Space Merchant

2 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Again, this had nothing to do with her. The question was about Equifax. You said you not only disagree [with what she was saying about Equifax, I assumed] and that you also didn't like her.

My original response was in no connection with Equifax, more so, of her history and how convoluted she can be and or confusing with what action she takes, granted she is a Statist.

As for Equifax however in regards to the topic just hours after her tweet she took back what she said. The tweet in question is the one above in regards to those who had fallen victim with the whole Equifax ordeal due to the 2017 data leak, and she rode that claim of which she brought up only to apologize later on. Only $31 mil has been set for payment, the more people who moves in to claim, the less others will get until there is nothing left, so essentially it isn't free money for all. In addition to that, her update in regards to credit is odd as well. That bar for $125 is not static either

That being said, it is extremely difficult to trust Ms.Cortez or a Statist for that matter, granted of what we had seen so far.

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

What evidences and proofs you have to offer us for such claim?

Practically regarding what the Bible says, which is the proof right there.

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

By which/what standards and methods you came to conclusion who was and who wasn't "inspired"?

In regard to what I had addressed about prophets who are inspired, and prophets not inspired.

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

What Paul is and have done to be called "inspired"?

Apostle Paul was inspired and infallible, just as Agabus, Jesus, John, etc. Paul, like the rest, was one through whom divine will as well as purpose was made known, for Paul, had the rest were proclaimers and or messengers who were inspired. Paul had the gift of prophesying all while being inspired and infallible, proving he had the holy spirit whereas others, also inspired and infallible, at the ability to commit to miraculous and powerful works, i.e. Moses, Elijah and or Elisha. As is shown in the Bible, we know that Paul was both inspired and infallible based on what we can pull from his history and what we read about him in the Greek New Testament.

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

.... and what Clement, Chloe and Epaphras are not and not done that you put them in group of "uninspired" Christians?

All of them are faithful servants of God, and were good Christians, but they were not inspired, and they were not infallible. Evident to this is due to unfounded information of such in the Bible whereas Chole was mentioned only once in the Bible, she was a peacekeeper, and was among her families household, as is being a member of the church of Corinth (as pointed out last time, in regards to you and Witness, she did not lead the church of Corinth, but sought the aid of Paul concerning the church, hence 1 Corinthians being written by Paul and sent to the Church of Corinth). Epaphras, is a friend of Paul and a fellow believer in the Christ, and he resides and or does his work in the Church of Colossae as is with preaching the gospel to them, he too received Paul's help and by means of this help, it pushed him to give aid to those in Laodicea and Hierapolis. Epaphras was also the one to have  Epaphras went to Rome in order to bring forth words of up-build and encourage to the Church of the Colossians and he remained there for a time while Paul wrote his Epistle (Letter) to the Colossae Church. Clement of Rome, similar situation, but his focus was Philippi - both Clement and Epaphras were mentioned by Paul in the Bible [Clement 1 time, Epaphras 3 times, as mentioned already, Chloe was mentioned 1 time].

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Question come for our time. Who are "inspired" and who are "uninspired" Christians TODAY?

Christians are not inspired and are not infallible. Despite this, they are like prophets, although they do not have the ability to have visions and or have some divine action like some inspired prophets of old, they proclaim the message of the good new gospel (just like Clement and Epaphras) and they are spirit led ones in regards to preaching the good news gospel, as is with the Messianic Age.

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Give us some names or tell us, where we can find this individuals in places we live today?

There is no Christian who is inspired today, something of which I told you several times in the past discussions.

 

 

 

On 7/27/2019 at 8:05 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Another question. You separate Christians in TWO CLASSES. What is the role of each one class ?

No. There are no two classes of Christians, and such a notion is absurd. There is only one church and her teachings are one, of which all in union with the Christ adhere to.

Also, the last Apostle to die was possibly John, who was said to have lived to the near end of the 1st Century. He received the visions as read in Revelations while on Patmos, which he transcribed in the Greek New Testament. Moreover, Hebrews 1:1-2 indicates that the principal way in which God our Father communicates with people present day is through the Christ by means of the written Word itself, that is inspired by God, not through visions or dreams (hence Christians not being inspired and or infallible). Additionally, the Scripture advises Christians to be on guard against fallen ones, otherwise known as demons, for they are the ones who seek out and that attempt to mislead.

That being said, such abilities that the inspired ones have has been done away with for such gifts were unique to the Apostles. It is even more evident granted going on into the 2^nd Century, we do not see anyone inspired nor read of them, more so, even the students and or disciples of them are not even inspired.

Never thought I'd see the day Battle Royal is in Esports. Never a fan of BR genres, nor am I a fan of Fortnite, do not see the hype, but a lot of kids, even the ones I speak to, some of them like this game apparently. Next thing you know, this kid might face those such as Dr.Disrespect, Pokimane and or Ninja.

That being said, good on him.

On 7/27/2019 at 7:23 AM, JW Insider said:

What do you disagree with?

There is a whole lot I do not like what she has to say, especially when we live in a world where a message can be molded into something to commit acts that pin people against each other and or victim. What @TrueTomHarley mentioned is one of said things. Among all things, AoC is a Statist, among the fold that her and such ones want to help society by means of security and safety by prying off the freedoms people have, as some would say, the giving away of liberties by means of promises that never come and the continuous siphoning of said liberties continues and it never ending and it continues to take and never gives. Once power takes something, it does not give back what is taken. This is concerning the Green New Deal that not a whole lot of people agree with, more so, evening stating that the world would end in 12 years due to climate change with no evidence to back up this claim of hers, which was a willful one and not out of pure mistake. To add on to what Tom said regarding Amazon, it costed 25,000 people employment and such ones affected paint her as the villain.

I not only disagree, but I dislike this woman, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and for good and many reasons as is with members of the Squad.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States of America (which is, as I say myself, unbelievable granted of how much people joked about this guy and laughed at his chances... They gave him the house)

But that's political Theater for you.

 

21 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Sorry, I forgot one of the most important points too. Tom is comparing totally UNINSPIRED MEN therefore leading an uninspired organisation, to the Early Christian organisation which was full of INSPIRED MEN INCLUDING PAUL. 

The early Christian Church consist of inspired and uninspired men. Yes Paul was inspired, however, Clement, Chloe, and Epaphras were not, as is with others, regardless, all of them were faithful servants of the Christ and worship Jesus' God, and wanting to do right in their church of which they reside. More so, men and women of the church congregations, not all of them were inspired either, as imperfect ones, they fall short to sin and falsehood, example would be the whole situation with idols, The Temple of Artemis, those who became apostates within the church and were eventually kicked out.

After the Apostles died, there is only uninspired men, however, such ones are still faithful spirit led Christians of God and followers of Christ, wanting to do right in the church.

22 hours ago, Equivocation said:

lol. The Assyrian King is also mentioned as the Destroyer too. But the thing with him is the Destroyer will/has been destroyed by another Destroyer. 

@Equivocation @BillyTheKid46

The thing is, the Bible, even Isaiah, makes this clear. I see no reason for someone to ignore what the Bible has written. Jesus himself tells us the Scripture cannot be broken, John 10 and his God has stated to not take or add from the Word, Deut. 4:2. I do not see the reason to alter and or change what can clearly be read by any honest reader.

22 hours ago, Equivocation said:

What are the other beliefs that people have about it?

There are those who think the New Covenant is only and soley for those of Israel, others have twisted it into something that only the Tribe of Israel will make up this covenant, i.e. only black people, concerning one group, who considers themselves as Spiritual Israel and that everyone else will be done away with, not to mention the total ignorance on God being impartial with men. Some thing that the New Covenant does not exist and that we all end up going to heaven, while those left on the earth will be left to their own turmoil, they also believe that demons would run rampant and sin will be all over, it gets a little bit to the extreme whereas some, a belief that one person who I had refuted time and time again, a Conspiracy Theorist who says she is Christian, claims that those who are wicked will also gain eternal life, but remain in, as she calls it a zombified state and or simply a zombie; putting emphasis that earth itself would be turned into a living hell, more so, God abandoning something he worked hard on creating. The further down the rabbit hole one goes, the more twisting and changing of what the New Covenant actually is all about. Others, simply present that Jesus' death never brought forth the New Covenant.

In short, the insanity and confusion and the utter ignorance by means of someone being misguided in this sense is tragic, and sad, but what brings forth the action to refute is in regards of those who teach their falsehood to the unwary, those who do not know, and those who seek God and Jesus being easily duped by this teaching.

One of the reasons I do not like interfaith, the Trinity, Mainstream Christendom, Kairos, etc. and I do not like those who brush over or twist all things concerning the holy spirit, Shema Yisrael, the Commission, the New Covenant, and who God is and what he will do, as is with the Christ.

On 7/25/2019 at 9:59 PM, Witness said:

As the New Covenant/promise of life, the Bride, the firstborn of God, brings life to the rest of God’s children when united with her “Husband”. James 1:18; Rev 14:4; 21:2,3,9,10; 22:17 If God calls all His children, “Israel” in the Kingdom, so be it.

As we can see here, you are not just mixing verses, but solely and ONLY focusing on verses regarding the chosen ones, ignoring any verses and or passages that pertains to those who aren't chosen, but still make up God's people. Not too long ago you posted verses from Romans, Galatians, what happen here?

Also this time around you are silent on Galatians 3 whereas Paul mentions those being in union with the Christ, ironically enough, you put heavy emphasis elsewhere in an attempt to destroy God's Order of this with your doctrine.

On 7/25/2019 at 9:59 PM, Witness said:

This is the fulfilled New Covenant as the Bride, “coming down from heaven” Rev 21:1-4 

Well of course. The New Creation does consist of both the chosen ones and those of God's people who will inherit the earth and have eternal life.

It is an error on your part to even cite this verse, granted, this speaks of both groups that make up God's people, and not solely the chosen ones who will reside with the Christ. We know this because marginal references to that verse

Such as

Ezekiel 37:27 - My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

(of course one of several dozen verses)

For the context of Scripture tells us that  all things are anew, the new heavens and the new earth, that make up the new creation concerning the Christ, El Shaddai, God himself, will reside with those who worship, him, who also puts faith in him, love him, a relationship that is like that of having one with your Father, God. For God will be there and always be with his children, hence what he has provided, his Kingdom, with a chosen King, and by means of said Kingdom, the plague of death and outcry will be no more, as is with all things that causes us of mankind pain.

That being said, I suggest you read the verses again, for it does not solely speak of the Bride, for we know what the Bride's position is, perhaps take into account of those who are not chosen of which death will not cause them suffering.

M. Henry pointed out that he presence of God with his people in heaven, will not be interrupt as it is on earth, he will dwell with them continually.

Aside from that, you claimed to be one of the chosen ones, or anointed ones. Despite this claim, you as a chosen one, failed to see the the prophetic vision of Revelation 21:1-4 that yields the promise concerning the new creation, it does not consist of only the bride, granted that in this small passage it does speak of the new earth bring of this new creation. It concerns mankind as well, for the chosen ones, eternal life is given to those in the spiritual house who have suffered - mankind, for they shall receive the hope of what the Christ spoke of concerning life, living forever, being restored and live as an earthly society, a society of God's people, his children.

On 7/25/2019 at 9:59 PM, Witness said:

 Another point is, you claim that there is no biblical and or scriptural support concerning the New Covenant,

But this point has been easily shattered by means of what had already been addressed, for I will quote it here because you purposely ignored it and stated I do not believe in something that I have preached and am very vocal about. Like Jesus, I uphold this, as is church has done, as I do with Shema Yisrael.

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In the Old Testament, God had foretold that the Old Covenant, otherwise as the Sinaic Law covenant would be replaced with another, the New Covenant. The New Covenant is a biblical interpretation originally derived from a phrase in the Book of Jeremiah. iI refers to It is often thought of as an eschatological age, otherwise known as the Messianic Age or The World to Come by some, in addition, it is related to what we already know about God's Kingdom.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, which reads:

The New Covenant

[31] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. [33] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

The Old Covenant's (Sym. Haggar; bounded woman) mediator between God and Natural Israel is the Son of Amram, Moses. In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the Isrealites. And around this time people were validated by animal sacrifices and what was to be followed was written on stone tablets.

The New Covenant's (Sym. Sarah; free woman) mediator between God and Spiritual Israel is the only begotten son of the true God, child to Mary and Joseph, Jesus (Imanuel). In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the both Jews and Gentiles. And around this time people were validated by Jesus giving his life for mankind (Jesus' Sacrifice) and what was to be followed was written within our hearts.

The difference is that in the New Covenant we are to follow and adhere the Foremost Commandment and all that hangs from it, as what Jesus said to those who asked him, such was held to a high importance to him, hence what I always reference, Shema Yisrael.

We also know that Jesus spoke with his disciples regarding the New Covenant.

As we see below:

Luke 22:20 - And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood

(ref. Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24)

For an honest Christian and Bible reader would point out that even the Christ himself has stated as is mentioned above, that he [Jesus] plainly said the New Covenant involved His blood being shed (Jesus referred to a New Covenant, which is an allusion to Jeremiah 31:31 as seen above).

The New Covenant immediately came into effect after Jesus' death and just days later we see what has taken place at Pentecost, read Acts 2, as is what can be read in Galatians and or Romans, etc, for the New Covenant allowed not just Jews, but Gentiles to be in the church of the Christ, and all of them, who uphold the teachings and believe and worship in God and accept the word of the prophet he sent, of whom he made Christ, Jesus, all these people are in union with the Christ, man or woman, rich or poor, etc and to this day, the New Covenant is in effect, hence why there is a huge importance in the good news gospel and the Messianic Age of which must be professed - for I believe you claimed to be of the chosen ones, why is it you say there is no support when the Bible speaks the truth itself? Again, be focused on the Bible.

For True Christians who are in union with the Christ uphold and know that and believe that Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and that the Blood of Christ shed at his crucifixion is the required blood of the covenant. The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Jesus Christ, and within this agreement, it includes all who are united with Jesus Christ, or as the Bible says, all those who are in [union with] Christ.

The Covenant that is by means of Jesus' blood is mentioned time and time again, there is no reason to brush off what Spiritual Israel entails, for all of Spiritual Israel are of the Spiritual House, not solely the chosen ones.

• 1 Corinthians 11:25 - In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
• 2 Corinthians 3:1 - Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you?
• 2 Corinthians 3:6 - who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
• Hebrews 8:8 - For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
• Hebrews 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
• Hebrews 9:15 - Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
• Hebrews 12:24 - and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

That being said, you mentioned Galatians before, do you not consider your brothers and sisters in Christ as the heirs who are also of the house, all in union with the Christ despite not being of the chosen ones, the firstfruits?

Do not ignore those in union with the Christ.... The very reasons I questioned you earlier in my comment on this thread.

Perhaps next time if you make the claim that there is no Scriptural Support for something, perhaps check the Bible to see if it is actually not there.

Granted you like to link Bible Gateway, I will do the same so you can see the passage and the references line up to exactly what I have been conveying. Therefore, it makes you a hypocrite to say such a thing when it is there before you.

• https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+31%3A31-34&version=ESV
• https://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/conway/the_new_covenant.htm

 

On 7/25/2019 at 9:59 PM, Witness said:

I am done with your rambling and lies.  

To say something is a like and yet not give evidence to said claim only shows us here you have played yourself in this sense.

But I do invite you to try your resolve at proving what I am saying is a lie when there is ample Biblical Evidence before you, so I say to thee, come then, so called chosen one, come have your resolution.

That being said, the leaders of Judah also thought Prophet Isaiah was rambling about, but unknown to them, Prophet Isaiah speaks the truth, although being repetitive.

So then, point out to anything that I said that was a lie, otherwise, it can easily be seen, and 1 John 4:1 being in application, that you spun your own wheels of deceit, especially when our older discussion can easily be linked that is identical to this which shows us you contradict yourself and express nothing more that strong-willed confusion.

19 hours ago, Witness said:

To believe Jesus would fulfill that role shows exactly how skillful the Destroyer is, at deception. 

Granted by means of what God has done to the wicked as seen and read in the Old Testament, stemming from the promise of what he will do to repair mankind due to Adam and Eve's sin, what do you think Jesus, who is made King and spoke of to be a might warrior would do to the wicked? The Christ has battled against Satan and his demons in heaven, for he fought with the angels of God against the fallen ones.

So in short, an example, those who commit vile acts of sin, the common things we discuss here such as violence, abuse and world powers committing things that effect those caught in the crossfire, you tell me, if all these people who has done willful sin, all their acts willfully, what would the Christ do to them?

The claim of you watering down Christ' kingship is evident, but here you are open to answer to question of what Jesus will do to those who willfully sin, as is, with demons and Satan himself, you tell us.

That being said, the one who believes literal stones can preach about Jesus, although he agrees with you, he will not chime in at all, for he made his peace with his own ignorance.

Also

19 hours ago, Witness said:

The core doctrine is based on knowing who spiritual "Israel" is, as the Temple of God, and the true Mount Zion.  He doesn't understand this "core" doctrine.  You should.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Eph 20-22; Rev 3:12; Rev 14:1-5

I actually do, hence why I spoke of Jesus' mediatorship, and how his death enabled the New Covenant as is with what took place just days after his death concerning all Christians who are in union with him, and his teachings. You only pull information from verses concerning only the chosen ones and ignore other followers of the Christ, for instance, what Paul has addressed to the church of Corinth, those members he was building up were not among the chosen, but they are of God's people, they are of that same house, those who will soon have eternal life. You yourself had quoted Galatians 3:28-29 many times despite your deluded vision of God's Order in past discussion.

That being said, if you knew the core doctrine concerning the New Covenant, you would not have left out the other faithful servants of the Christ who believe in God. Ironically enough, what you didn't realize I paraphrased some commentary, included the one you favored so much, which reveals you much of what you had said originally.

20 minutes ago, Matthew9969 said:

A debate about proper debating, now that's funny!

The problem is the one who has initiated the debate doesn't know how to conclude to claims by his own word. Until a donkey is seen preaching about the Christ then the claim would be true, however, this information is unfounded, yet claimed.

That being said, this isn't the first time I have been in a debate, and I know legitimate judges for debates, there example puts the fool in his place.

@JW Insider Yes. Spiritual Israel is made up of all of God's people, all under one teaching of the Christ, all in union with Christ, and like him, they too have the fullness of God dwelling in them, and each and every single one of them dwell in the Spiritual House as is with God's Temple, that is, the Christ.

I have my reasons for defending even the minor things of the New Covenant due to how mainstream Christendom has tainted it, and I am not the only one who defends such as well. And there are those who speak wrongly of the Covenant wrongly, and far worse and in this regard, the correction by means of the Bible must be made.

But for someone to not recognize those who are in the same house, it is an insult for those who share in the same teachings that stem from Christ, Jesus.

The fact we no longer require stone tablets or animal sacrifices should be evident.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

our BOTH STATEMENTS ARE the TRUTH, IN SEPARATE CONTEXT ! :))))))))

Not really, because there is no Biblical Evidence of Ba'laam's Donkey preaching any gospel of any sort. Therefore my statement is right, and the response you made to my statement was incorrect.

 

EDIT: of course that is all you can do, laugh, and consist to appeals of motive, something that a true stupid one will do. For all unwise ones who willfully speak in their own ignorance are stupid persons and nothing more. In short, you've played yourself. That being said, I enjoy a clown making a fool of himself all the more because it shows me how little said clown knows Scripture.

2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You mean this? :)))))

Again, please go to  https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/preach

... dictionary said what are the meanings of word PREACH. 

(especially of a priest or minister in a church) to give a religious speech:

Did Ba'laam's donkey preach the gospel of the Christ? The answer would be No.

Therefore this statement I made is true:

On 7/9/2019 at 5:54 PM, Space Merchant said:

Animals cannot preach the gospel, understand and learn about God let alone teach it.

So can you please answer your claims because now we see cowardice upon you of your own words.

@Srecko Sostar I stated animals cannot preach the gospel, and yet you said they did, according to the Bible.

Stop running from your claims and answer them lol.

Also, the biblical definition in respects to the Strong's gives us the answer: https://biblehub.com/greek/2784.htm

Lol, nice try to with the common English Dictionary though, I got a laugh out of that one. Mind you, you ignored the main context it tells you on the front page - that is hilarious.

 

12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Find where and when i made this explicit quotes, word by word. :)))))

Gladly

Concerning what I had said when it came to preaching about the good news gospel and the Christ, this is what you said:

My response that day to Rook: Animals cannot preach the gospel, understand and learn about God let alone teach it.

Highlighted in red is what you pulled and said the following as seen in this link below

 

12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You adding, doing this all the time,

Not really because you did proclaim this and stated that this was according to the Bible, immediately after I had said animals cannot preach the gospel. If you actually felt this way, you should have said this from the start.

12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

my supposedly claiming this and that.

I can see through the assumed alligator tears of which you convey.

12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You are comedian :)) and want to prove something that NOT EXISTING :)))

Keep telling yourself that:

On 7/10/2019 at 1:00 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Balaam's Donkey did, and Stones can preach too, according to Bible.

That being said, please address your claims, for all of them are still unanswered.

When children are taught things, they apply quickly, this is one of many examples.

@Srecko Sostar Appeal to Motive or the Deus ex machina motive will not work anymore. Please answer your own claims for they remain unanswered, as already pointed out. For another time, you started such claims, not me, show respect to your own words by answering them with total honesty.

On 7/19/2019 at 2:14 PM, Anna said:

Trinity and hellfire

And these are the very teachings that is on a strong decline. Falsehood of mainstream Christendom is dying, hence why they have a strong grip on attempting to save themselves. Such falsehood has prompted many to speak against it, I myself, comrades of mine such as the late warrior of Christ, Soulja and Solider of God, Kel, etc.

Among every pocket of society, of man, no matter the race and or sex, background ,etc there are those who willfully sin, those who willfully lie, those who deceive and spread forth deception and a list of other things. Such ones hide among good hard working folk, and these same good folk become pawns and or victim, be it man, woman or child, they are all targets of the wicked ones of lawlessness. And even among God's people, there are those who proclaim they reside in the Temple of God, but preaches another doctrine to befit emotion, to deceive and a list of other things, cherry picking and deviating from God's Word, his Order, his Truth.

All such ones they will be found out and they will pay when they are before the white thrown of God.

• Numbers 32:23 - But if you will not do so, behold, you have sinned against the Lord, and be sure your sin will find you out.

As Christians, true and faithful, who take up the New Covenant that came forth by means of Jesus, to take his command concerning the commission and what promises await us as God's people, it is our job to proclaim the gospel of the Christ and the news itself to the people, and with this information proclaimed to them, by means of their free will, it is for them to decided to on God's side or on the side of lawlessness.

As is said by many of us - The truth has been given, do what you will with it.

Because at the end of the day, God places only 2 things before each and everyone one of us.

Life and Death

As to the chose, it is up to the person.

All man is imperfect, and among us there are those who commit brazen and disgusting acts, violence acts, deceptive, etc. But at the same time, there are those out there with good intent, some although misguided, they are good folk who needs the message of which Jesus commanded us to proclaim by means of the Commission.

That being said, you give a tool, a hammer, to a good man so he can build a house, this same tool you give to a bad man he will threaten and kill with it. The hammer is merely a tool, but the intent of man, be it good or bad is visible, and it shows just how far today's society actually is, in a sense, a literal good vs. evil scenario, hero vs. villain sense.

A man who sins or teachings falsey out of willfulness, will only have this to hear from our Lord Jesus,

• Matthew 7:23 -  And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

The Kingdom of God is not for those who willfully go over and or is against God's Law or his Christ.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

SM, I gave you Bible verses. 

But none of the verses you gave lines up with your claims? i.e. a donkey and literal stones found on the ground and on walls preaching about Jesus Christ before the Messiah was even born.

On 7/22/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

But you will not command other people here what to accept and what to not accept about it.

There is no command. It is of what the Bible says is true. Using Appeal to Motive does not work anymore and yet you continue to use it.

On 7/22/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

You will not mastering over people here to play "debate games" by your rules or by "debating rules".

You started the debate, I did not. We can see evidence of you starting said debate when you chimed in 2 days later. We can also see by means of your responses you further pushed yourself into said debate with questions and claims.

Therefore, you allowed the debate to take place, not me, for my corral was with the Trinitarian.

And I do not make up the rules of debate lol, for if that was the case, I would not have linked literal information from an actual Debate Judge.

On 7/22/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

If you feel yourself as "a winner" in "a debate" and as "a winner" over other people comments, and if such Idea in You gives you Permission to Insult....

A debate is won whereas the opponent fears and or cannot answer his own claims let alone address questions, thus putting you at fault here.

Mind you, we use the Bible only, and even the Bible alone you show yourself to be in quite a bit, no, a lot of struggle, on your part.

There is always insult in debate, I had only used lite and cheeky remarks, more so, according to the Bible, it does speak of ignorant people, depraved ones, ans stupid ones. If stupid ones speak in err, someone who knows the truth of the matter can make the refutation, rebuke even, if need be - of which I had done with you. But you had done FAR worse, and one can see that by simply looking you up.

On 7/22/2019 at 10:09 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

........i will not spoil your personal happiness about that :)))  

Personal happiness for speaking the truth about the Bible? Weren't you the guy who said a donkey as been preaching about the coming Messiah?

I call it like it is, it is willful ignorance and stupidity, there has been others who had seen this thread, your comments, and they said the same thing. I do not think any screenshot of what they had to say about you will help you sleep at night.

That being said, you make claims you cannot cash, you only laugh knowing you, casted stones upon yourself.

On 7/22/2019 at 2:23 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

1 Pet 2:5 -  As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men+ but chosen, precious to God,+ ⁵  you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house+ to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices+ acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

this two sort of stones preaching too (offer up)  :))))

But your originally claim and response was of LITERAL stones preaching about Jesus Christ.

Also seeing that you agreed with Witness on the other thread, you do not believe in the truth about the New Covenant either, for both of you were against what it coneys as both of you were against God's Order.

I would not take this from Witness concerning another response you made, therefore, said response makes that belief of yours and abomination.

On 7/22/2019 at 3:24 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

We are on Forum that caries this name:

Jehovah’s Witnesses

 Open Club  ·  365 members

well, it is quite ok that we steer into direction of WT an JWs :))))

And yet this debate was solely about the Bible and only the Bible. You kept going into the direction of the WT and JWs because every time you say something along the lines of err and stupidity, you are always quick to bring them up, and in every single claim of yours there is no evidence to what you had said.

A fallacy upon a fallacy, driven by depravity and stupidity leads one to ruin and utter embarrassment, especially if this is willfulness.

That being said, you have brought up claims by your OWN word, why do you fear to answer them? Let's hear it from you:

NOTE (before you answer): Before we start, let me tell you what a fallacy is. A fallacy is a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument. It also means a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid or faulty reasoning; misleading or unsound argument.

Number 1: Can you point out and quote ANY of my fallacies regarding our debate? As a bonus, I want you to quote the so called "interfaith dialogue" I am speaking. Can you show evidence to this claim?

Number 2: Then show us this evidence regarding the Donkey and the stones preaching the gospel truth, Screko: You said according to the Bible, so surely to you, you may have something to say rather than run away from the very words that you said.

Number 3: So show us your evidence that a Snake was preaching some sort of gospel: You stated that the snake in the Garden of Eden was preaching a gospel, according to the Bible as you said.

The word gospel as defined:

• [1] the age concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.
• [2] one of the first four New Testament books telling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ
• [3] an interpretation of the Christian message

Number 4: You said I suggested whatever it is you are referring to, this so called simplified edition article editions you speak of when all that I said comes merely from an ESV Bible, and my 2 minor sources being Wikipedia, and an English Dictionary (evidence of this is on page 2-4 of regarding our debate), and nothing more. Can you quote anything from me in this debate that I had suggested simplified edition articles as you claim? If not, you must make Satan very proud to add words to someone's mouth. As a man of God, I do not add nor do I take from God's Word, and had been very vocal of Deut. 4:2.

For these points, 4 of them, addressed to you, of which you made claim of, remain unanswered. So it would be wise on your part, the starter of this debate, to answer such that was engineered by your own words.

 

 

 

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Should I spell it out for you? 

You can spell it out all you, want, but all things must be in accordance to what the Bible message conveys.

God never [and never has] allowed Satan to have dealings with King Hezekiah, David, nor did he have Satan have dealings with the Israelites. In Hezekiah’s case, what holds you at fault is the existence of the Assyrians attempt to cover up what happened that day, both written and physical evidence in this regard - thus putting you in err.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

According to you, I am ignorant, foolish and stupid;  very unchristian-like. 

Because you are ignorant. If God says or does something, who are we to go around his Word, let alone take and or add to it, which is against God's Law? We already see an example with Spiritual Israel whereas not only you ignored those of the spiritual house and insist only the chosen ones are of this house, you deliberately stated there is no Bible evidence to what is said, and yet we have everything concerning the New Covenant in the Bible as evidence. In addition to that, you were the one who originally discussed those of the Spiritual House months ago, only this time, you decided to cut out those in union with the Christ and proclaim only the chosen ones make up this fold, which this claim negates what we see at Pentecost and elsewhere.

And no, it is not un-christian to call out the truth in the face of lies. For instance, if someone such as yourself preaches defilement of God's Order, a real Christian would speak in refutation to your false doctrine, with Biblical support to back it up.

Therefore, I see no reason for a follower of the Christ, a man of God to speak up, defending the New Covenant with full force.

That being said, so it is ignorance, willfulness, when the Bible informs you on Spiritual Israel.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Should I call you ignorant, foolish and stupid because you cannot see that I have indeed, told you who the Destroyer is, using the scriptures to prove it?

But you haven’t, you merely see "Destroyer" and say it is Satan without looking into the passage in question. In this sense, you pointed to the idea that God somehow allowed Satan to do whatever concerning Hezekiah and concerning Israel. Why would God’s own adversary, who caused Adam and Eve to disobey Him, somehow help God every single instant, when it is he who is both slanderer and resister?

You haven’t proven anything because I asked you who the destroyer is. The Bible even tells you that the Destroyer in both situations is an Angel of God. If we want to get fancy we can take up 1 Corinthians 10:10, which points back to Israel under temptation, which is a direct mention of Numbers 11:19, 20 and 31-35.

Some other examples,

2 Samuel 24:15 - So the Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from the morning until the appointed time. And there died of the people from Dan to Beersheba 70,000 men.

Note: Due to a King's error, the punishment received due to sin was 3 days of pestilence.

• 1 Chronicles 21:15  - And God sent the angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, but as he was about to destroy it, the Lord saw, and he relented from the calamity. And he said to the angel who was working destruction, “It is enough; now stay your hand.” And the angel of the Lord was standing by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Note: This angel was sent by God, and it was seen by David according to verse 1 Chronicles 21:16, for it stood between the earth and the heaven, with a drawn sword in his hand stretched out against Jerusalem.

• 2 Kings 19:35 - And that night the angel of the Lord went out and struck down 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians. And when people arose early in the morning, behold, these were all dead bodies.

Note: An angel kills 185,000 men of King Sennacherib's Assyrian army, thereby saving King Hezekiah and Jerusalem.

Even the references point to the truth in this regard:

• 2 Chronicles 32:21 - And the Lord sent an angel, who cut off all the mighty warriors and commanders and officers in the camp of the king of Assyria. So he returned with shame of face to his own land. And when he came into the house of his god, some of his own sons struck him down there with the sword.
• Isaiah 31:8 - “And the Assyrian shall fall by a sword, not of man; and a sword, not of man, shall devour him; and he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall be put to forced labor.

So your claim is incorrect, for the only Destroyer here is an angel who was sent (Shaliach Principle; of which they are ALWAYS UNDER), in Hezekiah's case, one Destroyer was the Assyrian Army, the other, being the angel sent by God, as Isaiah 33:1 points out for directly speaking about Assyria.

That being said, in none of these verses, does it point out, that this angel was Satan, for only you are making these claims.

More so, you haven't answered the question from out last discussion, as how can you give a  prisoner the key to his own cell?

As far as anyone knows, Satan the Devil is not under Shaliach Principle, he is against God, and he does not serve God. Even when Jesus told him that it is only to God sacred service must be rendered, we already can read of how that turned out. Matthew 4: 10 and Luke 4:8 (God's Law Exo. 20:3, Deut. 5:9, Deut. 6:13 [Shema], Deut. 10:20)

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Those who are spiritual "Israel" are outlined in scripture:

We already know who Spiritual Israel is. The problem is, you purposefully ignore that Spiritual Israel consist of all of God’s people, not solely and only the chosen ones as you proclaim, which puts your past statements into contradiction concerning the Spiritual House, that of Spiritual Jerusalem.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Gal.6:15,16:  "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God."

And you have proven my point, look at the reference.

The new creation belongs to all, not only the chosen ones as you claim. As is with God's Israel, is for all, those on earth and those who are chosen. Therefore, this verse only shows you to be incorrect from your main response concerning Spiritual Israel.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Rom 2:28,29:   "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God."

Exactly, and correct. But granted your main response, you do not truly agree with this verse, if you ignored those who are not chosen, but are still in union with Jesus Christ.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Rom 4:13:   "For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

Exactly. The heirs are both the chosen ones and those who will reside on the earth itself and cultivate it, but again, you stated that only the chosen ones are of Spiritual Israel, ignoring those who are to cultivate the earth, the same people who they themselves have faith in and are in union with Jesus - the reason why your response is put into question.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Gal 3:7: "Therefore know that only those who are of faith of Abraham, are sons of Abraham."

Correct, for we are the heirs, all of us, union with the Christ, all of us, in the Spiritual House, all of us are in the New Covenant.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

John 8:39:   "Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham."

Jesus is speaking to Jews who were under bad influence, and this verse not as relevant to what is at hand, thus the claim of mixing verse of which you have been accused of many many times is evident. Jesus made a point here concerning the whole passage at hand and his talk with the Jews, that his Father is different from their Father. They were unaware of what Jesus met, despite them continuously claiming that their Father is Abraham, a friend of God, more so, since they are literally his descendants, they felt that they are of the same faith Abraham.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Rom 4: 11:  "And Abraham received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also"

And this is where my point stands and there is Biblical support to such in which you had said there is nothing.

Understanding what the Bible conveys about the New Covenant, concerning Abraham, he [Abraham] is the Father not only of his natural and or biological offsprings who were loyal and faithful to God, but rather, of ALL followers and disciples of Jesus Christ – The point in which I conveying with Bible support, the same notion of which you reject, but ignoring those who are in union with Christ and your continuously ignorance on those who are not of the chosen ones, but still followers of Jesus Christ.

In that verse, Apostle Paul points out that Abraham began to show faith before undergoing circumcision, hence what is conveyed in the previous verse, Romans 4:10

How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.

For this reason, this made Abraham the Father of uncircumcised non-Jews, which are obviously referred to as Gentiles, and these Gentiles, who are heirs of the promise according to Galatians, are the same ones who put their  faith in our Christ who is Lord,  Jesus. Therefore, the Church of the Christ is a diversity of Jews and Gentiles, in this regard, in Rome and it is further to the fact that their faith, as well as their obedience prompts them to call Abraham their Father.

• Romans 4:17 - as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.

Which can be traced back to Genesis 17:5 regarding what God had told Abraham, that he will make Abraham a father of many nations. For from this promise was the very reason God had changed the name of his friend, from A’bram (Abram) [אַבְרָם] to Abraham [Heb. אברהם], meaning “Father of many [a Crowd/multitude"], evidence to his name can be seen here in the Strong's: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/87.htm

That being said, we know that Abraham was the Father of Issac, as well as the Father of Ishmael, who he himself fathered 12 chieftains, more so, many would say that Arabs originated with Ishmael.

The promise consists of not solely chosen ones, it consist of all followers of the Christ – again, do not ignore those who are of God’s people, consider them, for they too are of the New Covenant.

Romans 4:16 - That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Those who are "Israel" share the faith of righteous Abraham, receiving the circumcision of the heart, by Jesus Christ.

Exactly, but those of Spiritual consist of all persons in union with the Christ. But you had professed earlier that only the chosen ones are of Spiritual Israel, missing the mark on what the New Covenant is all about.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Col  2:11: "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ".

If you read the passage, you’d realize that those of whom Apostle Paul was message was towards every single person in the church of his fellow friend who is in Christ (Philemon 23). The Letter of Apostle Paul to the Colossians, also called The Epistle of St. Paul the Apostle to the Colossians and it was developed theology of the letter, many believe, indicates that it was composed by Paul in Rome about and or around 60-62 AD. The Greek New Testament writing was addressed to the Christians at Colossae, Asia Minor, whose church congregation was founded by Paul’s colleague, Epaphras (who remained in Rome at the time), who was a minister of high faith and a follower of Jesus Christ, a preacher the good news gospel, acquainted the Colossians with the kindness of God, and the very focus and or foundation of towards establishing the church congregation in Colossae (Colossians 1:4-8).

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

This comes upon a person, through an anointing.  With that circumcision of the heart, God's laws are written upon it. 

Not really, considering the Church of Colossae consisted of all persons, the whole church were not chosen ones of God, pockets of them among the fold were followers of the Christ, and worshipers of God and they themselves were still having some issues, granted the early days of this church.

There is more to it, if you considered the letter in full.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

Heb 8:10:  "This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Which proves my point. God’s people consist of every single person in the Spiritual House, all of whom, who are under the New Covenant.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

1 Pet 2:9,10 - "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy."

Which proves my point even more, as is what we had originally discussed.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

They are the anointed priesthood.  They are "Israel". 

It is not unknown and or alien to anyone that the Priesthood are of the New Covenant as well, likewise to the the meek ones. They too are of Spiritual Israel, as is with God’s people, who make up those who will inherit the earth itself. For if you had forgotten, the chosen ones are not the only ones who uphold faith in Jesus and worship his God. Remember what Paul made mention of, those of the nations who are heirs? Of course not. Read Galatians another time.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

1 Pet 2:5 -  "Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

And the only Temple of God belongs to both, this alone puts your original statement on your other thread concerning the Spiritual House into contradiction, for, you even pointed out that all those in union with the Christ are of this house, which I agreed with, at the same time correcting you are your mixing of verses. And now we see here you go over what you had said originally, which shows you do not fully grasp what this verse conveys.

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

As I said and which you have successfully twisted, the Great Crowd are the anointed, "called, chosen and faithful" remnant - a segment of the total "144,000" who come out of the Tribulation, upholding Truth.

I haven’t twisted for speaking the truth. You yourself had twisted the truth by purposely not acknowledging the fact that the New Covenant consist of ALL of God’s people who have faith in Jesus, but you preach that it is only the chosen ones who are of Spiritual Israel. Therefore, you had twisted the truth, more so, even much we can go back to your other thread to see how much in err you truly are.

Another point is, you claim that there is no biblical and or scriptural support concerning the New Covenant, and yet it is there in the Bible, mentioned in the Old Testament, and mentioned again as well as set in motion in the New Testament, which shows here, you truly do not know 100% what the New Covenant even is, resulting in what I stated to you earlier before you deviated from the question at hand.

Therefore, you claim that you are chosen, but do not recognize the heirs that sit in the same house as you, the same temple? How can you be chosen and have this type of mindset, let alone cherry pick and or twist the very things of God?

That being said, if you really upheld the truth, you would not speak slander and buy into lies only to later come with some excuse, this is concerning all of the discussions with you, more so, another, who also says he is chosen put you to question in an older thread.

After all, you made did speak an untruth concerning the discussion, when you said the following:

On 7/18/2019 at 11:13 PM, Witness said:

Dear Sir, I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself. 

and

On 7/21/2019 at 8:56 PM, Witness said:

So, you are telling me that you do know spiritual "Israel" applies only to the anointed ones, according to the first link provided.  (SM does not believe this) 

But as we can see, I do believe and always will believe what the New Covenant entails, and will always defend it, as seen here before you made such slander

The irony of it all, although you tried put yourself in err regarding Spiritual Israel, you slipped up on your own proclamation on page 1.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 12:00 PM, Witness said:

If you would like to know any more (although you appear to be exceedingly confident in knowing the scriptures backwards and forward;  the invitation is to all)  go here: http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/who-are-144000.html

We do not need links, we solely need the Bible. Also, your link only addresses the chosen ones, the focus here is Spiritual Israel, all of God's people.

That being said, the questions addressed to you, I rather you answer them.

Because if the Bible speaks truth about those in the New Covenant, and you say something different – who is truly at fault here?

For you had already lied by telling the boy I do not believe what the New Covenant conveys, when I had told you what it was all about even before you made that lie, more so, even in the past, I was vocal about the New Covenant, as is with those in it who are doing the Commission. Therefore, it cannot be believed that you are of the chosen ones, and if I had to compare you to someone, Warrior of Christ, who is legitimately one of the chosen ones, he himself, while in life, knew very well what the New Covenant is, and unlike you, he does not ignore his brother and or sister who is in union with the Christ.

But, since you insist... You can address the questions, because they still remain unanswered:

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• That being said, you made the mistake that stating the Bible, and or there is no Scriptural Support for the New Covenant concerning Spiritual Israel. How does your claim add up when there is Scriptural Evidence concerning such?
• Second, you speak of Spiritual Israel, and yet you ignore the heirs. Why only mention the chosen ones, but not God's people also, in which the Kingdom of God is for them also? What is the reason to single them out and ignore that they are of the same Spiritual House? Remember, yous aid it before, that Christians are in union with the Christ...
• Lastly, you claim you never watered down Jesus' Kingship, and yet there are comments from you, even you posting a picture when you questioned Judith. Did you purposely forget what God's original purpose and will concerning mankind was all about, and how his only begotten son fairs into the mix?
• Who was the Destroyer found in verses 13 and 23 of Exodus 12 according to you?

4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

He entrusted the Christian Congregation. Ever heard of Paul, Clement, and a list of others?

Most Trinitarians pretend that such things do not exist, reasons why you never here them speak of those who were in control of the church and held religious office in said church. Apostle Paul speaks of the church, and he even mentioned Clement of Rome, as can be seen even in the Bible.

• Philippians 4:3 -Yes, I ask you also, true companion,help these women, who have labored side by side with me in the gospel together with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

Clement, like Paul, was a faithful Christian, in union with the Christ and his God, and was on Paul's side concerning the good news gospel hence their situation in Phillippi.

2 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

they were going to hell.

Hell is not the lake of fire... Nor does God condone fire torment because he emotionally reacted to it as well as drove it out the land; punished people for it. If you want to slander God with the teachings of demons, I will not allow it and you will easily be refuted again and again, Deserter.

And what he said is not hypocritical because Jesus as commanded the church do continue teaching, this is ever so evident of what can be read in Acts 2, but last I checked, Trinitarians don't like Acts 2 and pretend it does not exist. No wonder the MSC is dying....

3 hours ago, Equivocation said:

I think he believes this to because you can see this in his quote, in fact a lot of Christian's know what the New Covenant even is, not just us Jehovah's Witnesses alone.

Witness knows I believe this, he only says I do not because what I say is indeed true concerning God's people. Witness' absurd claim that Spiritual Israel only consist of the chosen ones is false and there is no Scriptural support whatsoever, granted that God's people consist of ALL persons concerning the Christ.

What puts Witness in Hypocrisy is because in the past, he made these claims, his only err was mixing them and twisting them about, namely Galatians 3:29.

So in a sense, it shows that Witness slanders even in the face of Scripture and still holds claim to be a chosen one.

A chosen one of God does not succumb to ignorance, stupidity and hypocrisy. True they are imperfect, but to stoop this low is jarring.

That being said, I will always believe and uphold what the New Covenant represents. Shema Yisrael, follow the foremost commandments and all things that hang by it, adhere, obverse, apply, teach and preach until the Lord of you and I comes, until the Lord is tasked by the Father, Yahweh, to return a second time to bring forth justice and save the righteous and meek from wicked captivity.

4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

He even quoted Jeremiah too.

Witness does  not have eyes to see because the truth does hurt when it is proclaimed.

4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Also, I don't understand how you think that Jehovah God's own angel is a pawn of Satan especially when you have verses about the Assyrian army.

According to the Bible. God sent an Angel, referred to as an Angel of Death to take out the Assyrian Soldiers. This information is not alien to anyone and to atheist they pretend that this did not happen. God taking action saved Hezekiah and his people from the hands of the Assyrians who were really going to do some damage because of how Hezekiah and company resisted and held firm.

4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

28 By faith he observed the Passover and the splashing of the blood, so that the destroyer might not harm their firstborn.

 

The God of Israel had spoke with both Moses and Aaron, giving them instructions, and from said instruction, to be passed to the Israelites. They were to take a healthy male sheep or goat, to slaughter and take and splash its blood on the doorways, which can be seen here

Exodus 12:3-7

• 3 Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household.
• 4 And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb.
• 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,
• 6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.
• 7 “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.

In Hebrews 11:28, Apostle Paul later wrote of Moses. And going back to Moses once again, Moses knew that  he can trust God and that God was indeed trustworthy in every sense, and he continued to and has built a strong faith in God and his promise, which involved the situation we see playing out regarding the sons of Egypt as read in Exodus 11-12 concerning the angel of whom God sent, the angel of death, otherwise known as the 10th and final plague: Death of firstborn: Ex. 11:1–12:36.

4 hours ago, Witness said:

  (SM does not believe this)

Are you sure about that? 

On 7/19/2019 at 8:27 PM, Space Merchant said:

The Old Covenant's (Sym. Haggar; bounded woman) mediator between God and Natural Israel is the Son of Amram, Moses. In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the Isrealites. And around this time people were validated by animal sacrifices and what was to be followed was written on stone tablets.

SM doesn't believe this, but look down here. Shock right? I know.

The New Covenant's (Sym. Sarah; free woman) mediator between God and Spiritual Israel is the only begotten son of the true God, child to Mary and Joseph, Jesus (Imanuel). In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the both Jews and Gentiles. And around this time people were validated by Jesus giving his life for mankind (Jesus' Sacrifice) and what was to be followed was written within our hearts.

And it is not the first time I mentioned this.

4 hours ago, Witness said:

These include, the "great crowd" also, the anointed remnant to come out of the great tribulation, serving God "day and night" before His Temple.

That is funny because originally you only spoke of the chosen ones and solely them being of Spiritual Israel whereas the Bible tells us it is them as is with those who are in union with the Christ, granted what was stated by me earlier:

On 7/19/2019 at 8:27 PM, Space Merchant said:

For True Christians who are in union with the Christ uphold and know that and believe that Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and that the Blood of Christ shed at his crucifixion is the required blood of the covenant. The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Jesus Christ, and within this agreement, it includes all who are united with Jesus Christ, or as the Bible says, all those who are in [union with] Christ.

The Covenant that is by means of Jesus' blood is mentioned time and time again, there is no reason to brush off what Spiritual Israel entails, for all of Spiritual Israel are of the Spiritual House, not solely the chosen ones.

For a so called chosen one, you sure are ignorant, foolish and quite stupid and contradictory to your own words.

And as always, you mix verses, as well as not understand the hermenutics of what a verse and or passages conveys.

That being said, Satan is indeed the Father of the lie, to which I agree with you on this. The fact you lied concerning me not believing in something I had proclaimed strongly, especially the foremost commandments makes you nothing more than an obvious slanderer, a demonic one at that, for it was mentioned to you and you blindly ignored and attest to a lie that holds no merit.

Very unwise.

 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

It sounds like you may be wondering if Jesus or one of God’s faithful angels was the Angel of Death that killed the Assyrian Soldiers in 2 Kings 19:35

The fact of the matter is God indeed saved King Hezekiah using an angel to take out the Assyrians. Why would Satan want to rescue a faithful servant of God, the same one who prayed to God for help as seen here?

Then Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the Lord, saying...

Pretty sure Satan the Devil was not his Lord, let alone God would not said his own enemy to save his own follower, vice versa, Satan would want to destroy God's people, not rescue them.

Your problem is with the fact that God being capable of taking out his enemies. God even stated in the Bible he is capable of destroying his enemies if need be, as well as rescue his people.

The Assyrians themselves were the very ones to make fun of and even mock God's people and if God did not take action, Hezekiah would have been suffering before death and may end up with the Saul treatment.

I suppose according to you, Satan took out Sodom and Gomorah as well and nearly Nineveh?

4 hours ago, Witness said:

Angel of Death: (Wikipedia)

The angel (malak) is referred to under various terms, including Mashḥit, meaning "destroyer" (pron. mash-heet(h) or -kheet(h)) (Mashchit(h), מַשְׁחִית and Ha-Mashchit(h)/Ha-Mashḥit, הַמַשְׁחִית), "destroying angel" (מַלְאָך הַמַשְׁחִית, malak ha-mashḥit or in the plural מַשְׁחִיתִים, mashchitim/mashchithim/mashḥitim—"spoilers, ravagers"), Angel of the Lord, (מְמִיתִים, memitim—"executioners", "slayers") is found in Job 33:22 and in Proverbs 16:14 in the plural, "Messengers of death".

In Greek, angel means “messenger”.  Would Jesus be a messenger of death, or a messenger of life?  John 14:6; John 10:10

1 John 1:5 - This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Death is darkness.   Light is life. Luke 1:79 It’s very simple.  There is a boundary between both that cannot be crossed.  2 Cor 6:14

Who has complete control over what Satan is allowed to do? Who can protect us from the “evil one”. Luke 11:4   Also, who was allowed to bring “fire” down on Job?  Job 1:12, 2:6  Comparing your concern over Satan “protecting the Israelites”,  how do you feel about God allowing Satan to test Job, a righteous man who suffered so greatly?  Satan doesn’t look at it as protecting the Israelites, but only as bringing about the destruction of a human being. He is darkness and DEATH.  1 Pet 5:8,9

God allowed Satan to test faithful Job’s loyalty, within limits. Satan’s accusations against him were found false.  Job remained loyal to God.  Satan has asked that each anointed one be tested – sifted “as wheat”; again, challenging their faithfulness.  Luke 22:31  Many do not pass the test.  Matt 25:1,6-10

 His actions are controlled by God as we see with Job, which means He would allow the Destroyer to step in and cause the death of the Assyrian soldiers.  (Rev 20:1-3)

Remember though, God said,  "Woe, you destroyer never destroyed, you traitor never betrayed! When you have finished destroying, you will be destroyed. When you have finished betraying, they will betray you."  Isa 33:1

The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.  1 Cor 15:26

If Christ was the Angel of Death, would he also destroy death? If he is that angel, does he posses both darkness and light?

John 1:4 - In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

SM looks at Armageddon literally, as do your leaders who portray Jesus as swooping down on a white horse bearing a literal sword, as the Destroyer.   Look up “sword” and see that it is symbolic.  Heb 4:12; Eph 6:17; Rev 1:16; 2:16  “Fire” also is symbolic as meaning God’s Word.   Jer 23:29 

In 1 Cor 10:1-13, was Jesus the destroyer that Paul is speaking about? 

SM is saying that Jesus Christ is Apollyon in Revelation 9:11

In Hebrew “Abaddon” means “destroyer”.

Job 28:22 -  Abaddon and Death say, "We have heard news of it with our ears."

Job 31:12 - For it is a fire that consumes down to Abaddon; it would destroy my entire harvest.

Job 26:6 – “Sheol is naked before God, and Abaddon has no covering.”

Prov 15:5 – “Sheol and Abaddon lie open before the LORD -- how much more, human hearts.”

Prov 27:20 – “Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied, and people's eyes are never satisfied”

Can Jesus be compared to Sheol? 

“Apollyon” in Greek means, “destroyer”

 1 Cor 10:10  - Nor should we complain as some of them did, and were killed by the destroyer.

Heb 11:28 -  By faith he instituted the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn might not touch the Israelites.

Rev 9:11 – “They had as their king the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he has the name Apollyon.”

This is speaking about the locust-scorpion army which cause harm to the anointed ones who are yet to be sealed.  Rev 9:4 (Rev 7:4) Do you believe Jesus would harm his own people?  Abaddon and Apollyon refer to Satan, and only Satan. 

One more thought. God told David that the temple David longed to build would not be built by him, but by his son.  Why? 

1 Chron 28:3 - But God said to me, 'You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood.'

David assumed God meant Solomon would build his house, but we know God had other plans regarding His begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who would build His house/Temple.   1 Chron 17:10-14; John 2:19; Eph 2:20-22; Acts 7:47,48

Would God change His mind and allow His Son to shed blood as your leaders and SM believe he would?  He brings us life as our Savior; not death, not as one who destroys life. 

“You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood”. 

Jesus is the Head of the “house of God”/Temple.  The anointed “living stones” of the Temple of God are its bodily members.  Eph 4:11,12; 2:20-22

If they overcome Satan’s end time deceit…

Rev 3:12 - He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

This is the fulfilled New Covenant as the Bride, “coming down from heaven” Rev 21:1-4 

During the time of the end God “sends” a delusion upon His people, which means He allows Satan to again “sift as wheat” the anointed remnant during this time period.  Luke 22:31  The delusion is described by Daniel as the fourth beast, (Dan 7:7) and it is the two Beasts in Revelation chapter 13.  They are of Satan’s making, and as the Father of the Lie, these two beasts promulgate their lies which stumble and capture the anointed ones.    2 Thess 2:1-4,9-12; Col 2:8; Rev 13:7,10 

Refuted with one link to a discussion of which you lost.

I remember that one question you also avoided; of who gave Satan the key to his own prison....

4 hours ago, Witness said:

Armageddon is fought in the “valley of decision”, the heart, not on a physical plane where literal blood is shed by Christ, as the Destroyer. 

But according to the Bible, the Son will come in the glory of his Father to take out the wicked. You said before you do not water down Jesus' Kingship, but you are still doing this now.

That fact you do not understand what your Lord and King is capable of puts you being of the chosen ones to question, perhaps, nothing more than misguided soul who does not know what the Bible conveys.

4 hours ago, Witness said:

It is the battle of truth against lies. 

But you have made lies in the face of the truth, even more so that you make claims and use slander when someone spoke a truth in front of you.

The truth is, Satan is not God's ally, of which you alluded to several times.

4 hours ago, Witness said:

Joel 3:14  What Satan accomplishes before death is destroyed, remains to be seen. 

And according to you, who destroys death and who destroys Satan?

The Bible tells us who will remove both parasitic plagues to mankind once and fore all.

That being said, I think your biggest fear is the fact of what God can do and what Jesus can do concerning the wicked. As much as I dislike the slander, the misguidance, and the demonic banter from you, I have more pity compared to some of the few.

But the prophet of God as is with others, own word stands true in all things concerning what God will do and what he will put in place to deal with those who do bad to mankind.

Psalm 94:23 - He will bring back on them their iniquity and wipe them out for their wickedness; the LORD our God will wipe them out.

Psalms 145:20 - The LORD preserves all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.

Mind you, this is but 2 of many verses....

And to quote you there is....

 

On 7/18/2019 at 11:13 PM, Witness said:

scriptures to support....

My words, no, God's Word, concerning such.

 

That being said, the questioned posed to you have not been answered...