Space Merchant

On 11/30/2020 at 6:44 AM, 4Jah2me said:

Remember when Jesus was asked a question about His authority, Jesus answered with another question. 

Well then, can you provide a quote where I have said, that the Leaders of the CCJW said the world is going to be destroyed in 1975. 

But there seems to be lots of proof available that the Leaders of that organisation made false predictions in 1941 and in the 1960's. When that organisation said in the 60's that it would be fulfilled 'within a FEW YEARS' of the time those magazines were written.  Tell me, from your viewpoint, how many is a FEW ?  Surely less than 10.

So quote them, give us an exact one because if you are stating that they said the world is going to be destroyed on 1975, mind you, they were still preaching during that time, let's hear it.

Stop deviating, you responded to the remark about 1975, we can get into the other notation as soon as you give us the quote.

You responded, so go ahead, 4Jah2me, let's hear it.

That being said, if an ExJW has said nearly the same thing as I did only to have his own community shut him down, that tells you something.

On 11/30/2020 at 7:12 AM, 4Jah2me said:

  Quote @Space Merchant This isn't anything new..

No that's why the topic is an UPDATE.  You seem very defensive of them thought not actually being one. 

Quote "I recall claims the lot of you pointed out, which to this day is still unfounded, "

Remind us then of these claims.  

One thing that occurred to me as funny was your first sentence that reminded me of a scripture.  Quote SM.

This isn't anything new... Since the whole Redress thing, JWs are still operating. 

2 Peter 3 v4

and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

Just because YOU cannot see any changes, doesn't mean things continue as they were. 

Not defensive at all, according to what was brought forth the last time we spoke, it is 100% correct.

The claims (News Corp) is regarding the money situation or these rumors that were going around prior to the Redress coming to a conclusion, to which were proven unfounded, granted there was no evidence; and when you were asked, along with the others, nothing was ever said. Yet a few months ago you and the others profess it as a truth when present day, this so called "truth" is unfounded still. The irony of it all, you guys attempted to educate someone on the difference between Alt-Left and Alt-Right with a silly representation of a video - what a joke.

As of recent, the JWs are indeed still operating in Australia AFTER the Redress. Last I checked, anything related to the Redress or the latter a group and or institution DOES NOT CEASE FROM EXISTENCE despite the outcome. You have to be living in a dream world to assume after these events that suddenly a group or institution simply vanished from the country, that is silly. In regards to the Redress, as pointed out just because they do not acknowledge and or submit to such, does not mean they are gone. This also goes for the police in Australia and other authorities, who, although they get the blame in this too, are still operating as normal, but this time, with a history.

I have seen the changes, in regards to what YOU wrote, there is no update, that is what I am referring to. Since June, we already know what the Redress Scheme was going to do to a number of groups and what transpired after that, and looking at recent news, it reflects that. Nothing big has happened every since then, hence my response. If you really wish to correct me, tell me something that WAS NOT SAID in regards to the Redress that is new now. Apparently - nothing.

That being said, in regards to the Redress prior to, during and after, we know what changes were made, and since then, there was not much of an update after June (last recent being July) because the Redress made it clear what it's intentions were for those that did not sign with them oppose to others who rather stick to the Court System.

The last known update was, like I said, back in June, the only recent, was news in July about the Redress Scheme.

Next time if you are going to quote the Bible out of context, use it in the right situation, apparently, using that verse here regarding an event that has last been updated months ago isn't going to help you, and a specific verse, I have used time and time again, has already countered you in this regard, hence the lack of discernment and understanding on your part.

On 11/30/2020 at 2:01 PM, Matthew9969 said:

Pagans eat food....oh my goodness! you must be starving;P

Which proves you are not a man of God, yet again.

You cannot sit at the table of God, and hang with demons on a festive evening.

Yet again, proving yourself, the mainstream Christians, such as yourself belittle how God views such things.

You can joke with God all you want, but do not be surprised when his Day comes on how things will turn out for the charlatans and cherry pickers.

That being said, I said the same thing to that Pastor you follow; his community put him on blast.

On 11/21/2020 at 2:32 PM, César Chávez said:

I guess you refuse to read the letters you just posted correctly. How about reading it through a truth eye. 

It also seems, you don't read my response to well either. How about posting the "1991 application form" versus what the misguided UN officer sent on his remarks. That person made no distinction between the 1991 form and the "revised" form he was talking about.

Was the UN language changed? YES! The Watchtower was not aware it had and when it was time to renew, THE WATCHTOWER REFUSED BECAUSE OF THAT NEW LANGUAGE!!

Therefore, POST the 1991 application or let it go, srecko. Ex-witnesses have no claim no matter how hard you try to subvert the truth.

Watchtower NGO_ Letter_Email to The Guardian.pdf 256.38 kB · 2 downloads

 

Essentially the point, no Resolution/Charter defeats the claims. The irony of this is that this is the same game play last year, but this time corrected twice.

The amuses me to see people who have no idea of the UN and it's history, explain it, mind you, one of these people say "they don't know nothing and don't make an effort to learn anything" pertaining to the UN.

A lot of us knew the changes the UN has gone through as well, especially for the NGOs.

Matt, this was brought up last year..... Paganism is paganism -PERIOD.

Ever since then, more and more people stopped partaking in Thanksgiving, even more with the pandemic, so that tells you something.

That being said, to dine with demons and charlatans for instant gratifications gets you nowhere, if all that food slows you down, being unable to recover and continue on to the path of the Kingdom.

This isn't anything new... Since the whole Redress thing, JWs are still operating. Second, I recall claims the lot of you pointed out, which to this day is still unfounded, YET, some of the claims a subset of people are preaching as a truth, which proves it is more of a hate-a-raid thing going on instead of the focus on the ReDress itself.

Elsewhere, some Aussies are not worried too much on this, but the actions of the police, as pointed out before.

On the other side of the spectrum, you have children of violent abuse being ignored.

That being said, not much of a win for anyone, just another measure, another door, abusers can pick the lock to because it seems the most people of world doesn't know how to teach their own people how to protect their kids properly.

I'd also like to point out the CSA group I have been with for a couple months now, know this situation, and they agree with me despite them brining it up.

Then if that is the case, do you have any information of an legitimate NGO Resolution and or Charter? If there is no Charter and or Resolution (something that majority of NGOs have) then the claim is nothing but a whistle in the wind, as you, have been corrected on this already. To resurrect the dead in terms of the current discussion, isn't good for anyone's health, unless you are trying to undermine newcomers on this platform.

Everyone to this day know how the Guardian operates, which seems to be the case with recent events concerning the 2020 Presidential Election in the US

That being said, people who know this stuff are right on this matter, people who aren't, tend to Frankenstein the matter.

Now, to repeat myself from the last time; last year - Jehovah's Witnesses/The Watchtower was an NGO (registered without signature in the 1991 after being informed to gain access to library resources, having registered as a DPI NGO in 1992) with a DPI status only, let alone go into detail of the DPI NGO documents regarding any one registering as an DPI NGO. A DPI means Department of Public Information. There is also another meaning regarding other things, UNDPI which stands for United Nations Department of Public Information. It is a department of the Secretariat of the United Nations that is tasked with raising public awareness and support of the work of the United Nations through strategic communications campaigns, media and relationships with civil society groups, as it stands today, the information on this matter can be found on their own website: http://www.un.org/en/sections/departments/department-public-information/index.html

In the United Nations' system, there are NGOs who are associated with ECOSOC which stands for and or means Economic and Social Council, and there are NGOs affiliated with, as already mentioned, the DPI, again, meaning Department of Public Information (DPI). In the history of the Jehovah's Witnesses affiliation with being an NGO, to which they were verified as to registering without a signature, for in the early 1990s, no signature was ever require in those days for the form that they used, for such was a simply fill in what is being asked of you.

Furthermore, most people, even those who buy into conspiracy tend to quote and confuse what a DPI is to an ECOSOC, vice versa confuse the two when in reality, both of such are different - ECOSOC I will go over shortly in my other response. To be brief and simple - They do not know the difference in NGOs affiliated with DPI status and a ECOSOC status, which is [this status] in fact quite common with NGOs nowadays.

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Claim: that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter;

According to the 1946 General Assembly Resolution 13 concerning the purpose and activities of the DPI, which is to, according to the link to the website, to promote to the greatest possible extent and informed understanding of the works and purposes of the UN among the people of the world. For they are to use NGOs to provide the public with information about the UN.

It is not a resolution about NGOs supporting the charter of the UN nor is it a resolution about NGOs supporting the goals of the UN, or the sharing of ideals within the charter itself, more so NGOs part of the system posed by the UN.

The core purpose of DPI NGOs was primarily to provide the public with information about the UN. Which is vastly different from the opposite affiliation, ECOSOC. Resolution 1296, which was the first thing to have been written in the charter itself (also check out Article 71) to summarize, it says ECOSOC may make suitable arrangements for consultation with non-governmental organizations which are concerned with matters within its competence. Such arrangements may be made with international organizations and, where appropriate, with national organizations after consultation with the Member of the United Nations concerned.

A later resolution was later integrated by ECOSOC concerning NGOs,

ECOSOC, regarding Article 71 of the charter, recognizing that arrangements for consultation with non-governmental organizations provide an important means of furthering the purposes and principles of the United Nations. Considering that consultations between the Council and its subsidiary organs and the non-governmental organizations should be developed to the fullest practicable extent, Approves the following arrangements, which supersede those set out in its resolution 288 B (X) of 27 February 1950 — ECOSOC Resolution 1296 (XLIV) Arrangements for Consultation with Non-Governmental Organizations; 23 May 1968

This same resolution states about an ECOSOC NGO(s)  that one shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations.

Those who skip upon details to mislead and or confuse people, who boast that your faith community has agreed to support totally the United Nations were not taking in anything and everything regarding a DPI, but rather, using information regarding ECOSOC resolutions to go after some gullible Jim and Tom who would take information without dwelling upon more information for themselves, therefore, such ones tend to confuse the two, an NGO with a DPI status, and an NGO with an ECOSOC status, more so, they also fail to see how DPIs are totally separate from the UN department.

Since the NGO status of the Watchtower was only a DPI, and never was an ECOSOC (which if they were, it would have destroyed the Jehovah's Witnesses long time ago), so since resolution 1296 never applied to them since, again, never was an ECOSOC NGO.

have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

To be brief, I never seen them promote and or bring to claim anything in terms of a single world government that is Orwellian under the hands of man. Nor has it ever been seen among them showing support and or promoting things such as Agenda 21 for example, for such things are of the United Nations interest, and the majority knows what the United Nations is attempting to do.

have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.

This is often brought up, but to be brief, this can be refuted, that is, if you have said books or what have you in your possession, specifically anything in connection to whatever you have in the 1990s. Back in 1991, the Jehovah's Witnesses were informed of how they are able to gain access to library resources, and we know the result, they had to apply to be a DPI NGO in 1991, and finally verified in 1992, which allows them access to said resources, still a DPI NGO - not an ECOSOC NGO. Because of said access, they have been using the resources to their benefit, using the facilities available to them for the purpose in harmony with the DPI itself — to educate the public on the role and activities of the UN. To prove the organization is doing so, they must send copies of the organization's journal to the DPI as proof, which some on this notion tends to draw the conspiracy of UN area 52-qsue, Alex Jones level of conspiracy. After all, their purpose was to gain access to said resource. There is nothing wrong said action of acquire this resource, and it shows that they are making use of the resources, and attempt to promote values contrary to the UN charter. It is a sensible precaution on behalf of the DPI and completely appropriate. Those who dwell in conspiracy tend to focus on 1990 books and state that JWs are pro-UN and promoting to the public, not the resources they seek, but instead, the ideals of the United Nations. They also bring claim JWs are of the New World Order, again supportive of Agenda 21 - which as someone as myself who has dwelled on NWO information for a while, a long time, this can be spoken of as falsehood information to mislead people. And that being said, I well end it there should you feel the name to say something.

As for other information because I know this is brought up to - 

Only registered representatives of participating States, Partners for Co-operation, OSCE Institutions, NGOs, think tanks or others can submit documents to the ODIHR Documents Distribution System for distribution during the Human Dimension Implementation Meeting. ODIHR bears no responsibility for the content of such documents received for distribution, and circulates them without altering their content. The distribution by the ODIHR Documents Distribution System of documents received does not imply any endorsement by ODIHR and is without prejudice to OSCE decisions, as set out in documents agreed by OSCE participating States.

DPI NGO have representatives and they are able to send those who represent them to OSCE meetings. And regarding their history, it is in regards to Religious Rights, the freedom to practice faith and to profess it in the face of religious persecution and or discrimination.

To quote myself because I did speak on this before:

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Now, OSCE. Because the fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses have representatives there and or any religious denomination who attended the OSCE, does not automatically make them part of the World's Religious System, UNLESS, said religious groups are the one's pulling the strings behind everything and aiding that of superpowers, governments, United Nations decisions, and the like, those who have been upgraded from their DPI NGO status of course. In addition, the JWs, were an NGO with a DPI status - not an ECOSOC status, and the focal point in regards as to why such a thing is in this sense is in terms of Religious Human Rights - the ability to preach, proclaim, profess, pray, read, observe, essentially - the ability to practice one's faith without any form of consequence and or opposition.

In addition, it wouldn't make sense that the Jehovah's Witnesses helped in making decisions either besides defending religious/human rights regarding their own community, for instance, a French NGO had robbed them financially, Russia has been targeting them prior to the Kremlin Election and the Pope visit with Cyrill, Spiritual Power gain from Antarctica and the eventual ban. When it comes to the religious restorationism denomination of Jehovah Witnesses, for they, and others, had to deal with one category in the realm of persecution, to the Jews, they had to deal with Anti-Semitic actions from various folks, even from the likes of, to some extent, the UN’s; a convolution of discrimination and persecution as SoG puts it, on the other side of the spectrum, it is also the same case with other Christians and even those of Islam in the past in other instances.

Defending religious rights to prevent a cease of worship and or practicing of a faith doesn't equate to being part of the world and or the world’s religious system, for anyone with some sense and logic can see that i.e. if someone took all your bibles and burn them and commit to harm and injury, even torture to stop you from partaking your faith and worship – surely you’d speak up and go about things prayerfully. You really need to understand what OSCE even is (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe), there is information about it that can be found online (easily), but it seems you are one-sided, always, and surprisingly, you get your information from a guy who cannot tell the difference between a trust fund and a cereal box, thus misleading information misleads, and you, have been misled, hence why I called you ignorant, as is the same with the trust fund discussion, therefore the actual OSCE source itself should be looked at thoroughly, it should be examined, act least get a majority of information together to make a case and or to better understand something.

The OSCE conference the representatives of civil society sit with governments on an equal footing. Its extensive attendance list also included representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses at the time, in past events regarding OSCE, some individuals from Poland, Russia, Germany, and or any personnel in the European area(s) that attended i.e. an OSCE event in September 24 - October 5, 2007, which is equal to in this sense to most if not all events.

And finally this old quote:

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Now, it is no surprise regarding the state of the Watchtower in the early 2000s and their status as an NGO associate. To be very brief, they never met a criteria, nor have they ever been sponsored/affiliated to the point whereas they have been or is obligated to do the bidding of the United Nations – which will be quite a monster of a nightmare to which they will end up abandoning their beliefs; after all, there mistake has not led them to become a faith that is open to Interfaith practices and ideologies. For this is quite obvious granted a Religious Movement (all of them the fruits of the same tree) within the United Nations that has been gathering religions of the world to enact on the agenda of the United Nations, i.e. never once you have seen the Watchtower advocate for unifying of all religions for the betterment of co-existing, seeking world peace by means of man’s hand rather than God’s, for, this is obvious because they have alienated themselves from Mainstream Christendom, reasons why they are seen and or called a sect and or a cult by others because, as Trinitarians put it, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not follow Mainstream Christendom (The core being the Triune Belief and practices) or the fact that Christians need not be organized because such is not something a Christian should do (and yet this form of thinking negates the First Century Christians and their practices as read in ancient church documents and the history we see in the Bible) or there is no need to proclaim the message (and yet the ministry and spreading of the gospel is riddled in the Greek New Testament), they never took a stance with other religious leaders for religious goals to satisfy the United Nations, they never had their say collaborating with any agenda presented to them.

The only thing they have done was take any information they get in order to cite something and or the like in terms of the resources in of itself – as is with everyone else, furthermore, The Watchtower, or Jehovah’s Witnesses in general tend to do anything and everything in order to prevent a cease in religious worship, and this is where OSCE comes in in terms of Religious Rights, which includes the right to and or the freedom to practice, which they have, which I have, which you have.

Someone defending their faith and preventing it from being ceased isn’t being part of the world, nor is it in connection to the Globalist Agenda, or the United Nations conquest for peace in terms of a One World Religion (for there is credible information on the religions who 100% side with the United Nations is with the conquest in play by the UN in terms of religion, which is in connection with their agenda).

It is also hypocritical, granted if you were in that position, you’d do the exact same to prevent a cease of your faith to practice, to cease anything and everything in connection with religious worship to God, and so forth, or in short – a total cut of and or alienation from God 100%, therefore, you end up dying Spiritually without even succumbing to anything sinful act that lands you a position of Expelling, therefore an Excommunication by means of allowance of termination of worship, of faith and service, depriving you, purposely. And I am 100% sure, Witness, you would never want that to happen to you, or would anyone want that to happened to them, but granted with the conquest for peace and number of movements and actions taking place, this is the case for some people, even Christians.

Now, The Wild Beast consist of those trying to reshape a couple of things, education, government and religion (as I have told you before, as to others), in addition, we have the financial system regarding world banks as well, now regarding religion, this is why I said a number of times and before that NGOs who are sponsored and signed up, including as to what they are affiliated by, to be on board with the United Nation's planning, their agendas, are the ones to look out for, for they are the real threats, mainly if they dip their hands in what has already been mentioned. There are well over thousands upon thousands of NGOs, the number of NGOs worldwide is estimated to be 10 million and counting, and some of them do not/has not signed on with the United Nations (but in this day and age, the majority join because they want more, hence why they shoot for the requirements for the criteria), for they want access to something and or resources to use for their own benefit and not having to do any legwork for the United Nations while others have that same milestone, but affiliated with decision making and the like for the UN. Those who do sign on, are the ones taking action in various areas of the world, i.e. Africa, The Middle East, Greece, Italy, majority of the EU, The Caribbean, and most importantly, The United States of America, whereas the United Nations have several cards up their sleeves regarding the Americans, to which one of these cards caused an abundance of anger back in August 11-12 of 2017 Charlottesville, Virginia regarding their response to the First Amendment; to which we know what will happened to Christians should that be tampered with. Regarding religion, there are many big players who are sponsored NGOs with an affiliated status i.e. ECOSOC or UNESCO, UNICEF, etc. who is on the side of the United Nations and doing the work of the United Nations, a DPI can’t really do much if they do not have the other ones mentioned tied down to them. We have examples out there who known, there is the Elijah Interfaith Institute, otherwise known as the E.I.I.

They’ve been around since the late 1990s, and what makes them a threat is the direct connection they have with powerful religious leaders, one in question, Pope Francis. They are affiliated in regard to United Nations affairs by means of UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization).

NOTE: UNESCO participates and fully supports the work of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) – which is the UN principal body for coordination, policy review, policy dialogue and recommendations on economic, social and environmental issues, as well as for implementation of the internationally agreed development goals. It further serves as the United Nations’ central platform for reflection, debate, and innovative thinking on sustainable development where many of UNESCO’s mandates and priorities are being discussed.

NOTE: The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) or in French, Organisation des Nations unies pour l'education, la science et la culture, is a specialized agency of the United Nations (UN) based in Paris, France. Its declared purpose is to contribute to peace and security by promoting international collaboration through educational, scientific, and cultural reforms in order to increase universal respect for justice, the rule of law, and human rights along with fundamental freedom proclaimed in the United Nations Charter. It is the successor of the League of Nations' International Committee on Intellectual Cooperation.

And speaking about the Vatican, they have several NGOs stem from their own branches from the E.I.I. such as the Carmelite, an NGO, who is sponsored, and it is not just a DPI, but also affiliated with ECOSOC, hence allowing a voice of theirs to be intertwined with UN affairs, they also have met the criteria to actually take part in any action and or dealings of the United Nations, in turn, being in total submission to them, in addition, this NGO , is comprised of religious lay men and women from around the world who are members of the Religious Order of Carmelite and or its affiliated Congregations and Institutes within the Catholic Church itself, for it is at the service of the people they serve and the people to help them meet goals for the betterment of themselves; the supported and the supporters, and the goal for them is the exact same as all religious NGOs who are on the side of the United Nations – Issues of Peace and unifying of the faith; as I told Mr. Butler before – Interfaith.

NOTE: It can be said that the Catholic Church has well over 15-20+ NGOs with affiliation to and or sponsorship of ECOSOC, all of whom maintains in total submission to the United Nations goals and decisions and so forth, even into this very day and onward.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower, who were formerly an NGO (no one is a former NGO, the status is ink to paper, paper to ink), and DPI affiliated, however, it was never sponsored at all. Nor do they have a DPI status that has never, if not, ever been flagged for renewal or changed into or tied with ECOSOC and or other. The Jehovah’s Witnesses became associated with the United Nations Department of Public Information (DPI) as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) back in 1992.

The library card statement is indeed true in regards to them, for they wanted to have access on health, ecological, and social problems from a United Nations library, of which they had been using for many years prior to 1991, for in this year, that is when they have been told in order to gain access to these libraries and or resources, they must be an NGO to gains aid access and they have submitted an application of NGO registration which during those days took time to be verified (in 1991 an NGO to sign a DPI requires no signature), this was the case with any and every NGO prior to the changes made regarding the United Nations and NGO relationships in 1994, to which said relationship has been worked on, and a new foundation being created, that being said, this is the result of their status of being an NGO with DPI status in 1992, more so, due to this new found status, they had access to these libraries, in addition, in the year 1998 (parallel from 2014-2005 revisions in the world of NGOs) during the 53^rd United Nations General Assembly regarding a new era and partnership with NGOs, as seen by this source (Paragraph) which shows us clearly how everything and anything pertaining to the world of NGOs is on a crash course for change: http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/53/plenary/a53-170.htm

NOTE: The Jehovah’s Witnesses and or entirety of the Watchtower, unlike ECOSOC sponsored and or affiliated ones does not support and or has shown ANY support to the Agenda 21. Let that sink in. Nor have they mentioned anything pertaining to ECOSOC sponsorship and or affiliation, hence, promoting United Nations’ agenda, ideologies, and resolutions, more so, a lone DPI, regardless of whichever NGO cannot do such unless they are also tag-teamed with ECOSOC (and all in connection with ECOSOC)

We can also pinpoint that there is a visible and yet obvious reveal that the United Nations relationships with NGOs be it ECOSOC and DPI is among said changes according to that document. Furthermore, in the late 1990s regarding global policies, an ECOSOC affiliated NGO has been publishing information regarding the United Nations, that both the worlds of the ECOSOC and DPI NGOs world is rapidly shifting into new territory, for there is all that pertains to activities, the needs, and changes of office. As with other events regarding documents, both lost and found in conjunction with what was mentioned in the last sentence.

The United Nations itself even stated that association of NGOs who are of a DPI status doesn’t constitute their incorporation into the United Nations’ system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff (staffers) to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status and or other.

The only reason Jehovah’s Witnesses got cut-off the latest version of NGO criteria rules was the result of the Jehovah Witnesses’ resignation [resigning]. For if they had continued, they’d break everything they stand for should they take in the sponsors and be affiliated with UN groups that allows them to have their voice in the matter of world affairs on the behalf of or in behalf of the UN itself and their circle of allies, and the Jehovah Witnesses’ religious faith and it’s community would not be under control of their church leaders whose dwelling place is in Orange County Warwick, rather, that of which they would have submitted themselves to if they had not resigned, meaning, all the world religious leaders, even its branches and connections, the Jehovah’s Witnesses would be a part of it, even affiliated with ECOSOC and their connections, in turn, they’d break away from their Restorationist roots like their counterparts and being open to and embrace Interfaith teachings and practices, even, ironically enough, be open to the belief of Mary being the Father of God (accepting it because they are of the interfaith), they’d be open to Triune Godhood Doctrine thus becoming Trinitarian (for currently they are primarily Non/Anti-Trinitarian and should they accept since most religious ECOSOC NGOs accept this, the JWs have no choice but to embrace the Trinity), they’d be open to holiday celebrations coming back into their churches (because interfaith counterparts partake in said holidays) and they would also submit to the Interfaith practices of the One World Religion (being among the religious leaders for seeking and being on a conquest for peace and religious co-existence), they have no choice but to submit, more so, you’d see their leaders at the Summits with other religious leaders and perhaps even the Kairos and Together events, side by side with Kenneth Copeland and the other Charlatans, which takes place on a yearly basis, as well as throwing their political neutrality in Gehenna itself, in which they will encourage all active and practicing Jehovah’s Witnesses to partake because they are in total submission to the One World Religion Banner of the United Nations, and all things, they will get sponsor after sponsor, one after another, even renewals of status, making the Jehovah’s Witnesses in this “Else-World based scenario” of a reality a big threat, and an enemy against True Christians, a big one due to those on said conquest on the behalf of the UN.

Surely this would be a victory for you, Witness (a fairly good one), if that was the case, if that was the reality, but unfortunately it is not. True Christians know who their enemy is, we know how the United Nations have been operating since the day CNN founder, Ted Turner said what he said in the early 2000s, we know how to evade the governmental, financial, the educational system and the religion of the Wild Beast, but you cannot see past your fingers on your own hands or the toes on your foot, on this matter, therefore, if you are as unaware of this matter and who is who, who is truly the real enemy in the battle of Christendom, let alone being acceptive of conspiracy (which I believe this is about the 10^th or so time I called you out on this), then I say you, truly, your ignorance casts bigger shade of shadow than the stones of old that sit, to this day, in the ruins of Babylon.

Anyone can make claim the Watchtower was an NGO, ink to paper, that is and will forever will be with them for an NGO is still an NGO, although some see such as a mistake, but not realizing at all about the biggest bullet they had dodged when the changes have been set in motion within the world of NGOs according to the UN document. But one cannot claim them being affiliated with the United Nations affairs and the agenda that will soon come to pass, 2020 and onward, especially Agenda 21 of all things, for if they are not and or have no affiliation to and or sponsored to ECOSOC (for if that was the case, any JW who speaks of the UN, even debate strongly on the matter til the sweat of their brow hits the ground, should the Watchtower having been in connection with ECOSOC which is the puppet from the branches of the UN – all their words would be of hypocrisy, all their words would be indefensible to which the Jehovah’s Witnesses would end up as fools, jesters in the court), only then your claim of affiliation – would have been very true, however, since this isn’t the case, it falls flat, and using conspiracy befits the claim of you being ignorant, as you were before, as you are now, as is with any conspiracy you bring forth in continuous beckoning calls with no legitimate information on what has been brought up.

It is one thing to accidentally be misinformed of something or someone. But to go to great lengths to use the backing of one-sided information when the truth is actually out there in this matter, mainly when it comes to NGOs, this can be said – the information regarding NGOs as with DPIs cuts like a hot knife through butter.

But seriously, the constant beating of a dead horse is getting old, mainly when the non religious can even see it, it is absurd....

On 11/24/2020 at 11:57 AM, 4Jah2me said:

Um, it has been proven over and over and over again that leaders of the CCJW (or what ever name it used in the past) had deliberately made false predictions, pretending they had some 'special knowledge'. 

So can you provide a quote of them saying the world is going to be destroyed in 1975? If an ExJW risk his own channel to speak this truth, why not give a quote?

As of recent, this ExJW is currently against other ExJWs the day he posted the video of whom they forced Youtube to shut him down.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Agreed, human philosophies are deadly. All the -isms such as darwin-ism, athe-ism, human-ism etc.  This replaces the bible to give people some meaning in their lives.... but it leads to spiritual death.

It is also a faith killer. As is with others, your faith community isn't immune to this either. The influence of Philosophy and the teaching of it begins in the educational system; they are teaching the children, and when they reach college/university, that is when it is in full force if the student allows it and or unknowingly accepts it.

Most people do not listen, which proves my point many times. The virus is also at play to be used as a ploy of fear via MSM and pinning it on a political opponent. All one must do is to take extra precaution (Proverbs 22:3), and not be consumed by fear. The virus will ultimately be a tool used to suppress the people in someway shape or form, even breaking down people, regardless of who is in power, be it Biden or Trump, yet both sides continue to point at each other like children, and WHO and the CDC acting up as usual.

If you want to hear something to ponder on, there has been people saying we may be wearing masks until 2022, and going to an event or even traveling will require you to be vaccinated first, in addition to that, as is done in France, we might be going back to a Paper Check type situation, and ultimately, if things continue to spiral out of control liking a downed UH-60 Blackhawk, we may be faced with The Irish Style Lockdowns. A build up to breaking one's humanity. More people will hunger, do things they would not normally do to get food and shelter, and a list of other things, some people will be vulnerable, in some cases to even attackers.

That being said, this new normal is alleged to would be a melting pot of V for Vendetta, Gotham City, 1984 and a combination of dystopian authoritarianism future with a couple of colored sprinkles of communisms.

So basically, something out of a book, video game and or movie coming to fruition, or if we have to take things Biblically, in comparison, like how things played out in Jerusalem when the Jews did not want to leave, and we all know how that ended. 

On 7/8/2020 at 7:10 AM, 4Jah2me said:

Whilst reading / researching something completely different I was hit by this 'information' or not. 

As it's nice to find the truth about things i was wondering if anyone knows about these people.

Q,Anon /  QAnon Qanon.  (hashtag) WWG1WGA  = Where We Go 1 We Go All  

This seemed to start off as one person on 4 chan (whatever that is) and has now developed into a group of people. Now on 8 chan ? 

Their belief is that there is a : Worldwide Satanic Secret Sex Trafficking Ring  

@Space Merchant  Do you know more about this ?  Does anyone have info' ? 

 

I am just seeing this now.

Q Anon is an Extreme Far Right collective with an ideology that spawned alleged conspiracy theories. It was an idea started by a collective in 2016 into early 2017 due to the pedophilia rings intertwined with politics, it never started with one person, but as a group of people under the same name - "Q", however in 2017, it was eventually affiliated with a single person - Q Clearance Patriot, which is why some believe it began with one person. It is not a belief, but it is among their theories, they have a strong hatred against pedophilia within the Establishment itself only - This is regarding the 2016 into 2017 situation with, to keep it simple, "Children of any sex/race being part of a menu containing symbols" (as crazy as that sounds, and to this day, a lot of us, me included, are still looking into this), hence the events of 2016- early 2017.

Long story short, anything affiliated with EXTREME Left or Right is vastly different from the Far/Alt Left/Right, granted the latter can progress into a level of extremism. Q Anon is all over the place, but notably mentioned to be in the US and the EU, majority of them being in the EU.

If we are talking about beliefs, the core view is literally the opposite of the Extreme Left, this core view revolving around politics and government. Most people don't know much about Q Anon, but promote them and or advertise them anyways, at times, it results in consequence, i.e. Trump Supporters; The Far Right do NOT side with Q Anon, as for the Alt-Right, they are a mixed bag.

That being said, you should NEVER, EVER, EVER take 4chan seriously. Also do not be so gullible with the MSM be it on the screen, internet, articles, etc. (again Alt Left/Right are the common types to write articles of certain things) 4Chan is the birth places of memes (i.e. the birth place a website that is known to popularize a pop tart cat running alongside a rainbow at night aka Nyan Cat),

This:

[It gets even weirder with the fire breathing unicorn with a rider being a militarized commando cat....]

remember that, no one is 100% serious, and often times, majority of people there tend to jump on the bandwagon of something just to see how are it goes, this goes for the situation with Q Anon.

On 9/7/2020 at 3:28 PM, Michael Krewson said:

I can honestly say I don't know. 

I have seen this new name or term thrown around a few times in the past few months.

Do they have something to do with the riots in Portland, Oregon?

Regarding the protest, no. The protesting done was mostly by the Far Left, there was only a small Far Right presence. Among the Extreme, that were found in majority of the protest was both BLM and Antifa, with Antifa being a sworn enemy of the Proud Boys, who, in turn, are Far Right and whenever the two meet, they fight, even among political protesters, who get caught in the cross fire.

Granted 100% of MSM is on the Left, they will mostly defend the Left, and always attack the Right, something of which a member here did not fully understand the difference between the Left and the Right (Alts).

On 11/8/2020 at 6:48 PM, derek1956 said:

We are looking for the signs in the Holy Scriptures not Satan`s worldly politics.

Keeping our eyes on the things unseen

 

But still, it is wise to remain vigilant at all times even if one is neutral. Because there are things taking place that is unknown to the majority, and it can hit hard. Remember, Satan is known to have dirty tactics. Some of these tactics can still hit you even while you are neutral; for as of now, these are just mild situations, nothing at a critical or grave level yet, unless you are an unfortunate soul.

On 11/9/2020 at 4:14 PM, 4Jah2me said:

I read rumours (and have seen video) that Biden likes putting his hands on children. If he gets in I do wonder if Pedophilia will be made legal. The GB of CCJW would be happy with that as they wouldn't have to hand ove that database. Most other things have been made 'legal' in this world, homosexuality, fornocation etc... Pedophilia is probably next on the list. 

It isn't much of a rumor if we can see what is going on clearly, but if you are unware, if you are part of The Establishment, such behavior is not seen as a problem, especially, to most Leftist.

As far as I know, JWs are not of the Left or the Right, they would not be in favor of pedophilia despite the fact that they are not properly trained to deal with the problem, this goes for The United States in general, as well as your country, the United Kingdom. That being said, the Left consider the pedophilia disorder as something that is OK, in fact, in the US, in some instances, an underaged girl who has sex without consent and or if raped must marry the one whom they had intercourse with; something I have to look into again because hearing that is so uncanny. It would pose an even bigger problem for religion as a whole, even JWs, because if pedophilia was promoted at this level, those with pedophilia urges will be going out of the woodworkers to flood even more religious as well as educational institutions and clubs, which will spawn more sex abuse cases, resulting in a community suffering even more.

There has been a push for a couple years now for pedophilia to be a sexual orientation, as is with the opposite, when a grown man/woman can choose to identify as a "child", as is with men being able to go into a woman/girl restroom because they identify as a "woman/girl". In some cases, boys who consider themselves as girls have been causing problems even for athletic girls in sports, and so forth. Homosexuality has already been pushed into most media, in books, video games, etc. More this bubble burst, it will hit the EU harder before it hits the US, granted of how loose these things are overseas compared to here.

That being said, among man's imperfections, among them is an ill view of sex. In addition to that, The Establishment cannot be hit with any form of justice from the courts, police or any form of internal investigation, ever, unless they want to get rid of loose ends of course or pin the blame on someone else. As for pedophiles who decide to enact their ill will on to children, as pointed out before, as is, with what child abuse prevention has stated but people seem to not listen (which seems to be the case as the pandemic exposed the mentality of the common person) is they prey on those who are NOT educated in these things, hence why, it is stated, child molesters deem such children as easy targets.

The community I am not part of, who as fought such things for years now, the correct way, are strongly aware of that. Moreover, to their credit, they pointed me in the direction of YouTube, Facebook, Netflix, and other forms of media that these things can take place, ironically enough, this is the same community, believe it or not, that I was able to find 2 ExJws trying to defend a pedophilia in the streamer/evo community, as is one, who threaten a rival of mine on her Twitter, let that sink in; man's imperfections are deep. Even those who speak against it, as what I had mentioned, are of this folly, as is with those who do nothing about it, some of us are doing something though.

You cannot combat an Elite unless you are willing to take a major risk, therefore, it is wise to go about things indirectly when it comes to dealing with them.

That being said, ever wonder how silent the media is about so and so's son alleged misdeeds, yet, if it was some random abuser, they will speak about it?

On 11/17/2020 at 8:20 AM, Arauna said:

Soon they will turn against Christians.  My hope is that they put us in prison with them and we can teach them about jehovah and the true condition of the dead. 

This is indeed the case, but there is a dark form of persecution that, although rare, some people are unfortunate to be involved with, which is not a normal form of persecution, in a sense, designed to break people, an extreme version of Winston in Room 101 meets Hugo Strange type of madness. Granted if we are to enter into the Tribulation End Times, I have a feeling this version of persecution will be at play at a larger scale. I say this because of what I have learned over the months regarding Christian persecution that isn't too PG to be put on news articles.

What you mentioned is indeed something that can happened, but there can be an event that puts one on the path for the latter. At this point your faith needs to be as hard as a diamond.

There will also be a time where even friends and family will turn on you, or friends of the family for that matter, something I know verily well.

That being said, even during those times and what is to come, people who are truly God fearing, legitimate true worshippers deemed Christians, will be the ones to prosper through various levels of trials, the willingness to even preach about the gospel when Scripture will most likely be censored 100%, for Scripture bans in some schools is already a foreshadowing.

What you have read into is simply the surface... Unknown to you is that there are graver acts of persecution going on that some people are unaware of, in some cases, in bloody fashion, especially during this pandemic. This results in men, women and children, who are unfortunate in these situations, suffer badly mentally and or physically.

That said, keep a wild beast in captivity long enough to the point it goes mad, it will do far more damage to anyone or anything in it's surroundings.

Wasn't this song played for a couple of dances before?

Anyways, 

On 9/6/2018 at 1:40 PM, Space Merchant said:

According to facts the whole 1975 thing (well as to what I have made note of as of late) was of man's existence since Adam and people being told to be vigilant for anything can happen. Not once did anyone say the world is coming to an end, in the case of the Jehovah's Witnesses, it would make them seem foolish to say such, granted the preaching of the gospel has never ceased prior to, during 1975 at all, and there are several who say this, while the majority is being flagged by former members of the faith. Another factor is there are those who are aware of some JWs, who had since left the faith, took it upon themselves to commit their own actions, assuming the end of the world would come, which is foolish on their part for they heard very clearly.

Because one would have to be very honest with themselves, if the Bible tells you that the preaching of the gospel is to be done, preached to all the nations. In their Christology it is said there will be a time when they would totally cease preaching 100%, and we have not seen any of them happening now, in 1975 or in the past. Granted the gospel has to be preached first and according to them God will soon decide when to cease the gospel preaching, technically being a sign of the work being done, and you wouldn't see a JW in sight, as someone would say, JWs would just vanish without a trace.

If anything, some Jehovah's Witnesses may be bad hearers, or forgetful hearers assume otherwise, JW group B being in the wrong, while JW group A, who heard everything were in the right.

About the book, this is hat Old Man Eli had to say: The book Life Everlasting - In Freedom of the Sons of God, released at a series of district conventions held in 1966, pointed to 1975. Right at the convention, as the brothers examined the contents, the new book triggered much discussion about 1975." - Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom; pg. 104, Declaring the Good News Without Letup (1942-1975)

The book in question mentioned 1975 3 times (I could be wrong, replied on PDF source to see if they match up accordingly)

• [1] According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E.
• [2] cited (1975, 6,000 years from man's creation end. 29)
• Other quotes (not in book/or whatever) : “In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah’s Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel [the main point about not being specific about what might happen]. However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (page 17). But Jehovah’s Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah’s will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation.” (page 104) | "There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year (1975) was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated." - Watchtower, 1980 March 15, p.17, par. 5

For the claim made by opponents "The Watchtower strongly implied the end would come in 1975." is as false as their other claim that JWs own parts of companies in electronics, lingerie and weapons, of which the same people claim the churches of JWs having weapon bunkers below. Also remnants of that strong video proof still linger about on the internet, thus further making such opponents in greater error, but what to expect from those [some among them] who would attempt to use the current President (The Orange-Haired One) to take down a single faith group?

I too believe the end will come, but no one knows for certain, for the Bible says no one knows the day or the hour, not even the sons of the Most High, that being the angels, not even the only-begotten Son, Jesus knows, only God the Father knows (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32, Acts 1:7). In the same sense, it is like a teenager throwing a party while his or her parents are out of the house, but little does he/she knows that the time the parents will return home is unknown, not the best example, but it seems to fit the bill here.

That being said, although the end is indeed near, one should not be roaming about, caught with his pants down as they say when it does happen, by that time it would be too late, mainly when you, prior to the day see less and less preachers out there, be it true or false. It is one thing to be in agreement/disagreement with a faith........ Unless they are mainstream Trinitarian folk..... But one must know what is fact and what is not fact, but on occasion some of us tend to jump to conclusions, even though we, are the same ones who put forth actual fact previously - happens to me sometimes.

As far as I know, even to this day, you still see Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere, in the streets, at the houses, in the parks/schools, perhaps even in the bushes and trees as well, trying to evangelize people and speak of the gospel and a day will come when such places you would not see them at all, and eventually those who are adhering to the message, they too will be gone also, others may be in silence because they know what time it is.

The only source that I cannot find anymore is the ExJW who was ran off of YouTube by the ExJW community (who got his whole channel deleted because of that one video despite 99% of his videos being strong criticism of JWs and what can be changed) who got his video deleted, likewise, with what was done to Mr. Cedars' friend.

The irony here too is the claim is the JW said the world is to be destroyed in 1975, but no one can bring up a legitimate quote of this at all, in addition to that, every Christian knows that before the end, the preaching of the gospel is to cease 100%, yet, people were still preaching around that time.

That being said, the sound of the mic dropping is far louder than Palpatine throwing the senate.

You really need to be very careful with Atheism... The Scriptures is quite clear on being vigilant and careful around specific philosophies.

Regarding Religion, it should be known of "how" original and pure Christianity came to be, hence, the religion of Christianity whereas as this faith, of which being, a follower of the Christ with the God given name, Christian.

Unfortunately, sometime afterwards, there was some councils and different beliefs that broken Christianity into many denominations over time, those who seek truth try to piece all the information together, to find out the truth about who God is and who Jesus is. Granted the identity of who the Christ is sparked to major factions whereas as both have several denominations, with the core problem for both being of God and Christ, and who they are really, and so forth.

So from then to present day, it is as if the councils have never ended, and the battle continues, only this time, you have the Muslims involved, although they differ, they do fit into one faction, it is quite the obvious one.

On 11/14/2020 at 12:52 PM, Anna said:

As for the inquiry into CSA, it is usually the intention of the inquiring institution to help establish better policies, to protect children, not to ban or persecute Jehovah's Witnesses. As you know, this involves many other establishments, not just JWs. So I would say this would not be considered an attack. Some of the advice was considered very good advice and JWs have taken that advice on board, as long as it did not go against Bible principles. 

Essentially some of the points I have made before. This is the same thing that a child aid group (which also deals with child abuse prevention and teaching), which explains a bit of my absence, I am a part of have been preaching, they want to deal with the problem itself, not destroy a community to tackle the problem because they know going about child abuse recklessly can result in ill consequence.

I believe this was already debunked, granted, a UN Resolution in regards to an NGO was never found among them. If I remember correctly, you stated you did not know much about these things and wish to not know, but we are back at this again.

This is all in regards to the United Nations' charter and Resolutions, which was presented several times, even with the UN as a source, but it was widely ignored.

That being said, you are going about the same rambles of which you were corrected on before, with the UN being a legitimate source who noted everything in regards of charters and resolutions from the 1940s onward.

It is unhealthy to continue with repetitive banter.

@César Chávez If there is no UN charter and or a resolution, the claims of the JW faith being part of the UN is misinformation, to which ironically, the parrots, have been corrected on this before, with legitimate information. I don't see why feral soldiers on an empty battlefield continue to swing a worn sword aimlessly into the air in front of them as if their opponent is physically there.

That said, the United Nations and those who are among the charter and are of the resolution will [forever] be an enemy, an adversary, granted in the past several weeks into the pandemic, some of us has seen what the the public are unware of. As I recall, assuming you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you are deemed an enemy by such. As I pointed out before the UN has always been, and still are, on a Conquest for Security while their religious faction seeks Peace.

13 hours ago, derek1956 said:

Who cares who wns they`ll never defeat the one who`s coming

True.

But granted with the 2012 and 2017 events that lead up to now, this excludes the election for the focus is on the things on the outside and never really talked about, is when one will be put to the test, with the pandemic being the cherry on top.

That being said, it would be unwise for the common onlooker to be like that of a virgin who is looking for oil for their lamp when the groom is literally around the corner.

1 hour ago, Anna said:

Sounds like all of the above!

Seconded.

On 11/7/2020 at 1:22 PM, Arauna said:

The Muslim government is not stopping terrorists from attacking Christians in most vicious ways. Christian villagers have been murdered and daughters taken as slaves.   This is not a surprise in such a corrupt country. Many people have already lost their jobs but it seems that Satan is really starting to use governments to put the screws on us. 

Pretty much this, and the attacks are, ironically, only focused on Christian Minorites, i.e. US, UK backed forced handing a defenseless Christian village over to ISIS just because they wanted the land back in the past, being one example. Something I have pointed out many, many times. As what was said in the past, there are Christians who are not touched due to the fact they are already enticed by Babylon vs. the minorities, who don't ascribe or entertain the idea of siding with those who are against them.

As what was said, there are grave things taking place as of recent and it is only going to escalate. There are now groups out there that are shifting their attention to minorities, that includes your faith community. So tread carefully.

On 10/24/2020 at 5:30 AM, Kosonen said:

It is amazing that Martin Armstong seems to fear and believe the Democrats will win this election. That's what I get from his post: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/politics-is-often-stranger-than-fiction/

But in the end he anyway tells: "Our (AI computer) Model still shows a Trump Victory if it is a legitimate election."

 

Yes, anyhow a Trump victory in the end. It could though be disputed. But according to prophecies that apply to him, he should stay in power almost until the end. Daniel 7:Trump being the horn with eyes and s mouth speaking arrogantly. 

Daniel 8:23-25: Trump being the fierce-looking king.

Daniel 11:30-45: Trump being the king that exalts himself, the king of the north.

Chaos will erupt from either side no matter the victor, due to the fact both Trump and Biden are equally puppets, a Trojan Horse to a grander scheme. I brought this up to Rook a while back due to the multitude of groups other there, one in particular whom I have been keeping my eye on, The Boogaloo Boys, and a legitimate adversary of mine, her group being BAMN.

These people want civil unrest regardless of the outcome while the MSM continues to spin people's minds. There is a bigger scheme beneath all of this and in the next few hours, on election night, the uptick in chaos will tick like a timebomb and explode, and it is going to be a few days of hell. It will not be pretty for anyone, granted among the chaos there are opportunists that will not only be looting, but wanting to push ill intent to others physically or mentally.

The biggest test in all of this is evading the Mark of the Beast. For, in the last several weeks, the United Nations and Babylon has been making their own levels of progression during all of this.

Yes. Something I have been telling Rook for sometime. But I do warn all of you, as I have done so with where I have been. The two factions will be going at it with each other, some areas there has already been a few sparks of violence, and the echoes of the 2017 slaying of Heyer.

You know it is bad when your own enemies are trying to jump into the fray, even after their own has gotten out of jail.

The chaos will not only be effecting US soil because there are other groups in the EU who are also ready.

With this in mind, it should be already known to you to be cautious, and take every step wisely, especially during this pandemic.

On 10/30/2020 at 4:48 PM, admin said:

US logs nearly 90,000 new coronavirus cases Thursday, 1 new case per second

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/us-logs-nearly-90000-new-coronavirus-cases-thursday-1-new-case-per-second/

Peak in new cases will be followed by new peaks in hospitalizations and deaths.

And it is only going to get worse, as was said months ago. The numbers are not too accurate either because of the whole situation with JHU. The baseline of control is ever so obvious and the virus itself is among the cards on the table.

That ultimately being said, there are more tragic things, even grave things, taking place with this pandemic going around. The incoming lockdowns will be an even grater suffering for those who cannot handle it. Those with no safeguard, or refuge, etc.