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Satan the Devil, God's Adversary, and the resister, the slander, he will be made no more when the time comes, and all who continue to side with him. God will make sure no enemy roam about, be it man or spirit, for all such will be made no more, wiped away from existence by means of destruction prepared for them.
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This has kept me in quite a few discussions and debates in the last couple of days, coupled with the events taking place in the religious space. As someone who is a truther, something bad will happen. They had spoken slander of this man since the day of his arrest on the MSM, for the disdain and hate is there.
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On 4/13/2019 at 9:12 AM, Matthew9969 said:
I was just wondering, how can anyone abstain from blood when their bodies are full of it?
That's kind of a baseless question.
The blood that flows in your body is in you, your own blood. The context of what is said in the Bible is to abstain from blood be it from living things, i.e. man or beast, in addition, blood is life. It should not be consumed and or anything that allows such to be part of you in any way.
In this sense, one must not take in blood, likewise to some of the religious, even the non-religious follows this regarding certain folks. The people from the country of one of my parents would not give or receive because they take abstaining from blood very seriously for cultural reasons, and if religious, religious reasons, and a list of other things.
That being said, the only blood that is of high importance is that of the Lord, and what it signifies.
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On 4/24/2019 at 8:57 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:
Wow are they lowering the standards as they are rapidly losing members ?
Or is this normal attire for where ever this is ?
As of last time of which I had posted the number of adherents, they've went from 8.45 adherents to 8.58 million adherents. So slander about adherent numbers is of your own folly.
On 4/24/2019 at 4:15 PM, Outta Here said:How patronising can you get?
At this point he may as well suggest people to where nothing but their undergarments, but a plot twist to this situation, this he may be against too because clothing suddenly makes one a villain of some sort.
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Regarding child abuse, it is very common that someone of the household is the culprit in this case. Then again, most cases it is as such.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. Probably perhaps the Second Coming of Christ to rid the world of all that is bad has not started yet? Satan, his demons and all that pertains to him still exist. You still have people suffering and dying on the earth and so forth whereas the Bible tells you that God, by means of sending his chosen one, Christ Jesus, will rid the world of such things. It will come to a point whereas you seek all around you and no trace of badness will be on the face of the earth.
That being said, the concept here of which you process is Jesus' Kingship itself. As some would say, Jesus is just getting ready to come in the name of his father, therefore God's people, who are God fearing and students of the teacher, are waiting for that time to come. Reasons why you have people verily, verily vigilant and enduring in the End Time Tribulations.
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@Srecko Sostar Your next problem is the fact that such practices is drawn from the Bible itself. How can you correlate such with what you have said here? For I believe last time you confused yourself without anyone stating a word.
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21 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
@Space Merchant and the young boy, where are you both. Forum police.
Forum Police? Care to explain? Kid and everyone else speaks their peace. As far as all things concerning you about 95% of the time, you tend to interject something into a topic that tends to be unrelated. Also you tend to be the type of person that has no problem pushing the buttons of others, but when such is done either directly or indirectly to you, you show a reaction, in some cases, a bit whiny, in this sense. This is the same case you regarding judgement, whereas you make the claim of others, but when you do it, it is ok, therefore, people can and will call you out for it. Elsewhere, there are people, unrelated to this thread as a whole, that is out for your head, reasons why I refrain from what they had said about you because those Christians do not like to be mocked and or insulted, in which you alluded to in one of your responses before. All I can say is that some had color languages for such ones like you who think they cannot be helped.
That being said, to even paraphrase what you said before, forums and or social spaces is a place where everyone gets involved, this also includes Facebook.
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One thing for certain. There are those who say they are of the church of the Christ, but behind the mask that they where, they insert tradition of men and defile God's justice, order and structure and what he is all about, and what his son was all about. Such ones will say they are Christians and yet they do not do any self sacrifice regarding God at all.
When it comes to being in union with the Christ, you can see such by the fruits produce by true ones and the foil pesticide laced fruit produced by those that think they are Christians.
That being said, the non-religious themselves can tell who is really of God and his Christ and who is not within this world of hate in the days of the end times.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. Careful with CCleaner because there was a situation regarding a wrong download that contained malware, well hidden by hackers.
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Within Christianity, there tend to be three major views of the place of excommunication:
[1] We shouldn’t excommunicate anyone, because it’s not merciful.
[2] We should excommunicate, because we want to purify the Church of the damned.
[3] We should excommunicate, because it’s merciful to sinners.
So which of these views is the one endorsed by Scripture? Number three. In fact, the first two are rejected outright within the Bible itself.To those who fall into the first camp, who reject the place of excommunication within New Testament Christianity, I would point you to Jesus’ words in Matthew 18:15-18,
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jesus is solemnly entrusting the Church with the power to bind and loosen, and this is closely tied with the Church’s ability to excommunicate unrepentant sinners. And it’s more than just an ability. Jesus actually instructs it as the appropriate course of action to be taken in the case of certain unrepentant sinners. They are be ostracized, in the way that the Jews of the time treated Gentiles and tax collectors.
St. Paul, writing in Romans 16:17, similarly instructs: “I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.”
So excommunication is Biblical, but it’s easy to understand why some people are uncomfortable with it, and find it contrary to mercy. After all, some of the noisiest defenders of excommunication defend it for the wrong reasons. As Rex Edwards of Columbia Union College wrote back in 1976:
EXCOMMUNICATION has been regarded by ecclesiastics as the ultimate disciplinary measure. As a “weapon” it has been conspicuous for its abuse. It has been employed as a penalty, often plunging the defendent into a situation of abysmal irreversibility. Luther in his “Discussion of Confession” emphasizes the punitive aspect of excommunication, while Calvin declares it to be a public ecclesiastical censure for the purpose of purification.
But excommunication isn’t treated as punitive in Scripture, and the idea that we are the ones who will purify the Church is actually an idea condemned by Jesus in Matthew 13:24-29,
Another parable he put before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the householder came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he said, ‘No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
So the servants of the Lord want to go and try to purify His Kingdom by separating out the wicked from the righteous, but Jesus stops them from doing so, since their attempts to do so would surely result in unjustly condemning the righteous. Instead, He tells them to let the weeds grow alongside the wheat until the harvest. When the Disciples ask what this means, He explains (Mt. 13:40-43):
Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
So it’s the job of the angels, not us, to purify the Church. And they’re going to do it at the Last Judgment, not now. In other words, the entire Protestant attempt to create a holy Church by creating a Church of only the righteous, of only the saved, failed from the start because Christ told them not to do it.
All of this is to say that creating a “wheat-only” Church isn’t why we excommunicate. And yet, we are to excommunicate. So if that isn’t the reason, what is?
For the good of sinners.
Scripture is quite clear on this. When St. Paul writes the Church in Corinth, he’s aghast that they are letting a man openly engage in a sexual relationship with his other stepmom. In fact, they had become proud of what they apparently thought of as their tolerance and mercy. St. Paul rebukes them for this, writing (1 Corinthians 5:1-5):
It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
He goes on to issue a general call for excommunication (1 Corinthians 5:9-13):
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.”
So St. Paul clearly doesn’t fall into the “don’t excommunicate” camp, and he’s not impressed with the false tolerance of those who do.
But notice why he calls for the man’s excommunication. He orders him to be delivered to Satan “that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” In other words, you publicly condemn the man for the same reason you would tell a student that he’s failing: not to write him off, but to let him know that he needs to get his act together while there’s still time. Better to be condemned now and repent, than to be indulged in your sins now and condemned at the Last Judgment.
And note well, St. Paul’s tough love worked. Or at least, so it seems from his follow-up letter to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 2:5-11):
If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you to some extent—not to put it too severely. The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient. Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him. Another reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything. Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.
There’s a time to shame the sinning man, and there’s a time to comfort him so he isn’t overwhelmed by his shame and sorrow. In other words, the excommunication was medicinal, it was for his good. Rather than looking on the sinning man as an enemy of the Church, Paul looked on him as an erring brother who needed to be rebuked to be brought back in line.
And Paul lays this model of Church discipline out succinctly in 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14-15:
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. […] If any one refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.
That’s a perfectly clear endorsement of the third of the three ways that I laid out above: excommunicate, but out of love, not an attempt to create a perfectly-pure Church.
So there it is: the basic case for why we should (and why we shouldn’t) excommunication.
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On 4/5/2019 at 5:24 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:
Explain please
Compare what was said here and look up "biblical facts" in the search here, to which I went in depth of sometime ago which is relation to what the thread creator is conveying. Those who think they know God's Law, are usually the ones to will speak of a prophet's words of mere opinion and interject a concept that was never practiced by the first century Christians.
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Now there's a contradiction.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. @Srecko Sostar @Anna As someone who has been doing things in the realm of IT, McAfee is something that is not easy to uninstall.
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5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
I do not like getting involved in conversation with you as it is so clear that you do not understand my English way of writing things.
I understand you, but you have a sense on interjecting things into a situation and assume things to quickly with very little information.
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Firstyl, any reference to 'Kid' is not reference to you. It is reference to Billy the Kid.
Well you should have been much more clearer next time. If you do not quote people it will lead to such responses such as this. Because the other times where you reference a response to be without quoting, you made the response direct to me by merely saying SM. To which half the time I made comment of that.
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Secondly, if i don't 'tag' you it's because I am just including you in a comment not talking directly to you. You have often included me as Butler in comments.
How hard is it to simply use half a second to click the icon? It's simple, one click @JOHN BUTLER
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Thirdly, please look at the heading of this topic. it is about Jehovah's Witnesses and their Kingdom Halls.
In the United States. Not only the title says such, but the article itself points to it and where the crimes are being committed.
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:am not generalising about ALL religions.
But you generalize the people and make assumptions out of mere speculations. There is already those of the county who make speculations of the LGBTQ community regarding such.
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:I honestly don't care about other religions.
You will soon have to. There is a problem in which you deem is unclean, a problem in which effects you in someway, there should be a sense of care, regardless. You said it best, Butler, earth-wide. And it is not just religion, it is in every aspect of such a sense. The problem is not within the Jehovah's Witnesses, but of others also, not even us Unitarians, regardless of denomination, are immune either.
6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:My points are only about JW's
But you are jumping to conclusions when we do not really have a whole lot of people, just like those who were quick to jump to homosexuality, which seems to be the case with what took place months ago regarding a cake.
6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Forth, The damaging of these building belonging to JW's does coincide with the investigations Earthwide into the whole JW religion.
We can see that by the article, Butler. The time frame tells us there has been previous linked attacks against their church, which is why some would deem it as a religious hate crime in some degree.
6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Enough, my points are made.
Points or speculation without legitimate fact? Follow the story and eventually it will piece itself together.
6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:I do not think we will ever understand each other or ever agree with each other
I had agreed with some points you made in the past, you did the same in my case, but using a based assumption and or speculation to a situation that has little to no information is kind of jumping the gun. And time and time again people had spoken up about religious activity in the US, especially when it comes to Christians alone. Being ignorant of what is going on shows when people use little discernment, especially with the fact we had that whole fiasco with the black flag years ago and what came after that. Reasons why Christians are vigilante, and they are aware of such things.
6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:but I wish you a good day.
The same to you, Butler. I strongly advise you look into religious hate crimes in the United States. The more you know the better. An optional thing for you to do is to look into the statistics of such things, perhaps going back 2015 to now.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. All that because someone allegedly bought wine? Remembrance of our Lord is, literally, around the corner.
At this point you can expect someone to dress up as Jesus buying wine somewhere.
That being said, how else did such ones prep for the Lord's day before if this is something new?
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. Situations like this are not to be joked. Mainly with the recent discussion I had elsewhere. Other than that, people tend to and willfully can take justice into their own hands if need be. A time will come where that would on an increased level and actions will be done in a way that does not require any thinking at all in which consequence after consequence will ensue. This reasons why you have some folks who teach others, their kids, etc to not 100% trust someone, especially someone who may become physical at some point with you.
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On 4/2/2019 at 10:31 AM, Anna said:
Yes, very true. But when he/they (the "vigilantes") get caught they will be punished.
Most of the time they never get caught. The only chance is if someone is aware of their actions and so forth, that gets your foot in the door for seeking clues, especially when people tend to sometime uses the social space to indirectly solve things.
On 4/2/2019 at 10:31 AM, Anna said:The authorities aren't going to be interested in the reasons why they did this. So eventually they will lose out.
That is also true. Then again if it does go from minor to major, especially if an action causes death(s), they they would be hardpressing on finding out who the person(s) are, go about seeing what he or she has bought to contribute to the arson, motives, etc.
On 4/2/2019 at 10:31 AM, Anna said:In any case, saying this is because of child abuse is just speculation. We really don't know....
Exactly, we do not know, but many are leaning on to hate crimes, especially with what is going on with Christendom on both sides today, or in this case 2018 to now and onward. Somehow, some have factored in the LGBQT community. Reason? Probably because of the stance that most Christians have. It could be other reasons, race, sex, background of a person and or group, the language they speak, some would even be set off for the fact that they have a total disdain for a person who goes to the church, or maybe they don't like the fact the church is not unisex in terms of religious office and go about attacking the church just because, other instances, someone gets his or her jollies out of watching things burn, sadly enough.
That being said, it is only going to get worse and eventually, someone is going to get hurt, be it a church goer of the faith or someone of the community.
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On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:
Oh what a laugh you two give me.
What is a laugh here is you never link me directly when you want to respond to him in hopes I do not see you are referring to him.
That being said, you never take the things seriously, so with little discernment you not knowing what is really going on in the West, one can see where you stand and the expressed ignorance in all the sense.
You do this in order to ensure I do not see "SM" mention at times. But be as thou, I am here and I had read.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:SM. Quote "Christians will always be a primary target ... " You are totally missing the point here SM.
This is an example of you not knowing on how things are going on in the West. There was a point in time where a flag flag was raised against Christians of any kind, and a inverted cross was bring paraded across the streets and talks that were made that would make a faithful man shake his knees. You have to realize the things going on here, and the fact that you do not shows you are not vigilante when the Bible informs us to be vigilant, John.
And if we have to be honest, crime has been running rampant on your end in the EU vs. here.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:It may not be Christians that it is aimed at, it could well be Pedophiles that are hidden in the JW Org by their GB. So it might be aimed at the whole JW Org which supports the pedophilia within it.
Christians are targeted by several groups and or lone wolves in the US. Pedophilia is everywhere and this isn't the sole purpose of someone going to attack a church and or a mosque, sometimes they just don't like someone i.e. they do not like the idea of a pastor of a certain race teaching people or the fact an elder or two were not American born and for that reason they must suffer, others do not like what you said for i.e. the high school students in which some people on the news, jumping to conclusion, proclaimed violence and death on to a teenager who had no idea what is taking place. Someone, if they wanted, can shoot up a church because they do not like the idea of people professing their faith, they do not like the Bible, or maybe the fact that the church does not adhere to far-Left/Right ideologies, even that of gay marriage, which sparks hate. Influence is also harbored publicly and in the online space, which promotes action to be taken by some folks. No one attacks a church for a single problem, if that was the case, other institutions would be up in flames for a problem that dates back to ancient times. You are very simple-minded when it comes to this stuff, let alone the ordeal of what Christians face in the US alone, to some extent, some things I had seen and endured myself.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:And Kid. Quote "How do 2 wrongs make a right? " They don't. Just like pedophilia is wrong and so is hiding it in the JW Org. Two wrongs.
Everyone knows pedophilia is wrong and it is a problem. It's everywhere, not in a lone place. Pedophiles even are in video games, they are on YouTube, apps that teens use, etc. You think people are oblivious to the problem when you yourself were not on the fence for solutions to teach, but rather go about things aimlessly?
I am no kid, so do not refer to me as such, you are grown, show some respect. If one has to be honest, mainly regarding you, then spiritually, you are a toddler, in this sense, which can be seen by you wanting to gain wisdom, but in your honest words unable to know how to gain said wisdom.
AS I told you before in which you purposely ignore, JWs are not perfect humans, they are just as imperfect as both you and I. They are not immune to the sin that take place in the world and they do not magically know who is a pedophile, nor are all of them 100% equip to combat the issue, not even businesses and schools are equipped.
You preached before that pedophilia is a earth-wide problem, but suddenly you spark the ignorance and isolate it to a sole group, dare I ask, where were you when Austin was going after teenagers on YouTube? Nowhere and yet you speak of a problem you bear no solutions for. Open your eyes, John, because time and time again you have been told. Speaking about Austin, one of the teens he tried to subdue, her parents taught her right, they educated her on the issues beforehand because solutions like this prevent young ones from becoming an easy victim to the predator.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:And again quote " These actions are not with a set of moral code, but rather the actions of hateful and deranged mind orchestrated out of HATE, nothing more. "
And that is the problems Christians face in the US, which is 100% the chance. This is factored in with influence where the attacker takes in the message of those who speaks against someone and or something in a negative light, and is on the extreme about it. In this case, there are those out there that will preach that the Bible promotes war and Christians are out to purge and or take out the common man, this kind of influence will push a listener to take action, another negative action is that a deranged person believes in the falsehood of people going to heaven and thinks that attacking to kill someone is a just cause deemed by the influence he follows.
Things of that nature is reasons why some social spaces are monitored and people make a report of such findings because someone can come up with the most insane and absurd accusations whereas a listener can deem it as a truth to commit harm and or action, in his or her eyes, a just cause.
That being said, it is and will most likely be ruled out as a hate crime, this isn't new. Influence to which a listener is commit to take such action, and so forth.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:So what is pedophilia the actions of ? Where is the moral code of Elders that rape and sexually abuse young children, sometimes even their own children ? Those elders and other pedophiles in the JW Org must have deranged minds.
Do you have evidence of the attacker acting upon this notion? No? Or is it the fact you commit to a sole issue, not knowing the full details of what is seen and deemed a hate crime by most, even by some who speak for their county? Not all of them are pedophiles, just as not all persons of a sex, race and or other are of a specific category in which most people portray such ones to be. If a guy in the UK beats people up and ends up getting arrested for it, his actions does not define you although the two of your live in the same country.
A church member can build a house with a hammer, another uses it to kill someone. Both uses the hammer as a tool, the one who is deemed a murderer, his actions does not define everyone else.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:Maybe the GB and Bethal 'bosses' also have deranged minds, reading all the reports about sexual abuse of children and not reporting any of it the police or authorities.
You do realize the hate stems from those who influence to incite aggressive and physical behavior towards a group? Why would leaders of a faith community influence their own to attack their own churches? Friendly Fire much? If we can learn anything from the ARC, we should not forget out one person "learned" about child abuse and "how" she learned about it.
The guardians of a victim can be vocal and go to law enforcement themselves, they do not have to wait on a pastor, a teacher, and or other to do it for them, for most of the time such ones have little involvement due to bystander syndrome. I posted a story before regarding someone who did take action and ended up losing his life, and the victims family suffered as well.
That being said, child abuse and neglect notes that if one adult is of little to no help,ask another adult, unless somehow they are not wrong in your eyes. You have to also factor in the law int his instances whereas in some states it is mandatory to report vs. others.
A side from that, you have no idea that pedophilia has anything to do with the case, but you keep using that as your focal point, jumping to conclusions. This is the same mentality I had to deal with regarding those about the situation that took place in New Zealand.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:Maybe this destructive action was done by those who have been abused and families of those abused.
You just insisted and now you say this? If you were not sure, why jump to your own claim and speculation as a truth? Clearly unwise, and it shows you are unaware of the religious hate crimes that actually do take place in the US, probably around the world.
That being said, somehow others, who also agrees as this to be a hate crime, are oddly enough factoring in the LGBTQ community, and one can see why for JWs, and others, are not fans of homosexuality, this is no surprise in the wedding cake situation we had months ago where people were up in arms.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:I wouldn't do it, but everyone is different.
Then allude to defining everyone as a whole into one in your last statement? You are speaking in odd sounds that is deemed alien.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:You have to remember how long pedophilia has been going on in the JW Org and also other forms of abuse in same. And the hurt that shunning causes, and being disfellowshipped for no good reasons.
Pedophilia is everywhere, today and onward it will forever be here until God corrects the problem. Even if you rewind back to ancient times, it existed. You cannot stop something this grand, only God can, the only thing you can do is advise to solutions to prevent and remedy small instances, and have countermeasures in place should something happen.
If that is the case, become an anti-Pauline - problem solved. Most mainstreams have already rejected commandments, some form of teachings, and or other, even going as far as to adhere to the lifestyle on par of a charismatic preacher. If the such is indeed too great for you, take the exit strategy as others have, but do not fret when someone calls you out for cherry picking the Scriptures.
A real man of God is a man who understands that sins, big and small, exist in the world. These sins can effect all communities even a household, but at the end of the day, that same man believes, with strong intent, that God would make things right and because of that his faith is as great as sea, and in the end, God will make sure all that causes the man to weep, to feel hurt, etc will be done away with, tossed to the fire and be destroyed, for what aches mankind, what aches this man, will be no more.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:Please don't 'kid' yourself that this is anti-christian
You really want to take that bet, John? You should be asking yourself, to not kid yourself when you have no idea of what has happens and what is happening regarding faith groups in the US. That black flag will also be a symbol of what went down. Bible verses being prohibited by some, we do not forget that, and those who hate Christians and or the Bible, we know what such ones are willing to do.
That being said, clearly you see an arson crime being done to a faith community that has done nothing at all to anyone in that county.
Ignorance sure is blissful when you have no idea, huh.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:when it's more likely anti-pedophilia and anti-GB / Elders actions.
So how do you know it is regarding pedophilia in the timeline of the arson when you or anyone else do not have that information? For if it was pedophilia as you say, wouldn't other institutions go down in flames by action of arson as well?
Disliking religious leaders does not mean actions should be taken out on adherents of the faith, God forbid if there were men, women and children who were there and perished by the flames. Ill intent actions begets consequences and problems for everyone, even those not involved.
On 4/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:Or do you think it is coincidence that it is happening at the same time that JW Org is being investigated Earthwide.
Why would it be a coincidence when religious hate crimes have been surging alone with the limited use of the Bible or actions taken by Christians regarding specific things? And I cannot take you seriously for your earth-wide comment due to what you already expressed here.
That being said, I advise you look into news regarding Christians in the US solely. Then again, you do not always show yourself to look into such things, after all, if you can get a Reddit of Christian believers to hate you by a mere response, then it shows the lack of care of what battles they face in a world of sin that plagues all men.
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So what is with the whole tinfoil-hattery regarding someone buying some wine? Especially around this time of year, stuff like this is no surprise.
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There is a lot of hate crimes taking place in both the West and East coast, so things like this will happen concerning the culprit's view of his or her target. Christians will always be a primary target if they are not on the side of those who wish to mold them into something else, on the other side of the spectrum, you have those who influence and push misinformation to cause someone to do something, say something and or take action, in the wrong way.
This resonates with a conversation I had with a an elderly man who works a corporate security job. He put heavy emphasis on people taking actions that they see as just, going about things without thinking, only to cause a negative, and consequence that follows. In this sense, influence begets action, and evidently this can be seen here, and with other situations in the US.
That being said, there are those who are sensitive to Bible verse and will even utter that some Bible verses is a form of hate speech, and or supports hateful action, and they can and will take some form of action. These are the times we are living in, the End Times.
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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
It may be as a practical matter almost impossible to "catch-up", Billy, but you need to spend a year researching what a bunch of fraudsters and fakers the IPCC is. There have been many documentations of their internal "bad science" ... BECAUSE ... they faked data to fit the fake models.
If you spend now until about mid-2020 you might... MIGHT ... catch up.
The key words to start with is "IPCC emails".
You beat me to the finish line, but yes, absolutely yes. The powers that be LOVE to spin the global warming/climate change narrative, mixing and picking a truth with untruths, and so forth. Money tends to talk if it tickles the right ears, in this sense.
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@BillyTheKid46 Yes. Meanwhile, you have people will speak of global warming and climate change, and at the same time they ignore recent events concerning such, for example, glaciers in Greenland, while on the other side of things you have people at NASA in a situation such as this:
That being said, there is always something about global and climate change when it is concerning the powers that be, and those who think they know such things without doing a little bit of the research show themselves unaware of things.
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I'm going by religious statistic as I had before because you claim the latter was committing slander in their numbers. There is also many sources that even state the same thing, so those numbers are indeed true. If you lack spiritual wisdom, how are you so sure? Because last I was here before the whole Assange situation, you said you are seeking truth, at least be reasonable and honest.
Moreover, the word "adherents" was coined by said source:
The group reports a worldwide membership of approximately 8.58 million adherents involved in evangelism and an annual Memorial attendance of over 20 million.
I recall telling you in your response that the numbers are only going up whereas you said it was going down, which was false.
There you go slandering again. Can you prove that the numbers were made up if one and several other sources says otherwise? The pews website was not made by children, nor was Wikipedia, nor was other Christian statistics websites.
I am not talking about JWs bringing up the numbers, I am, and my sources re of those who actually count statistics in adherents/members numbers of all Christian denominations, if fact, all rebellious denominations.
Also it is called Demographics
Definition - statistical data relating to the population and particular groups within it.
So where does that leave the pews and other sources when coming up with the numbers of religious demographics of said faith? They do the same thing with us Unitarians, although they bunch us all together, they also segregate the denominations and show the numbers.
How is this alien to you, Butler?
The irrelevancy is quite jarring to the eyes.Especially when the evidence is before us in this sense. Those who do the demographics, allow me to show you of what you ignored in the past, at least back then, even JTR gets it.
Here is an example:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/
Pretty sure the website(s) were not founded by 3 year olds, show some respect.... Also Ward Cunningham is 69, born in 1949, he isn't 3 either...
https://www.pewresearch.org/about/
It is not about enticement. You made a claim and I'll quote you: "Wow are they lowering the standards as they are rapidly losing members ? "
This is slander because people who do the statistics says otherwise, therefore, you committed slander to your very teeth.
Numbers do mean something because numbers brings forth truth to claim, as is in this example regarding erroneous claims on your part. I assume that taking in wisdom has been "thrown out the window" in this sense concerning you.
Unwell? I concur, this is coming from the man who confuse actions of men with clothing yet wears said clothing of what he made claims against, thus spinning the wheel of hypocrisy.
Check thyself and your own comments because it is not by means of your unwellness that shows here, but your ignorance.
That being said, when more important matters I was in discussion of regarding critical issues and religious attacks and a list of other things, here we see you still haven't changed one bit.
I linked to you before the pews website, I suggest giving it a look this time.
I'll say it again to you, Butler - Open your eyes because you continue to keep them shut.