Space Merchant

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

May i ask, How many 6 year old male and female has been there, according the Bible books you used here, to support this practice and your standpoint - baptizing children (minor, under age children, not to mention Jesus cca 30 years of old as TRUE EXAMPLE  to follow, verified by written words in holy book :)))

Granted by what  had stated originally according to those within the household, those who are hearers of the word, and understanding of such, those who they themselves, who seek baptism. There are people out there who are examples of such, I myself is an example as is with others.

Jesus himself, like all Jews learnt about God for it was according to the custom of the Jews, to teach and spread knowledge of God to their people, including the young. Shema Yisrael was indeed a BIG deal, reasons why Jesus as a man held this to high importance as he has in his childhood, the same with the Jews who were under this Law of which they were born into. As for John the Baptist, he baptized his people, all of them, not only for those who sought repentance, but according to the baptism's origin regarding Israel itself, in which ritual washing was committed to all persons.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

According to nowadays standard we can talk about age 18 (in Europe) as lawful  age to make independent, competent DECISIONS. 

According to the Bible, the message of God is for those who are hearers of the word, understanding of it, taking in wisdom of it.

lol, stay focused and centered on the Bible, Srecko.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I guess how this Inspired Donkey, inspired by holy spirit, preached God's Words (you can call that gospel, message, warning or else) no matter was this Donkey preached that words to one person or to the people of nations :))) 

You said earlier that the Donkey was preaching, I ask you a second time can you give a verse and or passage regarding the donkey preaching the good news gospel or the Messianic Age.

I give you yet another chance to show me - Srecko, after all, you said that donkey was preaching, and now you are speaking of holy spirit, show me this too.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 :)) animals today also praise the Lord :))  

How so? And yet you consume them, don't you?

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

with or without "preaching and teaching",

But you just said not too long ago that the Donkey was preaching, you also said stones preached too.

My response

On 7/9/2019 at 5:54 PM, Space Merchant said:

Animals cannot preach the gospel, understand and learn about God let alone teach it.

your response to what I said (highlighted the one you focused on)

On 7/10/2019 at 1:00 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Balaam's Donkey did, and Stones can preach too, according to Bible.

 

So to convince people that you, as you claim, a spiritual person, perhaps try not committing slander even when using the Bible.

I recall I told you before that - take out JWs from the equitation, and you cannot hold yourself when the discussion is solely and only about the Bible. And here we see, a another time as how much you stumble when Bible focused.

It is one thing for someone to make a mistake, but to do something as evident and willfully, mainly concerning such, proves utter absurdity on your part.

The worse thing anyone hates is twisting and or speaking wrongfully concerning the message of God, ESPECIALLY, the Aramaic-Hebrew Old Testament.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

in forms and shapes that perhaps you would expect - :))

Expect what? That you have violated God's own word when he said not to add to the text?

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you.

 

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

(talking about forms when individuals or organized groups spreading, what they call, god's words)

And your point regarding this? You yourself did not know Jesus built the church on the rock of which all his members are in union with said teachings despite where they are, where they dwell.

You did not like the truth about the structure of the church, nor did you like God's Order of things, even when Apostle Paul spoke this in his greetings to the people, one church being the one in Corinth.

Lone or organized, there is one primarily goal of which Christians are commanded to do, and last I check you and so and so spoke ill about the Commission, let alone even knew what that entails, yet.... Somehow there is a claim of spiritual wisdom and or knowledge coming from both of you, make that 3.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Of course i don' t like how this god's creatures kill each other for food but i can't do nothing about it !

And your point?

Also did you miss what it says in the Old Testament concerning God about mankind's inheritance of earth, even cultivating it?

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Main issue of our conversation is - baptism of children

Ok, and yet what is still on standby is your claim's evidence.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

and NOT water. :)))

Was it not you yourself who made yet another response regarding water? You even quoted yourself, so you should be asking yourself this question. Then again, you speak of staying on topic, yet somehow regarding Trinitarianism, you began talking about other things, going off topic just to have me respond, more so, you only began talking about baptism when I mentioned myself being baptized, when I talked to @James Thomas Rook Jr. about animals, you began talking about a Donkey preaching, yet when asked where in the Bible is a donkey preaching, all I can hear from you is a cricket orchestra whereas the musical selection is the symphony of tranquiled silence.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart knew music notes before letters with 3 year of age, with 5 made simple composition and gave concerts.

Likewise. even when concerning the Word of God, a young person can learn and apply. Also you should speak a bit more concerning Amadeus' history, you are leaving a bit out.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well he was better candidate for baptism than many children today :)))

Well it depends, did he read, obverse, recite the word, did he himself sought after baptism as a declaration of God? Passing death unto life in this sense according to what the baptism implies?

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

A child, who is aware, ....Aware of WHAT?

To read and to write, to make decisions, to understand something of what is being conveyed. I like how you cut out my whole response, but let me show you something and voila:

10 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Of course there is a different. An infant cannot make a decision to act upon something and or take action on practically things such as moving a chair to sit down, if hungry, taking what he or she seeks from the fridge and or pantry, the action and decision to understand that this so and so is his or her guardian and takes order from said guardian as well as ask said guardian for various things, let alone be trained on something and understand it, an infant cannot do this. So why baptize an infant, a baby who cannot preach something that is not understood? Dare I say, if you ask a baby who God is after speaking about God for 2 minutes, the response? Nothing but a smile and curiosity.

A child, who is aware, can speak and able to understand can do what is mentioned above however, such as a 6-year-old, nowadays some as young as 4 or 5 can do these things, taken, they are raised right, i.e. reading, playing the piano and knowing all things regarding such.

 

Did you not read, Srecko? Because I made that point very clear.

If a child is aware in this sense, let's say for example, a 6-7 year old girl in your household. If she is hungry, she herself is aware enough to understand food is kept in the pantry and or the fridge, including her favorite foods, in 2 instances, she can find her food, take it, aware enough to go sit somewhere to eat said food, the alternative would be, if her favorite food is not there, she knows food can be bought because her guardians, you in this instance, can make the choice to obtain said food for her or not, which prompts her to ask you, in which you can give a yes and or no answer, to which she, the child, who understood what you said (what yes means, what no means), and anything goes from there regardless of any of these scenarios.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

That his parents are deceived by religious leaders and teaching him uninspired, error doctrines and instructions that he and his parents MUST OBEY even if THEY ALL TOGETHER, AS PARENTS AND FAMILY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT DESPITE THAT MUST OBEY AND LISTEN??? !!!

You have to prove that their conviction is a deception, especially the parents.

Teaching a child about God isn't wrong, nor is it a sin. In fact, Mary and Joseph, granted they are under the law of God, taught their children about God and as centuries went by this continued even among Christians. It comes down to teachings the common things about God in the correct way vs. the wrong way.

Granted this thread is about Trinitarianism, for instance, 2 families, one teaches their child about God and that God is the Father and only him whereas the other teaches their child that God is 3 persons, and each of them can be called God and so forth. From there, the research and study can be made, and as the young one grows older, he can either be learning and or had learnt the truth of God or the opposite, which results in what state of mind he or she is in.

That being said, Jesus had entrusted the church, so it is no surprise here regarding instruction and counsel.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

AWARE .... please who is silly? Me? :)))

You are silly. You are the only one here who thinks donkeys and a set of stones can preach the word of God. You are also silly, in a sense, trying to speak of children in a way that they cannot speak, understand and or make decisions and take action on things, what they want, what they do, etc.

You yourself even brought up Amadeus, which throws your whole claim regarding children in a loop of absurdity. For me, I am,a s I told you before, merely making a response to a response and you were the one to have started by picking apart something that was not directed to you - look where we are now, your confusion.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Or you who gave statement that CHILD is Aware

Yes. A Child is aware of many things, such as in order to impress ask a parent for permission or to do something, they can ask such in forms of a question. As is, they know how to formulate a question, granted many if not all children are curious, a child is ever-learning, they can write early too, even though they do not make the letters and or numbers straight.

A child is indeed aware of such. They are aware of what they want to do even if they are not old enough, likewise, if they want to be a man or woman of God, they can make that choice, free will  of choice and decision, to seek something, despite being under a guardian.

You seem to think a child is somewhat of an NPC of some sort. No way.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

of adult people wrongs and religious misconceptions ??!!

Well here is a misconception that is in err.

Preaching animals. You speak erroneous things, yet you ignore it when called out on such.

That being said, you do not even live up to your own claims, perhaps, a bit timid from the main focus at hand, hence the drivel now and how easily it can be refuted.

Make this a note to yourself: Before you pick someone's response apart, make sure they did not put emphasis and or example in their response. The fact that I can quote what I actually said, even re-quote it with the timestamp shows who is the confused one here, silly one who proclaims a donkey and a stone can teach the teachings of the Christ.... You must know the difference between literal and figurative, something witness and you were not able to comprehend in 2 other discussions.

Aside from that you are the last person to talk about children. For last time I spoke of helping them, you laughed and mocked.

8 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

This is agreeable with one simple point. Everyone has an agenda, how far from this world are you willing to be with “rush to judgement” is taking place.

The good thing Twitter is finally taking action on religious hate speech. Soon, google will follow. When that happens, websites that allow such hate speech will be blocked from further internet business. This is great news. In the USA, the first amendment is being taken too far. It is one thing to express your thoughts, but it's extremely different when those thoughts incite, instigate and become as agitators, an uncontrollable mob, by legal definitions.

I almost forgot. I'm glad I had a very tiny part on Twitter's decision by the comments and threats of JOHN and many others here.

This can open a door to both a blessing and a curse, granted with what was going down with YouTube and censorship. It kind of went on regarding AJ and others and more people are caught in the cross-hairs, as is with a situation just days ago which twitter and YouTube were in connection with something tragic in regards to mental illness.

That being said, I do not use Twitter, nor do I use Facebook (for good reason), but at the end of the day, there are those who do good and bad on those platforms, as is with those who speak a truth and those who speak a slander there also.

Regarding hate speech, people are now pointing the finger at the Bible, and some instances had already been done in parts of the US.

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It will be interesting to see who gets caught in the "honey trap", and who escape.

At the very least.

And it would also be interesting to see who has been making an escape ladder using US dollars to evade exposure to friends, family and colleagues.

To quote an old acquaintance, they are feeling good until they get caught.

I had a verse in mind as I was reading through the Hebrew text the other day regarding this, a shame I forgot a very good verse.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Balaam's Donkey did, and Stones can preach too, according to Bible.

Lol, is that so?

Can you show me a verse whereas Ba’laam’s donkey was preaching and teaching the gospel truth and the Messianic Age to the people of the nations?

This I’d like to see, for perhaps this will be as alien and unfounded of what you stated about Chloe.

Ba’lam, some of Be’or was a man who sought after ill reward, and I doubt you would be interested in the events regarding him because it negates what you have talked about before concerning younger people, as is his involvement with Balak.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well, you put very big importance on how much water have to be used for baptism of some individual.

I put a very big importance in baptism because I understand and know the origins of Baptism itself and how it came to be with the Christians of old.

How much water? No.

According to the origins of the Baptism, or the ritual washing, one must be immersed in the water, not have a bucket and or a bowel of water dropped on their head.

We can take into example the people of whom John the Baptist had baptized, all of them were brought underneath the water and back up as well as proclaimed the word of God to the people (Matthew 3:1, 2; Mark 1:4; Acts 19:4, etc.),  Maybe Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch as seen in Acts 8, perhaps the example concerning Jesus, for John put him under, and brought him back up, and as soon as he came out of the water, God gave the spirit to Jesus and had spoken, for John the Baptist became witness to God speaking at this point of time, even acknowledged this event taking place (Matthew 3:13:17); this also correlates with an elementary question that is deem complex for anyone when it comes to why John the Baptist baptized his people in the Jordan River.

There is no biblical reference nor is there any hermeneutics in regard to sparkling water unto a person who sought after baptism.

In short, regarding baptism, one must be Immersed, one must be a hearer and understanding of the word, the teachings, and one only seeks baptism if he or she declares their faith and their dedication to the one True God, who is El Shaddai and on he is such and from here on out, like Jude and others, maintain faith and be strong in it.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

According to your reasoning sprinkling with water is big problem but to be minor candidate is just by Bible principles :)))   

Not my reasoning, but okay for making yourself look silly.

If you can show me some hermeneutics of John sprinkling water unto Jesus, perhaps you can convince me otherwise.

That being said, one should question your reasoning when you make accusations against Jesus, his followers as well as prophets of God on occasion.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You have great mind, but in some details you failed, again. :))

On the contrary,  how is it I had failed when you cannot even given evidence to your claim? It mirrors what you had stated about Chloe and Barak, which shows you are enshrouded by the dense nature of your mind and your form of thinking, Srecko.

Please...

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Difference between infant and 6 year old is enormous. When 6 year old decide to join some Religious Structure to be life time member that must be blessing for that child and his parents.

Of course there is a different. An infant cannot make a decision to act upon something and or take action on practically things such as moving a chair to sit down, if hungry, taking what he or she seeks from the fridge and or pantry, the action and decision to understand that this so and so is his or her guardian and takes order from said guardian as well as ask said guardian for various things, let alone be trained on something and understand it, an infant cannot do this. So why baptize an infant, a baby who cannot preach something that is not understood? Dare I say, if you ask a baby who God is after speaking about God for 2 minutes, the response? Nothing but a smile and curiosity.

A child, who is aware, can speak and able to understand can do what is mentioned above however, such as a 6-year-old, nowadays some as young as 4 or 5 can do these things, taken, they are raised right, i.e. reading, playing the piano and knowing all things regarding such.

When it comes to reading the Word of God, a child can seek it should they choose, willingness to learn about God and so forth. The Bible makes it clear to pass on wisdom to the children concerning God (remember, something you yourself has laughed at). In Jesus’ day and before that, children were taught about who God is and learn about it, when Jesus was a boy, his people, including his human parents, Mary and Joseph, taught him about God. According to the Law of the Jews, the Jews, as soon as they can gain insight and understanding, capable of being vocal and so forth, adhere to learning about the God of Israel, for Jesus himself, even as a boy, he affirmed the Shema Yisrael Law, a Law given to Israel by God through Moses, and this command is followed, to observe, to teach, to recite, to read concerning the God of Israel. The Shema command is carried over into the New Covenant due to Jesus affirming this in the gospel of Mark and Matthew, and even Apostle Paul affirmed the Shema Command, which is followed to and taken seriously to this day.

Granted you are using my experience, as a 6 year old, I wanted to learn about God, I made the decision myself because not only I believe in God, but I uphold my faith in regards to what his Son, Jesus had taught, and likewise, the foremost commandment of which the law hangs concerning wisdom, is what I and many others take seriously.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

To be Unitarian, in your case, or to be Seven Day Adventist

It’s called Seventh Day Adventist. They are not Unitarians and or align themselves with Unitarianism of any kind, nor are they Restorationist, for they had since abandoned their Restorationist roots and uphold Trinitarianism and all things in connection to it. They themselves also brush over the Shema Yisrael Command, given to Moses by God; affirmed by Jesus and his followers.

For the sake of agreement, yes they originated from Restorationism at the peek of Christianity in America during the Great Awakening, but it only took a small amount of time for them to abandon Restorationist roots, as is with others. Also regardless of this, SDAs are against the Reformation.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

to be JW from such young age is good, firm platform that such individual will stay, in most, Member for Life Time in Particular Organized Religion, and that such Individual will not Changed his Religion when get older.

Free will (something else you also had a problem with regarding both Jesus and Peter, etc.). When a person reaches the age, they can make the choice to leave or to remain, likewise, to remaining living with loved ones, friends and or relatives, and or leaving, parting ways. I stated this before to you, one of which in that deceased Glasgow thread of yours.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Because such Individual already knows, from age 6, that Only his Religion is Only True One. And how SDA and JW are not True Religions. :))

Of course there is a different - do not be ignorant. An infant cannot make a decision to act upon something and or take action on practically things such as moving a chair to sit down, if hungry, taking what he or she seeks from the fridge and or pantry, the action and decision to understand that this so and so is his or her guardian and takes order from said guardian as well as ask said guardian for various things, an infant cannot do this.

A child, who is aware, can speak and able to understand can do what is mentioned above however, such as a 6-year-old, nowadays some as young as 4 or 5 can do these things, taken, they are raised right.

When it comes to reading the Word of God, a child can seek it should they choose, willingness to learn about God and so forth. The Bible makes it clear to pass on wisdom to the children concerning God (remember, something you yourself has laughed at). In Jesus’ day and before that, children were taught about who God is and learn about it, when Jesus was a boy, his people, including his human parents, Mary and Joseph, taught him about God. According to the Law of the Jews, the Jews, as soon as they can gain insight and understanding, capable of being vocal and so forth, adhere to learning about the God of Israel, for Jesus himself, even as a boy, he affirmed the Shema Yisrael Law, a Law given to Israel by God through Moses, and this command is followed, to observe, to teach, to recite, to read concerning the God of Israel. The Shema command is carried over into the New Covenant due to Jesus affirming this in the gospel of Mark and Matthew, and even Apostle Paul affirmed the Shema Command, which is followed to and taken seriously to this day.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If that is the case with Your Bible Unitarian Religion, would you like, have wish, that people here on this Forum, and other people, join You to be Unitarians? :))

Join me? Since when? And I really do not care of what they follow, my only concern is slander and stupidity, and utter shenanigans that demands a refutation, nothing more.

That being said, it is humorous to see you speak of Unitarianism, if the last time you assumed all of us are the same, as in accepting of interfaith ideologies that was never part of the church of the Christ, a mistake Butler paid when he used that same source. Alluding to such will reap nothing for you and it is evident by my own responses I am against the interfaith practices, and my absolute hatred for the Kairos Movement.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Or, Unitarianism allows people to be separated in various Religions that hold similar teachings and as such are close to /part of Restoration Movement Family? 

It depends, on what form of Unitarianism are you talking about. Unitarian Interfaith allows such to some degree, but what you have stated have nothing in conjunction with speaking a truth and speaking slander.

More so, as how we are, Biblical Unitarians, we take all things in total seriousness, especially concerning the history of things concerning the Bible and of God and his Son and many other things, a tap of ill information or a lie will irritate us and result in debate and or refutation if need be, a swift rebuke.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If some JW want to be Biblical Unitarian, what he have to do? What teaching of JW he would need to left, to change?

I care very little if JW wants to be changes their faith, for their decision is not with me, but with the one who has mold them and what is true to themselves as a single soul, let alone and or a Unitarian of any kind who wants a JW, perhaps a Gnostic, Calvinist, believer, agnostic, atheist, Muslim, or perhaps a toaster, etc. Anyone can jump into a faith and or religion and or following, but it does not hide the fact of stupid persons who dwell upon slander only to make themselves look like fools. Among all other things, the truth from the Bible itself proves factual over petty feelings on those who want to water down who God is and Jesus, more so, they would rely on cherry picking to do it.

That being said, a person who converts to any and or other faith, even a community, already makes the decision themselves of what they want to abide by because to them they know that it is the right path, be it positive and or negative.

19 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Does he have to be baptized again in your Church? 

What church are you talking about? The only true church is the one that Jesus has built, we in him, in union with him, he in union with us, his God in union with him and us. Dare I ask, have you skipped Matthew 16 and Acts 2?

I am awaiting your claim still, but you continue to evade what is making asked of you, like always, Srecko, more so, some of these things had already been answered concerning you.

That being said, speaking of you folk and baptism, a friend of mine who is a proclaimer of the message, Soulja of God, not to me confused with Solider, was the son of a father who has left his family, and a mother who is pretty much a prostitute. Long story short, if he had not learned about God, and what God’s message would convey, I would be seeing his tombstone rather than he himself. When he was 8, he learned about God when he got his hands on a Bible that was in Spanish, his native/birth language.

Although both our paths are different, we have one goal, and that goal is concerning God’s Kingdom, as well as speaking out against slander and hypocrisy, despite the fact he is more aggressive than I am concerning such, but clearly, concerning what the Bible teachings.

The good thing about being a man of God, you can to meet people as well as meet those want to learn of who God is but either never got the chance and or understand. Like Phillip, we teach and explain and they put the application, should they seek said information, be it man, woman or child, it is their decision and choice by means of their free will,  if they wish to accept.

So let's have it, about that claim of yours concerning baptism...

That is why it is best to make your own juice out of natural fruits vs. buying the processed ones, artificial silliness, etc.

Healthy choices benefits the soul, and it benefits a healthy lifestyle for the household. Also wise to keep the Fructose levels on a limit, if the goal is fat loss.

 

1 minute ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

So, when will Bill Clinton, who I understand took 27 trips to Epstein's sex Island on his private  Boeing 727 jet, "The Lolita Express", be indicted?

As soon as the skeletons come falling out of the closet, for all the dotted lines will eventually connect. Epstein was a sick, very sick person and an immoral pedophile. One way he can be tagged easily is by means of Epstein's collection of recordings, for Epstein not only had a tendency to record his victims, but also those who are on his island.

He says he knows nothing, for to quote a source, it is said, Former President Bill Clinton denied knowing anything about the “terrible crimes” allegedly committed by billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein. In a statement released Monday, Clinton said he took 4 trips with Epstein in 2002 and 2003: 1 to Europe, one to Asia and 2 to Africa.

That being said, we didn't forget about Clinton's siphoning, the death of Seth, Klaus and others, Ms. Beck sent into hiding, etc, and evidently it will come back to haunt him as the events with Epstein unfold.

12 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I think I know her.

She has a cat?

No no no... The person in question who was attacked is Independent Journalist Lauren Southern (Canadian). Her being attacked in Germany, as well as hunted down happen some years ago. The guy next to her is Tim "never removes his hat" Pool, he too was attacked, both Ms. Southern and Mr. Pool are speaking of said event.

 

3 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

What victory Monday? What Doors?

Jefferey Epstein has been arrested.

This is considered a victory for us Truthers because we have been speaking about this man for years now, especially when we witnessed the Sweet Heart Deal.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. What? Cannibalism?

The Baptism's origin in general began with ritual washing, to the Jews known as the Mikveh, to John the Baptist, it was more than baptizing people in regards to repentance of sin, it is more of passing from death unto life, as in biblical context can be seen from a bird's eye view of the Jordan River, as professed by a Hebrew Professor I had mentioned before.

I can go on in further detail, but I will keep it brief until I see Srecko's claim, which will evidently be lackluster when the Mikveh and what we see in the Didache can easily be used here, in conjunction with my response on child baptism, as well as being against infant baptism.

@BillyTheKid46 Exactly. Regarding what took place, the MSM has been concealing a bit of information regarding Epstein. No mention of the Sweet Heart Deal and how that turned out, let alone the fact the involvement of others.

Money talks, and always will, and the money is unclean, and the money Epstein has accumulated is a mystery, but we do have an idea.

But sadly, this man, who has thrown teenage girls into sexual immorality, even using said girls to recruit more because it is said he cannot get enough, will be shielded by the powers that be.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Yes, but my focus was on sexual abuse, forcible rape, etc. There is also a low to high ratio regarding a demographic, be it race, sex, location, etc. But it seems some people are too comfortable hiding underneath the rock they are sleeping under, not realizing what is going on in the world today. What makes this even more disgusting is the fact that the source was more direct towards pedophilia group known as NAMBLA, hence the video I linked to Butler who has gone off to the looney bin.

What I can dug up on this group, source says:

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion. The group no longer holds regular national meetings, and as of the late 1990s—to avoid local police infiltration—the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters. Around 1995, an undercover detective discovered there were 1,100 people on the organization's rolls. In 1997, NAMBLA was the largest group in IPCE, an international pro-pedophile activist organization. Since then, the organization has dwindled to only a handful of people, with many members joining online pedophile networks such as DanPedo, BoyChat, and Annabelleigh, according to Xavier Von Erck, director of operations at the anti-pedophile organization Perverted-Justice. As of 2005, a newspaper report stated that NAMBLA was based in New York and San Francisco.

This group is often overlooked because crimes against children in every nation runs rampant in every nook and cranky, in every institution. More so, there are those who seek to encourage relations with children as if to make it common, something that I spoke about briefly before concerning groups such as the LGBT community. In addition to that, those of us, me included, who speak up on the matter are shut down while they give so called praised to their young champions, and they do this when they take down one of our own, i.e. soph.

Statistics aside, these crimes are indeed vile, but the only thing we can do is teach and prevent, as well as show comfort and compassion by whatever we can give should we have to deal with the aftermath.

Good people are the ones who yield good results.

That being said. Rook, it is only going to get worse, especially the fact the victory we had this Monday will open doors, big doors.

47 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Space Merchant I called you out for being racist in that comment and I was right. You don't like that, tough on you SM.

Ok... One cannot be racist if they do not discriminate, and or attack said racist, as granted by the definition of racism/racist. Stating something factual granted by sources such as, let's say a second time, The FBI, another being Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention sources, and the like, all within the United States does adds to claim of the statement being true, for among all races, the demographics shows clarity of sex crimes being committed mostly by whom.

But in the end, as for everyone to see, it seems you consider the FBI racist, and the Child Abuse Prevention sources,  also racist with that depraved mindset of yours.

That being said, the need for you to even utter that just shows how absolutely triggered you are because of something stated that is 100% true regarding you.

51 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You call us 'white males' but you call yourself a 'man of colour'. That is so funny, and racist. If we are white males then you are a black male, live with it SM. 

Well of course, I was born as such, I do not toot a horn loudly because of it. Quoting a source that speaks of 80% of sexual crimes being down by Caucasian/white males is merely statistics regarding race, for not too long ago when we discussed demographics of church adherents, you yourself brought up race and sex. So why is it this time you are banging your head on the roof regarding such? Evidently attempting to recover after being exposed, it seems.

That being said, all statistically demographics mentioned, the age, race, sex, place of dwelling, etc, depending on what is there and what the onlooker is trying to look for, an example would be an educational institution, is it high in rank or low? how is the education? How many Hispanic/white/black/Asian/native students? And so forth. This same demographic is projected with sex crimes, even that of child abuse and the sex and or race of the abuser in certain areas, namely in question, the US. As far as I know, you do not even live in the US, granted the findings were solely in the US alone.

56 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

And I will use @TrueTomHarley logic here.  Tom says the only reason people know about the quantity of CSA in the JW Org is because it is recorded.

And your point? Even with recorded information people can twist the narrative, i.e. information exposed to said child so they realize what is happening to them.

I do not see you using Tom's logic because Tom is intelligent even to know what racism means, referring to a demographic that filters everything by race from highest to lowest concerning sex crimes does not make someone racist, as you claim, which further thickens the plot to your, dare I say, stupidity and ignorance in this regard.

58 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

So let's use that same idea with your accusing 'white males' of raping their children.

Accusing? I am merely following the findings of the FBI and Child abuse prevention sources concerning sex crimes against children, nothing more. You only stated this because yours sins, in this regard has found you out, Numbers 32:23 - your sin will find you out.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

How does anyone know quantity of 'white males' that rape their children ?

Sources such as the FBI, sources such as child abuse prevention sources. Not to mention, they also refer to who is targeted the most and how critical sex abuse crimes are in certain areas of the US, and other areas, for instance, as I told you before, it is far worse in the EU vs. the US due to high child grooming, pedo rings and what can be pulled from any research into the whole pizzagate dilemma.

All races are listed, from highest to lowest of course.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Because it is recorded.

True.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

How?

???

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Probably by the number of convictions.

How it is more than that, Butler, do the research.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

But, is it recorded about the number of black males that rape their children ?

Yes, but the statistics show them low in number, especially for sex crimes. They are close to native Americans and Hispanics.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

OR, do black people not report it, or, do they deal with it themselves ? 

All races deal with it themselves and or report it. So that in of itself is a silly question to ask. There is however, vigilante justice, some of them going about it the wrong way, committed by all persons however.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You see there is no proof that more 'white males' rape their children, only proof of more reports or more convictions. Besides which it seemed important to you to make a point of 'white males'.

Actually there is, 80%, according to the FBI in relation to sexual crimes.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Not random, just you blocking it out of your mind.

I do not listen to anything that has swearing, cussing, etc. I do this for Bible-wise reasons, as well as cultural reasons, so if it is explicit, I do not stick around to listen. Likewise to Joseph and Potiphar's wife, regarding music, I do the same.

I take my faith seriously, so anything that will hinder it, I avoid.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

The fact that you didn't like a black man MAKING THE POINT about black men raping their own children in their own community.

I know the point regarding rape and sex crimes in the US and other parts of the world, but I do not listen to content with explicit in order to gain said message.

You can do whatever you please, Butler, go for it, but I follow the Bible. To quote you: Spiritual Wisdom.

At least now we see who is putting your own words into application.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You are soooo funny SM. 

Probably because I am?

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You have no idea what JW's listen to.

And I care why? A a single JW listening to profanity filled banter does not define all of them. But you continue to put everyone into one basket, ignoring the fact you made a mockery of a 16 year old kid.

Hypocrisy on your part, Butler.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

25 years ago, time whizzes past. Anyway my wife was studying the Bible with two young ladies. These young ladies were Pioneers, full time ministers of God. One of their favorite songs was  Queen singing Bohemian Rhapsody.

And my sense of care is at an absolute 0... Granted to a single person does not define the masses.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

The band Queen. Lead singer was a transvestite homosexual.

Tell me something I do not know.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Song words 'Mama just killed a man, put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger now he's dead'  Then it goes on about the devil and more.  So is that 'clean music' ?

I think you answered your own question. But the fact you listen to unclean music puts you in this category.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Next :  I was at a JW gathering and I had to ask them to stop listening to, and singing along to a song. The words  were 

'I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby'  Now is that clean music ? 

And yet a single JW in the US does not define the masses. You are stepping o legos with your silliness, John.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

The 2 Pac song had a message and meaning to it.

Ok. But if the meaning contains profanity and slurs, you listen to it anyways as God watches you?

Tell me John, is listening to music that contains profanity just or unjust?

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

But you are too blind to see. 

Not really.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I won't even bother to read any more of your comments SM.

Ok.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I can tell you are racist and unbalanced.

The FBI must be racist then. Either that or you are as dense as the stone ruins of Babylon.

 

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You think you know much more than most other people and you think you are more intelligent.  

Learning and doing research does not make me superior to anyone. Because I am on the right path concerning the fight against child abuse and you are not does not make me above anyone.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Black or white SM, you are just another man on this big Earth. 

Yes, I am just a man. A man of God.

That being said, go educate yourself on what racism is. You are only lashing out because of what was mentioned of you, i.e. you mocking a teenager.

I also suggest you do more research on sex crimes in the United States, do this first before you research the UK and the EU because here, for all to see, you are as ignorant as Esau in this sense.

6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Since there is no scriptural support whatsoever for Baptizing small children, and we do it anyway .... why not baptize our pet dogs? 

Actually there is, to anyone who is a hearer or professing the word, who is capable of understanding such, can seek baptism as an acknowledgment that so and so is committing to doing the work for God our Father and take up the teachings of the teacher, or in this case, alluding to the history of baptism, The one who is baptized takes up the teachings of the teacher and so forth, do the same with disciples under them, and their household, the teacher in question is Jesus.

6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Did not the Scriptures say that after Jesus left, wolves would enter in among the flock .... and are not dogs just domestic wolves?

Yes, and it is reasons as such Baptismal Regeneration exist as well as infant baptism, in addition, sprinkle of water when Scripturally, and even in the Didache, you are to submerge the one who sought baptism.

 

As is was done in the days of the Jews into the days of the Christians to this very day, it must be done.

6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Probably best to start with Golden Retrievers that like to jump in the water to get shotgunned ducks.

Animals cannot preach the gospel, understand and learn about God let alone teach it.

One who is to be baptized understands the word of God, they understand the teachings of his Son as well as understand what God's Kingdom will do, and they will profess the gospel truth itself. As far as I know, animals cannot do this.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

... well, your religion, also as WT Society, not follow Jesus' example about baptism of mature  individuals (men and women). Your religion support baptism of under age kids, and, as to my knowledge, that is in opposition to Bible examples on this issue, in fact it is in opposition made by Jesus' example. It seems how your religion is deviate in this (and perhaps in some other subjects) as many others too. So, your religion is similar to Roman Catholic church and JW's in this  theological "truth" :)) even without my mental gymnastic contribution on issue :))

And yet you have no evidence to your claim? The irony of such is you left out the history of the baptism, which proves to me, once again, you cannot hold your own if the the discussion is about something biblical and or regarding the Bible.

 

And no, that is an idiotic response, granted with what I had stated on occasion already:

Do know nothing about following Jesus' example, granted with various comments coming from you, even shot down lessons of the Christ and God's own followers, for you to speak of understanding what the teachings profess shows stupidity on your part when you strongly lack.

That being said, no baptism history or origin and no mention of the Didache, not to mention the laws all profess of which given to them by God; I am giving you a chance to redeem yourself before you make a total fool of yourself, Screko. lol

And also, Roman Catholics baptize infants, who cannot profess their faith or their belief in God.

On 7/7/2019 at 10:19 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

... and we all know historically how the Germans love to pay back, when you give them an opportunity ...

Sounds like they are selling the debt so when it defaults, 1.) plausible deniability, and 2.) the phone can be disconnected, so to speak.

...same thing with the publications you mentioned..

Blame it on the Germans!

 

Come now now, not all Germans are like this. The actions of a few does not define the masses, Rook. That is like saying all of Modern Day is Israel is for Benjamin Netanyahu (The man who is hates and is scared of Iran) when a good percentage of the Israelis are against him and do not support him, yet the MSM defines all regardless.

That being said, regarding Germans, this comment reminds me of a situation in Hamburg back in 2017, again, good Germans who were against the bad Germans, with a few Westerners caught in the middle, one notable Canadian has to turn her shirt inside out and braid her hair while hiding to remain incognito.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

which group you belong to

Yes, thanks, again :))

But You did not tell me, again  :)) which Restoration Group You belong to? Under what banner You are? 

Banner? No group as far as I know do not have a banner expect those who use the pagan images which spouts idolatry.

And I had told you before, you ask again because that is all that you are limited to.

That being said, under Unitarianism, I am a Biblical Unitarian, born into, baptized into at 6, raised, etc. one who takes into account the study of Theology, which also includes the study of Restorationism due to the fact that they originated in Christendom by means of the Great Awakening in the 1900s. You've addressed this several times, in one instances you even put into question as to why I study and do research on other faiths, for I do such due to people who slander and those who twist what the Bible teaches.

Unitarians, well the Biblical Unitarians are Semi-Restorationist, due to the fact what we professed is traced back to the teachings of the apostles and the church, something of which I addressed before in my original and first debate/discussion I had here with the Trinitarians twisting things about the Council of Nicaea, for we believe in pre-existence Jesus, and we are not fans of the King James version of the Bible.

That being said, out of mere prediction, you will ask this same question, as is others, months from now.

@Srecko Sostar The sources explains Restorationist, and the question you asked as been posed before, 4 times I believe. Restorationism is more so dealing with the early church itself and abiding by what the church of the Christ as taught.

Interfaith is the fact of unifying all religions under one banner, something that is what we are suppose to be against, for Washing DC 2016 is a hellish reminder of such.

9 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Of course, they can. It’s the inability of an adult's mental state to think they can’t. In today’s world of sex everywhere, there is no limit what society is teaching children. If it happened back in the 80s as experiments, it done as a challenge in today’s world.

https://hiphopnc.com/5482130/5-year-old-students-get-caught-having-sex-in-school-bathroom/

https://famguardian.org/Subjects/SexualImmorality/Fornication/Abstinence.htm

This world is once again reverting, back to its carnal stages of old, when there was no such thing as consequences or morality. It started with angels seeking mortal women.

Ironically, the more adults talk about sex, rape, child abuse, the less they understand child physiology, child prostitution, and child slavery (Trafficking). Missing and exploited children.

 

The thing is, as much as we fight against it, those in support of teaching the children sexual immorality will attack us for it, reasons why we take the alternative root to educate and train both children and adults to flee from ill sexual desires and influences. One thing I mentioned before is Gang Stalkers, whereas their goal is to influence and sway their victims into sexual interaction and or intercourse, evidently out of wedlock, and for those who are dating and or are married, adultery. For example, let's say Gang Stalkers converted to the JW faith, for their intent will not be in the faith community, but any sexual partners they can influence, which leads to sexual immorality if the target in question is subdued by said influence. Gang Stalkers in this regard do not care if someone in your house has deceased, they do not care if anyone you know is injured badly, they think of one thing and one thing only. Then you have those in today's society enlisting and recruiting young ones, young girls being targets.

That being said, people use to mock older brothers and even fathers for protecting their daughters, but such ones do not see as to why we do this, why we act as a barrier between them and those who eat and drink at the table of those who sees immorality as something that is "ok and fine" in their eyes. These people are living in slander and do not know the taint they consume on the daily basis by means of today's so called voices to preach immorality.

A bit of off topic because this was one fight that us Truthers fought in and gain victory over the truth.

Also, the Truthers have achieved absolute victory yesterday! The very man we had spoken about for years, time and time again as the MSM continues to shield him, the many times rich people defended him, even judges and the like. But yesterday we have won, and can not go pass the door of which we have been trying to access to take-down more foolish sadist persons who had tormented and manipulated young girls, branding them as prostitutes and nothing more. Mind you, as much I do not side with Alex Jones, he was right about such 20 years ago. But even today, this is just a won battle because the MSM not only now speaks on Mr. Jeffery Epstein, they are hiding critical information in which we Truther's are pushing out. Alan Dershowitz is the step door in this battle to exposed more vile persons in this case.

 

In short, we Truthers, the very ones mocked for speaking about Jeffery Epstein in the past, are now seeing justice. But still, the powers that be and the political global mafia, coupled with corrupted persons in justice gave this man not only a sweet heart deal prior, but they will try to make his punishment less painful apparently. But this is just a step into exposing more vile persons because this man was the biggest fish in the sea for us for these past few years. They're also afraid to give this guy bail, and they made quite the discovery at his NY place of dwelling.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Truly, truly I say to thee, very wise words

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

A bit of a racist comment i think SM. 

I find this rather odd coming from a man who, not only mocked a blood relative of a teenager (judged him when you [Butler] said you do not judge without knowing), but attempt to mock him by means of what he has experienced and used Ebonics in a form of mockery against said teenager.  Even before that you made a comment about one's in the feeling of inferiority because of said color of person's skin when the person merely made a remark of specific ethnic groups adhere to Scripture.

Do not be a hypocrite, Butler because it only takes a single quote, a single link, to exposed your hypocrisy in this regard which is very high and quite visible should the situation calls for it.

Now, do you even know what racism even is let alone what it means? Allow me to educate you. Racism by definition is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. The secondary definition would be the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Stating something straight from either statistics and or the FBI, as well as Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention sources, does not make one racist (granted you are ignorant of the term).

Truly, that statement of mine is indeed true, 100%, (I paraphrased it from the information we have available to us regarding such). The majority of pedophiles who commit child abuse, the majority are Caucasian/White Males (Heterosexuals), majority of them being fathers, uncles, brothers, etc. What I did not mention, purposely, is this is the case also with persons who identified themselves as gay (Homosexuals), who, again, majority being Caucasian/White Males who are the very ones in the high mark who commit said crimes of child abuse.

I know you hate demographics because at times it makes you visibly appear foolish, for no one has to see you in person, but can see this through your reaction by means of your response, more so, you once claim you knew a lot about what is going on in the US, alluding to the fact, but the fact you are unaware of this, shows ignorance, on your part, and I haven't even mentioned EU or the UK yet, in addition, it further brings to question now your past comments regarding abuse in other nations of which you claim you were aware of. For it speaks for itself, this is not counting the rich and the power who partake in pedophile rings, human sex trafficking, etc.

Next time, before you make ignorant response perhaps do some in-depth research first regarding these things in the United States. Because stupidity will only yield someone to refute you very easily, and even outside Bible discussion and Christendom, it seems you lack here also, and make silly comments towards someone who has been a Truther in reading into this stuff for a very long time.

80% is indeed a big number on Non-Hispanic Caucasian/White Males regarding pedophilia and forcible rape, child abuse in conjunction with one another, for even that of a father and or uncle in the US who commits such. Hispanics, Blacks, and other groups fall behind in this regard.

That being said, those who really fight against this stuff are aware of such, which proves my point of people, such as yourself, who are merely keyboard warriors who have never been in such a fight against child abuse pedophilia at all. Lastly, I did you a favor, here is the word Racism in the dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

Also, 2 Pac? for what? And absolutely random (and speaking about infants, it seems you are unaware of the baby situation in the US too if we were to discussion this). I find it hilarious you even linked that video and everyone is now aware you like your music that isn't clean, which is a direct call back to when I brought forth God's Word concerning you and the profaning/defilement of your mouth, let this be a reminder:

If you have children, I hope their mouths are as clean as yours, as well as their ears. Granted, if you even had the care to teach such lessons while tooting the horn of spiritual wisdom of yours.

On 7/7/2019 at 12:42 AM, Witness said:

You're over the top.  Sex change?  Really?  

No, not over the top. The first time I refuted said individual on such he still ran with it, even alluding to it in the very discussion where you were included, and ins aid discussion you both were one 1-UPing each other when the both of you spoke falsehood and deception.

@Anna Check this out, one of the reasons a lot more people are having their children homeschooled.

 

This speaks for itself. And yes, some instances of such is taking place even in the West, the US granted the Bible itself is being viewed more as a form of hate speech by such ones like those on the left/right, sjws, and a list of others:

I can only find videos regarding the student, one video from someone not in the West, the other of someone in the West.

 

Do not know if anyone is aware of this because it has not been mentioned.

The Kairos Movement will never prevail.

 

7 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

So SM says it is ok to use  " Yahweh, Jehovah, Yeovah, Ieovah, Yahuh, Jahweh, etc. They all point back to YHWH. " and you do not disagree. Whereas if I said it, you would make a mountain out of it. 

That is because what I stated was pulled from a credible source. Mainly if you understand Translation and Transliteration. In your case, you lack understanding in Translation granted the whole situation with a fisherman's garment some months back.

Anyways, the source in question is Mr. Nehemiah Gordon and the Bible Team

Also Yahuh is Arabic form of YHWH