Space Merchant

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I've never seen the words 'Governing Body' in the scriptures either. 

By word, no, by root and or expression, yes. If there was no root then it would have been a violation.

The Apostles and a few older men are one of the governing bodies in the church hierarchy, can also be referred to as a Council. It is most likely based on Acts 15 and all references concerning such, primarily verses 2, 4 and 6 within the passage itself whereas a group of older men who lead the Christian Church Congregation as is with settling matters, as well as give council, hence by some they are referred to as a Council or a council of men.

It is rooted with the terms that does not violate the Greek text, mainly towards those who hold religious office within a Church Structure. They can also refer to those who are servants, otherwise known as servants. Stewards are those who are taking the lead, examples being the apostles and other Christian teachers, elders (Presbyteros) and bishops/overseers (Episkopos), as is with servants/ministers/deacons (Diakonous) of whom either holds office and or make up the body. There is also the terms a freeman or a trusted slave/servant. An example of this would be Abraham to Eliezer of Damascus, for Eliezer is the steward of Abraham, and or his servant/slave.

• (Titus 1:7 and 1 Corinthians 4:1, 2, as well as connected verses)
• Abraham and Eliezer - see (Genesis 13:2, 14:14,15:2, 23:17-20, Acts 7:4, 5)

In Peter's case (1 Peter 4:10), he points out that Christians, Overseers and others are all stewards of God's undeserved kindness, which is expressed in a variety of ways - being in God's arrangement in which faithful servitude and or stewardship is carried out.

Peter points out to all Christians, overseers and others, that they are stewards of God’s undeserved kindness expressed in various ways, and he shows that each has a sphere, or a place, in God’s arrangement in which he can carry out a faithful stewardship.

So in short, the word itself does have a connection to the Greek expressions noted above, and such terms in various translations do not violate said terms.

The remark "True Anointed" however, it never utter even by expression for both those words are never joined together. Aleipho is often found by itself, be it if translated as Chosen, Anointed, etc. There is never a word tagged along with it that who violates the Greek grammar itself.

19 hours ago, Pudgy said:

That principle is enshrined in the U.S, Constitution, as well.

Alas, another person who knows about the Constitution on this forums:

Other then that, the principle itself is pretty much adopted by most in Law concerning judicial actions and or groups in the committee who take action based on decisions, i.e. Chair, Ranking members, vice chair, etc.

The only difference compared to Abrahamic Religious and or early Christianity is that it is only men who hold such office in the church, this is all in accordance with God's Structure of things.

One thing for certain, going back on an old example I used, imperfect men differ from one another, so decisions can vary in some instances, so mistakes can be made, in some cases, mainly if the person within these committees are unequipped to handle certain situations.

@Arauna Yes, Genesis 3:15, the original prophecy, the Edenic Promise, first Promise of God. The Fallen One's act in Eden did not know about God's contingency, a hope for mankind by means of this promise, for this Fallen One is to be crushed by the offspring of the woman (Revelations 12:1), as a minor note, some people seem to forget Galatians 4:4, which is in connection to that, let alone Isaiah 7:14. For some they confuse the woman with being literally Sarah or Mary, which is false, when in reality, it is Heavenly Jerusalem in this sense; and to Apostle Paul's credit for using Sarah as figuratively in his allegorical statement.

The Christian Congregation itself, as a group (The Church), is also spoken of as woman, the one of whom you speak since the Promised Seed was mentioned. Moreover, just by John 3:16 alone, it is very evident to whom God sent to crush the Fallen One, The Devil and how it will be done (Revelations 20:1-3, 10, 15). For during Jesus' preaching of the gospel, Jesus himself identified the serpent/snake from Genesis 3:15 as Satan and his seed to be that of his ill influenced followers (Matthew 23:33; John 8:44). When all this comes to fruition, in turn, this will give mankind itself hope, and what is to come, for our early parents have lost such - of which everyone here seems to be in agreement upon, living forever by means of eternal life.

Some other points would be, which I do not think anyone brushed up on was although Jesus was with his Father, the fact that God himself caused his only begotten Son to be born through Mary, a descendant of David, hence Galatians 4:4/Isaiah 7:14. Mary was an imperfect young woman, however, Jesus, did not inherit imperfection from Mary, for he was God’s Son. For at this point, Jesus was noted as The Son of Man, an expression used in Scripture for several, including, Jesus Christ due to being born in the flesh, becoming human. The term also indicates that Jesus would fulfill the prophecy found in Daniel 7:13, 14. From there, which was mentioned, God giving the spirit to Jesus during his baptism - which in turn, the verses in question, points directly to Galatians 3:16 regarding the Promised Seed, as is with what the sacred secret is in connection to, hence 2 Timothy 1:10.

Now what I find a bit of a half truth said by some here is that in regards to the Kingdom itself in regards to Luke 17:21 (one of those verses people get duped by via textual violations), which was already mentioned in the other thread, but here concerning hearts, this condition stems not from within (for they are touched by God's Kingdom for the heart) Christians themselves, but God’s Kingdom as shown in Scripture is shown to have a true location -

• Matthew 4:17 - From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

So the latter was incorrect in the remark towards you, hence textual violation of is in view.

As we can see, in the Bible, it identifies it has having a location, even going as far as to refer to it as by calling it the kingdom of heaven. And it is known that God's Kingdom in of itself is an established form of government that operates it's ruling authority from heaven and that with any kingdom, it has its people who serve God (Psalms 2:4-6;Daniel 7:13, 14; Isaiah 9:7). More so, Jesus himself is the one to begin the preaching of the gospel concerning the Kingdom itself, not to mention the fact that the kingdom itself will indeed have enemies that wants to destroy it as we read in Psalms 2:1-9; and 110:1, as well as in 2; 1 Corinthians 15:25, 26, plus references. In addition to that, concerning the kingdom, Jesus declared that in Luke 22:28-30, Jesus the Apostles that they will soon join him in the Kingdom of heaven and to be seated on thrones, so those that speaks of it being just only a in our hearts fail to see the bigger notation of what God's Kingdom truly is, to mankind even, such ones also misuse said verses in Luke and Revelations as well, thus going upon their own exegesis.

As you can see how those who mentioned such via textual error of the verse in question results in the latter response.

Now, another factor I am seeing is everyone already agrees on the fact Jesus pre-existed, hence him being around when God himself created everything, mainly through him (which KJV has butchered by adding words unrelated to the Strong's). At this point, we can see that Jesus had not been born in the flesh yet. He was still with his Father, our God.
 

1 hour ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8

Meaning alone or the way the verse is worded in their NWT? Because the wording itself there is no violation in regards to the Greek text.

On 7/25/2021 at 10:15 AM, Arauna said:

No - you show hate-OCD without anyone motivating you to do so!  The poison comes from your own heart! Do not use your warped psychology on me!

If one does not change, they remain the same, and eventually they start to complain.

On 7/26/2021 at 2:30 PM, Pudgy said:

Many of the Society's "un-approved" videos are available on  Rutube.ru.

If it exist, it will eventually be found elsewhere. This is why some owners and creators try, and at times, cannot get through all forms of media to deal with their creations.

That being said, that website has a history. Just be careful to not click on a specific link, mainly if the users name is Korean or Chinese who are bots. There was a spill over from that website to YouTube a while back resulting in channels being strikes, terminated and or flagged as is with being prime targets of strike warriors, a nd to some degree, as of recent, Hedge Funds. Which explains

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

Saw a headline today - UN working with BIG Tech to make list of all those who they deem to be enemies of the NWO, their goals and moral values.

They're working on more than that. Some of which is not being spoken of in most media outlets. Big Tech is more so a pawn, in this sense, as for the second faction in the UN itself with the opposing powers, they are a threat.

Among the many groups the UN has affiliated with it, 2 superpowers, The United States and the United Kingdom has the spotlight on them.

That being said, the blind ones who succumb to fear will fall in line, and expect the government to "help" them, be it in the US, the UK, and or any of their allies like France and Canada.

I remember I've mentioned an extreme level of persecution, in a few years that tension will increase, mainly with what transpired from 2016 to now and what is going to take place soon. It would not be a surprise if people break under said persecution, even in the social media space.

5 hours ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior.

“By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10

That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months:

“But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2

The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7

Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia. 

One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled…

“They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.

If you noticed I stated "noted" and "equates to" meaning in the theology itself, the source shows a connection between Jesus as King, The situation with Daniel's vision and the years noted, and of course, 1914.

That being said, my remark towards Anna relates to what was brought up on CSE a while back:

• https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/60713/do-jehovah-witnesses-believe-that-jesus-christ-returned-to-earth-in-1914-or-has

• https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/34623/what-does-this-reference-in-the-watchtower-online-library-mean/66398#66398

• https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/61369/was-the-1914-prophecy-derived-from-the-book-of-daniel-ever-mentioned-in-any-ne

If I am not mistake there were others who drew a similar conclusion regarding the year itself.

20 hours ago, Arauna said:

This time goes past quickly.  A lot of suffering is waiting for the world.  More people will die die from the virus and its associated therapies than ever imagined.. and by 2030 the UN wants its plan ( Agenda 2030) to be completed.  I hope Armageddon comes quicker because a terrible tribulation is waiting for the world under a new world government which tolerates nothing except its own concept of what the new world order under their dispensation should be.  These people are heartless and violent -like their aitheist God.  You will not be able to buy or sell food if you do not comply.

So like Habakkuk we will wish for it to be here while we suffer ..... but it will come.

The United Nations already have plans. Mainly due to the fact no one has really been paying attention to them, as is with Babylon. The events of the pandemic and the reset of some instances of the economy is inevitable and these things will by no means is worse compared to what is to come now. As we speak, there is a specific political faction that isn't going for their rivals, but, also anyone they do not agree with, more so, their actions have been effecting children, to the extent, those who partake in homosexuality, at one point burst into song stating we cannot stop what they are pushing on to our children, on top of that, the morals of society has been reduced.

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

It seems to me that everyone here is in at least one of several disparate camps of certainty about how to interpret scriptures about this subject, and that within each of these camps there are serious questions about whether certain "facts" align, support or contradict other ....  "facts" about the main conclusions in each camp.

It sprains my small canine brain to try and make sense of it all ... it's like the SNL sketch "Dueling Banjos Brandos", but in this case it's "Dueling Scriptures".

My guess is that whatever is going to happen .... if I have full and complete knowledge, or are completely and totally ignorant, it will be all the same .... there is NOTHING I, or we,  can do about ANY of it.

I do not have to have a Doctorate in Mechanical and Automotive Engineering to try and not be run over by a car.

....distractions will get you killed.

On this forum alone there is 4:

• Trinitarians
• Non-Trinitarians
• Atheists
• and the Misguided (or the uninformed; and one instance of a broken minded soul)

In each of these groups the experience, knowledge, and the like differ - some minor, and to some, great. Should have seen how it was earlier on.

That being said, we are very lucky to not have certain people and or groups, like the Jehovah's Warriors troop, for should they roll by as they do in other various forms of media concerning religious discussions and the come like a back of wolves. These dudes are a combination of Baptist, Protestants, and Black Israelites merged into one, and currently the only group that has been more annoying than the common Trinitarian after they showed up mid-pandemic of whom I and a few others are dealing with, for the debate revolves around, in their eyes Black Magic being a blessing, celebs talking about Hell and the Afterlife, so essentially, anything Bible based or religious base is spoken of by famous people or politicians, they show up.

Well that is one comparable factor. There is always something everyday on some form of media, even forums, so essentially, as you said, like a SNL episode.

Unfortunately, although knowing this from inspired text of how the days will mirror like that of Noah, there are some who think otherwise, or think outside of what is inspired, i.e. Jehovah's/Yahweh's Warriors, who I have been dealing with mid-way through the pandemic.

That being said, only a small number of the fruits remain, and the real attack from Babylon will soon take place. Some of us are watching how she moves by means of the nations, even more due to the COVID-19 pandemic for the wild beast of which she sits on, has been taking in more and more who admire the beast, and just like Washington, Babylon will claim people, and later on, those still against her, she will attack.

@TrueTomHarley Unfortunately he didn't get the gif was connected to the quotation about taking in context.

@Anna Then there is the time period itself that is in connection with Jesus' Kingship and the Kingdom to come itself, outside of the notion of the chosen Firstfruits/Anointed Ones. For in the theology of the JW faith it is noted that in Daniel chapter 4, it was prophesied that a period of 2,520 years, from 607 BC, The Siege/Fall of Jerusalem up to until 1914, which in turn, equates to the Gentile Times. On the other side of the spectrum, you have the 587 camp vs the 607 camp in this regard.

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

This seems to prove exactly what I was saying, that Jesus WAS King whilst HE was on Earth.  

The verse you cited was regarding that put prior you were talking about the ideology of JWs and or Anti-Trinitarians concerning 1914.

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

As for reading the scripture in context, of course I did. And I fully understand whom He was talking to and why.  Maybe next time I should quote a whole chapter should I ? 

Your latter statement was in regards to coming of the Kingdom and the chosen, hence the response.

No, you don't have to quote the whole passage.

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I took the meme at the bottom of your comment as a personal insult so I will not bother to converse with you again. I thought you were above such things.  You choosing to insult me with the actions of a 'man of colour' because you are such, is leaning toward racism in my opinion. 

The gif was not a means of an insult, it was in regards to my quotation concerning contextual understanding when it comes to facts. If I have to check someone, it would be in a refutation, not a discussion on neutral footing.

If a small sense of humor regarding quotation has you in this mood, then I see that has concerning, I recommend you look the fruits of the spirit.

A meme does not denote to racism... The irony is, contextual understanding can be used here for, the fact you didn't get the quote and it's connection to a gif.

The definition of racism is very obvious, and I rather not check you on that with educational intent. So I pity you and leave it at that. However it does call into question how you concluded to that conclusion based on a gif; which I find interesting, but I leave it at that.

That being said, regarding the coming of the Kingdom, what is said points the context points to, hence you did speak of this prior.

19 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Everybody's 'facts' are different. Hence you are not a JW.

Yet these facts are based off of scripture, legitimate Hermeneutics, which isn't isolated to JWs, just Anti-Trinitarianism in general who are aware of the Firstfruits and Jesus' status. If the latter followed Trinitarianism, then things would be wildly different.

19 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

If, as it seems, no one is inspired of God's Holy Spirit right now, then it would seem that no one knows true facts..

The real question is how do you know who has asked for the spirit, an who has not? Would it not be wise to adhere to 1 John 4:1? Mainly if the Hermeneutics on the latter is accurate?

19 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And even amongst the JWs on here they disagree on facts. 

What do they disagree with if they themselves are Anti-Trinitarians? If I am not mistaken, they understand what and who are the Firstfruits as is the core teachings of the Kingdom, hence their other focus on 144,000 individuals who make up that group.

19 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But if you want scriptural fact, then it seems Jesus said, recorded at Luke 17 : 21

Berean Literal Bible
nor will they say, 'Behold here,' or 'There.' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst." 

You just quoted the verse, not taking in the context.

The most simplest answer is - Jesus telling the Jewish leaders they stand before God's chosen, the very one who will eventually be installed as King in God's Kingdom after the conclusion of End Times, and all things connected to it.

First, Jesus, who might be in North Samaria or Galilee at the time, was talking to the Pharisees, which is evident due to pervious verse, Luke 17:20, which can be compared to Matthew 23:13 and they, the Pharisees, were talking to him because they asked him about the arrival of the Kingdom.

We already know Jesus is the one chosen for Kingship by God, and eventually be seated in the Kingdom after all is set and done.

It can be said that - The Kingdom of God is in their midst because the chosen King of God’s Kingdom, Jesus, is right there in front of them, hence the following verse:

Matthew 21:5 - Say to the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, on a colt,1 the foal of a beast of burden.’ ”

Not only was he, Christ Jesus, was present before them, he also had power and authority to perform works by means of utilizing what God has given him, as is with the preparation of those chosen for the coming Kingdom (Luke 22:29-30).

Also safe to say, according to the context, the Kingdom will not come in an obvious manner as the latter believed in such. More to note, the one who is to sit at the Throne of David was made superior much later on.

19 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

So, how can you say that the Kingdom did not exist whilst Jesus walked this Earth, when Jesus said it did. 

If you understood the verse, Jesus, whom is God's chosen for the Kingdom, was standing in front of, and speaking to Pharisees who asked him a question about the Kingdom.

That being said, better to take in all context of the passage itself and understand what it is conveying, in turn, you learn what the verse that is within the passage means. As I mentioned before to some - Never sacrifice a passage for a single verse.

If there is no contextual understanding, there is no understanding of the verse, which evidently, the one who is reading becomes null from the facts itself.

On 7/23/2020 at 8:21 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

Here is an article that warns that the mainstream media better be frank as to the side effects of any vaccine produced by a crash program, because they are significant, as the article below states. The resulting vaccine will still be worth taking, the writer states, but if media doesn’t quit their unabashed cheerleading for it, they provide huge opportunity for ‘anti-vaxxers’ to later say, “Look at what they didn’t tell you.”

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-with-minor-side-effects-could-still-be-pretty-bad/

The media is causing much more damage in combination with trust in Dr. Anthony Stephen Fauci being reduced over time, likewise with the so called Warriors of God on social media who is also spreading fear.

The vaccine situation is causing a segregation between people in the US and EU, specifically, France, with all the protesting going on. Practically what they do not want is a 1940s Nazi-sque type situation (hence the papers please memes) with the demand of showing papers, and or passport of proof of vaccination. For France mandated COVID-19 health passes for dining and travel, for just a few days ago, this was in pushed for tourist destinations.

It was said not too long ago by the Alabama Governor Kay Ivey says it's "time to start blaming the unvaccinated" for COVID spike - ironic because since there is no "Orange Man Bad" the code in the NPCs now shift to those who didn't get and or have not been vaccinated. Anyone unvaccinated is also, to some degree, being branded as an "Anti-Vaxxer". Which is wrong, due to the fact some people knows/believes that the pandemic is taking place whereas an Anti-Vaxxer does not believe the pandemic in effect.

Another issue is most media outlines such as Guardian, Axios, etc had placed misinformation a few months ago, as is articles of confusion. Else, people are being shamed for not taking the vaccine, and not getting the jab can cause you to lose your job nowadays, i.e. big investors banks such as MS.

Lastly, as I had told people, getting the vaccine does not make you invincible like Superman, the vaccine only offers a bit of protection, so in this sense, COVID-19, aka Kryptonite, can still [re]infect you. So anyone who is vaccinated or not, it is smart to take precaution to clean thyself, and tread carefully.

That being said, the number of deaths is not really accounted for, for there is possibly more of the dead that the general public does not know about, as is, with crazy side-effects happening to some people, even children.

Media has always been a danger, even more so to the Truthers because we called this out before the virus got this bad. And during this crisis, you already know who is "attempting" to come through - the government.

2 hours ago, Anna said:

For me, the worst thing is when I type a long and really clever response on my phone and I touch the back erase button a bit too long and it erases everything. I noticed the undo button is gone on the website....so I have to write the whole darn thing again, but often I just don't bother.....

This is one reason why I hate doing this on the phone.

Easier to use word/notepad/wordpad and then copy everything over. This is what  do, reason being because back then in the CSE community, at random the forum can refresh without warning and you lose everything.

That way you do not have to start from scratch again.

This is no surprise because of irreligion influence and how such influence can push people to do things, mainly if someone takes huge issue with a faith and or group.

That being said

On 1/16/2018 at 5:00 PM, Space Merchant said:

attacks from the irreligion groups that affect those of a faith,

It will be an even bigger issue if the government deals with religion should people continue to give the push, granted far from it because they are already seeking peace by means of faith by using their ally's head, Francis.

On 7/23/2021 at 5:34 PM, BroRando said:

Yes but other platforms were basically non existent.  The video on YouTube was popular in viewership and when they removed it suddenly. They gave me No opportunity to state my case or defend myself. They sent me some notice that I violated their terms.  But never mentioned which term was violated.

I see, then it seems as though the YouTube Police and their Strike Squad is in full force. People have been talking about videos and channels getting wiped, mainly if the latter does not agree with you, so the theory that the Left is taking over seems to be true, as is with how the dark side of YouTube is operating, at times, unnoticed.

The best thing you can do is work around their system along their guidelines to the T.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But JWs say that the Kingdom was set up in 1914. 

Whereas Jesus was anointed as King at his baptism and in some ways made it known to the Pharisees whilst He was still alive saying 'The kingdom of God is amongst you'. 

You're confusing his status with King to his status as a Firstfruit.

Hence my response of which you quoted - The notion of the Firstfruits (Chosen Ones, Anointed Ones) is 100% core to legitimate Anti-Trinitarians, this includes the Jehovah's Witnesses too.

Jesus became King much later on if Revelations is to be understood (as is with the following passages - Matthew 24:14; Luke 21:10, 11, 31), however, his status as a Firstfruit began when he was resurrected by God from out of the pangs of death [But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep], which can be read here - Christ, the Firstfruits of the Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-23)

In their theology, regarding 1914, they said Jesus was enthroned as King in heaven. This is based off of the time period after Jerusalem’s destruction (Siege of Jerusalem), which is about 2,520 years past post, also if you factor in King David and Daniel's vision, and so forth. When Jesus was given Kingship, the very first act he has done was expel wick from out of heaven, Revelation 12:7-10, and this evil being Satan and his demons. This event to many is known as The War of Heaven, The Book of Revelation describes said war between angels led vs. demons, with Jesus leading the angels, and  The Dragon leading his demons, and the aftermath resulted in the enemy combatants' defeated, cast out of heaven to earth.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Jesus told his disciple (John 10 : 16)   Berean Study Bible
"I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd."

And this is known for those other sheep have yet to here the gospel, hence the verses I've mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke.

In order to be one flock, the reaching how must be done by means of spreading the gospel of the good news, and of the Messianic Kingdom to come.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And the 120 chosen ones, at  Pentecost 33 A.D, became part of that Kingdom at that time.

Yes, and there are some of them who are still alive today, but a few - they make up the Kingdom.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

My point being that Spiritual Israel / the Kingdom, started with the baptism of Jesus and then the anointing of the 120 at Pentecost in 33 A.D. 

That is a bit misleading. The notation of the Firstfruits began when Jesus became the first one upon death. Jesus Christ, being the the mediator of the New Covenant of which Spiritual Israel is under, was due to his death and eventually rise by means of God; all this is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20; Hebrews 9:15). Spiritual Israel essentially, began on Pentecost 33 A.D.

If, by what you are saying Spiritual Israel started at his baptism it with would prove to be very contradicting to other connections by Scripture.

Spiritual Israel ended up heeding command of the Christ to preach not just the gospel, but the coming of the Kingdom itself, of which they will evidently be a part of, especially, the ones who still roam the earth today.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

So why do the Watchtower / JW org say the Kingdom started in 1914 ? 

There talking about Jesus' Kingship, not Spiritual Israel or the Firstfruits. As is, not really mentioned by them, but to others, The War in Heaven.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I'm trying to get people's personal feelings on this, but people (JWs) seem frightened to give an answer. 

Would it not be wise to go for facts instead of feelings? Facts usually outweigh a personal exegesis on some things.

That being said, I would not call them afraid, it is just that this subject has been mentioned many, many times on here. Simply looking into "1914" by itself can net you numerous results of topics and posts, and on top of that, those topics already have the answer, perhaps the one you sought for.

That being said, you have to really look into carefully of what started at baptism, and what started at Pentecost 33 A.D. Both unique events, with different outcomes deemed historic and prophetic.

I recommend carefully examining the references, or more importantly, the years from the Siege to Kingship of the Christ.

@BroRando Have you ever considered Daily Motion or other alternatives to YouTube?

On 7/22/2021 at 7:13 AM, Pudgy said:

Why did YouTube take them down?

YouTube has started to become more strict. They take down specific videos of various types from different forms of media, politics, religion, an opinion piece, etc. strangely enough, if you are of a specific status and attractive or primarily "Rep the Blue" per say, you don't get hit with anything as if you are invisible, i.e. Hasan Piker is totally in the clear, but Crowder is not.

Then you have the Orwellian-sque group that consist of a discord troop and disgruntled teenagers otherwise known as The YouTube Police or the Strike Squad. Say something they don't like or that they do not agree with, you will start to have a channel hemorrhaged of views and likes, and eventually flagged.

On 7/22/2021 at 2:19 AM, Pudgy said:

Of COURSE it's not literal Jews!

The above scripture was mistranslated, slightly.

A simple translation error, even a punctuation can shift a faith and or create another brief outside of core Christianity. Which leads to my issue with Trinirarians, and as of now these people who came out of the pandemic referring to themselves as God's Warriors otherwise known as Jehovah's/Yahweh's Warriors who are KJV-Onlyist who are broadline Black Israelites.

That being said, it is an endless game of chess until The End Time Tribulations truly kicks off.

On 7/21/2021 at 1:32 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

BUT, how are they seeking this knowledge ? 

Quite simple - Reading and Research.

The core knowledge of Christianity can be summed up by what Jesus said in his final prayer and his command.

• Learn about The True God.
• Learn about him [Jesus Christ]
• Learn about the Kingdom

Did you assume core knowledge that was cited to be something else?

On 7/21/2021 at 1:32 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The scriptures mention "Ten men clinging to the robe of a JEW"  But who are the 'JEW' in question ?

God's people, with the latter being the chosen.

On 7/21/2021 at 1:32 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Of course i know it's not literal Jews, it's referring to 'spiritual' Jews. But unfortunately the GB / Watchtower / JW Org believe it is only them that will be saved.

It is figurative. From what I had said in the past, this was talked about. In their faith, the theology behind what is being talked about concerning the verse in question, is, to them, those of a hope on earth, and those who are chosen (anointed). With minimum research, anyone can look at their view in this regard.

That is unlikely, and the truth of it all may not be a conclusion-sque answer you would like. They don't believe they are the only ones that be saved, mainly if you did the research - and to that I leave it there. Anna, JWI, Holly, Raymond, NYK, even Tom, including myself back in 2018 and 2019 regard a remark from both Shiwii, Deserter, and Srecko.

On 7/21/2021 at 1:32 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

It seems that you do not agree with them on that point. 

To what exactly? You just mentioned the notion of being saved to which I haven't said anything pertaining to that until now, but briefly.

On 7/21/2021 at 3:04 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

so I can tell you you’re wrong about it.

The notion of the Firstfruits (Chosen Ones, Anointed Ones) is 100% core to legitimate Anti-Trinitarians, this includes the Jehovah's Witnesses too. Not to mention that Firstfruits are the type of Christians who have no singular status, i.e. race, background, sex, etc. Liken to the early apostolic church formed that day, granted, Spiritual Israel and it's role in The Messianic Kingdom extended past Jews, thus the conversion of Samaritans, Gentiles, etc.

On 7/22/2021 at 1:56 AM, Pudgy said:

... um ....  MY personal opinion is that Jesus' 100% human brother Brian got a bum rap after stepping out of his fishing boat, and trying to walk towards shore on the water.

The day before he had been to a crucifixion rehearsal, and both his feet had holes.

Guess Simon of Cyrene didn't get the memo. They picked him out of the crowd, putting the spotlight on him and he had no practice.

On 7/21/2021 at 1:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You seem to miss the whole point of the questions. I know Jesus 'received' Holy Spirit at his baptism. My point was, was Jesus Anointed then.

Simply added on to it with detail for some do not know this information, hence your title - Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?

On 7/21/2021 at 1:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And the same with the 120 in the Upper room. Yes they received Holy Spirit, but were they Anointed then ?

You answered your own question, they make up the Firstfruits (hence Festival of Pentecost), Chosen, or in your words, Anointed. So much so, Pentecost 33 A.D. is noted as a huge event for true worshippers of the Christian church congregation, granted, the event in of itself signifies the birth of the Christian faith just days after the New Covenant (New Law as some refer to such) was enabled by means of Christ Jesus.

As a side note, as mentioned already, Jesus was the first of the Firstfruits prior to the 120, and the thousands that came after.

On 7/21/2021 at 1:20 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The point being if they were Anointed then they became part of the Kingdom at that time. 

Yes. They make up Spiritual Israel, and their role is recorded in the Greek text of what they will do while part of the Kingdom, as is the notion of spirit persons, etc. for their position is already solidified.

I believe JWI most likely made note to something similar in the past.

It isn't too surprising, granted the Truther Movement called this for years, as is with the possibility of a civil war. China and Russia are major superpowers that have always been together. Give them a detachment from the United Nations, as is their other allies, i.e. Iran, then all hell will break loose.