Space Merchant

Also confusion and willful misinformation pushes those who dwell on anything false and or untruth to reap profits. In a sense, some profit off of fear of the world somehow ending by means of climate change.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. And yet you have the government, the powers that be who seek to make things even worse, the real masterminds behind various things of their own design. I myself isn't someone for guns despite holding one once that was unloaded a very long time ago, but I have met people who had used and trained with them, especially, for instance, Steven Gern, he is a former US marine.

That being said, the focus is in question if For Government Control and Not For Government Control concerning guns, and due to the march for our lives event when such questions are addressed concerning such, it exposes the fact that even the people do not know what they are fighting for and or are deeply confused, for example, the ban of bump stocks has not changed the situation of gun control and gun violence throughout the US, as is with the confusion of those, at said event who are in favor of banning assault rifles, but are somehow okay with handguns, for it is said over 80% of mass shootings are carried out by someone with handguns vs. that of assault rifles, regardless it comes down to not the weapon, but the person who is holding that weapon who commits to cause harm.

I also remember someone pointed out that the US should do what the Chinese are doing concerning guns, making it as difficult as possible to get a license to carry, but since the US is in the state that it is, with guns all over the place, it comes down to people wanting to stand their ground and defend, but there are those who commit to hate and chaos that makes it harder for the good guy with the gun to actually take action.

I get a lot of heat for speaking against lies against the police, for I am even called a police sympathizer, but the truth is the truth, not all policemen are evil, but today's world say otherwise. The head of police does can only counsel the people within the force, actions done by members of the force can either be good willed or ill willed, but it does not define all of them.

The death toll has been updated, for this time it is, as I assume all of you have heard, has increased to 22, including the 9 deaths in Ohio, makes the death toll 31 (Gilroy bringing the count of victims to 34). Aside from that, there are demonic ones our there by means of their ill influence who think stuff like this is a game, whereas a man was an arrested for posting a threat, for he states he would kill 500 people not thread, pushing this as a goal.

The El Paso Texas shooter and the Ohio shooter both of have an ideology of the left/right whereas one leans left to the extreme, and the other, leans right to the extreme. The Gilroy shooter, however was more into rage, anger and hate, and had no leaning whatsoever. For there was a LOT of discussion in the independent media and the truther community regarding this.

This is evident to what is discovered:

He, the El Paso Shooter, considers the Republican Party terrible, he supported universal income universal health care and was an environmentalist, which provides the fact that he was allegedly left wing (right opposed; opposing right), however, the fact that he also did hold far right extremist views on immigration, which some are led to believe that being the overall motive of the that was the attack, targeting an area, which is known to have a demographic about 80% in regards to the Hispanic/Latino community, shows he was leaning right – which is more accurate to consider him right wing extremist. He also had a concern for the demographic replacement of white people (granted of how people in the US view white men branded all of them as bad, both young and old, even those who are innocent in this madness). Despite the fact the shooter wrote a manifesto of his beliefs, the MSM (mainstream media - CNN) pushed the notion that President Trump was the force of inspiration to this shooter, however, the shooter’s beliefs predate Trump, hence the claim of inspiration is unfounded, and already, left wingers have already, as we speak, are exploiting this tragedy and there are those politicizing this shooting as is with the other, and the end result of their depraved and non-problem solving warpath is to blame Trump, all the while such as is with the MSM continue to trick and brainwash the masses with this notion (such as President Candidate Beto O'Rourke, CNN anchors, Reza Aslan, Ms. Warren’s comment about Fox News when it is known her biggest fan was one of the shooters, etc.)

Their blame game is problematic, because if one were to put blame on Trump regarding El Paso, likewise, someone such as, President Candidate Elizabeth Warren should hold blame as well, for the other shooter, the Ohio Shooter publicly supported Ms. Warren and proclaimed that he was going to vote for her to quote [“Nahh, but only cuz Harris is a cop - Warren I'd happily vote for”], and he reveals himself to be opposing right left wing and or a leftist, even described himself to be such. It is evident that he is a left winger due to the fact he wanted Socialism and had expressed great praise and sympathy for ANTIFA (the anti-facist group is also left wing extremist) for one of their own (Willem Van Spronsen) was responsible for the firebomb attack on an ICE facility; referring to the bomber as a martyr – mind you very VERY little is spoken of regarding this attack and a whole lot of misinformation has been passed around. He invoked Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez regarding her concentration camp rhetoric and he had pushed and tweeted to vote blue, retweeted Democratic President Candidate Brine Sanders, he also tweeted to kill every fascist, he tweeted Right Wing watcher Jared Holt (of which I will get into later), as is a follower of Michael/Mike Stuchbery and praised him too, and we know he is a Satanist because in one of his tweets, he quotes, [“hail Satan”], which is a strong indicator of a soul who is evidently alienated from God and Christ, and God’s people. All of which, again, shows us that the Ohio shooter was a left wing extremist, for the support of ANTIFA is a solidified giveaway. More so, Mehdi Hasan blamed Trump for the El Paso shooting and the Ohio Shooter responded to Hasan by saying he is [“Arm, train, prepared”]. Not to mention the fact that he had kill list of those he has hate for, and a rape list as well targeting girls in school at the time, all the while he was in high school - and of course, the signs have been ignored, and no flags were raised.

I like many do not like the idea of shameless, stupid and ignorant people rushing to turn negative life changing tragedies politicize gold rush, especially when there is a blame game cross-fire that is ensuing, the blow back and the aftermath that is both the bread and butter to engineering more negativity by molding bad influence which begets wickedness. For as is what I had said about various things, like violence and child abuse, the same case can be said regarding mass shootings, for there will be no end to them, as to those exploiting tragedy, shootings happened, even predate Trump’s presidency, and they will continue to take place after his presidency, for people, seem to forget that such is the price we pay due to sin, provided by means of imperfection.

As to make a case regarding Gun Laws (nor are the actions of those who are Statist), it will not change anything, for the real problem lies within the society of those in America in our young women and mostly in our young men, granted America is known to be gun crazy and fairly an easy country for anyone to get their hands on a gun and or rifle. We live in a world whereas nihilism is indeed great, for nihilism the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless, as some would say somewhat of an aspect of spiritual death, with this mentality and such one in effect by such being on the stage of neo-liberalism that indoctrinates young people to cut off/to shun community, the family structure and education found in the family, such a society teaches the push for fame and or instant notoriety coupled with generating controversy and the ideology of narcissism, to have riches, today’s society glorifies and celebrates criminals and killers, in which the MSM and those who support it gives fame and picture to murderers, a society that produces those to the level of being desperate and to become pathetic in so as much to not obtaining such high standards and or status that commits to the consequence of a life of serious and relentless mediocrity to the notion of lashing out, to commit violence. For regarding such 2 Timothy 1:1-7 comes to mind as is with all references pertaining to such.

Another point I would like to make is race is somehow always involved. Regarding the demographics of such, Caucasian/White males, young men are often targeting of and being moved into resentful extremist practices and ideologies, for we know this because in today’s society and culture, such ones are often blamed for many problems for historical evils (i.e. so and so should be beaten, assaulted physically and or sexually, etc because of wicked men in the past, be it of and or no relation to such one), for there are those out there who proclaim that young Caucasian/White males are a cancer to society for such often begets a negative response when you push such ones over the edge with absurdities, when such is not true, but even if you speak the truth in this matter, you have stupid persons out there and hypocrites who try to proclaim otherwise knowing they are dead wrong.

That being said, there are those out there that think they have solutions to the problem, but go about things the wrong way and only cause more problems and continue to make the flames bigger, while those with the solutions to try, knowing they cannot stop something 100%, but rather try to minimize the situation. In the meantime, safety is of high concern but even safety in of itself – is merely a placebo, especially in your own home, therefore, vigilance is key.

Also a sidenote: The Video Game Community is under attack, and somehow got pulled into this mess, and the warpath of painting all gamers as violent and uncaring is on the move again: As brought forth in this video on this link.

Also regarding Jared Holt:

On 8/3/2019 at 2:10 PM, Equivocation said:

@Witness But Witness... It wasn't just priests in the Temple, or in this case, the people in union with Jesus Christ.

Remember, Paul was writing to the Corinthains. The temple itself was the congregation as a whole and that Jehovah God was in, or a fancy word for it, dwelled in the people. 

It's actually clearer when you take a good read at the marginal references, especially the one verse from Ephesians.

But yeah..... A congregation of Priests only? It's kinda odd, especially with what is actually read in the passage and the other passages about the people Paul wrote to, their congregation(s).

Someone brought up Chloe. She wasn't a priest, she was a member of one of the congregations Paul wrote to.

It is small stuff like that you have to take into account, there's no shame in slipping up tho, especially this one.

The sign of such one who does not take into account of what Paul conveys. Now, you are right to say what you said for Apostle Paul wrote the First Epistle (Letter) of Corinthians to the church of Corinth, the focus for Apostle Paul was to upbuild the church, to giver counsel concerning the unity of all those in the church, he conveys counsel on morality and or being clean in the moral domain, as is to have love for all brothers and sisters in the church for the Church of Corinth had several problems, which is the reason Apostle Paul had to make action concerning such, i.e. Corinth had a reputation for its depravity, and the temple prostitutes of Aphrodite (false god; Greek Goddess which is a counterpart to Roman Goddess Venus, as is to the Phoenician and Canaa’nite Astarte, and the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar) did not help in saving the city's bad name, more so, there was even the practice of fornication and a list of other things.

Apostle Paul was the one to help establish the church of Corinth during his ministry tour. Moreover, Corinth is also mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles (The Book of Acts) concerning Paul’s ministry travels. During Apostle Paul’s 3^rd ministry tour, he was in Ephesus, Paul had received word regarding the Church of Corinth, and such of what was given to him was negative. This resulted in the First Epistle (Letter) being written to the Church of Corinth, for Paul here wants to counsel, encourage and upbuild the church itself, not solely the priest, granted Witness’ claim of such is in err due to the fact of what is read in chapters 1 to 4 in 1 Corinthians whereas Apostle Paul pushing said upbuilding for the members of the church to be united, in addition, he urges them to not give in to thinking that is clearly negative, with the bulk of what Paul is conveying is emphasized in 1 Corinthians chapter 3. The matter of morality and immorality is expressed in chapters 5 to 6 for Paul counsels that the Christians of the Church of Corinth should flee from sexual sin that opens door to ill flesh desires by means of sexual immorality, as is with the practice of excommunication when it comes to those who commit acts of wrong willfully. Chapter 7 goes into the counsel of those who are single and those who are married, concerning, as the Bible outline says, Married Life and or Principles of Marriage (depending on what translation you use). Chapters 8 to 10 is concerning humbleness and the push for spreading the good news gospel. Chapter 11 is concerning the Lord’s Supper and Head Coverings whereas chapter 12 Apostle Paul connects the Church of Corinth to that of the body parts of the human anatomy for although both male and females have vastly different roles in the church, something both Srecko and Witness were disagreeing with, that such ones are still in union with the church, in union with the Christ, therefore, Paul was counseling to upbuild so as to which the Church of Corinth can be unified. Chapter 13 is concerning what love is and how it is displayed as is how it is not displayed. Chapter 14 is all about Order, the structure of the church, as is the church must be harmonious, for again, the one who claims to be chosen stated otherwise, as is the lackey. Chapter 15 is concerning the Resurrection Hope regarding our Lord, Christ Jesus as is with accounts of Jesus’ resurrection in connection over winning the battle against sin and death and spoken prophecy, hence the mention of Macedonia, and he has given final instruction in verses 12 to 15 and his final greeting in this chapter is verses 19 to 24.

Several months later, Apostle Paul wrote his Second Epistle (Letter) to the Corinthians, the church of Corinth. Around that time, Titus, a friend of Apostle Paul, went to Corinth to help out as is to check up on how the church is doing. Afterwards, Titus returned to Apostle Paul with rejoiceful news. As a side note, it is stated by some that Timothy was a co-writer of the letter, and that the message was not only for the church of Corinth, but also Christians in the surrounding area Achaea, hence 2 Corinthians 1:1. The focus of this second letter revolved around God’s mercy and righteousness. Apostle Paul writes his second letter to the Corinthians, indicating his desire to visit the church (2 Corinthians  12:14, 2 Corinthians  13:1). The letter does not indicate where he is writing from, however, it is stated to be usually dated after Apostle Paul left Ephesus for Macedonia (Acts 20), from either Philippi or Thessalonica in Macedonia, as some would say.

Some other points, Witness pointed now points out sanctuaries when the focus regarding those verses point to the Church of Corinth, granted Apostle Paul’s letter, as is with references to aid letter similar to the others that he wrote, moreover, granted we are talking about Corinthian, as can see here once again, the confusing of Temples back in the days of Israel vs. Christian Churches that came when the teachings that Jesus Christ conveyed began to spread to those of the nations.

Granted the Church of Corinthian was not solely Jews, we can see by the passage in question, the church consists of Jews and Gentiles. Unless you want to put forth an imagination and believe as some do that perhaps Greece was run by and only by Jews, with not a single Gentile in sight.

Witness claims only the chosen ones represent God’s Temple – that is, the Christ. However, as we can see in the verses cited by Witness has mixed verses again. Witness’ claim would have held steadfast if there was no mention of those who are not chosen, granted by the gravity of context by the verses that was mixed in with said claim, example such as

• 2 Corinthians 6:16, the whole chapter, proclaims concerns fellowship within Christendom, someone who is a True Christian and someone who isn't and that such imbalance can cause harm to the church itself. In addition, the chapter conveys God’s spirit dwelling within those in union with the Temple of God, hence the marginal references concerning those in union with the Christ, as one reference points back to 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 concerning the, to quote myself “Apostle Paul pushing said upbuilding for the members of the church to be united, in addition, he urges them to not give in to thinking that is clearly negative, with the bulk of what Paul is conveying is emphasized in 1 Corinthians chapter 3.” Witness attest to the idea that Paul here was speaking solely of those who make up the chosen ones, which is incorrect, for Apostle Paul here was addressing the WHOLE church by means of his letter, and this chapter, as is with the messaged taken into account by other Christians in the area, Jew and or Greek, more so, the fact we know he was referring to everyone in the church is evident in the very beginning verses of the chapter, for clearly a rejoiceful man who’s counsel helped a church that was in trouble, would speak to not only priests, or whomever has some rank in the church, but the people, who are in union in Christ with him as is having God’s spirit dwell in him and all, a strong reason as to why the verses in Ephesians is cited too.
•  Ephesians 2:20-22, Chapter 2 in its entirely is regarding all Christians, in this regard, the Ephesians, and at the time Apostle Paul wrote this letter from Rome, while under guard and awaiting trial. More evidence that shows how Witness is painting the message on the wall here is the fact that chapter 1 (also well into 3), from the get go, Apostle Paul addresses both the chosen ones who will be with the Christ and the ones who will have eternal life, coming together in union to God through Jesus Christ. From there it brings us to chapter 2 whereas Paul spoke of the Old Covenant being a blockade to Jews and Gentiles, but because of Jesus sacrifice, because of the death of our Lord, this blockade has ceased to exist, for as stated many times, Jesus’ death enabled the New Covenant, all things pertaining to Spiritual Israel, and God’s people consist of both Jews as well as Gentile, for Paul pointed out already there is no distinction between Jew or Greek, and a nod to Simon Peter, who stated God is impartial, more so, God’s spirit dwells upon True Christians who accept the teachings and adhere to what Jesus taught, as is with worship his God.

That being said, simply look up the discussion regarding LIVING STONES regarding me and Witness, and from there you can see further things that deem contradictory to what was stated by Witness in this thread, WHITEWASH.

I also liked to point to what I had stated to a Trinitarian a while back in a debate about 4^th century Church Fathers concerning True Christians and the fact God dwells in true Christ, as he has dwelled in Christ and his Disciples:

On 2/4/2018 at 9:07 AM, Space Merchant said:

FYI, you made comment to this bible verse Colossians 2:9 to James Thomas Rook Jr. The Father and the Christ dwells in True Christians too:

We see this in the very next verse (literally)

Colossians 2:10 -and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

It also says it in this verse

In Ephesians 3:19 -and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

For The same FULLNESS of deity dwells in all true Christians.

This is why we, as Christians, thank the True God, for our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:3 (Thanksgiving and Prayer) - We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

There is more to it, but I am being simple and respectful to the context of God dwelling in true Christian and yet being brief here.

Lastly, it is quite evident that Chloe was not a priest (granted that religious office was more associated with males in the church and the fact when Paul addressed roles and only used HE and HIM, as is what he addressed concerning Adam and Eve in terms of Order). Chloe was mentioned once in the Bible – only once. And in this instance most translations will merely say HOUSE OF CHLOE, which is regarding Chloe’s family. For the woman (Chloe) through whose family Apostle Paul’s reports included, connected to the situation regarding the reports of the church of Corinth, which played a role in Paul writing his first letter. Srecko had stated before that Chloe was of religious office of the church as is with the error on both their part regarding one Judge of Israel.

Albert Barnes commentary 1 Cor. 1:11 [“Of the house of Chloe - Of the family of Chloe. It is most probable that Chloe was a member of the church at Corinth, some of whose family had been at Ephesus when Paul was, and had given him information of the state of things there. Who those members of her family were, is unknown. Grotius conjectures that they were Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus, mentioned in 1 Corinthians 16:17, who brought the letter of the church at Corinth to Paul. But of this there is no certain evidence; perhaps not much probability. If the information had been obtained from them, it is probable that it would have been put in the letter which they bore. The probability is that Paul had received this information before they arrived.”]

That being said, a lot of commentary even in regards to such things shows evidence to the blindness spouted by some who are both confused and the deluded in the face of Bible truth, which can be seen, you speak of Paul yet you get a talk about Korah even called Korah for stating the truth.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

I have selected various quotes of yours from the topic,  “Whitewash”: 

Witness knows I believe this, he only says I do not because what I say is indeed true concerning God's people. Witness' absurd claim that Spiritual Israel only consist of the chosen ones is false and there is no Scriptural support whatsoever, granted that God's people consist of ALL persons concerning the Christ.

So in a sense, it shows that Witness slanders even in the face of Scripture and still holds claim to be a chosen one.

You do know I believe this, WHITEWASH page 1, to which I even responded with biblical evidence in which you said there isn’t anything and paraphrased from legitimate sources such as scholars and Theologians, such as your favorite – Albert Barnes.

And I will gladly quote myself, to which you stated before there is no Scriptural Evidence:

On 7/19/2019 at 8:27 PM, Space Merchant said:

Witness - Dear Sir, I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself.

And yet there was a discussion regarding the spiritual house and those who are in said house.

On the contrary, there is Scriptural support.

In the Old Testament, God had foretold that the Old Covenant, otherwise as the Sinaic Law covenant would be replaced with another, the New Covenant. The New Covenant is a biblical interpretation originally derived from a phrase in the Book of Jeremiah. iI refers to It is often thought of as an eschatological age, otherwise known as the Messianic Age or The World to Come by some, in addition, it is related to what we already know about God's Kingdom.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, which reads:

The New Covenant

[31] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. [33] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

The Old Covenant's (Sym. Haggar; bounded woman) mediator between God and Natural Israel is the Son of Amram, Moses. In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the Isrealites. And around this time people were validated by animal sacrifices and what was to be followed was written on stone tablets.

The New Covenant's (Sym. Sarah; free woman) mediator between God and Spiritual Israel is the only begotten son of the true God, child to Mary and Joseph, Jesus (Imanuel). In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the both Jews and Gentiles. And around this time people were validated by Jesus giving his life for mankind (Jesus' Sacrifice) and what was to be followed was written within our hearts.

The difference is that in the New Covenant we are to follow and adhere the Foremost Commandment and all that hangs from it, as what Jesus said to those who asked him, such was held to a high importance to him, hence what I always reference, Shema Yisrael.

We also know that Jesus spoke with his disciples regarding the New Covenant.

As we see below:

Luke 22:20 - And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood

(ref. Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24)

For an honest Christian and Bible reader would point out that even the Christ himself has stated as is mentioned above, that he [Jesus] plainly said the New Covenant involved His blood being shed (Jesus referred to a New Covenant, which is an allusion to Jeremiah 31:31 as seen above).

The New Covenant immediately came into effect after Jesus' death and just days later we see what has taken place at Pentecost, read Acts 2, as is what can be read in Galatians and or Romans, etc, for the New Covenant allowed not just Jews, but Gentiles to be in the church of the Christ, and all of them, who uphold the teachings and believe and worship in God and accept the word of the prophet he sent, of whom he made Christ, Jesus, all these people are in union with the Christ, man or woman, rich or poor, etc and to this day, the New Covenant is in effect, hence why there is a huge importance in the good news gospel and the Messianic Age of which must be professed - for I believe you claimed to be of the chosen ones, why is it you say there is no support when the Bible speaks the truth itself? Again, be focused on the Bible.

For True Christians who are in union with the Christ uphold and know that and believe that Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and that the Blood of Christ shed at his crucifixion is the required blood of the covenant. The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Jesus Christ, and within this agreement, it includes all who are united with Jesus Christ, or as the Bible says, all those who are in [union with] Christ.

The Covenant that is by means of Jesus' blood is mentioned time and time again, there is no reason to brush off what Spiritual Israel entails, for all of Spiritual Israel are of the Spiritual House, not solely the chosen ones.

• 1 Corinthians 11:25 - In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
• 2 Corinthians 3:1 - Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you?
• 2 Corinthians 3:6 - who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
• Hebrews 8:8 - For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
• Hebrews 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
• Hebrews 9:15 - Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
• Hebrews 12:24 - and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

That being said, you mentioned Galatians before, do you not consider your brothers and sisters in Christ as the heirs who are also of the house, all in union with the Christ despite not being of the chosen ones, the firstfruits?

Do not ignore those in union with the Christ.... The very reasons I questioned you earlier in my comment on this thread.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

That being said, so it is ignorance, willfulness, when the Bible informs you on Spiritual Israel. 

Which is indeed true, especially when we can see the first few comments of the WHITEWASH thread before I even mentioned the Book of Jeremiah.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Because you are ignorant. If God says or does something, who are we to go around his Word, let alone take and or add to it, which is against God's Law?

Also true, for you and Srecko pushed the notion of Christian churches in ancient Israel concerning a Judge, as is with false information of Chloe, in which you knew Srecko's claims were in err, yet you sided with him every step of the way, when the Bible itself holds true to the fact that both of you were in the wrong.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Exactly, but those of Spiritual consist of all persons in union with the Christ. But you had professed earlier that only the chosen ones are of Spiritual Israel, missing the mark on what the New Covenant is all about.

Which goes back to when I asked you in the WHITEWASH thread concerning ALL of God's people, which you ignored, and mixed and cherry pick verses concerning only the chosen ones, especially with what Paul wrote.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

WInsider asked you, “Do you really think that Spirtual Israel is made up both the earthly class and the heavenly class?” 

SM:  “Yes. Spiritual Israel is made up of all of God's people, all under one teaching of the Christ, all in union with Christ, and like him, they too have the fullness of God dwelling in them, and each and every single one of them dwell in the Spiritual House as is with God's Temple, that is, the Christ.

And what point are you trying to prove with this one concerning hypocrisy, granted what I mentioned in page 1 of your WHITEWASH thread, and the fact you uttered afterwards to the child that I do not believe such?

Granted you will merely quote without giving an explanation when the information I address is there and clear, with biblical support all intact.

As for my answer to JWI, it was a correct one. The chosen ones are in union with the Christ, the ones with the hope of eternal life are in union with the Christ. Those of Zion and those of the earth believe and follow Jesus, and they worship his God, Yahweh, the one who has paved away for the New Covenant to take place, of which it stems back to his original promise. Jesus himself died for all of mankind, not solely a selected few, his church, just days later, consist of both Jews and Gentiles accepting and following his teachings.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

I have my reasons for defending even the minor things of the New Covenant due to how mainstream Christendom has tainted it, and I am not the only one who defends such as well. And there are those who speak wrongly of the Covenant wrongly, and far worse and in this regard, the correction by means of the Bible must be made.

Because I will always defend it as I do with Shema Yisrael and the Holy Spirit, as I had done for years, for such has not changed.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Just a question, SM; is the WT and all JWs, now “ignorant”, “willful” in making “absurd claims”?

Can you point out absurd claims regarding the New Covenant concerning them? Because we go back to the WHITEWASH thread, we can see what is said by such ones as the boy, JWI, and the lot. Jesus did not give himself up as a sacrifice to the Jews only, but to Gentiles as well. To believe otherwise is being ignorant, willful in absurd notion and claim.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Have they “twisted the truth” and caused you “insult”, teaching this perceived falsehood concerning Spiritual Israel as well as the New Covenant?

And I address again, can you point this out in the face of what JWI and the boy had said, as is with the core belief of Christendom mentioned and paraphrased by me and others in the WHITEWASH thread?

It can be pointed that you are in err fairly easily by mere passages and marginal references to passages to prove to claim and what you are being accused of.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Is the Watchtower organization still part of "Restorationism", or are they now part of “mainstream Christendom” by “tainting” the understanding of the New Covenant? 

Restorationism still exists, both in group and lone ones. Restorationism is not even part of mainstream Christendom, which is a known fact to everyone. One thing for certain, there are some who has given into mainstream Christendom, thus breaking away from Restorationist roots altogether, whereas the majority enters into mainstream Christendom, the belief of hellfire torment, afterlife and living souls, spirit torment, tainting God's love and impartially, teaching that only Jews are of Christ and all Gentiles are doomed, Trinitarianism, Oneness belief, New Ageism, Spirituality, Astrology, etc. There are those, no, the majority of mainstream Christendom that take to the idea that since all of us believe in God we should unite in form of an interfaith, to which those who are against the mainstream, against the protest and or reformation, speak and preach against, be it directly or indirectly.

Mainstream Christendom and the interfaith idea it pushes is seen as a clear and great threat to those who follow the Christ, as a real chosen one had stated, that there are those who do not know the real enemy they are fighting, for such ones are the ones to be easily swayed by the mainstream without notice, like a unexpected flood, hence my strong disdain for the mainstream, what they have done as is with the events they produce such as peak, Kairos, and that abomination that was taken place in Washington, to which I had challenged a mainstreamer and told him to repent and go about the truth the right way in before regarding this, as confused as Mario is, I pity him unfortunately, it has fallen to sexual sin.

That being said, JWs have always been and still are Restorationist, granted that Great Awakening is when Restorationsim came forth, and at the time they were Bible Students, and as the years went on by other Retorationist have either went off grid and or gave in to mainstream Christendom, for even in that day and age there was always a constant fight between the mainstream and the non-mainstream.

For today, the bulk of the fight for thee truth about God and his Christ is against the front-line solider of mainstream Christendom, the interfaith and Trinitarianism.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Will you continue to sympathize for their work since they have ‘missed the mark’?

It isn't about sympathizing, it is about speaking the truth concerning lies and or conspiracy.

I speak the truth of other things, and deemed a Jesuit, a Jew, a police lover, far right or a leftist, a racist, etc, even you added a claim you could not prove regarding you calling me Misogynist when that is down right forbidden in my culture, we even have sayings and proverbs regarding women, hence why I challenged you to give evidence and you never said a word.

That being said, I really do not care what you stance is regarding JWs, you can hate them to the ends of the earth, no one is going to knock you, but to produce lie and or conspiracy, that is another issue.

More so, even concerning the Bible and the Bible alone, God's inspired word, speak otherwise of his word, I can guarantee you, as I have done before, you would be refuted, for speaking outlandishly of God's Word with something that has no sense with prompt challenge and question, of which I am clearly known for, more so, the fact you do not consider such a mistake but push such willful will only make the matters worse.

That being said, if the Bible proclaims the God had saved Hezekiah from the Assyrians army and someone proclaims this truth, immediately you attest to that being of the WT's teachings, and yet somehow it is right in your eyes that the savior of Hezekiah was the deceiver all along. That in of itself shows foolishness and ignorance when the Bible tells us clearly of who saved Hezekiah and how it was done.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

Those under the New Covenant:

1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10

Of course you only point to, no, cherry pick, the verses concerning only the chosen ones. I suggest you check ALL verses concerning the New Covenant as a whole, rather than a few verses. For, sacrificing a passage or a context of something for the sake of a single and or very few verses does not help to push the message of the Christ, nor does it help anyone. That notion you push is enough to give some random stranger in the ministry a lost hope that if he or she is not of the chosen ones, such one has no chance, thus causing a bigger void between accepting the teachings and learning about God. One of the reasons I even told you in the past - do you even adhere to the Great Commission? The answer to this is evidently a bold no.

As I recall, Jesus died for all of mankind, and Jesus wanted the people to know who he is, and who his God is, as this is strongly brought forth in Jesus' final prayer.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

I'm not the one who put a red Superman cape on Jesus. 

And your point? Jesus is a mighty warrior and King, and he commits to the purpose and the will of the Father for he himself made this clear if you understood John 10:30 and all references to that verse. Jesus with angels under him, fought the Heavenly Warrior against Satan and his demons and will be continue the fight on the day of God’s Day – Harmageddon, and it will not solely be God’s adversary and the demons he will deal with, but also, those who are of the wicked.

In the WHITEWASH thread, there is a link to your response to a woman on this forum, with evidence of you watering down our Messiah's role as King. For it isn't about a cape, Witness, it is about the seriousness of Jesus' Kingship, him being at the right hand of God and made superior to all the angels, the fact that he led an army against the one you assume to have had a role against The Egyptians and saving Hezekiah somehow.

That being said, Superman isn’t Disney, the character belongs to DC comics and WB. As in Disney level, it is regarding of you equaling to Jesus's role as King to that of the level of Mickey Mouse, so to speak. Jesus' role is a serious one, and God's purpose and will is done through Jesus, even in regards to the fact that Jesus is King, for instance, the fact he will resurrect people by the multitudes as Apostle John conveyed.

23 hours ago, Witness said:

I'm curious where you may have found me, since only here am I known as "Witness".  I have not strayed far lately.  Perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else who shares the same message I do.  

The one of whom you proclaim the message for as is with those who follow said message have been spoken of in the past be it by name or by where such one can be located simply by quoting your proclaimer, an example would be the topix thread, of which I had addressed before the website has changed, even linked screenshots of someone else you defended to show evidence that no one agrees with said person when you said otherwise. You and your proclaimer have been called to question because there was a discussion concerning several things.

No mistake because back in our original discussion when topix was accessible, several followers were mentioned including you, one of the reasons one of my original questions to you went along the lines that if the Bible had been corrupted.

For, this isn't the first time I addressed this to you either, for way back I attested to this, as is with the whole gun totting, poison drinking claim regarding JWs by followers of another whom you adhere to.

@TrueTomHarley Another one leaves the Statist - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-chief-of-staff-communications-director-leave_n_5d45dc9ae4b0ca604e32ee08

18 hours ago, admin said:

This must have been fake news..... a 16 yr. old just won 3 million in the Fortnite World Cup.

He won't be getting all his money unfortunately.

@Matthew9969 And Excommunication originates from the Bible, as is such practice had been entrusted to the church, thus, becomes an ability used by the church concerning sinners who commit wrong, as is with an example given should someone wish to come back to the church.

@TheWorldNewsOrg There was an update, I believe 20 dead now and 26+ injured. Evidently the death toll may rise. A second shooting recently happen, this time in Ohio.

@TrueTomHarley Or that. Pretty much anyone is does not like what Apostle Paul had to say. Believe it or not, those that do are often the ones to either ignore Paul's written, or tear it out from their Bible - ALL OF IT.

I remember one of my debates a group one, a long time ago, the other group had one of their speakers, a 19 year old year had the American Standard Bible, it was revealed that all that Paul had wrote, she had torn from her AS, it became evident because when the discussion revolved around The Promised Abrahamic Seed, she was not able to find anything in the New testament properly, until one of the onlookers check her Bible and had told each and everyone one of us what was discovered, and after being exposed, she left the debate with a bang by "bashing Paul" if you will. The judge of the time was clearly not as religious or an avid Bible reader, hence he said, I remember vividly, that Satan must've been eating the pages of the girl's Bible because I see little to nothing about what Paul wrote.

That being said, it was from there on out, well I would say days later, I wanted to know, even figure out if there was actually people out there who detests Paul, and I found out later on. It gets even worse when people tried to push the idea that Matthew, Jesus and others were somehow against Paul.

On 8/2/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

I wrote word "reader" -  ONLY this word, and not - honest reader

The Glasgow thread before I exposed you, you called yourself an honest reader. Luckily I saved your quote because I knew that day after you've been exposed, you'd wipe out everything. You called yourself this when I asked you if you read through the actual story rather that follow a video that spread misinformation.

On 8/2/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

You are Constructor of other people sentences ! 

Not really when there is evidence. Your own response fits you however.

On 8/2/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Do not add words that i had never say !

Why would I when there is legitimate proof of which I had saved?

On 8/2/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

I think that i will stop further conversation with you !

Then perhaps next time, do not ask questions, get an answer, and go into an Alice in Wonderland laced warpath.

On 8/2/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Shameful !!! 

How so? You want to know what else is shameful? Laughing at ideas conveyed by child services to better help and protect our children. Here is another one, stating the fact that God is okay with sex organ change. Here is another one, conveying the ideas and odd interpretations that has nothing to do with the Bible. As is with the Satanic lies professed by you in the other thread.

That being said, despite both you and Witness being deluded and depraved concerning the Bible and other things, I have more pity for the latter than you because you are the type of fellow that are the oddballs of every Bible discussion be it a public domain, forum and or in person. Therefore, it is easy to deal with you if need be, especially regarding one who can't even give answer to his own claims.

Aside from that I believe the last response regarding inspiration and Paul, there were some things addressed to you - please do not avoid them for a second time.

Edit: I know you will react with a laugh. A sign of a man, because this is ALL you do when you get shut down easily. So laugh commencing in 3...2......1.....

On 8/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

Apparently, it is okay with you if the group teaches false doctrine, as the WT has and does. 

Can you show me as to which false teachings I am grouping them with? Last I checked, you defiled the core teachings of the New Covenant and you put emphasis on a false view of religious church office. Even outside of anything regarding JWs, you yourself fail concerning the Bible, let alone understand prophecy.

What what to expect from someone who calls themselves among the chosen ones, but lacks and twist God's word and even resort to cherry picking. You are not fooling anyone.

On 8/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

But, according to you, no one must bring up the false doctrine,

According to me? I speak against falsehood, always, but what you are conveying is your view and opinion of a group you left. Falsehood is teachings of the mainstream that so called Christians will push, we can see this clearly in your Whitewash thread and your other thread regarding women.

You speak of falsehood, yet you are the one to reduce Jesus' kingship to Disney Level proportions, and continue to give proclaim a message that is err. This is 100% evident because outside of this forum, people call your information to question, it isn't just me.

On 8/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

but accept the group (with their lies)

Show me as to which lies I accept - I asked you this before but you said nothing. Then tell me if this is a lie.

Did God save King Hezekiah, and did Jesus death enabled a Covenant for mankind? Or anything for that mater.

If you actually went out to preach the gospel instead of spouting senseless things on this forum, you'd realize what people want to know regarding God, his Son and the Kingdom.

That being said, the fact that I not only used the Bible, but constantly paraphrased even scholars and theologians from time to time will show how much this claim of yours stand in error.

On 8/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

since they propose to be Christians that fit your definition of "Christian". 

You do not know what it means to be Christian because if you had, you would not have shown the such a circus of a show in your Whitewash thread. Dare I quote something from Barnes unknowingly, you would claim it is a WT teachings, and I had done so before when using 1 John 4:1 to put you to the test, as I had done here now.

That being said, it is funny how you make this claim, granted, you do not recognize any stone of the spiritual house and ignore all verses pretending to such, and only focus on the chosen ones and claim that only the chosen ones are of Jesus' Covenant.

You are not fooling everyone, granted not one of your threads stands on grounds of solely explanation of Scripture.

On 8/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

I am sorry, but it is not me that is the hypocrite.

You sure? You agreed with Srecko here that Chloe and Deborah led a church when the Bible says otherwise. If the Bible does not convey such and you teach it as a truth, that in of itself makes you a hypocrite.

This also goes for all such pertaining to the New Covenant concerning God's people. Aside from that, you attested that God had used Satan to help his people, when the Bible says otherwise, for God would not seek Satan's help to rescue his people, the very people of whom Jesus would come from in regards for God's Promise to be set in motion.

If you proclaim such, by definition, you are a hypocrite. The fact that you call yourself a chosen one and spew such horrendous silliness, from time to time, blusters the fact that you are one, and it is not me or anyone on this forum who sees this, even outside of the form this is seen, to the point others have branded you as a fool, to which I did quote some who had said this in one of the threads regarding inspiration.

On 8/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

It very well could be you.  

Then show me.

Am I a hypocrite for accepting what the Bible says concerning the Covenant? Am I one for believing when Hezekiah prayed to God, that God saved not just him, but the people out of the hands of vile enemies?

I invite you show me and everyone else of how I am a hypocrite - which I will doubt, because you are extremely deluded and depraved and will evidently remain in silence when asked such things.

As in sensitive, for I recall you made the claim of me being misogynistic, simply for using a quote that had the "W" in women lower cased.....

If you get riled up from stuff like that, you cannot possibly be a preacher in the house of Christ.

That being said, I even told you before, you can do better, so much better, but you continue to play with the silly puddy of falsehood and conspiracy. No one is knocking the fact that you do not agree with JWs on some things, but to speak falsehood is another story.

And I always see Screko is always fond of you despite the fact both of you dwell in error, perhaps you agree with him regarding many things that do not make sense and the fact he himself defile Bible context, like you.

All the while the DNC is very quite own their own errors concerning the whole Russia thing after the Muller report. But people are saying despite all this Donald "Orange Man" Trump somehow was given a win.

And as a young boy I always thought glue was useless. I was way too quick to underestimate.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. @Indiana 

Excommunication was strong, firm and strict concerning the early church - a cut off from the church community. There were notable figures who had been kicked out of the church until the day falsehood evidently bombarded the church later on (beyond first century). More so, even in the days of Israel, people were cut off from the camp.

Also I suggest you two take a read of this: http://shamelesspopery.com/biblical-excommunication/

There are several forms of Excommunication, however only ONE is true, and only ONE is practiced by those who understand it.

@TrueTomHarley Majority of Christians already know that God's Day, Armageddon will be the day that God will bring ruin to the wicked, and that both the meek and the righteous will be the only ones to survive the day of God's anger. Witness should know this because there was an image and a few verses that was conveyed by Witness that further proves such point.

Such as

• Revelation 19:15 - From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
• 2 Thessalonians 2:8 - And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

Some people ignore the fact of what God can do even limit him, as is with his Son, Jesus, watering down his role as a King and what Kings will do to defend their people. But the Bible tells us the truth in the matter, and the 2 above are simply just 2 verses as examples, with references and context of certain passages giving further information.

That being said, Witness liked using Albert Barnes before, perhaps he is among the favorites, but I now doubt Barnes own words in which I agree with, does not sit well with Witness (Look at comm. for verse 8 - https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/2-thessalonians-2.html), hence the claim that concerning God's Day is something that JWs only believe, when the reality this is a core believe of True Christianity.

But it baffles me that people think otherwise of God's Day. The slander against God in regards to afterlife/immortal souls and hellfire is one thing, hiding the fact of what God is actually going to do, is another thing.

Granted this thread is in regards to Lawlessness, those of such are the ones who will witness God's anger, unless they work towards repentance, seeking truth, seeking God and his Son. Despite their wickedness, by means of Jesus' sacrifice, people actually have a GOLDEN CHANCE to change their ways before Jesus returns, and God allow them time to change.

For man cannot forgive another man for great sin even if he or she repents, but God recognizes those who repents granted imperfect man, forgiveness takes time. King Manasseh is an example, as is with King David.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:31 AM, Witness said:

The phrase “Jehovah’s people” that SM appears to support, does not include him as one of “Jehovah’s people”, obviously.   Where does that leave anyone who appears to support “Jehovah’s people”? 

It isn't about support. It is about not taking slander as a truth, and I told you many times, I take issues with lies, slander and conspiracy, and as a truther, I speak against such. This also goes concerning of the Bible of which you commit to slander in majority of your claims.

And this goes for everything.

To paraphrase my own professor, there are many denominations, there are many beliefs. People can agree on some things and disagree on other things, and majority of those who disagree are the ones who speak lies without understanding of the other group is coming from.

There are those who do not have to agree with faith groups, this includes JWs, but they will not accept lies about such groups and profess it as a truth, for not too long ago, hence my only issue concerning you is you start at a base and sparkle lies, and you also twist and mix Scripture either to push the lie and or push an untruth about the Bible itself. Not to mention even due to typo errors you even make ill claims of which you cannot prove.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:31 AM, Witness said:

 I doubt if SM would support that belief, but it is the general consensus of JWs. 

Actually the believe of God passing Judgment is of core Christian beliefs, even before the days of the JWs, this was the core, this is what Christians believed before the false teachings ended up entering the church with the teachings of immortal soul, new agism, hellfire, etc, for such believes are the core beliefs of mainstream Christianity and not True Christianity. God, according to the Bible, as wiped out the wicked, examples such as the bad ones of Noah's Day, what happened at Sodom and Gomorrah, Korah and his Household, the cursed people, Ba'al worshipers, The Egyptians, etc. In every instance, God done so to protect HIS people, of which is only begotten Son would come from, eventually grow older, preach the gospel, serving God's Purpose and Will to the day of his death and resurrection, and evidently to the day he will return to deal with God's enemies, for Jesus is the one to take up the sword.

God's original promise is and always will be a strong one, in his dealings with mankind on earth, and his original promise continues through Jesus and it will continue to the point when Jesus returns, to the end of Jesus' millennial reign and to the end of Judgement itself.

That being said, other than that you still mix verses even now. Also it is jarring to the eyes for you to use the term "Firstfruits" granted of what you conveyed in your other thread.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:11 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

.... this means that it is not problem if you are not "inspired"?  Because you are "spirit led"???  :))) What is this?

There is no problem in this regard, granted that the early church congregation members heeded Jesus’ command, and they were preachers of the gospel and spoke of what God’s Kingdom will provide and that Jesus will soon return.

Also if you bothered to check the link the term “Spirit Led’ is explained, as I had addressed this to you 5 times before, so to say what it is or what it means when more than 5 times this has been addressed shows the you ignore a lot of what is said. You called yourself an honest reader, so there, we know this was all a lie engineered by your own hands.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:11 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

All this what you described looks like this, to me:

top level        1) Inspired

middle level  2) spirit led

lower level    3) uninspired

lowest level  4) all other

 What are you trying to prove by means of this?

On 7/31/2019 at 11:11 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Ones again. Give me 1 or 2 Bible verses where is stated in clear and simple words to understand:

A) Paul is inspired

B) Paul is infallible

Check 1 Corinthians 14:18 and 2 Corinthians 12:1-7. I even quoted this to you before, which proves you do not bother to read.

I can even quote myself from this same thread:

On 7/31/2019 at 7:25 AM, Space Merchant said:

Have you read into the miraculous gifts of what Paul conveyed? An example would be him having visions, and or speaking in tongues.
Apostle Paul was given visions by means of the Lord (read 2 Corinthians 12, specifically the first 7 verses), both you and Witness should know this because you have both quoted from this chapter before, I do not see how you missed that - evidently purposely as both of you not uttered such here. More so, the outline title even reads Visions and revelations of the Lord [Paul's Visions and His Thorn]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+12%3A1-7&version=ESV

and aside from that it is said to be the history of the Book of Acts is full of such visions (other examples concerning visions - Acts 9:4-6; Acts 16:9; Acts 18:9; Acts 22:18; Acts 23:11; Acts 27:23).

and

On 7/31/2019 at 7:25 AM, Space Merchant said:

Regarding Paul 1 Corinthians 14:18 and 2 Corinthians 12:1-7 - check all marginal references to. Also check the links to the other 2 threads whereas such had already been addressed to you, to Witness and to Butler.

I suggest you read, there is a link to Biblegateway, that could not have been easily amissed, but you choose to miss it purposely. Biblehub also conveys such.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:26 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

GROUP:

 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/group

a number of people or things that are put together or considered as a unit:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship

CLASS:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/class

to consider someone or something to belong to a particular groupbecause of their qualities

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/class

a group of persons or things having characteristics in common:

But non of this draws any information of what you conveyed concerning class and or group in regards to both the inspired and or not inspired.

This is God's Order all over again in which you do not agree with Apostle Paul.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:53 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

In Trinity topic you used such accusations, this are quotes of yours (addressed to me):

Ok let's see it then.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:53 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

1)  Your own claims are forfeit because there were merely lies, more so, satanic lies ...

Because you did used Satanic lies. You even went as far as to say you did not say something and I linked your own words, after this you kept quite about it.

You also made claims that were proven to be untrue, granted literal stones and a donkey (animal) cannot preach the gospel about the Christ, more so, you instated that silly claim when my answer was to Rook, not you, but then when you were put to the test, you cannot answer what you said.

That being said, next time you say "According to the Bible" make sure the message actually conveys it, otherwise you are in direct violation of God's own Law found in Deut. 4:2 and your spirit has been tested to be quite a foul one.

Slander is ALWAYS the tool of the loser.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:53 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

2)  For he is a Satanic hypocrite to the highest degree in this sense.

Because that statement is true concerning you. And it is not about donkeys, it goes back to what you addressed about people changing their sex, what you called God's servants, pushing a story as slander, making claim that a Prophetess owns a church and that a peacekeeper also own a church (in which both you and Witness has been proven wrong), the lack of knowing what a 501 is, and the list goes on.

And every time you were called to question, you keep silent and or attempt to shift the focus elsewhere.

Therefore, you do speak Satanic lies, and granted that 1 John 4:1 has been used, it can be said you are a Satanic Hypocrite.

Therefore, all that can be said to you in this regard, is for you to repent.

That being said, you can't defend Witness' "Satanic Influence" Claim because there was no evidence to that claim at all, as is with saying God literally gave order and or had help from his Adversary - which in of itself is also a Satanic lie.

On 7/31/2019 at 11:53 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Something is wrong with your mirror !  :))

Then by all means - prove it. I can easily link to what I can address as lies concerning you, and how it can be pointed out you are a Satanic Hypocrite who believes stone walls and or stones on the ground can somehow convey gospel truth about Jesus.

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

As you get older, it's not so much about being "inspired", or "infallible" ... it's more about being uncomfortable, and uninsurable.

Although we are not inspired and or infallible, even while old we can still maintain our wisdom and can spread our knowledge to others as is with the young. The passing on of wisdom if you will. There is some education that the parents teach which is done at the home, something of which the schools and or clubs cannot teach.

That is why while one is young, do what they just now before they get older.

That being said, there is a selected who knows what to do in terms of longevity of life concerning the body, therefore, as they age and get older, they are less effected compared to those in common society. But that is in the domain of health and eating, for right now the focus here is concerning Paul, the early church, lawlessness and inspiration.

@TrueTomHarley The problem with both Witness and Srecko is such has been pointed out to them before with biblical evidence as shown in the link to 2 threads I commented on a while ago. The both of them do not fully understand Apostle Paul either as evidence shown in another thread concerning Religious Office and God's Order of things as linked below:

That being said, granted of what the Bible says in regards to miraculous gifts concerning those who are both inspired and infallible, that information is basic and elementary and for anyone to had missed that and or completely ignored it prompts a call into question if they actually read their Bible, more so, take in context (for Srecko stressed context before) and conveying the message.

If context is given, they both will flip their lips. If context is paraphrased with a brief response, they say there is no back up to said response despite the fact it had been addressed well over 5 times to both of them.

But back to the topic at hand, what is mentioned about Apostle Paul is true, as is with all prophets of God who had the gifts, which included abilities such as visions, whereas those after them, after the Apostles do not have such gifts, instead convey the good news gospel and the Messianic Age of the Christ whereas the spirit allows such ones to take up the commission to spread the gospel truths.

As is done in the 1st century and onward to now.

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And this is answer? :))

Yes. Because it is a direct and yet brief response to what you asked.

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Extraordinary ! Do you want to tell here how (Paul was both inspired and infallible) means:

1) He became infallible because he was accept Christianity  

2) He was infallible because he was inspired 24/7

3) He was inspired because he became infallible

Perhaps due to gifts, the ability to go into trance induced visions, the ability to speak in tongues, etc.

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

or Paul was came down from Heaven like Jesus and that is reason for his infallibleness :))

lol what? Paul did not come down from heaven... Paul became an Apostle, and he became a Christian. We clearly see that in the Bible that Paul was indeed both inspired and infallible due to the fact of what we read in for instance 2 Corinthians 12 and elsewhere concerning evidence of miraculous gifts expressed by those who are both inspired and infallible, more so, Paul wrote more an anyone else as well.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And of course, you offer NO SINGLE VERSE

I had, several times to you (hence both linked threads addressing you and addressing Witness), I merely paraphrased what I had said, and linked where I had addressed and explained such to you.
But you do not care about verses because we can see what happen after I spoke in regards to those inspired and those who are not.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Paul was INSPIRED or Paul was INFALLIBLE. !!!!!

Yes he was. Yes indeed - which is correct.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Maybe such verses exist, i don't know.

Have you read into the miraculous gifts of what Paul conveyed? An example would be him having visions, and or speaking in tongues.
Apostle Paul was given visions by means of the Lord (read 2 Corinthians 12, specifically the first 7 verses), both you and Witness should know this because you have both quoted from this chapter before, I do not see how you missed that - evidently purposely as both of you not uttered such here. More so, the outline title even reads Visions and revelations of the Lord [Paul's Visions and His Thorn]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+12%3A1-7&version=ESV

and aside from that it is said to be the history of the Book of Acts is full of such visions (other examples concerning visions - Acts 9:4-6; Acts 16:9; Acts 18:9; Acts 22:18; Acts 23:11; Acts 27:23).

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But you prove nothing - NO BIBLE VERSES - ONLY Practically regarding what the Bible says, which is the proof right there.

That is because the Bible holds truth to such elementary knowledge and it had been addressed to you well over 4 times, only this time I choose to link my response in full. Especially in regards to Apostle Paul, of which a whole lot of people seem to get wrong in what he says, even both you and Witness felt short of this... Remember, Biblical Facts.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Later you just made DESCRIPTION about some names in scriptures. And put those names in TWO GROUPS, Inspired and Uninspired Christians. 

You said 2 classes and you tagged on the addition of roles. The line between the inspired and the not inspired is evident, in short, one can have visions, the other cannot.

So either groups and or classes..... Make up your mind.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

academic

Academic? I am not speaking of religious studies at all only the Bible's message in regards to the inspired and not inspired, so what was the point of bringing this up? The focus here is Elementary Knowledge in regards to basic hermenutics of what the Bible conveys, nothing more; nothing less.

But that is quite the joke, granted you think education of religion has something to do with what is proclaimed from God's Word.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

without any Bible verse that supports your opinions. And as result of this statement you made: 

That because I mentioned this to you several times already, and I simply linked my older response with verses to back up what I had said. You and Witness also made response before only for both of you to be corrected, nonetheless.

Also the statement I made is actually true. The ability to have visions and the like died with the last of the Apostles, which is evident because students of the Apostles had no such ability and no one has up until now.

16 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

you are not "inspired" ... and you are not "infallible" ! 

And what is the reasoning behind this? Obviously I am not, neither you, or anyone here (Tom, Billy, JWI, Rook, etc). None of us, that is - if you were alive around Paul and John's time, clearly not.

No one is inspired and or infallible, this goes for all persons granted that after the apostles died, no other person had ever been inspired and or infallible.
The irony is you completely shot out the window of Christians, spirit led ones, who proclaim the message about the news and the Christ. Although they are not inspired/infallible, they still kept the churches in union and continued to convey the truth - back then to present day.

That being said, any who makes the claim of inspiration and or being infallible in this day and age, 100% can have their spirit put to the test, and can easily be exposed to be a false prophet and or teacher, an example would be such as those who believe they see Hell and people there, that is a dead giveaway of a false teacher, one who claimed to be inspired when we know by means of the Bible, such abilities were for and only expressed by earlier prophets and Apostles of God.

14 hours ago, Witness said:

He must have the ability to read each heart, just as the Father and Christ do.

Clearly I do not, therefore unlike you, I do not call a people with the accusation of being under demonic influence despite the fact they are deemed strangers, more so, granted that no one is inspired or infallible.

A nice try, but weak false accusation at most.

14 hours ago, Witness said:

Why would he need scriptures? 

I always use Scripture and always will. that is why I linked my full response, that is, if you bothered to check. Because if I repeat myself not, people will end up dwelling in their foolishness and come to claim that it is too much for them to take in.

That being said, I suggest you check the link because the response of inspiration was directed to both of you in past discussions.
Other than that, in regards to Inspiration, that is pure elementary knowledge, therefore, I, unknown to the both of you, paraphrased and or alluded to a verse and or passage. For Paul's inspiration should have been seen by the both of you, but we already know that not everything regarding Paul both of you agree with.

Anyways, both links in regards to inspiration had been addressed, perhaps take the time to look at what is conveyed with biblical evidence that support what is said.

You of ALL people should know that no man or woman since the days of the Apostle can have visions, clearly - this small shred of information had been amissed by you as well despite the fact you and Srecko alluded to such a while ago. The irony.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But @Space Merchant  is excluded from your feelings ? :))) 

I care for more factual information rather than feelings in this regards to the subject of inspiration as is with lawlessness.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

SM offered in his "revelation" ?

And you show us anywhere of which I some how made a Revelation? This is the donkey all over again - for you make a claim, but do not attest to and or give answer or evidence to said claim.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Would you be so kind and offer Bible verses on SM claims?

Regarding Paul 1 Corinthians 14:18 and 2 Corinthians 12:1-7 - check all marginal references to. Also check the links to the other 2 threads whereas such had already been addressed to you, to Witness and to Butler.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Perhaps he is right, but again, he offered no verses that give some possibility to think of "inspired and uninspired" Christians in 1 century.

And yet both threads addressed such. The real question is have you taken the time to actually look at my response, of which had been addressed literally over 6 times concerning you and the other two.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And especially about INFALLIBLE followers of Jesus. :)) SM speaking about Paul as Infallible : ))) Who will be next??

We can clearly see in the Bible and make the distinction of who had such gifts in regards to prophesying by means of trance filled visions. That alone is an indicator of who is actually inspired and infallible.

That being said, you stressed context before, I ask again as to how you missed this?

Probably those who follow celebrities. I do have adversaries, who are up there when it comes to the world of independent media and other things. One of them being this woman, Yvette Felarca. I do not follow such ones, but I do speak against them.

In short, I do not like those who influence violence and or commit to it to others, let alone inciting and infighting, preying and or making victims of unexpected ones of whom they deem opponents or enemies of an ill ridden cause.

On 7/19/2019 at 11:31 PM, Bubba Johnson Jr said:

don't put any food in your mouth

Or that lol. But then you will be putting yourself in an extreme catabolic state.

After the whole Muller Report situation, no one seems to set their eyes on the DNC itself. But there are always those in play who wanted to push forth anything regarding Hilary and put Bernie at the edge. All in all, political theater, and nothing more. Also it seems way too many people still run Windows 7 OS.... The question is why? The teenager up the street can easily exploit Windows 7, therefore, not being up to date puts you at fault and at the same time one simply engineered their own demise by becoming victim in this sense.

For a second, I thought you were praising the death of someone. Then I looked further.

Among all things, regardless of what anyone says, the Bible holds true to word of what will happen to the wicked. And it is going to be far worse of what we read of things in the Hebrew Old Testament.