Space Merchant

Granted the subject mater is similar:

The Bible gives us clear instructions, and similar to Mother's Day, nowhere does it advocate the commemoration of a special to Fathers, hence Father’s Day.

True Christians follow Jesus Christ and realize that like Jesus, we must honor God, for to God, there is no particular day to render him sacred service.

Father's Day only exist because it was formulated to complement Mother's Day. Christians are well aware to not formally celebrate Mother's Day, likewise for the same reasons for Father's Day.

56 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What "jump"? Deficit in Australasia Company is not evident? Do you know why they have deficit and why they sending millions of $ out of continent?

Granted the article also states inaccuracies in regards to New Corps in connection to the investigation. You are indeed jumping to conclusions. Plus there is a mention of IBSA, that is another factor.

56 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Thanks! I will visit website. 

Allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse by 1,006 members of the organisation, They have names also. Do you know their names? 

ARC has addressed those who spoke of their story of abuse. As is those whose names were dubbed differently. Also it is alleged, the number was addressed in the information provided by ARC. I had mentioned some by name if you look at my responses on ARC, others, were by means of PM, to which extra information and dialogue from ARC I replied to them about, as is ARC's calcifications.

That being said, I mentioned those two for a reason (and I can see in in this cheeky responses of yours, which was expected), which proves to me you do not even read the article in question, but you liked it and agreed with it without knowing what was addressed.

56 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I think how two important victims was BCG and BCB, as overture to all after, was in ARC process. I am glad that Lara and Steven done the same.

Yes, this is indeed true, however, you ignored, in the past, some bits of information that was addressed, even one solution that one of the victims was taught.

That being said, you are glad now because I had mentioned them by name, when several times you could not recall who they were granted the article you liked.

Moreover, are you even aware of their actions with the police, hence the article in question an this whole investigation? Surely you will not be adamant about that, hence the article points this out clearly, especially in Lara's case.

EDIT:

I have found a little bit more information, just keep that in mind so you'd have to be quite wise with second-handed information, especially News Corp, granted you say you have no interest, but you quoted them in a similar way.

Minor points,

• The story in question regarding JWs, others on the outside are skeptical.
• Others have pointed out the inaccuracies of the numbers regarding JWs and the Catholic Church, as pointed out.

@JJJ-AUSTRALIA Well it is obvious, granted they, and a couple of others are not listed. Moreover, it does indeed take time to apply, and there are things that can be gained/loss for applying and or not applying, regardless, the solutions provided from the latter event must be applied and clarified.

17 minutes ago, Witness said:

Of course I'm not serious about it.  Dear SM, what I'm trying to tell you is the same thing I've said before many times to you.  My focus is on my people in the organization, not on the political, religious movements in the world.  I don't care about left, right, right center bias, or center right bias.   Yes, I admit WT has its fingers in politics when it is advantageous toward their cause, but my interest is in their complete denial to follow God's words in Christ. 

Then focus on it. Granted if you were, you would not have posted this, and asserted the Far-Right to be equating to mainstream religion. I can tell you this, from my experience. The Far-Right has a disdain for the Scriptures, one of which I had confronted while preaching of the gospel, hence why, I deem this woman an adversary - Yvette Felarca. even Rook, is aware of who this woman is and her group, and how they cater to the right in terms of their message. People like her do the same thing when it comes to journalism and social media, however in Yvette's case, she is a Far-Right Activist who condones violence. And of course, even regarding religion it is the complete opposite. Therefore to deem Far-Right as religious, on your part, is erroneous - this isn't the first time because the UN resolution fiasco and the funds is still fresh in my mind.

So, my other response was to Srecko also, but you interjected with that false notion of yours. My focus to you originally, was if you and Srecko, knew the names of the victims in the article.

That being said, knowing how they and the Left operate, they can easily sway people to their viewpoint and their thinking.

Well you have to care, even if the degree is small because if they actually have you believing something that is muddled and or not true, when the acts are presented, it will put you in err. Again, the Bible tells us, as Christians to be vigilant, so that is really not an excuse. Apostle Paul was vigilant and ware of the political functions of the Romans, yet he himself was neutral.

As in my case, all I did was pointed out the position of the writer of the article prior to citing all things pertaining to News Corp and Redress.

And as to what political advantages are these in regards to their cause? Granted any Christian denomination that is not of mainstream do not dwell in support of the political system, even by affiliation.

That being said, there is small snippets of information coming regarding this article, therefore, as pointed out, News Corp, Redress and ARC, whereas ARC is the focus, hence the mentioned of the two former Witnesses you and Srecko had no idea about, granted you linked the website:

On 6/15/2020 at 10:58 PM, Witness said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/special-investigation-into-jehovahs-witnesses/video/a334969a3052132c8cab3c94ccc4925e

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

My concern here in the UK is that JWs will get seriously hurt whilst on the ministry or going to meetings, by people that are outraged by the disgusting behaviour within the CCJW.  The regular JWs seriously do not know how bad it all is. They do not investigate it. Because they are 'sheeplike' they do as they are told, and they are told not to do research outside of the 'Org'.  I had told the Elders of my ex-congregation of the dangers, but they did not listen to me. This is why I now try to make it known anywhere i can, because my ex congregation are not allowed to converse with me. The more news articles the better, earthwide,  as far as I am concerned. 

You are in the right to have every concern regarding the situation. And regarding the JWs in UK, not all of them are like this, I had mentioned the Arabic JW who currently resides in the UK, and there are several like him. Concerning what he and the others pointed out, the concern for the United Kingdom people is how to better identity the problem, how to isolate it, and should any case of child abuse do take place, what steps are needed to deal with the aftermath. Going back to ARC, it is evident that a number of JWs, not all of them, are not well equip to handle child abuse let alone teach it. Some of them are aware of this problem, but, as with 95% of people on this earth alone, they have the mentality of "If it does not happen to me, I am ok", but the reality is, you have to be aware 100%, always, no room for lagging, no room for rest, you have to be vigilant in a sinful world, no matter what area you are in, even the institution, hence the faith in question.

Current Jehovah's Witnesses, some of them, are aware, this is why these are the same ones, training themselves to see danger before it happens, and should a danger take place, they are willing and ready to deal with it the best way possible because they are equipped. Child Abuse and Neglect Services encourages such actions, this was even alluded to in ARC. So it is an obligation to teach these methods, this is why I even encourage if you want to lessen the CSA happening in any institution, reach out and teach the people of it instead of mindlessly attacking it. Disgruntled JWs are actually encouraging people, pedophiles, to go to JWs, which is a red flag right there. I am not sure if you are aware of this but YouTube and social media is riddled with pedophiles, so giving them ideas only increases the problem. Therefore, yes, and it is agreed, express the history of child abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses, but at the same time, seeing their way they are structured, implement on a way to help them fight in this battle of immoral sin, just speaking from the side lines will not do anyone any good. Not sure if you are familiar with John Cedars, a former JW, his friend states the same thing as I have, and he himself was a former BS, he was also the one who stopped the disgruntled JWs in the borough by contacting the park and the police.

You are free to do this, however, take the action of helping them know what child abuse is and how to fight it. Child Abuse is a sin that is plagued all over the world, no one is immune to it. You can take action by adhering to the solutions. If I can teach children today about child abuse, and they take what they learn to teach others, even adults, why can you pass on this information yourself, as do the others? To fight an enemy, you need troops, the enemy is pedophilia, correct? Train those out there to fight this enemy.

That being said, I've addressed this time and time again and even now, it is the same song and dance on this forum concerning CSA. To take action you must do something in the right way, remember how one victim, mentioned in ARC, how she learned about CSA. Take this example and apply it, reach one, teach one, and save one, in addition to that, you play a role into helping a community fight something they call victim to themsevles.

@Witness I said Far-Left and Far-Right...... You can't be serious with this YouTube video.... Are you? Moreover, these ideologies are traced back years, not primarily 2020.

As for the Redress, I have mentioned it, in fact, I even noted the former Jehovah's Witness that both you and Srecko could not even recall and or know. This was after addressing from the article you linked in your first post of News Corp claims.

Then why jump to conclusions? Also I have the article posted on this thread. You have the ability to read it.

Really? So you do not know the former Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned, granted how lively you were regarding them during the whole ARC situation. And I would have thought Witness knew, she did post the article.

The Former Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned in the article, which clearly you and the others have not read is:

Lara Kaput and Steven Unthank, both of whom are sex abuse survivors, both of which founded the website known as Saysorry.org.

You guys were focused on ARC heavily, how in God's name did you miss this when you both had the article in front of you for a span of several days? Mind boggling.

On 6/20/2020 at 12:00 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Money is in question :))) who care about article wrote by some "leftist or rightist or centrist" :))) 

 

Well you have to care because if there are indeed inaccuracies, you can be wrong in nearly every statement as more and more information comes out.

Centrism has nothing to do with Right-Center Bias, as for the Left, you have the whole Black Lives Matter nonsense going around.

On 6/20/2020 at 12:10 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

The issue here is the accusation from News Corp itsef ..................No, not for me. 

It is in connection with ACNC and The Redress, therefore, this is critical if you are to be deemed in correct. Right now, the information is muddled.

That said, if both you and Witness really feel this way, why even make a thread concerning this article if you lack the interest? Is it because the more information that is coming out, it may not fit your favor?

The claims, for which you yourself stated are not too far from the News Corp claims, which is deem to have inaccuracies, likewise to that Catholic Church claim, when going back to the public information from ARC, we see the truth.

That being said, News Corp did make these claims, which is no different from the information you cited so far, which is a mirror image of information.

On 6/20/2020 at 12:10 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

and the whole Redress situation ............ That is of interest for VICTIMS firstly i suppose, and for me as observer and former member who is disgusted, appealed and horrified to learn that I belonged to an organization that treats (in past and present) its members and children and other various age victims that way !!!

Yes, but somehow you did not know the two important victims in the Jehovah's Witnesses faith in Australia, then again, you said you didn't really care for this small information, granted, they have a role in this as well. For if there is an importance, on your part, should not their names be known to you? Both Lara Kaput and Steven Unthank?Or do you, and the others recall the names and history of the victims within Jehovah's Witnesses only when it is convenient? Well, I need not say much here because the proof is in this thread alone.

As a side note, I was asking you the names, likewise to Witness, as a test of discernment.

That being said, child abuse, in all sense, is disgusting and and a fowl thing that is the plague of imperfect man, but you have to be wise about the situation at hand, be knowing and knowledgeable of what events take place, and, as stated to you before, better solutions, even to which ARC displayed, the same solutions to help children which you laughed at, twice.

Regarding the faith community itself, as pointed out, a good percentage of them are not well equipped to handle child abuse, therefore, this is where the solutions come in, the same ones ARC presented, even told the Jehovah's Witnesses to better clarify, however, disgruntled members do not mention this, let alone what one victim within Jehovah's Witnesses was made aware regarding child abuse.

Therefore, you have to care about what is factual true, and what is factual false because you can easily go about your own understanding of things and jump to conclusions.

Granted you said nearly the same thing News Corp did (as well as presented), I suggest you look into it a bit more, after all, you did like the idea this article was brought up, why a change of attitude?

@Witness The Far-Right is an ideology, therefore it is not an religious movement and or a faith, nor is it part of mainstream Christianity. Granted I spoke about them not being too keen on religion as a whole, for history proves as a testament to that. To equate the Far-Right as mainstream Christianity, is an ill minded assumption.

Therefore the statement of which you responded to has no correlation: If you do not know how the Left and Right operates, granted both sides tend to get secondary information that are often not as credible, mainly if it is something that are not as favorable, it will not come to the glory of your own favor - let that sink in as the days pass.

Nothing here said has anything to do with mainstream religion......

On 6/20/2020 at 9:44 AM, Witness said:

Granted, it is out of place, but I think what pushed this button was your comment on another topic, regarding someone as part of “mainstream Christianity”. Your view on what is “truth” and who is practicing it, is foreign to what the WT believes.  You tend to rally forth for a religion that does not share your dissection of Trinitarians vs Nontrinitarians,  and lumping the WT in with “restorationists” – “The Great Christian Awakening”. 

What does this have to do with The Far-Right?

On 6/20/2020 at 9:44 AM, Witness said:

Since the first century, there have always been “awake” believers in Christ.  It doesn’t take a visible, organized religious “movement” in the form of “organization” and according to men’s plan, to reveal truth.  Zech 4:6

You have an earthly view of religion and how to practice it, and that is your choice.   Personally, I feel it contradicts worshiping “in spirit and truth”.   John 4:21-24 

My focus remains on the Watchtower and "Israel" inside.  (Matt 10:23; Rev 11:1-3)  This corrupt organization which holds the minds of people captive, fulfills Revelation's  prophesy.  (Luke 21:24; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)

 

Which can be seen by you. But what made you think mainstream religion when we are dealing with a political ideology, with their own agenda?

It does not make sense in regards to your claim, granted the article in question.

That being said, to be brief, both the Far-Left and the Far-Right care very, very little about religion, hence they stem closely to the works of the world. For example, you have Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, BANM, Proud Boys, The Boogaloo, the list goes on, not of these groups maintain any religious focus - granted both sides are not too keen on anything pertaining to Jesus or his God, let alone Christianity regardless Trinitarian or not, same case with Islam. Sure you can say they adopt some things, however, not of them are affiliated with mainstream religion, but rather, the political system itself. And of course, you and I both know what this system is affiliated with, we both mentioned it in the past, and it has nothing to do with religion.

Therefore regarding the Far-Right, to make a statement regarding mainstream Religion, does not hold any candle to the focus at hand. As I told you before, simply adding things will not do you any good.

21 hours ago, César Chávez said:

It just comes to show how far former witnesses are willing to go after they are disfellowshipped. Those people have a need to show others they have an ax to grind. But, just like John Butler (4jah2me), she started listening to the internet garbage instead of doing her own research. Personal testimony found in this book page 69

Yes, and the whole suicide thing, to over exaggerate that is insane, for that is something that lowkey angers me for a multitude of reasons. But what to expect when from those who are unaware of the situation of suicide.

I have no issue with people speaking their peace, but they have to be accurate, not shift things to cater to their own thinking to push on to others.

@Srecko Sostar You are missing the point. Need I remind you of what mainstream Christianity is? Just a few days ago, mainstream Christians were clowning you around for speaking the truth. Likewise, regarding this author however, she is not just mainstream, she claims being inspired when it is evident, even by the Bible itself, the ability to prophesying like that of an inspired prophet died out with Apostle John.

That being said, you have to really be careful with whom you listen to; you can adhere to whatever ExJW you wish, but one of this level, is a danger. This is no different from the whole Together 2016 even that took place in Washington DC, and look how that turned out.

@4Jah2me Billy The Kid and CC are not the same people, granted I had converse with Billy on several points. Moreover, past statements between the both of them are vastly different, in Billy's cast, he does a lot more citations inasmuch a way to even above CR, in some degree.

9 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

There are two facts for sure. The CCJW don't want to apologise for Child Sexual Abuse, and, the CCJW don't want to pay compensation. 

Granted the article is ARC heavy, and information from everything pertaining to ARC, that statement of yours holds no water. The issue here is the accusation from News Corp itself and the whole Redress situation, however, the article is catering to the right, therefore, they are pressing the News Corp claims, i.e. the whole overseas thing, of which is deemed having inaccuracies. Thanks to Srecko here, some people can connect the dots.

Moreover, are you aware of the former JWs mentioned in the article? Because somehow those linked it, have no idea who they are, as is their dealings with the police, which is mentioned in the article, to the point, they're blaming law enforcement and an authoritative entity, not just JWs.

If you are unaware of the claims by News Corp, check out the copy of the article I cited, it is in the quotation.

That being said, I do not understand as to why suddenly the article here is of anyone's interest, granted, Witness brought up the link, I merely had the article addressed in a small chunk here.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

Well if she is an EX-JW and is speaking from her personal experiences, then she once wasn't of 'mainstream Christianity'.

She is of mainstream Christianity now, judging of what can be found in regards to her. When someone adheres to MSC, it can become a problem, even for former JWs who became part of it, as events throughout the US and UK have shown.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

Everyone on this Earth will have critics, so why should she be any different.

Because there are some of mainstream Christianity who often add things that muddles what is true and what is not true.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

As for the hype about insight, even the CCJW / JW Org  pretended to have insight. (one example : the last part of the last day 'prophecy' in 1967 Watchtower). 

I would not say pretend, granted, since the early church it was stated that The End Times and Tribulations will evidently lead up to God's Day. Therefore, we are in the final days of the End Times, The Bible not only tells you this, as is with the Christ himself, and those after him, it also tells us, as Christians to be vigilant and always being well aware and awake concerning these things, i.e. the movements of those who have progressively been going on their conquest for peace and security, the whole 2016 situation, etc.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

( I cannot understand how anyone can ignore these false prophecies. People just don't seem to see that they were given as prophecy at the time they were spoken or written. ) 

Prophecy is what we see in Scripture, as is, what is to come. Granted they read this and did their study and research, I would not say given, but they came to an understanding of things. Like I said before, Jehovah's Witnesses, into Bible Students, into Restorationism, they are not prophets inspired, but are spirit led, granted if they truly seek the spirit, pray for it, etc. However, this author deems being inspired, which is a big red flag, for anyone who is well aware of the death of the last Apostle.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

Hence I've mentioned balance.  

Well if you have both Jehovah's Witnesses and former Jehovah's Witnesses having concerns, even being skeptical about this author to the point that they see something, which are known as questionable, I would not say balanced. However, to the faith's variation of apostates, it does not matter for them because they would use this information, even questionable items, for it has not stopped them in the past.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

She seems concerned with the CSA within the CCJW and any JW that is not concerned about it needs to rethink their heart condition.

Concerned, yes, but to over exaggerate things, even a strongly concerning issue, such as suicide, is indeed an issue, issues of which people are aware of, even the faith in question. This is coming from someone who has dealt with those who are suicidal and as well as commit suicide. Something of this matter should not be exaggerated, granted in her case, she deems it very high whereas in reality, this instance alone, is very low.

She is free to speak her peace her, but to withhold and to shift, mainly pressing issues, does not sit well with anyone.

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

(It's no good comparing it to the outside world of which you are no part of. You need to compare it to God's righteous standards).

She is of mainstream Christianity though, an Evangelist, whose ideology who sits well with those who are of the opposite Christology, not to mention the claims of being, not just Chosen, but also, inspired like that of Apostle John.

Therefore, it can be problematic, especially during a time like this.

@Srecko Sostar Can you please answer the question regarding the former Jehovah's Witnesses. Granted they have a role in this.

That being said, I do not see as to how suddenly the article is now of no interest to you, since, were quite adamant from the start of this thread. You even considered Right-Center Bias as mostly factual, granted when it comes to anything pertaining to financial items and or religion, they are not so great, hence the history of right-center bias regarding religion in general - this involves Christianity, this even involves the faith in question, Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia. For, such media are mostly factual when it comes to, the next new song from a rapper, or the swimsuit worn by a celebrity vs. the latter in question and or anything similar.

This is in connection to ARC, as is News Corp, who were the ones who made the claims (financial claims as pointed out above)

As for deficit, some institutions try to hit a goal, they can succumb to a deficiency in whatever it is they are trying to accomplish, mainly when they need revenue to tackle a primary goal of some sort. Again, this involves revenue, hence why I mention donations, for these things are not rocket science.

Also for that other remark, check the claims made by News Corp. After all, it is there, and it is rather questionable. I also pointed out as to when they began the claims, the date and year.

As an update, there is more and more police standing down within the US. As of recent, The Far-Left, consisting of BLM, ANTIFA, etc. have toppled a statue of the 1st President of the United States, George Washington, which is now causing the Far-Right to react. 1619 was also written on the statue after prior to it's toppling. For the more the Far-Left do things, their opposition, The Far-Right are inching closer and closer, granted now, The Far-Right, some of their groups are primarily armed and ready for combat, when I say armed, I mean firearms and assault rifles armed. Civil Rights legislation has been revoked, I believe in California, this allows discrimination on race and background, even gender. We are also entering Soviet Union like territory, granted the actions of someone else, can indirectly effect you, i.e. get you fired, and or shame, etc.

That being said, July 4th will be quite the day. Normally, as an onlooker, you already know how people celebrate this patriotic holiday. It will be vastly different with the tension that is constantly rising, and may come to the point whereas the Left and the Right, in present and online will be in heavy confrontation with each other. And as we know, the MSM continues the tomfoolery, nor do they condemn the actions of those they defend.

@Srecko Sostar Regardless of the institution, a deficit is always something of concern, be it revenue, donations, etc. This is something that is minor, within large institutions, it is not something that is isolated.

That being said, the focus here is ARC, News Corps claims within this article, as well as the former Jehovah's Witnesses that are involved. As the question stated:

7 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

if you read the article, who are the former Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned in the article, as is with the website they are affiliated with?

There is for good reason, again, as to why this is asked, it is not merely their involvement with the police or ARC.

@Srecko Sostar Alright. But compared to the article and the information you cited, it has to line up. If you read the article (I mean read it, not just look at the title), Remember - News Corp has made some claims, even called Jehovah's Witnesses. The Jehovah's Witnesses themselves deemed New Corps to speak of inaccuracies. The fact you linked those 3 links, you just helped everyone to line things up with the article in question to see what is actually the correct information, which, to the article's credit, as some information that is different, hence the right-centered biasness of the article in question; most AU articles revolving around this story possibly by the same Journalist from the way I see it. Granted no one here is talking about apostasy, but rather, a right-centered bias article from a journalist, who, has some run-ins in the past, granted, most of her articles cater to The Right.

That being said, I believe I address you a question, if you read the article, who are the former Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned in the article, as is with the website they are affiliated with? I have my reasons to asking both you and@Witness this. Also, are you aware of, in this article, that regarding one of these former Jehovah's Witnesses, why would both The AUSTRAC The Australian Federal Police (AFP) be branded as unhelpful, for, these authorities have even been blamed by said former Jehovah's Witnesses. I recall you had a statement about law enforcement, however, the person in question sees it differently, to add more fuel to the fire, even the Journalist had issue with law enforcement, namely, The Australian Federal Police (AFP).

That being said, you just made the job a little bit more easier, granted, some of us actually have access to the full article, hence what I stated above. The next focus is now News Corp for the claims began with them.

56 minutes ago, Witness said:

Thank you for your warning, but the bottom line is, it very well could be true. 

And, I should remind you, I am not interested in "mainstream religion", in the least.  My focus is on the Watchtower and the people inside. 

 

I was not referring to mainstream religion....

That being said, you have to be paying attention because when it comes to the Right-Centered bias, likewise with the Left, you are going to run into problems when you take an inconsistency as a truth, or something that is actually true as false.

Also are you aware of the individuals by name in the article you have linked? They were mentioned in ARC - one of them mentioned church property, she is the obvious one because she was mentioned time and time again elsewhere.

EDIT:

An alleged 3rd individual now, which, as stated by said source, is more focused on ARC than the latter information. Are you also aware of this soul, granted it is in relation to ARC? As I had told John Butler again, this is a different situation - COCSA for it is a bit different compared to the norm CSA. 

NOTE: This investigative story was purposed by Natalie O'Brien, a senior reporter. This is probably, assuming, the same Natalie who had quite the confrontation with ABC, I will have to look into this out of curiosity.

https://muckrack.com/natalie-obrien

https://muckrack.com/natalie-obrien/articles

The article in question is referring to News Corp’s attempt to expose the complexities of legal and financial entities in connection to the group, they deem it as obscure. They also added that the charity status may be revoked if it does not sign up to The National Redress Scheme.

The special investigation sub-focus is a call back to the ARC situation in Australia regarding allegations, to which what ARC provided correct vs. the over exaggeration of those who think they know everything pertaining to ARC. The article also claims that Jehovah’s Witnesses are hiding money before the June 30^th joining of the scheme.

Again, as the article can be read, it speaks more and more about ARC regarding institutions, the churches of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are obviously among them, in addition, it states that there are 1,800 potential victims and more than 1,000 alleged pedophiles, as is with the number of those that confess to the crimes they committed themselves.

The article continues to state that the number of pedophiles as well as victims outstrips [rapidly surpassing that of or has] that of the Catholic Church at an exponential rate, however, if anyone is aware of ARC, the percentage of pedophiles/victims within the churches of Jehovah’s Witnesses is minuscule compared to the Catholic Church, as well as others under the gaze of ARC during that time, so that is information here that is catering to the right (going back to ARC the evidence speaks for itself) It goes on to speak of financial compensation, the possibility of $132 million.

Within the area alone, the article states that there are 68k (68,000) adherents to Jehovah’s Witnesses, did not state that they will sign up for the scheme or not. As pointed out, this is what was speculated in relation to the claims of News Corp.

Back to News Corp again, they claim that the Jehovah’s Witnesses were rearranging finances and legal entities. News Corp also revealed this announcement since Nov. 2012, a claim made by them.

The claims as followed:

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  • Restructured its legal charities and entities
  • Grown from a handful of charities to 836 separate small basic religious charities (766 active right now) listed as registered on Dec. 3, 2012 on The Australian Charities and not for profits commission (ACNC) site. Small basic religious charities are not required to provide financial information.
  •  It appears to have had only one charity (The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society Australia Ltd) supplying financial reports to ACNC.
  • Reported to the ACNC $150 million in income for The Watchtower since 2014.
  • Submitted financial reports to the ACNC for the Watchtower showing almost $100 million from 2014 to 2019 in allocated donations and overseas aid.
  • Made a loan of about $6 million (without short term repayment plans) to the UK International Bible Students aka IBSA (listed in UK as IBSA 2015 accounts).
  • Submitted Watchtower financial reports to the ACNC stating it is operating at a loss of $1.9 million deficit in 2019 and $1.2 million in 2018, after making a surplus for the previous 3 years.
  • Been reported to the redress scheme by whistle-blowers as allegedly selling off more than $24 million in related properties since 2012.
  • Not declared in the past 6 years of Watchtower financial reports to the ACNC any potential financial implications from The Redress Scheme.
  • It states that the Jehovah’s Witnesses were contacted, and their response was:

   

  “We have considered your request, however, as your questions appear to be based on factual inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, we respectfully decline to participate”

  • New Corps continued to press them of course to no avail.

   

The position of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and or the organization itself (granted the article is focused on Australia) is that, as even pointed out by ARC, they abhor child sex abuse and that it will not protect any perpetrator and the key submissions made on behalf of the Watchtower itself was familial child sexual abuse, which is not (also not to be confused with) institutional sex abuse (again ARC gives us this evidence).

The article continues, with a former member of Jehovah’s Witnesses in question, to which I will abbreviate: L.K., S.U, who are founders of a website (I assume Witness and Srecko are aware of them if they read the article and or recall the events of ARC). They attempted to contact AUSTRAC with no success, authorities, etc. They even failed to contact Australian Federal Police amid growing fears and an attempt to dodge obligation to victims. A member of AUSTRAC and a member of Australian Federal Police stated

“They [We] do not confirm or deny specific activity the agencies may be undertaking.”

The article continues to blame authorities now, stating that the authorities have let them down. Moreover, L.K is claiming that the Jehovah’s Witnesses, although not joining The Redress Scheme, that they are also saying they do not have enough money for any Redress, but the claim is that they have, and so forth - a mixed bag of potatoes chips right now.

That being said, gather for now, and I thank Bible_Spy for getting the information for me, but clearly there is more, which isn’t easy for her to get.

Again, granted this is right-centered bias catering to the right, I am seeing some inconsistencies, i.e. The misconception of ARC’s percentages regarding child abuse in religious institutions, for as I recall, the Jehovah’s Witnesses were very low, as is with others, compared to the Catholic Church there is no possibility of 68k in one area to surpass Catholics concerning the issue of child abuse, they are at, last I checked higher in the number of adherents - 5,439,268, which is a 5,371,268 difference. The faith in question are a minority. Looks like we would have to go back to ARC because New Corps is not only attempting to shed light on whatever second-handed sources they received, but, they are also throwing more and more ARC into the article.

Just a heads up - Refkije Royal is of mainstream Christianity. There has already been people who has refuted her in general, as is with her book, and these refutations are not from JWs and ExJWs, but others.

Granted the whole mainstream Christianity thing, that is, in her case, and what she proclaims as "teaching the living Christ' dwells in apostasy.

We know that the last of the inspired prophets, John, has died, therefore, no one before him are inspired prophets, but Royal deems herself to be as such.

The note points out that: The author is giving deep prophetic insight and revelation concerning this man made religion and cult that is holding people in bondage.

Granted the scale of the faith in question, to state prophetic insight is a red flag, also, it is known that Restorationism is not Cultism; it is only deemed cultism by those who press this message, for this was pushed by mainstream Christianity before everyone adopted that notion.

That said, you are free to agree/disagree with the faith in question, but you should be aware of a legitimate threat, not to them, but to you also. If I and others can see that, I do not see how some of these notions are ignored.

Also the whole suicide thing and the like is not great in number when religion in general is counted and I would not be surprised if Textual Criticism was also of subject because that would not fair well on Royal's part, as is with most of MSC.

On 6/16/2020 at 1:29 PM, 4Jah2me said:

@Space Merchant  is a man that studies many different religions and has his faith based on core doctrines from God's word. But he also does a lot of very deep studying to prove that his faith and beliefs are correct.

On the other hand, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that a person must become 'one of them' to serve God properly. And JWs generally do not do such deep personal studying. They tend to believe what their Governing Body / Writing Department print in the Watchtower magazine. 

I have my reasons for bringing brought up to study different religions granted I am of my own, more or less, often times to understand of whom I am preaching to, likewise to that of Apostle Paul, who preached to people he knew about in terms of practice and culture, which is mentioned in the Bible.

My faith is based on Scripture, studying is an aspect, but it is God's Word that builds the faith, studying and interpretation is but tools. As for faith, I live it. Because of my faith, I, like many Christians pick up the mantle of those centuries ago when they were against falsehood, an example would be Bishop Irenaeus, as is with the Christian community who profess to study and learning, I originate from.

As for the JWs, what you deem here is a misconception. Granted the ample evidence in question concerning serving God and to be saved, so to speak. Such subject have been discussed time and time again, likewise, people were invited to even discuss this matter a while back. There were some items taken out of context, but delving deeper, you have a conclusion, the truth of the matter. Granted, the view of serving God and to find Truth has always been the same with Restorationist since the Great Christian Awakenings (aka The Religious Revivals) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Awakening

@Witness You are aware of mainstream Christendom correct? Granted their decline has only caused more trouble for those who do not follow them. It is not only about apostasy, it is about the misguided and willful ignorance that causes the masses to apply what they deem as right. Something of which since centuries we have been combating against, chosen or not.

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 

These sources are generally trustworthy for information

They often publish factual information

For celebrity gospel, lifestyle, etc. Majority of anything institution-wise, as the latter points out,

22 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Overall, we rate News.com.au Right-Center Biased based on story selection that slightly favors the right. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to the occasional use of poor sources.

I hope you do realize how religion is viewed by conservatives/liberals of any kind, mainly those who cater to the Left, as is those who cater to the Right.

That being said, it will not end too well on your favor, especially granted the article in question that is presented.

If you do not know how the Left and Right operates, granted both sides tend to get secondary information that are often not as credible, mainly if it is something that are not as favorable, it will not come to the glory of your own favor - let that sink in as the days pass.

You already have an example with the protesting....

@Srecko Sostar @Witness Out of curiosity, are you both aware of the specific people mentioned in the article, as is with property details of the JW churches in said location? I ask this because for a reason, and granted I was able to recover 78% of the article/topic in question, which has some information that you may or may not know.

I'd also like to add that the succession of these movements is crippling good police officers, granted, the movements are deeming all police as threats, good with the bad, therefore are all guilty.

This opens doors for many, many problems, I believe code 12 [There is no one [available officer] to send to a call in] I think it was whereas police cannot even commit to an action. So any sort of crime, as in CSA is a high risk now should anyone of the household commits to it, grant.

That is what happens when there is no order, and this defund the police narrative.

@4Jah2me The question I proposed to you has an obvious answer. What protects the children is the parents/guardians who are morally upright. I bring this up because during this time, with the increased risk, that is where the protection comes from.

That being said, we already have mischief makers and tomfoolery during the day whereas thieves, women raped in tents, CHOP Warlords who come out at night.

The Left has caused this, while the right arm themselves.  Out of the years that both sides have caused some damage, mainly the Left, this time around the one branch of the Left, BLM, has cranked things up to 11 this time around. Civil War is a possibility too, as of recent, one of my co-workers whom I've trained dubs herself as "The Supermodel with Guns", for she has recently bought firearms to protect herself, as said before, since before COVID-19, more and more people buying guns, even the inexperienced. To her created, she use to hunt as a child.

16 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Obviously, I meant historians in the new system, looking back on that wicked year of the old. They will be a hounded lot, because they will be trying to recall the things that God say will no longer come up for remembrance—a little like Nimrod’s boys building the tower so as to not be scattered the way God said they should.

There was a woman a while back I know who said if she lives through God's Day, and as years past from then, she wants to teach children about God, she even addressed if children within the new creation asks how life was like back then, she would explain to them, or have it written down.

Mind you, this woman is disabled, and she really takes the promises of God's Kingdom quite seriously. She had a YouTube video a while back about it, but that will be tough to find, going back 2011-2012, but it was quite an interesting thought.

That being said, that is like that of a historian, the position itself, mainly when it comes to teaching children and or those who lived before us, can you imagine explaining to Apostle Paul what an iPhone is, or what Air Jordan's were?

@Srecko Sostar Srecko, are you sure you found the right address, so to speak?

https://www.nationalredress.gov.au/about/about-website

This is a Child Abuse and Neglect hotline website, I had this linked a while back when I told you there are solutions to helping children, making them aware, some of which are affiliated with CSA services and aid. Mainly if the help is truly needed. Likewise, the same solutions they have, I even addressed them to you - you simply laughed at them, I take it this time you agree with me.

The link I am referring to is the one in the very beginning of the thread, cited by Witness.