely talked about. You brought up ARC before.

That being said, Australia CSA is increasing like crazy due to what is taking place now, which, in this sense, makes ARC look small in comparison. the abuse stems from both sex and violence and suppression to the point a child can take his or her own life. That will eventually hit the UK and the US.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

BUT the GB say they only have 25 years of records. Why ?

Most records can be incomplete.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

As the W/t / JW Org started in America they should have records of over 50 years.

Because at the time Bible Students early on were unequipped and unaware of child abuse. Granted how early they started, CSA may not have been a problem among them granted all Christian faiths that came out of the Great Awakening or Christian revival  had good intentions at first.

On 9/9/2021 at 6:08 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And why would you be on their side ? 

On their side in regards to what exactly? There churches are closed, so it is reduced. If I remember, I was the one who brought for solutions from child abuse prevention, but both you and Srecko shut it down and did not apply. Those solutions aided many people, even children I deal with. In another thread you were told what you are doing concerning CSA, some of us here take action, I even said this to you regarding the Redress.

My thread can be found in my quotation here, in order to save a child, you have to reach one:

That being said, better to take action then to armchair the situation. Reaching a child enables him or her to detect an abuser, likewise with an adult who can see red flags. Be it in an institution or online.

As for YouTube, the person we terminated from the platform is known as EDP445, YouTube assume he was repentful so they brought him back. There is another, whom, ironically, 3 ExJWs defended because the abuser was a woman, a call back to my FBI remark; women get off free by some, even by law in some cases.

On 9/9/2021 at 3:35 AM, Pudgy said:

…… be sure to take the “red pill”.

What is “Project Ambrosia”, that inspires hatred and resistance?

Consumption of blood, eating of blood, using blood as a cosmetic to increase life, hence Transhumanism. They believe taking the blood of the young, primarily ages 16-24 will give them life, reasons why they bribe the young with money to take their blood. Then you have the black markets, which is dark and crazy on how they get said blood. There is also Black Magic regarding blood, but that is even more insane than the latter.

It gets darker from there, reasons why I keep it PG regarding blood.

On 9/9/2021 at 1:49 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Transhumanism is a philosophical movement, the proponents of which advocate and predict the enhancement of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies able to greatly enhance longevity, mood and cognitive abilities. -         ^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism}

And yet you do not know what they, even by faith, use the blood for. There is a reason as to why we call them Vampires.

On 9/9/2021 at 1:49 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

JW believe they will experience a change in their body and mind (be "perfect"). But they attribute it to the action of God who will do it, not science, in 1000 year Kingdom, soon.

JWs do not consume or use blood to live longer lives. Therefore, they do not have any sort of connection to Transhumanism. Those of Transhumanism do not like anyone who decline gold standards involving blood.

You have to do more than a wiki sentence to know what the group is capable of. Not knowing makes them an even bigger danger to you directly and or indirectly.

On 9/9/2021 at 8:34 AM, ApostaBabe Linda James said:

When you say, "none of them went back to their churches," are you speaking of the alleged perpetrators or the alleged victims as being the

➡ "none of them [that] went back to their churches?"

So the churches you are referring to would be the Kingdom Hall's, correct?

 

 

A church is a place congregants go to take part in their religious service, similar to a mosque of which those of Islam goes to for worship. Although they refer to it as a Kingdom Hall, the root equates to what the people and the place of worship is; saying church is second nature to me.

When the pandemic began, most churches had to close down, including that of JWs. Child Abuse had reduced because all institutions where such take  place, both religious ones and educational ones were in subjection to lockdowns due to the pandemic.

There is however surge of child abuse initiated by the household by blood relatives, as is with child on child abuse, this excludes child prostitution because info on that is quite murky. Abuse in the household, most, in the pandemic were mixed, among the religious it is very less, going by some events from 2021 to now, actions commit by common folk. What amplifies this even more is the mantra of selling immortality, which can also encourage pedophiles.

JWs are effected by this, for they're not immune to it, no one is. They never went back to their place of worship, mainly in the States, and going by what the Kathgar mentioned no JWs went back to their churches since the lockdown started. Under new ruling should they open, it will be problematic for them.

That being said, we are in an Endemic now, the media will continue to lie to you that this is a pandemic. No one will really be going back to their institutions over time, if so, there will be a segregation, akin to, but a parallel to the separation of blacks and whites in the old days.

This puts JWs in an interesting spot because as pointed out before, Authoritarianism is tough enough to break people who are both unaware and not aware of it, even JWs. This will also open Pandora's Box, so to speak concerning child abuse, for should Authoritarianism correlate with people wanting to return to open institution at full force (open everything under new ruling), even complying to it, outside of segregation, child abuse will skyrocket.

Child abuse will easily become uncontrollable to a degree, as is the current situation engineered this. So the approached mentioned for years people would need to apply it.

Something we Truthers talked about for years. Welcome to the Dystopia. Germany, Israel, United Kingdom, some most of the EU will succumb to come form of Authoritarianism. The Aussies also claimed New World Order, and attempt to make their own fact check of the term when all of us know what it entails.

When it hits the United States, all hell will break loose. Things we see today such as violence, stealing, sex abuse, rape, bribery, greed, etc will be amplified due to the various groups on the left and the right that roam.

The media such as Guardian, NYT, CNN, ABC, etc will play a role in influence, and before we know it, the United Nations may once again attempt to dent specific freedoms as they had attempted to do so twice already.

Truthers are always ready for these things, however, I can't speak for the rest of the people who are not.

Currency and Religion will eventually be on the menu for Authoritarianism, granted religious exemptions are under attack, which has and can break people of faith if not careful.