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God's day can be any day, one just has to be prepared for it. Keeping vigilante is vital, being spiritually strong is extremely crucial and important. There are those who do not understand things thing it is a bit extreme, others, as shown, think it is bullying, on the other side of the spectrum,there are real God fearing men, women and children who don't water down what God is going to , they see what their counterparts do don't see regarding what God can and will do; but sadly, those who cannot see or are weak, misguided in faith are ones who brush over even what Prophet Isaiah had said and so forth, as is with the words of others. Woe to them because when something is said it goes in one ear, and out the other.

God's day will be a great day indeed for those who are enduring, those of whom God knows who are for him, but it will be quite the opposite for those, who willfully knew who God is and does things not according to him or things by means of his Son, who built the church, and in the end, they will see for themselves of God purpose and will be finally realized, both the righteous and those of good and heard the spoken word of God, and both the unrighteous those who willfully done bad while knowing God's Word.

That being said, spiritual wisdom is for those who seek and examine it for better understanding, as is with building up faith in knowing God and his Son and what promises his Kingdom will bring, one key thing that people will benefit from is eternal life.

This is why we must keep walking, for at the end of the road there is promise that was spoken of.

Endurance, vigilance, faith, etc. 

A hint of discernment can show cracks in the armor of those of little faith, and the strength of those who have an abundance of faith in terms of spiritual wisdom.

On 3/24/2019 at 12:12 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Alex Jones the hunchback plumber, from Chatteroy, West Virginia?

No, not that Alex Jones, this Alex Jones

@James Thomas Rook Jr. You'd be surprised of what truthers have to go through when dealing with people who are on the level of believing in a conspiracy to be an absolute, example, Alex Jones. This is no mission for Dilbert.

16 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Here you are, Srecko. You’ll be heralding this in no time at all, perhaps already.

The point is that your people divide up readily with regard to every new thing. Our people don’t. It would b the same with regard to climate change if our people were to join your people.

 

This does not surprise me, the whole gender thing. You should see what they are doing when it comes to indoctrinating children into something that they proclaim as normal when it is bad. Birth certificates I believe was effected too: http://newjersey.news12.com/story/39735791/gender-neutral-birth-certificates-to-be-available-in-nj-come-february

There is a fight coming, those who see the danger are prepared for it, but those who don't see the danger or go about the danger as if they can defeat it will only find themselves in absolute ruin.

On 3/22/2019 at 2:58 PM, BillyTheKid46 said:

In case, you don’t understand what I mean. All you need to do is stay current with modern events to understand.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Golan-Heights-Druze-members-reject-Trumps-support-of-Israeli-sovereignty-584301

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/politics/trump-golan-heights-tweet/index.html

 

 

 

This was expected. Israel and their allies which includes the US, France, UK, etc. Bolton the warmonger, their disdain for Iranians and those of Syria, etc. There is a slow tension on the other side of the spectrum regarding this as well. The MSM is also playing in the stories and events taking place too, especially with what happen in New Zealand. And there is tension going about regarding Christians in some parts and has caused some to even be angered.

Don't know if it was mentioned here already:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-47040451

@Witness This goes back to the discussion of God's structure.

That being said, Paul, Clement, Peter, and several others had authority in the Church, but they were not treated as god(s). God has his people, who followed his Son, Jesus, and regarding Jesus church, those who are for him are the ones who must spread the gospel and the truth concerning the Christ and his God. Although Paul and the others were organized, there is no idolatry regarding them, the people who learn from them, etc.

@BillyTheKid46 You someone, I think the guy was a former Baptist, a Middle Eastern American young man. He made a video regarding some of what you had said about JWs, but sadly no one like this man exposing lies and bringing forth truth and there were people who literally wiped his YouTube Channel regarding this.

It tells you how people would go to great length to take out a message someone says in order to continue pushing false information as a legitimate truth.

So they're preppers. I don't see what is wrong with that because there is such things such as this: https://www.ready.gov/build-a-kit

But with the way things are going anything can happen. Christians are in a battle with those who are already against them, so things can escalate as time progresses.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

then show me where one must study for baptism. 

Regarding baptism the Bible tells us to take in knowledge, I had already made a response to that.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

this is right out of the wt playbook.

Playbook?

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

So if Jesus studied, then it is a command to study for baptism? 

Yes, Jesus did study, for the law he was born into he, and all of his people had to read and observe, recite, study, and pray, all things in regards to taking in knowledge of the God of Israel, Yahweh. Jesus even acknowledged said Law to those that asked him as read in Mark 12.

Jesus told us to take in knowledge of the True God who sent him.

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

By taking in wisdom of God, people indeed examine Scripture, people will learn of who God is and what he had done, and will also come to understand of who Jesus Christ is and what role he has in God's Purpose and Will. Concerning Baptism, those who hear God's Word come to take in wisdom and understand it, and it is concerning those who seek baptism themselves by their choice to make said declaration to God. For Jesus came and spoke God's Word giving us insight on who he is, to which we examine and accept as truth.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

Did Jesus own a cat when He was growing up?

I beg your pardon?

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

Does that then require us to raise cats? 

Again with the requirements, but only this time a feeble example.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

no one said that we are not to study! 

We are to take in wisdom and examine God's Word. I suggest you look up what the word actually is and its definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/study

So tell me this, when it comes to learning and understanding God what do you do?

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

It just isn't a requirement for baptism. 

No one says that it is an absolute requirement. The response regarding baptism is the fact that people take in knowledge of God's Word, learning about him, especially those who seek baptism, those who heard God's Word.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shiwiii said:

I've already said it. re-read my posts, or rather this one and maybe you'll see my point. I doubt it though.

What you said primarily is that this or that is unbiblical. I have read your responses, I haven't ignored or left anything out if I made a response to each part.

On 3/19/2019 at 3:24 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

 I advise you understand the difference between True Christianity and mainstream Christianity 

I already know this regarding Christians who do what was done by the early church vs. those that do not and apply to such things such as tradition, i.e. gay marriage, interfaith, sodomy, professing of actions that is unChristian, etc. We have examples, for instance, Kairos Movement, etc.

On 3/19/2019 at 3:24 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

So SM you are not a JW

Biblical Unitarian, non-denominational. I recall last time you tried to accuse me of being supportive of the interfaith, only to correct and rebuke you on this claim and you apologized to the confusion because you didn't know any better to which I had accepted.

On 3/19/2019 at 3:24 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

so are JW's True Christianity and if so why are you not one of the m ?  

The Jehovah's Witnesses, as much as you heard me say it before, are Restorationist. There are 2 types of Restorationism, lone Christians, and there are organized ones, and of course we know that Jehovah's Witnesses are an organized bunch, and they are everywhere, perhaps you have one at your workplace, institution of any sort, maybe under your bed. Restorationist in a much are consider true Christians because they do anything and everything to strive to be like the True Church itself, some Restorationist take it to the extreme as to live life 100% simple, this picture below is someone who I had a chance to speak to, he is a Restorationist Christian

Us Biblical Unitarians, we to strive to be like the church, some better than others, which is the case with me as well. Others outside of Biblical Unitarianism, I see them as those also, like of another nation and or tribe who are doing the same thing regarding God whereas others give in to tradition of men, practices and the like, what have you.

This is why it is very important, all who move away from mainstream Christendom into true Christendom, recognize the teachings and what was spoken of by God himself. And to such it has to be taken very seriously, for doing all things for God and following the teacher, his Son, it requires sacrifice and total devotion and complete servitude to God our Father.

That being said, those among the mainstream crowd tend to confuse the teachings and confuse others on this same notion, like my last discussion with you regarding what nakedness actually is to which you had been corrected on the truth of the matter.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:06 PM, Shiwiii said:

this is a nice example of not defending your position. My experience in "mainstream Christianity" proves otherwise when it comes to shunning. You again have failed to support your claim. 

So you are of mainstream Christendom?

My claims are actually true and I have posted information on such because I had brought forth facts in regards to this, elsewhere, there has always been discussion and debate on such. You think that the mainstream does not practice some form of excommunication that is not of the church, but the facts I had professed here several times says otherwise. Watering down the church of the Christ is indefensible.

On 3/19/2019 at 4:02 PM, Shiwiii said:

no, I didn't agree with you. You said that pretty much anyone who proclaims God is a mouthpiece for God. I disagree. Matthew 7:21  states exactly my point. Not all who claim to be the mouthpiece of God really are. 

Exactly because there are those out there who say they are God's mouthpiece or they are spokesman of God declaring the message to which they preach and teach otherwise, i.e. Mario Martinez who says he is a spokesman of God but teaches and preaches people like him can have visions and see Hell itself, people being tormented in Hell and so forth. So what was said is on equal footing, granted I had stated the distinction between a prophets who are not inspired, ones being true ones and ones being false.

That being said, indeed anyone can say they are God's mouthpiece, but among them there are false ones, which the verse you profess also adds on to what was originally said. Actual prophets, Christians, there are those who are God's spokesman who indeed speaks truth and such ones Jesus will recognize.

It is a major tragedy, but like all tragedies, the powers that be and those who have the agenda exploit said tragedy, and send angry mobs to those blamed. Videos of the attack is being purged from those who have it, me being one who saw said video, it is sad and very disturbing, granted when you are aware of what the gunmen was doing those who no longer walk this earth. The man who committed said crime, his face, his name should not be exposed, but mainstream media do it anyways, which will only spawn more copy-cat attacks.

Violence on this nature cannot be 100% stopped by the hands of man, prevented in some instances, but that is it. Eventually God will be the one to put an end to this once he gives word to Jesus to come back.

@Srecko Sostar Truly, truly I saith unto thee, he does not knoweth how things work. No it is not a double standard, this is why I posted that link so you can understand how things roll in said country.

On 3/15/2019 at 4:23 AM, Outta Here said:

Baptismal regeneration is just another of the pompous terms giiven by apostates to a distorted interpretation of scripture presented as a "doctrine". It is not a bilble teaching.

Baptism is a necessary part of the action of anyone  wishing to come into an approved relationship with Jehovah through his Son Jesus Christ of course. But it is an act that, whilst directed by Jesus Christ (Matt.28:19) and therefore essential, has a symbolic significance and does nothing in a physical way to the individual. Peter made that clear at 1Pet.3:21.

I can't tell you how many debates I had regarding this. Such ones turn it into something else and quick to point the figure on your stance on baptism vs. that of mainstream Christendom. A dead giveaway would be the baptism of infant babies, which was never commanded to the church of the Christ to do, for the word and the teachings is for those who can hear it, who can understand it and who can apply it in terms of wisdom and knowledge.

Yes I notice you mentioned Acts 26:20. In short, one must turn to God, to be close with him. The person who seeks to be close to God our Father must be genuine in their repentance, so he, or she must put forth effort in said repentance willfully, the action of one changing themselves, in a way, out with the old, in with the new. Apostle Paul is a great example, for we know his history, his actions and later on, him being the very man to move people to be a follower of the Christ, to move people to knowing who sent Jesus. When Paul professed the good news gospel and the things concerning the teachings, it enables people to be moved by what they heard, hearing it and making the necessary changes to let go of what is old in themselves, and bring forth what is new.

That being said, all things concerning baptism, it is good to understand the context of references for such gives more insight on such things, even with what is being discussed.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

Right, and look at it.

Ok, I am looking.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

Does the verse you mention state that anyone needs to study to become baptized?

Context of passage of Peter's sermon shows us that the people heard the teachings of the Christ that day, others, who were present were already students of God's Word. Clearly, one who hears takes up wisdom of all things concerning the Christ and his God, hence why when it came to baptism, water immersion, which is a public declaration in this sense, proves otherwise.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

No it doesn't, but you made the statement and I disagreed.

I really do not care if you agree with me, I agree to what the Bible says and what lessons and examples we as Christians draw from it. My response is based purely on biblical hermeneutics, as is with most of my comments when it comes to explaining something or someone.

Acts 2:38, or the passage itself gives context of what you are reading. For we know that those at Pentecost are Christians, embracing on what was being professed to them regarding the Christ, the references in connection to that verse (or verses), as well as the helper of whom was promised. Not only the people were baptized regarding repentance of sin, but they were baptized in Christ.

Simon Peter, when professing the inspired sermon, the teachings to the people heed the command of the Christ, the same verse you yourself said we are to follow since it was Jesus who gave this command (Matthew 28:19), and in this history of early Christianity, God’s people would seek repentance and be baptized in the name of God's Son, Jesus Christ, for forgiveness of sins, such echos back to John the Baptist, hence references. It is known that at this point in time that the Jews had rejected the Messiah, God’s Christ and by means of repenting and exercising faith in the Christ, one is capable of seeking and receiving forgiveness from God, granted that the New Covenant was already in effect. Public declaration as mentioned of such faith by being immersed in water in the name of Jesus Christ.

Christians today applies what is learned in the passage of Acts 2 and understand what Simon Peter conveyed when he talked to those at Pentecost, who were of the Church of the Christ. These people knew what they were being taught and applied it; they heard it, no doubt. Moreover, the Holy Spirit, the helper, was poured to the people, inspired them, 120 persons who are disciples, later that day, thousands more, who accepted the teachings of the Christ and understood said teaches concerning about the very person of whom God made both Lord and Christ, according to Peter (32, 36). Such ones show a public declaration of faith by being immersed in water in the name of Jesus Christ, their teacher (death unto life), not to mention that such ones were like pupils, students concerning God’s Word; reading The Coming of the Holy Spirit (1-13) should have been obvious to you, let alone the references in connection to passage.

Christians today applies what is read in Acts 2, especially when it comes to Peter's Sermon at Pentecost (14-41). Peter knew very well what Jesus had taught and these teachings were presented to the people in the city, and said teachings was conveyed to those who sought baptism after hearing and accepting the sound truth about the Christ. Likewise, for us, like the early Christians of Pentecost, we too can accept the truth of the Christ by hearing and learning about all and everything that Jesus had taught, mainly when it came to the good news gospel and the Messianic Age, said teachings professed by the Christians of that day. This is why when I said we are to study the word, it is in relation to the teachings of Christ Jesus, for when it comes to becoming his servant, his follower, his disciple, we are to fully understand what he says, what he commands, and we make disciples by teaching what the Christ has taught unto the people who hears the word, in doing so, like our Eunuch friend, such ones can embrace the message concerning the Christ, and in doing so, they make declaration to the Church of the Christ, and glorify God, rejoice in such as well. Such efforts will enable such ones to do what those 120 persons have done.

That being said, clearly those at Pentecost knew what they were conveying afterwards, and what they had been teaching to the people, vice versa, what the people were learning and accepting from them. A follower of the Christ understands the teachings, mainly when it comes to those who has that chance.

The promise is to us, after all.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

No one is questioning this part of your statement:

And yet when something is said, suddenly you wanted a verse with that exact mention of something when clearly the context is being drawn from such verse.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

I just disagree that one needs to study to become baptized.

Concerning what Jesus taught, according to you, how does one convey if they is no need to study, read, observe, etc? Example regarding Jesus in his childhood, he read, studied, recited, and observed the laws found in the Old Testament because in doing so, he, as with all Jews, learned about the God of Israel. Why is it suddenly different according to you about those of the New Covenant; Christians?

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

The Bible does not state that one must study to be baptized, and thus the idea that a person would need to, is unbiblical. 

So what would you say in regards to those being hearers of the word? actually disciples and students of God's Word in Bible times, especially those at Pentecost?

How would the early Christians teach and preach the good news gospel and the Messianic Age if they did not understand or observed what the teachings were to begin with?

Taking in wisdom is indeed biblical not. So if Jesus urges us to take in knowledge by coming to know the True God is wrong? Let alone what was said about taking in accurate knowledge? Trying to understand you.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

I'm not going to keep going around in circles and obscure definitions with you

Obscure definitions?

On 3/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, Shiwiii said:

I stated my point very clear. You seem to dislike that, so what. 

You haven't really brought much here. In short you are having an issue with the taking in of wisdom concerning God and the Christ. Unless you can make your point clearer on how does one heed command from Jesus to know who God is and who he [Jesus] is if they do not hear any sort of teaching, or read and obverse anything from Scripture?

Jesus put high importance in observing the word hence why we have the foremost commandments, and by reading and understanding, we understand why he holds such this high and why we as Christians must apply such.

No, it is not that I dislike what you are saying, rather not much has come from you thus far, but I am speaking from what the Bible conveys here to which you are calling unbiblical, not to mention that random assumptions and accusations when there is no evidence of such, and the lowkey no mentions for what was talked about before i.e. The Eunuch.

That being said, if you have some points to make, then do so, aside from that, I speak on what the Bible says regarding those who are in union with the Christ and what they've done, in which we as Christians today can emulate and apply.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:14 PM, Shiwiii said:

you missed my point because I wasn't clear enough.

Ok. And your point?

On 3/15/2019 at 2:14 PM, Shiwiii said:

I did not mean that you resort to a forum to discuss topics. I meant was that you are using the concept of a forum or social space, educational institutions, etc.

And yet that was of my original response until you equated such to a faith community. Because forums are usually like this. They had guidelines, rules, regulations when it comes to topic focused things, comments, review, etc. in conjunction to that, those who partake in said forum space who can bring forth an opinion, speak their peace, converse, joke and troll, or that one guy who has very little to say but only wants to be notice by his senpai, the admin, etc.

My focus was Admin and Librarian in terms of this forum, and yet, as stated, you threw in a faith community and suddenly assume I am mad, angered or hurt when I show little to no such thing on a forum, or in a public area in the realm of discussion and or debate.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:14 PM, Shiwiii said:

as oppose to the stance of mainstream Christianity, because you failed to support your claim on mainstream Christianity shun's. 

I do not want to find your response in this claim amusing, but I must. Are you aware of what mainstream Christendom is and their practices? Their theological stance and so forth? Mainstream Christendom not only integrates doctrines that are not of Jesus' church, but they tend to water down and twist the teachings and other things concerning the Bible. How are you so sure that mainstream Christendom practices binding and loosening in the church when the majority practices 2 out of 3 excommunication concepts that is not related to what was entrusted to the church?

That being said, I advise you understand the difference between True Christianity and mainstream Christianity being unaware of such will only bring forth confusion on your part when most people who has discernment and understanding can tell the difference.

Other than that, excommunication I had spoken of several times before. Do not get it confuse with the MSC.

On 3/15/2019 at 2:19 PM, Shiwiii said:

I am just going to answer with this. You can choose to pick it apart if you wish. Were these folks God's mouthpiece based on the criteria you claim? 

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

Reasons why I had already stated that even those who make claim to being the mouthpiece of God, thinking that they are in the correct, but are not, who are liken to the passage you just quoted, my favorite one by the way, mainly verse 23.

People like Pastor Mario Martinez will make such claims, but what they teach is not of the church at all, not of the 'Christ or God. Hence when one says they are the mouthpiece or spokesman of God, a declaree, faith of what they profess must be aligned with Jesus' Church, be it they are of it or strive to be as such.

That being said, why would I pick part? You pretty much agreed with me concerning my other responses.

Therefore, any man who teaches that God is for or supports what he drove out of the land is incorrect, and in the wrong, hence, topic.

3 hours ago, Equivocation said:

That's because people believe some Christians who preach these things.

Soothing emotional words that tickle the ears. Such ones people will believe. They or their flock will speak of such ones as God's chosen one, mouthpiece, God's sole servant, what have you, but such ones speak ill doctrine, hence the term false prophet/teacher used unto such ones.

Back to the topic at hand here, people who make claim to these visions will often get folks by means of strong words and emotion, and we have the end result of those who make claim to vision, the best example I can find is here: https://listverse.com/2014/02/20/10-visions-of-hell-that-will-scare-the-crap-out-of-you/

One lie that so called false prophets in Christendom often teach is indeed what is being discussed here, for not only they make claim to these visions, but also, they will say that God punishes the evil men, deceased, with eternal torment in the lake of fire.

The falsehood can easily be read out in this sense, when we read the Bible, we know that God is indeed love, and God would not be able to send deceased, those who are not living, those who are dead, to be committed to harm if they perish, conscious of nothing at all.

I am sure your faith community is already aware, but the lake of fire, which is Gehenna, is symbolic, a place of everlasting destruction. Something that has cease from existence by means of Gehenna cannot succumb to what today's mainstream Christendom preaches or Christian prophets such as those mentioned in this sense. Truly I say, it is not that difficult to spot such.

But this is merely one of such teachings from those who proclaim that God is with them or that they are speakers of the Most High God.

That being said, reminds me of a recent discussion with someone, who ended up attacking everyone for not believing in these testimonies. Yet one girl, her English was not that great she is from Dominican Republic, mentioned a testimony she was aware of and could not believe God to be the villain in this sense, only for the one I discussed with to call her a lair, after he himself professed such visions as an absolute truth. Another told me that this misguided Christian is a lost cause, so I had to cease discussion with him, even going about calling the misguided one depraved minded. But I continued, thinking that he could see the truth of the Bible, but he refused, calling everyone, even those who were seeking to learn to read the Bible, agents of the Devil.

This alone shows you the state of mind in what mainstream Christendom teaches vs. those who are not of the mainstream. The funny thing is there was a guy who said Jesus quoted, used Bible citations of the Old Testament, the misguided Christian said Jesus never quoted the Old Testament - that remark there is equated to the hill he died on in regards to this discussion. Mind you this is one of many, and there is always discussion, debate, etc. when it comes to these things, but in the end, truth always stands firm.

On 3/14/2019 at 12:38 AM, Witness said:

If you only realized JWs do not consider you part of their "church".  

I've explained this a while ago pertaining to the early church in relation to Scripture and the Didache, as well as such in regards to Salvation, I believe this was talked about to you several times. Even before them, before us, there were people of God who are of this church, the same one that Jesus has built, same teachings, same practices, etc. all intact. A Christian would not be concerning of preaching the gospel if they believe that only they themselves would be saved, otherwise that would be hypocritical, hence why Christians will preach the gospel to the people, and this is an example in which we see with what took place during and after Pentecost, perhaps even Jesus and the Samaritan woman as read in John 4.

For someone such as yourself to claim you are anointed, yet water down Christ's Kingship and butcher God's order of things, you cannot be taken seriously. Not to mentioned, you be very, very aware of the connection between Christians and the church of the Christ, and those of whom who heed the word.

Hypocritical, is all that can be said. But surely one among the Firstfruits should have seen that one coming.

That being said, God is merciful and such mercy is extended to all persons, God knows who is and who is not for him. There are those out there who still needs to know what the gospel is, and clearly, so what are you doing to help such ones?

The church itself is of the Christ, built by him. I advise you not to forget what that is, and what it means.

@Equivocation Faithful Word Baptist Church Pastor Steven L. Anderson. He is also a fundamentalist pertaining to mainstream Christendom ideologies. This guy had quite a few words to say about Biblical Unitarians that only come back to bite him in the end.

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It is not just verses in Acts that irks this man.

Full context in regards to baptism, yes?

Other than that baptismal regeneration is not such an unknown term, for it relates to those in support of baptism requirement in which what pertains to what that doctrine consist of. Clearly if one is seeking to be baptized and makes this decision on their accord, it does not relate to or conflict with the latter belief. Also, one has to take into account those that never got the chance to or have yet sought baptism, ending up in a situation, loss of life, etc. Which is why we have the example of the thief who was crucified and was hung next to Jesus. Drawing context from Jesus' interaction with him, and his interaction with the command he gave, clearly the support of baptismal regeneration isn't there as some denominations would have you believe.

2 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Well everyone needs to be educated. As for self defense, I wouldn't know all aspects of that. But yeah I don't know how it was for you guys, but in my case people today are only proving Prophet Isaiah's point. Isaiah 5 verse 20. Some kids are getting the oh so wrong type of education, amigo. 

Indeed, everyone. As for self-defense all I've uttered is the elementary stuff compared to the middle to high level things. What I brought up is common with all persons in all levels of self-defense.

And yes, that verse is indeed correct in regards to this situation of this world

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

That being said, they've integrated things into the schools and professing such as normal to the children, even outside of the churches, clubs and educational institutions, we have influence from communities that pushes people, young people to do bad things, i.e. having a 10-11 year old child dancing for money in bars. Clearly that is not right, but should you say anything about it you are attacked, and in this sense that is in the realm of child abuse in of itself, and clearly no one bats an eye.

https://www.diarioconcepcion.cl/ciudad/2018/09/13/no-izar-bandera-nacional-puede-ocasionar-multas-de-hasta-240-mil.html

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Failure to raise national flag could result in fines amount up to 240,000 in pesos and possible charges apply not only to Chileans but also to resident foreigners.

The arrival of the Fiestas Patrias (National Festivities), fills us with pride, bringing out the best of the national identity, it is not to arrive and place in front of our homes the Chilean flag, because doing it wrong could cause fines ranging from 1 to 5 UTM from 47,920 to 239,600.

These charges, which will be supervised by the Carabineros de Chile and determined by the Local Police Judge, according to the seriousness of the act, can only be challenged when the infractions committed are exempted by the judge in charge, if the latter deems it convenient and it is confirmed that all the requirements of the hoisting are met.

In this regard, the coordinator of the Center for Citizen Education of the Faculty of Law and Government of San Sebastian University, Alejandro Gomez, explained that "hoisting or placing the national flag is an obligation for all inhabitants of the Republic, as established by Article 14 of the Civil Code, which also includes foreigners.

About the Decree

This mandatory process extends from 1967, through Supreme Decree No. 1,534 of the Ministry of Interior that regulated the use of national emblems, in particular, it is mandatory hoisting on certain dates, punctually, May 21, and September 18 and 19 of each year, being prohibited the rest of the year.

The above, as explained by attorney Alejandro Gomez was amended in 2011 with the implementation of Law 20.537 which details the use and hoisting of the national flag, "changes the rules and this makes it possible to raise the national flag without prior authorization the rest of the year, but ensuring respect for it," he argued.

But how to hoist and place the flag?

This is something not everyone knows, well, according to Law 20.537, there are three ways to place the flag, the first is that it must be at the top of a white mast, with the star located at the top left.

The second explains that when there is no mast and it is placed vertically, the emblem must position the star to the left of the observer.

And the third, explains the Law, that when it is positioned horizontally, it must have the star at the upper left of the observer.

In the case of the departments, these are exempt from the regulations, since it is not necessary for each department to install a flag, it is enough for the building -as a whole- to do so.

It is important to know that the law does not consider exceptions, therefore, if the house is without dwellers during the days of Fiestas Patrias, for trips outside the zone, the flag of Chile must be installed in the front of the home, in the same way.

The provisions detailed in the law, according to Communist Party councilman Álex Iturra, go "against the freedom of thought of citizens. In his opinion, Chileans are making their homeland every day when they wake up at dawn.

"I am against forcing people to carry out this type of act, since placing or not placing the flag is a nonsense, since respect for national identity is not only done by hoisting the national symbol on these dates, because true respect for Chile is done by improving the conditions of the workers, as well as the social conditions of each of the Chileans, therefore incorporating fines is an act that goes against not only the pocketbook but also the individual freedom of each one of us," he said.

Words that are supported by the regional advisor of the Bío Bío by the Equality Party, Javier Sandoval, who commented that "I categorically reject this authoritarian measure of exacerbating artificial symbolism, since it is a loss of human resources and unjustified that intervened in the individual liberties of human beings," he said.

Finally, on the data of fines in previous years, the prefect of Concepción, commander Benjamin Piva, commented that the faults have been low in previous years, since considering the contingency of accidents and murders in Fiestas Patrias, possible infractions for not raising the national symbol are monitored in a lesser way.

"All infractions that have to do with the Local Police Court, have to do with the operational capacity that we have those days (Fiestas Patrias) to be able to inspect. Between seeing a crime, such as domestic violence or another that attempts against people, staff must prioritize against a fault, such as not hoisting the flag on certain dates," he said.

The irony here is that we see people bring forth the idea of self-defense yet when it comes to core things to know in this regard, nothing has been said. This concise with what we should be teaching our children and nothing has been said expect the latter. With recent events, it should be made known that even adults need to be educated in some sense because they too reap consequence from their actions, so it can be said, not children alone, but rather all people.

Some grown folks should know better: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/03/14/why-lori-loughlin-felicity-huffmans-alleged-roles-college-bribery-scandal-hit-such-nerve/?utm_term=.f5d9d39756e0

The actions of even older folk of the same blood can cause not just consequence to them, but to their own. Clearly they didn't learn that it is not ok to cheat.