2 hours ago, Witness said:

Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are.And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.  Exod 12:13

 For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.  Exod 12:23

The Lord (His Spirit)  passes over Israel  and passes through the Egyptians.  He allows Satan the Destroyer, to strike.   Obviously, you desire the destroyer  to be God or Jesus Christ...regardless of what the scriptures say. 

I am asking you WHO is the destroyer, I did not ask you to quote verses.

I have reasons for asking you a question you avoided in our last discussion purposely.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

He allows Satan the Destroyer, to strike. 

God would never give Satan the satisfaction. And according to Scriptural Evidence, God did not send Satan to attack the Egyptians as you claim, and, to quote you, there is no Biblical Evidence to such.

That being said, that would make God's Adversary more of a friend than foe, according to your logic.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

you desire the destroyer  to be God or Jesus Christ...

Not really because concerning the question it is neither God or Jesus.... Nice try though, so I suggest you attest to the question rather than dance around what the Bible actually says.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.  Heb 11:28

Which brings us back to the question. Who was the destroyer?

3 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

what you SHOULD of said was "Jacob got rights of first born but he was not first created"

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This is Yacob/Jacob, not Jesus. Jesus himself as been called the firstborn of creation as well as the firstborn out of death (out of the dead), and evidence to such is that Jesus himself is the first of the Firstfruits.

1 hour ago, Jesus.defender said:

But, the original does NOT say that!

How so?

1 hour ago, Jesus.defender said:

6ὅτι (because) ἐν (in) αὐτῷ (Him) ἐκτίσθη (were created) τὰ (-) πάντα (all things) ἐν (in) τοῖς (the) οὐρανοῖς (heavens) καὶ (and) ἐπὶ (upon) τῆς (the) γῆς (earth), τὰ (the) ὁρατὰ (visible) καὶ (and) τὰ (the) ἀόρατα (invisible), εἴτε (whether) θρόνοι (thrones) εἴτε (or) κυριότητες (dominions) εἴτε (or) ἀρχαὶ (rulers) εἴτε (or) ἐξουσίαι (authorities); τὰ (-) πάντα (all things) δι’ (through) αὐτοῦ (Him) καὶ (and) εἰς (unto) αὐτὸν (Him) ἔκτισται (have been created).

Incorrect in every sense. The Textus Receptus is not the original, and or the later manuscript sources, which is known to everyone to have been corrupted. We have the original early manuscripts concerning such that proves your claim as nothing more than a fallacy, and it only too a single minute to point this out.

2 Cor. 4:4 and Hebrews 1:3 are also marginal references that also holds more evidence.

That being said:

The Father takes delight in the Son. The Son marvels and rejoices over the works of the hands of the Father.

@admin Or.... They finally do meet the person, face to face or at a distance, and their thought process reads... (yikes, this is NOT what I expected).

That being said, love always has it ways.

Well it was bound to happen. But some people say it did not happen while the comic book community says it did. I guess Grace from Beyond the Trailer would have a word regarding this.

23 hours ago, Equivocation said:

No interfaith dialogue.

That is why his claim can be evidently destroyed by means of what an Interfaith Dialogue is, as shown here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_dialogue

That being said, it is funny how he mentions this, yet he accepts God's Order being nullified by men and brazen conduct to enter the church. He speaks of ill doctrines yet he follows them. For he is a Satanic hypocrite to the highest degree in this sense.

But it was a stupid and weak move on his part when he makes this claim against someone who has been proclaiming word and voicing themselves against the Interfaith, such as Kairos, Peak, etc.

We never forget 2016, we never forget Ted Turner's words at the UN, for it is burning reminder that such ones, the powers that be are a threat to the people of God.

He never clicked the link because he knew that claim of his backfired.

Always, and forever, avoid the interfaith.

23 hours ago, Equivocation said:

The Bible tells you clearly what is said, for any Bible reader can see that for themselves. For instance if you go to the verses about the donkey, you don't see any donkey talking about Jesus, let alone that one donkey who was shook by the angel. 

He is too blind to even see that. That being said, this is true- the honest Bible reader can discern this for themselves, even if that reader is a child, they can see what is conveyed.

The truth will always hurt, it will always sting and will always give scar to the ignorant one who does not know or is willfully evading truth.

@TheWorldNewsOrg That is insane, and can you imagine that not in slow motion dare I ask?

Looking at this, I find a video of something similar:

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Thanks a lot for this. You made strong arguments against my opinions :)))))

Anytime, but that being said, you still need to voice your claims, and every single time you avoid and run from the very things you said.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

according to SM link:https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-common-signs-of-a-person-that-is-losing-an-argument

Ok let's see what you have to say. And I am a debater, not a judge of a debate, for what I link are tell tale signs of a losing debater, and only the loser.

And I love debates, be it in them or watching, I mentioned this before...

On 1/24/2018 at 7:59 AM, Space Merchant said:

All in all, I do fancy watching debates for it is something I taken great interest in since for several years now

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

#6: Ad Hominem (Abusive) - resorting to abusing someone and calling them names because at this point you are running on fumes

In a debate, even those on the winning side can spit a few insults, unfortunately I am not on the losing end. I suggest you look into some debates, a notable debater being Ben Shapiro, Br. Myatt, Masur, etc.

The irony is in a debate, one can see who actually wins by means of 2 points:

• [1] Contextualizing what it means to meet your burden of proof, i.e. arguing in favor of a framing device that acts as an evaluative mechanism for proving the truth or falsity of the resolution or topic statement.
• [2] Proving that the topic itself meets that contextualization, i.e. that it meets the criteria you've set up for proving the resolution true.

I even told you from the very beginning, even a seasoned debater can be unpredictable and can insult their challenger, but evidently not to the extreme, for me, I merely played on your Biblical Intelligence, for even the Bible speaks of stupid persons concerning what is true and what is false, what is wise and what is unwise, etc.

Therefore, you can be called as such if you are making absurd claims that are not even Biblical.

That being said you missed 3 points that fits you perfectly lol:

• #3: False equivalence aka comparing a counter-argument with something abhorrent
• #4: Tu quoque or “What about-ism” - straying away from the topic and saying “look at this”, “but what about that”; a diversionary tactic.
• #5: Appeal to motive - implying that the opponent seeks to gain something due to their stand on the issue

You fit all 3 of such while being on the losing end, so much you cannot speak a single thing without using JWs to help you out. More so, you stated I am using articles, I am using Interfaith Dialogue (I got quite the laugh out of this one granted the source linked by me proved you wrong), etc, with no evidence to claim, therefore, if a debater can call you ignorant, or stupid, or silly, etc. Then what they are saying is true. You also show anger and frustration granted that

A - you voted down someone who was speaking to me and only me and

B - you had copied and paste your idiot filled claims elsewhere.

The fact you willfully shot down a spectator/onlooker shows you have lost from the get go.

That being said, the article is indeed correct, when a person loses a debate, such points showed by them by their words etc.
And to this day, we still never found out your claim about donkeys preaching the Christ, the most sillies thing I had ever heard.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

#7: Poisoning the well - The deux ex machina of logical fallacies. When everything else fails, go on a tirade to tarnish the image of your opponent.

This one is a nice one, also you do not even know what Deux [Deus] Ex Machina even is, which makes it all the more amusing to see you struggle in this debate.

So I ask you this question: Can you point out and quote ANY of my fallacies regarding our debate? As a bonus, I want you to quote the so called "interfaith dialogue" I am speaking. as well as the "article" claim made by you.

This I got to see, especially with my history of fighting the interfaith, I want to see from an ignorant person, you, of this so called claim you speak of. Let's have at it Srecko.

I can quote some of your fallacies, here they are:

NOTE: Before we start, let me tell you what a fallacy is. A fallacy is a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument. It also means a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid or faulty reasoning; misleading or unsound argument.

On 7/10/2019 at 1:00 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Balaam's Donkey did, and Stones can preach too, according to Bible.

Then show us this evidence regarding the Donkey and the stones preaching the gospel truth, Screko.

You said according to the Bible, so surely to you, you may have something to say rather than run away from the very words that you said. I an assure you, even this claim of yours sounds very stupid when read out loud.

On 7/12/2019 at 1:39 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Snake in Paradise also spoke to Eve and preach some sort of doctrine (another "gospel" if you want,... haha, not "gospel" in strict way about Jesus and his death and his life and what he has said and done. But "something" that have connection about God and People).  

So show us your evidence that a Snake was preaching some sort of gospel, Srecko, otherwise unfounded claims such as this shows us, no, it exposes you to be nothing more than an ignorant lair concerning the Bible of which you lack.

The word gospel as defined:

• [1] the age concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.
• [2] one of the first four New Testament books telling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ
• [3] an interpretation of the Christian message

As we can see, the snake has never preached about the Christ let alone speak of the good news gospel, more so, the snake was not spreading a Christian message and or a doctrine. The truth of the matter, according to the Bible, according to the book of Genesis (Torah) is that Satan had used the snake to deceive the first woman, Eve, resulting in her and Adam's disobedience.

On 7/13/2019 at 8:08 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Well, please, what we today have to understand and how about past and about future in connection to some Bible quotes is not in group of "simplified edition articles" as you suggest. 

You said I suggested whatever it is you are referring to, this so called simplified edition article editions you speak of when all that I said comes merely from an ESV Bible, and my 2 minor sources being Wikipedia, and an English Dictionary (evidence of this is on page 2-4 of regarding our debate), and nothing more. Can you quote anything from me in this debate that I had suggested simplified edition articles as you claim? If not, you must make Satan very proud to add words to someone's mouth. As a man of God, I do not add nor do I take from God's Word, and had been very vocal of Deut. 4:2.

That being said, show me, Srecko Sostar your claim.

On 7/20/2019 at 3:05 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

"interfaith dialogue"

Let's see it, show me any of my quotes in this debate that shows "Interfaith Dialogue" when from the get-go I am only using the Bible. That being said, we can see earlier you tried to steer into the direction of the WT and JWs in order to not be focused on solely a Bible discussion, for you had been exposed for the simple fact that without JWs in your dialogue, you have nothing - and it shows.

If you cannot answer what you yourself had said, well, that link only proves to everyone here that you not just started a debate, but you lost it by not in mere defeat, but throwing yourself into your own ruin and peril of depravity, so much so you resort to a copy/paste shenanigans elsewhere by means of your own fumes.

That being said, address the questions posed in light orange.

Check mate

On 7/13/2019 at 1:40 PM, Equivocation said:

We had a talk about child abuse. One point, well 2 was made.

Educating people, the second being to talk to kids about sex.

 

Every bit helps. 

And what have you learned regarding helping the children concerning talking to them about such things? Information you convey here and give insight to those on this forum and any onlooker who is a guest.

5 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Space Merchant Also Spiritual Jerusalem. The one that accepts the Christ :).

Nice nod to the book of Jeremiah also.

Yes that is true. Spiritual Jerusalem does not reject the Christ. Although Witness is as blind and misguided as ever so evident, Witness was aware of these despite confusing Earthly and Spiritual in the past, and did not make the correction even later on.

The New Covenant is of HIGH importance, we should not belittle ourselves to the level of stupidity and or ignorance of what it entails, something the MSC does not understand, the interfaith among them twist what it means and tarnish what the Covenant even is.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It seems how @Space Merchant and @Equivocation  find common religious language on this and other topics. I wonder does this belong to "interfaith dialogue" because two members of different, even opposite religions support each other in doctrinal matters. :)) As i know JW Church forbidden to his members any kind of Ecumenism :)) 

 

Equivocation (also known as: doublespeak)

Copying and pasting I see; you had already been dealt with. Take your anger, your loss and your depravity, elsewhere, ignorant one. For are also unaware that the Bible supports Spiritual Israel.

That being said, you are of no concern in this thread, for I am only concern with you in our debate, so I suggest you take it there because should you begin with Spiritual Israel, you will be burned and rinsed with Scripture verily easily.

7 hours ago, Witness said:

You must be kidding.  

On 7/18/2019 at 11:13 PM, Witness said:

Clearly, I do not kid.

So I suggest you answer the question, which I will quote again.

19 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Who was the Destroyer found in verses 13 and 23 of Exodus 12 according to you?

The others can be addressed based on you not recognizing the heirs:

19 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

• That being said, you made the mistake that stating the Bible, and or there is no Scriptural Support for the New Covenant concerning Spiritual Israel. How does your claim add up when there is Scriptural Evidence concerning such?

• Second, you speak of Spiritual Israel, and yet you ignore the heirs. Why only mention the chosen ones, but not God's people also, in which the Kingdom of God is for them also? What is the reason to single them out and ignore that they are of the same Spiritual House? Remember, yous aid it before, that Christians are in union with the Christ...

• Lastly, you claim you never watered down Jesus' Kingship, and yet there are comments from you, even you posting a picture when you questioned Judith. Did you purposely forget what God's original purpose and will concerning mankind was all about, and how his only begotten son fairs into the mix?

Also in the link regarding the discussion about who the Destroyer is, you contradict regarding what is addressed here.

What you do not get is there are people, lost ones out there who want to learn about who God is, questions like this they themselves will ask as they make progress to accepting the teachings of the Lord. As I told you in the past, you do not take up the commission with importance if you speak in this way, forever misguided who claims to be of the chosen ones, but ignore his brother and sister who are the stones of the house itself, let alone, you do not recognize them, but know this - Jesus recognizes them, as is Jesus' Father, Yahweh, and those in union with his Son.

That being said, address the questions.

@Equivocation I want to hear evidence from claim from him, this is a debate that is ongoing.

@Equivocation @Srecko Sostar 

Also for the both of you, this is signs of a losing debate, as we can see what Srecko is suffering from.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-common-signs-of-a-person-that-is-losing-an-argument

Apparently with little discernment, anyone who is on the receiving end of a debate is always angry, not to the point of becoming the hulk, no, but to the point of copying and pasting their stupidity elsewhere.

That being said, there is another Christian media forum of which I linked this debate to, they are having a BALL with this one, especially the bit with Srecko and is donkey claims.

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Absolutely agree, and one main reason for that is: Our points and conclusion can be err.  Well, your conclusions that opposites mine can be wrong as well as mine :))))))

You do not agree, because if you had, your claims would have been talked about even more, for originally, I even told you, bring evidence to your claim whereas not even the Bible could save you in this regard. If you do not have anything related to JWs to hold your head, you end up dead in the water concerning this debate, and go about fish flailing and the most common moves made by someone on the losing end of a debate, an appeal to motive and Ergo Decedo.

My claims are not in err because I back it up with biblical support, context and I take into account of the passage, concerning baptism, concerning the good news gospel, concerning the Christ.

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

lol, this time you are Absolutely right :))))

This time? I find it funny coming from a depraved fool who thinks the a donkey proclaims the coming of the Christ.... This tomfoolery of yours is as more absurd as the gospel of Thomas.

You stated Restoration, which means the action of returning something to a former owner, place, or condition. whereas Restorationist means a charismatic Christian movement seeking to restore the beliefs and practices of the early Church.

Dare I ask, do you confuse even simple things such as an apple to an orange?

At least get the word right before you speak of vocabulary.

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Fine, but I am not academic and this site is not academic place. So, what you are doing here? Share your academic knowledge with people who have few years of school education? :)))))

The study of religion. I brought this up because of your last comment. The common Bible reader is capable of understanding what the Bible be it if they went through academic studies or not.

So what am I doing here? Speaking about the Bible of course,a s I had done so at CSE and elsewhere.

Academic studies have no weight over Bible truth. This path was only taken because people like to sing lies, as you are doing now.

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

"find with me" ..... what language is this ? :))))

Clearly a type, I have no shame in the speed of my typing, as I am aware of constant typos I occasionally make when making lengthy responses.

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I know, this is Academic freedom of expression and talk :))

Clearly not, but your attempt to run from debate is obvious, I won't allow it.

That being said, attest to your claims, otherwise it can be ruled out you are a lair to the strongest degree.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 "interfaith dialogue"

lol, you can easily be corrected swiftly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_dialogue

You purposely shown yourself to be quite the idiot, Srecko.

Just to pull your strings, show me anywhere that Interfaith Dialogue is being used here lol? Granted of how long I have been against the wave of interfaith for nearly a decade, I want to hear the claim coming from a depraved simpleton.

Let's have at it, again, you addressed that term :).

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

"interfaith dialogue" because two members of different, even opposite religions support each other in doctrinal matters. :))

Unfortunately for you, no doctrines are being discussed... Just the Bible.

Another faulty move, on your part.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

As i know JW Church forbidden to his members any kind of Ecumenism :)) 

Now now, what did I say about trying to hold on to the hands of JWs? You are a brought man, speak of your claims concerning the Bible, the fact you constantly run back to JWs, you keep proving my point, time and time again.

I will quote you: stay focused.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Equivocation (also known as: doublespeak)

Your business with me, not the boy. Unless you want the boy to fight your own battles? That is unlikely because both you and he had a dispute in the past, and surely, he does not like you. Whatever happen with you under the dwelling of Lloyd is of no concern.

What is of concern is here and now.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well, why you continue debate with me ? :))))

 

Because a debate does not end when the points and conclusions are made. What remains open ended are your horrendous claims. The fact you never been in a debate yet start one shows how foolish you truly are, depraved.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You belong to Restoration Group, and i see that you Restore some words into your vocabulary :)))

You speak of vocabulary and yet you cannot even say "Restorationist". lol Perhaps it is you who needs the dictionary far more than I.

Biblical Unitarians are not Restorationist, however, we take up the study of the Bible seriously, and we study religion, more so, Theological study and discussion is something we take up when it comes to learning about Jesus' church.

The study of religion as defined in short: Religious studies, also known as the study of religion, is an academic field devoted to research into religious beliefs, behaviors, and institutions. It describes, compares, interprets, and explains religion, emphasizing systematic, historically based, and cross-cultural perspectives.

I stated to you 4 times before I study religion even though I am a Biblical Unitarian, i.e. Islam, Judaism, etc.

It is funny because even the Christology of Restoraionist has been addressed 7 times to you, yet your ignorance and appeal to motive shows you to be a bigger fool than realized.

That being said, the debate does not end because you began the debate regarding baptism and now into preaching the gospel and second, the claims you made are still in demand of answer and or forfeit.

I agree with the teenager, you are perhaps quite idiotic when it comes to debate especially when you start one with a Christian who lives for debate - fool's errand on your part, simpleton. For his words hurt you because of your reaction to what he had said.

If you want to run from a debate you started, that is find with me.

37 minutes ago, Witness said:

If @Jeff Danby is a JW, you have thoroughly confused him, since he believes that “Israel” is comprised of the anointed ones, as do I.    That may soon change with shocking “new light” when “Jehovah’s spiritual temple”/organization/idol becomes known as “Israel”.  Will you be ready for baptism then?

We do not know if he is a JW or not, granted this is a forums whereas now the only access here is by means of a club, and majority of folks on this platform was here, granted the history of this forum.

I haven't confused him, I merely speak of what the Bible talks about concerning God's people, those of Spiritual Israel who are in union with the Christ - nothing more.

How do you know what he believes if he had said nothing more but 3 words?

That being said, you continue to interject because originally, what he had said to you was concerning the Bible, not JWs or the WT, you are only adding the JW/WT because you've been called out to question regarding Spiritual Israel.

39 minutes ago, Witness said:

Exod 12:23 - "When the Lord passes through to strike Egypt and sees the blood on the lintel and the two doorposts, he will pass over the door and not let the destroyer enter your houses to strike you."

Heb 11:28 -  "By faith he instituted the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn might not touch the Israelites."

Isa 14:12 - "Shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground."

Isa 33:1 - "Woe, you destroyer never destroyed, you traitor never betrayed! When you have finished destroying, you will be destroyed. When you have finished betraying, they will betray you."

This has already been addressed in the last discussion, the same one linked and you had been refuted, especially when you spoke of God sending Satan to the Egyptians, you are only repeating your folly, Witness. 

• That being said, you made the mistake that stating the Bible, and or there is no Scriptural Support for the New Covenant concerning Spiritual Israel. How does your claim add up when there is Scriptural Evidence concerning such?

• Second, you speak of Spiritual Israel, and yet you ignore the heirs. Why only mention the chosen ones, but not God's people also, in which the Kingdom of God is for them also? What is the reason to single them out and ignore that they are of the same Spiritual House? Remember, yous aid it before, that Christians are in union with the Christ...

• Lastly, you claim you never watered down Jesus' Kingship, and yet there are comments from you, even you posting a picture when you questioned Judith. Did you purposely forget what God's original purpose and will concerning mankind was all about, and how his only begotten son fairs into the mix?

I suggest you focus on the Bible in regards to these 3 points, granted that was originally posted to you in addition to the first.

As an additional question, because I asked you this before (and you avoided purposely) and since you want to be bold by quoting Exodus...

Who was the Destroyer found in verses 13 and 23 of Exodus 12 according to you?

The one thing I do not like other than slander is someone who wants to defile what is true of what is written in the Bible itself. And among other things, someone who twists what the New Covenant conveys, for they ignore the fact of whose blood has been shed to enable it for mankind because of Adam's sin.

What does snow taste like?

H20 - 2 Hydrogen atoms and 1 Oxygen atom combined together with the help of a covalent bond. A covalent bond is a type of bond where the atoms instead of giving away their electrons completely or accepting electrons from other atom (ionic bond), share among them. Therefore both the Hydrogens and oxygen share their electrons mutually.

In plain and simple English

Water

I am certain it is as such for the common folk who drinks to hydrates. Snow also causes brain freeze.

@Anna Likewise the culture and customs for some, reasons why what is done in countries that is unknown to majority of outsiders, be it British folk, Americans, etc if done in the UK or America is is seen as normal.

That being said, I had short dreadlocks for a long time when I was very young into the age of 12, I chose to point them. One of my biggest problems was my hair always got in my eyes. The only good thing about the ridiculous amount of biotin in my system is I do not have to worry about going bald, as some around my age, 20s, are suffering from. Sadly even, I see women with this issue of baldness. Either genetics for some or high levels of D.H.T. (Dihydrotestosterone) byproduct. I do have a beard though, but it is very short, and at times, I do choose to cut it, if in my father's country in some parts, if I visit, I do cut it due to culture reasons and to show some respect.

@Jeff Danby Welcome to the area once called Controversial Posts whereas discussion can be made and you can be a challenger and or challenged. Originally, this area, before it was a club consist of ALL topics and over time a JW only clubhouse.

That being said, do not expect to get an answer from someone who claims to be of the chosen ones, yet as we can see here, ignores the heirs who are with the Christ also.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Dear Sir, I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself. 

And yet there was a discussion regarding the spiritual house and those who are in said house.

On the contrary, there is Scriptural support.

In the Old Testament, God had foretold that the Old Covenant, otherwise as the Sinaic Law covenant would be replaced with another, the New Covenant. The New Covenant is a biblical interpretation originally derived from a phrase in the Book of Jeremiah. iI refers to It is often thought of as an eschatological age, otherwise known as the Messianic Age or The World to Come by some, in addition, it is related to what we already know about God's Kingdom.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, which reads:

The New Covenant

[31] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. [33] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

The Old Covenant's (Sym. Haggar; bounded woman) mediator between God and Natural Israel is the Son of Amram, Moses. In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the Isrealites. And around this time people were validated by animal sacrifices and what was to be followed was written on stone tablets.

The New Covenant's (Sym. Sarah; free woman) mediator between God and Spiritual Israel is the only begotten son of the true God, child to Mary and Joseph, Jesus (Imanuel). In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the both Jews and Gentiles. And around this time people were validated by Jesus giving his life for mankind (Jesus' Sacrifice) and what was to be followed was written within our hearts.

The difference is that in the New Covenant we are to follow and adhere the Foremost Commandment and all that hangs from it, as what Jesus said to those who asked him, such was held to a high importance to him, hence what I always reference, Shema Yisrael.

We also know that Jesus spoke with his disciples regarding the New Covenant.

As we see below:

Luke 22:20 - And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood

(ref. Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24)

For an honest Christian and Bible reader would point out that even the Christ himself has stated as is mentioned above, that he [Jesus] plainly said the New Covenant involved His blood being shed (Jesus referred to a New Covenant, which is an allusion to Jeremiah 31:31 as seen above).

The New Covenant immediately came into effect after Jesus' death and just days later we see what has taken place at Pentecost, read Acts 2, as is what can be read in Galatians and or Romans, etc, for the New Covenant allowed not just Jews, but Gentiles to be in the church of the Christ, and all of them, who uphold the teachings and believe and worship in God and accept the word of the prophet he sent, of whom he made Christ, Jesus, all these people are in union with the Christ, man or woman, rich or poor, etc and to this day, the New Covenant is in effect, hence why there is a huge importance in the good news gospel and the Messianic Age of which must be professed - for I believe you claimed to be of the chosen ones, why is it you say there is no support when the Bible speaks the truth itself? Again, be focused on the Bible.

For True Christians who are in union with the Christ uphold and know that and believe that Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and that the Blood of Christ shed at his crucifixion is the required blood of the covenant. The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Jesus Christ, and within this agreement, it includes all who are united with Jesus Christ, or as the Bible says, all those who are in [union with] Christ.

The Covenant that is by means of Jesus' blood is mentioned time and time again, there is no reason to brush off what Spiritual Israel entails, for all of Spiritual Israel are of the Spiritual House, not solely the chosen ones.

• 1 Corinthians 11:25 - In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
• 2 Corinthians 3:1 - Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you?
• 2 Corinthians 3:6 - who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
• Hebrews 8:8 - For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
• Hebrews 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
• Hebrews 9:15 - Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
• Hebrews 12:24 - and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

That being said, you mentioned Galatians before, do you not consider your brothers and sisters in Christ as the heirs who are also of the house, all in union with the Christ despite not being of the chosen ones, the firstfruits?

Do not ignore those in union with the Christ.... The very reasons I questioned you earlier in my comment on this thread.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

What I do notice is if I speak against a WT lie, you tend to support the lie as truth. 

Originally you were talking about the WT, you only brought them up after the fact when you spoke in confusion of those in union with the Christ as is Jesus' kingship whereas you had watered down his role in the past.

That being said, I only speak in regards to falsehood and conspiracies, of which you tend to pose.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

In this case, the WT tells the truth about who “Israel” is, since they have successfully captivated and surrounded the camp of “saints” with their lies.

Before you mentioned the WT, you left out the fact of the heirs who are also of Spiritual Israel, for even in the past you mentioned, as well as misused, what is said in Galatians 3, therefore, one can coin and or question what you convey, and it can be said to focus on what the Bible says if you completely missed what the New Covenant concerning Christians convey.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,5-7,10,11; 16:13,14; 20:9 The only way to draw prey, is with a little truth.

But you shed little truth yourself, you attempt to draw prey, but instead you found a lion of God from amongst the bushes and brushes. Now, for you to say:

21 hours ago, Witness said:

I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself.

Only shows readers of how misguided you are concerning what was mentioned, only afterwards instead of speaking in regards to what was asked, you brought up the WT. I will tell you again - focus on the Bible itself, for not once until now you speak without the mentioned of the WT, and yet when something is address, you use the WT as some sort of shield and or cover, and your attempt, for your appeal to motive is not as effective, and never was.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

It is interesting that in this case of Watchtower teachings, the truth about who spiritual “Israel” is, you are calling a lie.   

If I believed Spiritual Israel to be a lie, my heavy spoken words concerning the New Covenant would been nothing, but as I told you before, I uphold the New Covenant and you at times shown a distaste in such.

Everyone knows what Spiritual Israel is and who they are in union with, let alone the house of which they all dwell, yet you do not recognize all of Spiritual Israel, you only pointed out that the chosen ones were only of this fold in regards to your comment, hence why I made the response and the only thing you can bring up is the WT.... For it seems, you have no ground to stand on unless JWs pick you up by your feet.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

I have not watered down Jesus’ role whatsoever.

Please, do not kid yourself:

21 hours ago, Witness said:

But, to say Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, is the Destroyer, is blasphemy.

Jesus is both survivor and King, he is the one who will put an end to the wickedness, he will come with a sword to end all badness and bring forth peace in the name of his God and Father, Yahweh. Jesus will also be the one to battle with Satan and his demons as he has done so in heaven and he will be the one to close them away, and eventually, after his Kingship, Satan and his demons will be destroy, by means of destruction that is everlasting - ceasing to exist, and the last enemy that will be dealt with is death itself.

All is explained in our last discussion, so before you take a shot, make sure there is no evidence to claim concerning such:

And Jesus further explained here, same thread:

The irony of it all, in that discussion you ignore ALL references, which further shows who is not too focused on the Bible.

That being said, if I last recall, what is even worse is you pointed out that God had sent Satan to the Egyptians, for you equated Satan to the Destroyer in that verse (not to mention how you twisted the Strong's in that discussion):

On 10/27/2018 at 10:40 AM, Witness said:

Whatever damage is done to humans who are judged by Christ as not worthy of the Kingdom, is at the hand of the Destroyer, Satan. God removes His protection, and Satan steps in. Exod 12:23

And I told you why this is, you ignored it by jumping to JWs again.

The verse in question says the following:

• Exodus 12:13 - The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.

Pretty sure this isn't Satan talking and or taking that action.... And it seems somebody is not paying attention to the Old Testament's book of Exodus (Torah). Then again your past comments alluded to God giving Satan the satisfaction of doing actions of this extreme concerning Israel.

So please, show some honesty...

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Again, you show no scriptures to prove otherwise, while I already have.

I did. I only posed question because you did not speak of the heirs who are of Spiritual Israels, for those of Spiritual Israel were not only the chosen ones, but rather, those in union with the Christ as well. You even stated this, alongside with me when we spoke of the Spiritual House in our earliest discussion, and even that time, you actually attempted to use the Bible more than running to the WT.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Don’t become partners with those who do not believe. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? ¹⁵ What agreement does Christ have with Belial? 2 Cor 6:14,15a

And yet you are good with God's Order being changed, accept lies and later claim you know nothing and choose to know nothing while tooting the same horn again and again, moreover, the fact that you willfully ignore those in union with the Christ when they too are of the New Covenant, last I checked, chosen ones, were aware of who is of Spiritual Israel, their brothers and sisters who follow the Christ and worship his God, yet you do not recognize these persons, yet attempt to quote what Paul had said in the past. That, Witness, is being hypocritical.

So I ask again, why water down what the Christ will come to do and why ignore those who are of Spiritual Israel? And stated before, focus on the Bible this time and solely the Bible, for you did so originally and then spouted more WT silliness.

In addition, it puts what you said about the Living Stones to question now.

That being said, regarding the titles and such you linked with Jesus and with Satan, how about next time, learn to that some titles ans phrases are linked with others as well, reasons why the Strong's are clear in this notion to which as seen in the linked thread you showed confusion. But by means of your logic, The Assyrians must have had dealing with God's adversary rather than God concerning King Hezekiah.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But God is the same and one, unchangeable  ... before and after Christ :)))

But you are alluding to a situation that has not even happen yet, therefore you are at fault, and you can be called out for that. Tell me Srecko, as the Kingdom of God had already removed all injustice from the earth, from far and frow? As the End Times Tribulations ended... The honest Bible reader will simply say no, but such events are soon to come.

It would have been correct on your part, if Jesus has indeed returned and wiped out all instances of badness done to all of mankind, but we are waiting and we are vigilant for no such things have taken place yet concerning Jesus' return in God's glory.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

For I am the Lord, I change not; ..... Malachi book

Do you even know which Lord you are speaking of granted you were trying to connect Jesus to Psalms 148?

Come on, Srecko, take your own advise lol

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

read more your Christendom Bible :))

That being said, one can teach a clown the distinction between God and Christ, as is with how a verse connects with a whole passage. And clowns are not idiots.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:57 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Why would anyone have a beard ban ?

Cultural Reasons to some, for all customs are not the same as others.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:57 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Does it mean something special ?

Yes, to some, be it positive and or negative, and or a form of honor and or disrespect to the point a person will converse and or interact with you or the other way around. It usually depends on the group of people.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:57 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think it is strange for white people to have dreadlocks but each to their own idea.

It isn't strange, but it is seen as something negative by some people.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:57 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

But to ban a growth of hair which is a natural thing.

Well you'd have to be concerning of someone's culture and what some among them do.

An example, for people of my Father's country, if you say to a parent "you have a nice baby" or "a nice boy/girl/child" and or calling them handsome or something of the sort, it is a sign of disrespect and that increases to major levels due to what that implies. For you can be seen as a Lugauro or a sosye ( a witch) who preys on children; the reaction of the parent and or guardian would go into protection of their kids by pretty much expelling themselves from your presence.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:57 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Surely it is the shaving of hair that is unnatural ?

In the end you have to understand and honor the views of those who are not of the same group or nation as you.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

....and i am legitimate to not answer if i do not want  :)))

But you were the one who initiated, therefore, this tells you were both lied, and in the wrong.

Your own claims are forfeit because there were merely lies, more so, satanic lies in the face of the good book itself.

So next time, do not start a debate and succumb to the cowards way out, it is both a disrespect and a dishonor to those who uphold debate such as myself.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

the serpent said to the woman

And no verse concerning The snake preaching the gospel of the Christ nor speaking of their own will.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

the donkey said to Balaam

And no verse concerning The snake preaching the gospel of the Christ nor speaking of their own will.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

the very stones would cry out

And no verse concerning The rock and or stone preaching the gospel of the Christ nor speaking of their own will.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

and now appendix about Animals and Praise to Lord ... go to read complete Psalm 148 :)))

Ok let's see it then.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

every wild and tame animal,
all reptiles and birds,
    come praise the Lord!

lol, a gentlemen's effort, who has been revealed to be a fool with his own folly.

Granted both context and the references, of which we find from Isaiah and Hosea, it makes your simplicity depravity easily discern.

More so, you were mixing things before and during the Christ, so how will this add up when Isaiah and Hosea, as references to that verse holds steadfast?

And in the end the gospel is not professed by animals.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

So, please read more your Christendom Bible :))

Ironic, this is some advise you yourself should be applying to the full.

Also I see you used the CEV Bible.

Granted this is debate and in debates some can go unhinged and or go all out, I can honesty say, that this was indeed a stupid move done by a stupid person on your part granted with the evidence against you and the fact all your claims are both ignorant and slander.

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

If you have The Problem with The Bible statements and quotes, put your complain to Writers of The Book , not to me, i am just reader. :))

I uphold what the Bible says, so no complains. My problem is with lairs, stupid persons, fools, willful ignorance, etc. And you fit all tabs.

Yes you are just the reader, but as a reader, one must take in what is being conveyed, not with the AS IS mentally you tap dance to, it will never work.

Perhaps you should "speak with the stones outside of your home and consult with them concerning this 

For the Bible is true concerning those who hear God's Word and wants to make public declaration by means of their own decision. The Bible is clear on the things that

That being said, I suggest you take your own advise:

On 7/17/2019 at 2:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

please read more your Christendom Bible :))

Perhaps next time remember this - Do not start a debate with someone who actually does debates and enjoys them. Because debaters can go all out and or unhinged if need be, especially if they are the one who began and or is given the challenge. 

@Witness Please focus on the Bible itself, for such does not concern anything but it. Those of Spiritual Israel are those who are the church of the Christ, which includes ALL persons, not solely the chosen ones, I remember explaining the Spiritual House and what the New Covenant conveys and what it means for Christians. It would be understandable if the New Covenant was exactly like the Old Covenant in terms of the status of Natural Israel whereas solely those of Israel are evidently in the tent, but with the New Covenant, this is both Jews and Gentiles, not solely Jews.

Second, what you now mention does not negate watering down Jesus' role in God's Purpose and Will, and what he will do to the wicked and those who are against God when it comes to Yah's glory - which lines up with the last time Jesus' role was brought up.

Spring into Summer, 1998. All that can be said, a wonderful, spectacular childhood; somewhat of a Hey Arnold-sque way of life.

On 5/18/2019 at 8:00 PM, Guest Indiana said:

Abstaining from all food and water/juices or abstaining from all food but drinking water/juices?

If for health benefits, it would be wise to start with Intermittent Fasting, and in which domain in IF, 16/8, whereas you fast for 16 hours,l enough to baseline your insulin and autophagy (consumption of the body’s own tissue as a metabolic process occurring in starvation and certain diseases) to kick in, and after the 16 hours, you have an 8 hour eating window. So an example would be, your eating window is 2pm-9pm and your fasting window is from 10pm to 1pm (next day). If for weight loss, you must keep under a caloric deficit, meaning to not over eat calories, and you must EAT CLEAN, high fats, low carbs, not too much fruit because you will cause the fructose to go to the liver and end up storing as fat.

There is also the 20/4, also known as the Warrior's Diet, similar to 16/8, however you fast for 20 hours and your eating window is 4 hours

And lastly, there is 23/1, refereed to as OMAD, which means, One Meal A Day. You must fast for 23 hours and you have a 1 hour eating window, so you take in ALL you need in that one sitting meal.

Somethings to note, you cannot eat anything during a fast, not even a single almond and taking in calories will spike you insulin. You are limited to water, black coffee (with nothing in it and can only be consumed about 1-2 hours after waking up in the AM, ideally 9AM or 11AM) and or tea, no sugar at all. For all that is consumed must be 0 calories during the fast until that hour comes when you are in your eating window.

Water Fast is somewhat difficult whereas you only consume water for the whole day, and eat the next day.

Dry Fast is abstaining from food, water, juice, etc. This one is more on the extreme level.

16/8 and 20/4 can be done everyday, however, OMAD you can do like 1-2 a month, unless you are a veteran you can do this occasionally and or everyday. You can also integrate KETO into this too, or you can modify Intermittent Fasting, an example, turning 20/4 into 22/2, etc.

You must also be FAT ADAPTED whereas your body becomes adjusted to the changes you make when it comes to eating.

That being said, WEIGHT LOSS and FAST LOSS are 2 different things, fasting will only deal with weight loss (a LITTLE bit of fast loss if you do nothing expect the IF diet itself and that alone), for fat loss, you must do strength training and or lifting, no cardio, for fasting is taking care of the weight for you.

Remember, never fast to the point of utter starvation, it is bad for the body and ruins progress. If you really must eat, you can eat a bit early from your eating window, for example, 2pm, but you can take your first snake and or meal around 1:45pm. Also eat CLEAN, get your good nutrients from your food and your proteins because it is beneficial for building up the body as you loss weight, and work out.

I have been doing OMAD and 16/8 since high school and I am use to it, even capable of doing dry fast and or water fast if need be for once a month or two.

I also recommend taking information from these people to better understand Intermittent Fasting; better to take information from those who have done it and understand it longer, those who have far more wisdom in such compared to some of us to came much later:

• Thomas Delauer (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTdelauer)
• Sim Land (http://siimland.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting/)
• Edward V [Fledge Fitness] (https://www.youtube.com/user/EVMysterious/featured)
• Kayla Cox [six miles to supper] (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEMrCcc4sJIRrMQoykLZMyA)
• Dr Jason Fung, my favorite source (https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting)
• Naomi Witthel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS7SwWVa2veEvJuDh0pKY_Q)

@Equivocation The High School experience from 90s onward there has been a massive change, especially when it comes the introduction of new tech and society's adaption to vast changes.

This is one of my biggest hatred for false teachings concerning mainstream Christianity. For those who claim to be Christian will simply think they can get away with misdeeds.

But yes, streaming is also at err. Parents do not realize of what live stream their child is watching, for a majority of 6-13 year old are watching streamer, prominently, women streamers, for they are easily subdued by outward appearance, more so, said streamers, female ones known as E-girls, to which these young people are slaving over, even going about as giving money to them, as is with men without moral. An example would be the streamer named Imane Anys otherwise known as Pokimane. One of the kids I speak to mentioned to me once that she recalls seeing a stream whereas a child was speaking inappropriately with her. I will not get into detail of what he said for I am keeping it PG, but all that can be said that it was not good, even though she told him to stop, but this is just one out of many instances, and the more up the change you go, the more sexual charged things get with the female streamers; whom are somewhat protected by a company that even bans people for doing inappropriate things, unless you make them cash.

That is the kind of world we live in, and even Twitter and Facebook have double standers. Another situation would be children speaking about sexual immorality in a way that will cause you not to think and or sleep properly at night - it was THAT bad.

That being said, the parents fail in this sense when it comes to guiding the children, for as in the case with Pokimane and the 12 year old boy, where is the boy's parents? (some parents are ignorant in this case even be provoked when asked in this domain) Likewise, his friends are the same granted by his language, for the parents have no family structure of which God has put in place in regards to his Order of things.

No family structure, means, any badness can come in at a minor level and slowly grow into something majority and unpredictable, hence continue to plant the seeds of sin and allowing it to grow will cause problems.

The internet is like an untamed dog, yes, more so, eventually there will be a time whereas, no, to some degree it is as such and is increasing to the point of an 1984 Orwellian reality.

There is nothing you can do expect to give counsel, to encourage in a positive light, to lead, and to prevent, and give example from God's Word. In the end, it is up to them to make the decision, for this is what can be said - We give you truth, do what you will with it.