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On 12/16/2018 at 4:02 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Agree in general. But on other hand you can not stop violence without violence. Or to be said you can stop violence without violence in a few situations. NOT always, and not with people (attackers) who living for harm others. 

But even those who live in such conditions can deal with aggressors without the means of violence.

On 12/16/2018 at 4:02 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

We can call that responsive/reacted violence as Justified violence, because we want to stop other to heart us. But as you aware,  you need some sort, some kind, some measure of Force to stop other to harm. Loud voice, scream,  can be viewed as some kind of  "weapon" to be used in stopping violent intention.  Raising a hand to prevent a kick is also a physical response, and you need reflex and skill how to prevent kick. And what to do after you have stopped first kick .... would you continue to only defending self if attacker continue to harm you or will it be possible to "neutralize" him in some way. Soft and mild words means nothing to some who have bad intentions.

Not always a scream and or loud shouts can prevent an attack. In most cases it only encourages the attacker to continue, should the aggressor intent is to inflict harm out of hate, to rob, to rape, to send a message, in regards to gangs, affiliation should a kill is needed, thus people whoa re unaware ends up making themselves a target, otherwise they are just targeted.

In terms of what @Equivocation had said, you can defend yourself by blocking, and or preventing a blow from coming your way, therefore, self-defense in this sense can be used, grappling and or subduing. Self-Defense in regarding to striking a deadly blow and or to cripple is something you would not be doing at all, more so, you having the intent do commit heavy injury, even kill, it only put blood on your hands, mainly when you give in to some form of emotion in the moment and adrenaline rush.

In you want my experience, most aggressors will not go after people who are seen as intimidating, hence why I do not have this problem, however to someone who is not in my position, the aggressor would try to go after them, even if the person and or victim is unaware of ignorant of his or her surroundings.

On 12/16/2018 at 4:02 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

At the end, Christians pray for Kingdom who will DESTROY all wicked. So, if Bible is book you believe, Bible say that Final Solution is Violence. Violence begets more violence .... from God.   

Vengeance is not in your hands, it is in God's hands, for God is a God of Justice. However you can defend yourself without inflict harm, injury and or death to the aggressor.

On 12/16/2018 at 3:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

React quickly. Scream. (Deuteronomy 22:25-27) Escape or fight back using the  element of surprise. And, if possible, run to a safe place and call the police. *   - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201305/protect-yourself-from-crime/

This attest to the practice of combat in terms of sharp vigilance, being aware of your surroundings, the people around you, who you are near and or with, and so forth, and the focus, as picked up from the examples is in regards to being in places whereas there are people around, although most people tend to suffer the Bystander Effect, but there will be some, if in some cases, who will take action in your behalf should you be in trouble. 

This allows you to call the police and or seek help and or go to a safe place. Active Self Protection promotes to get out of the danger zone and always be compliant.

You need an attitude, you need the skills and a plan. You cannot build a house without a plan and the skills to do it, likewise, when it comes to your safety.

On 12/16/2018 at 3:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

SECOND INSTRUCTION:

On the other hand, what if a person’s life is threatened by an assailant? A law that God gave to ancient Israel sheds light on this. If a thief was caught in the daytime and was killed, the assailant would be charged with murder. This was evidently because thievery did not carry the death penalty and the thief could have been identified and brought to justice. However, if an intruder was fatally struck at night, the householder could be exonerated because it would be difficult for him to see what the intruder was doing and to ascertain the intentions of the intruder. The householder could reasonably conclude that his family was under threat of harm and take defensive action.—Exodus 22:2, 3.

The Bible thus indicates that a person may defend himself or his family if physically assaulted. He may ward off blows, restrain the attacker, or even strike a blow to stun or incapacitate him. The intention would be to neutralize the aggression or stop the attack. This being the case, if the aggressor was seriously harmed or killed in such a situation, his death would be accidental and not deliberate. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102008204

Pretty much the point that was discus.

You can defend yourself, even having the know how to self defense without inflicting harm to someone, should they attempt to harm you, with self defense skills you can block, you can kick and so forth.

However, you will also have provokers, who will attempt to get you to fight, having the right attitude you can spot this to evade problems because this type of aggressor wants to get something out of you - a show, in order to slander you.

On 12/16/2018 at 3:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

WELL now, if in publication (and in Bible Law) authors giving space for PHYSICALLY defend self, with unknown outcome of such fight, why JWorg ban members to learn how to defend ???? self and others from crime attack???

They only tell their members they cannot inflict pain, harm, injury and or death. They can defense themselves without commit to any form of violence. In fact, there are those who in this domain who teaches this time of self-defense.

Now in an example, @Equivocation is a teenager, you are an adult,  and let's add Rook in this for the fun of learning, which of the two are you are most likely to be targeted? Another question I would pose the both of you is if you were both in a situation, let's say a Gas Station in Florida, a conflict rose up on one side of the Gas Station and a guy pulls out a crowbar and threatens to swing it at another man, the other guy pulls out a gun whereas you guys are nearby.What would be your attitude? Your Skill? And your Plan? Among all 3 that unifies all of them, what is the most important thing that one must do? Obvious screaming and shouting in this scenario will only make you a victim in this semi-public place.... And it's Florida.

On 12/16/2018 at 4:15 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4618578/Thai-police-talks-knife-wielding-man-HUGS-him.html

Calming "violent" man with knife.

Off the bat, one thing I will tell you about Knife Attacks is that it is very, very, VERY HIGH in the United Kingdom, such as London, and Knife Attacks are very common. The same can be said for Asian countries. It is not as common in Russia however there was one knife attack, one of which I had seen whereas a lone woman was stab over and over and over again even though she had died - in a case like this the killer knew the person and how these attacks are fashioned, such things is evident.

An Aggressor with a Knife will draw you in, with gripping the knife in his or her other hand whereas someone with a guy will push you away with his or her free arm vs. the knife wielder.

Most of the time knife attacks will happen should the aggressor want to rob you, it is a different story if it is racism and or hating one's religion, examples would be Muslim woman for example in the UK, be it adult and or teen, knife wielders have not just their religion, but their race and or background and will spare no second in an attack, even while in a public place because they know they can commit the action before anyone reacts.

That being said, it all comes down to knowing things. Such as a disarm, you can disarm a knife from someone by means of wrestling it out of a person's hands without commit harm and or injury, and if you are that skilled, you can do the same with a gun.

But compliance in most cases is key, other items you will need a plan or two, a couple, in place.

On 12/15/2018 at 6:05 PM, Equivocation said:

@Srecko Sostar Scream Loud and Run Away? What Bible verse says that?

We should not be fighting anyone at all. Some people like to try and provoke JWs to fight so they can record that information to weaponize it.

A Christian can defend themselves but clearly cannot make an attempt to kill someone. 

This is the difference of a Christian who does this compared to a Christian who believes he can be armed to attack and kill a man, a woman, or a child if they are seen as a threat. 

Self-Defense without commit harm, injury and or killing.

And you are right, you should not take the life of and or seriously arm the aggressor.

On 12/16/2018 at 8:28 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

I haven’t the slightest notion of how to go there. It seems to me that the Light Web is dark enough.

One thing for certain, those who gain access to the dark web do so by means where their ISP cannot track them. Some tech savvy tech users, video gamers, even some hackers who are well aware of this can get access to such, however, some of them tend not to dwell too far off on the not so happy part of the internet.

@BillyTheKid46 Agenda 21 is in regards to the 21st Century and it entails the worldwide United Nations program for sustainable development that is put in a a local based level, something of which we see today that is taking place, with the idea of global thinking while at a local level (think globally, act locally). The other one, Agenda 2030, similar to Agenda 21, however, it entails the worldwide United Nations program for sustainable development that is put in a nation state level.

Both of them are progressing right now at the same time, more so, in the United Sates right now, so far we are only seeing Agenda 21 at play here. Some would say that the Agenda 2030 of the UN will ruin Western Civilization.

A population easy to control, easy to manipulate, easily move the people into smaller homes, to be monitored watched, smart homes as some would say, hence why since the aftermath of California, people are watching what is going on and what will happen, we already got smart devices that can hear us say something and do things as we command, like a butler and or some genie in a bottle type of nonsense, in a degree, our lives being intertwined with such technology in which the government can use to easily take the people without notice.

As for Education, Money, Religion, Government, all of this equates to the Global Mafia, and or the Establishment who seeks to unify all these things - hence the term New World Order, to which Truthers refer to such as a totalitarian Orwellian Future (pretty much what can be read from the book called 1984 by George Orwell). The powers that be are doing what is necessary to keep true to their goals and agendas.

Those who are unaware are usually the ones that are easily swept away, engulfed by the words coming from the Establishment, in this sense, brainwashing.

As for the year, you referring to the population increases/decreases? I would not say there is a difference, more like binding it's time, continuing to grow in power and resources so when they have to unleash all that stored up power, they would want to make sure that it's effect can be felt. Another thing is those who marry and have children with those of a selected group who are of this fold, so the children can grow up in this circle and when they grow up and are capable of having children, their children would also repeat the cycle.

As for population control, that is a large chunk of the pie of it's own, however, this is also included, as is within making a shift and or change to a populace, such as immigration in the US and other parts of the world such as the EU.

On 12/16/2018 at 2:20 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

In Islam and in Old Israel and in other "only true religion" is very similar.  

Leviticus 24:16 says, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.”

About women. They are always in wrong and must be guilty .... because in Eden Eve caused all problems, too  :)))))) 

I do not recall the Old Law simply focusing on women alone when it comes to blasphemy. Regarding blasphemy in the face of God punishment in this regard applies to a man and or a woman, not a single sex alone. As for the last statement, a bit hypocritical much, granted women in the Bible, even you gave praise to two women before, despite you mistaking one for a man.

On 12/15/2018 at 6:00 PM, Equivocation said:

Well the UN can not be trusted. Have you seen what their loyal NGO who applies their goals are doing in Africa?

I sent you a link regarding every known NGO in Africa, for as I made it clear to the ignorance of the one in question, this one still needs to see what is going on.

The list contains

• Name
• NGO Status
• Sponsors
• Area of Focus

An example:

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• Name: Advocates Abroad
• Founder: Ariel Ricker
• NGO Status: 501(c)3 non-profit organization founded in 2016

Sponsers/Partners:

• *Greek Helsinki Monitor (GHM) [Partnership]
• *SoldariTee is a national fundraiser campaign by Cambridge University students.
• *AsyLex is a Swiss non-profit organisation, which supports asylum seekers in their procedure by providing free legal aid.
• *Legal Aid Clinics
• *Advocates Abroad provides free weekly legal aid clinics in several regions of Greece, in conjunction with One Happy Family (Lesvos), The Imagine Center (Chios), Organization Earth (Athens), Oikopolis Center and Alkyone Center (Thessaloniki).
• *The One Happy Family Community Center
• *The Imagine Project is a dedicated group of trained volunteers
• *K44 - a former car repair shop and renowned night club - is Organization Earth’s new location in downtown Athens that besides a co-working space doubles as a public space for community interaction. K44 provides a meeting point for social enterprises, NGOs, startups and grassroots groups. 
• *Alkyone and Oikopolis Refugee Day Centers
• *Externship Programs

Note: Advocates Abroad offers law students the opportunity to assist through its externship program. Currently, students of the University of Baltimore Law School (UBLS) and University of Denver Law School (UDLS) provide research briefs and country conditions reports to support the current asylum seeker claims of field teams.

 

The list was listed for me by a close friend of mine who has also been looking into things regarding the UN, although he has been in this longer than me since he had more years ahead of him than me.

I will post, if need be the Migration information also, but that will be for another thread of which focuses on such things.

 

Other than that I mentioned the International Bar Association. In short, you have every reason to condemn the United Nations just as is said by your religious leader of your faith - as is what others have said regarding the UN, be it religious and or non-religious, and the whole DPI thing should not be of any problem for you, in a what if scenario, if it was ECOSOC, than that, would be an even bigger and yet different story present day, but that is not the case.

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In the Greek Islands, we already know NGOs who are at working in regards to the United Nations Agenda that is in connection with their Agenda is at work here, along with the help and aid coming from volunteers who are able, ready and willing to have taken part after an aftermath of an event taking place some months ago, even after, the UN and their underlings who support their goals continue to do their bidding. The Greek Islands are but a minor neutral ally to the United States (in turn, in connection to the United Kingdom, France, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.); as is with these NGOs and volunteers, their actions in the European countries, as is, the bringing for and spreading of migrants by illegal (such as is explained below) and legal means, for as of recent, these NGOs who are doing exactly what the UN wants regarding migrants in 17 countries in the Greek Islands, as with some parts of the EU.

What these NGOs are doing is that they are representing themselves as legal aid representatives, granted they all have sponsors and partnerships (obviously), coupled with extensive programs to enable United Nations goals to be fruitful in accordance with a branch of the agenda (The United Nation Global Compact for Migration) hence having a strong affiliation with the affairs of the United Nations regarding migrants, they, the NGOs in question who has met the UN criteria, who does have sponsors, thus enabling them to be willing and ready to do world based action in terms of agenda for the United Nations in favor of it, moreover,  having had access to said migrants, which results in them coaching the refugees, teaching them to lie in order to successfully pass their Asylum Interview, and since this is taking place in parts of the world such as this, the interviews, according to source has been taking place in Lesbos by means of volunteers and NGOs, among the fold being the NGO known as Advocates Abroad.

 

NOTE: Ariel Ricker, director of Advocates Abroad in Greece (A sponsored NGO, with said sponsors backing them up greatly), which provides legal, medical and other types of services to refugees, recently voiced support for Sara Mardini, saying her organization “stands in solidarity with all the rescue teams and NGOs at the mercy of many former partner and ally EU states and national agencies,” adding, “Let us hope each of these volunteers of ERCI (Emergency Response Centre International, a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) - sponsored) are released soon and returned safely home. It is too much to hope for, that they would once more risk their personal safety to the fickle justice of Greece.”

At this, to which some migrants end up going to Athens and or other parts of Europe, other times sent back; about 15,000 or so migrants are dealt with at a time by the NGOs and volunteers in the masses, who are doing the taskwork for the United Nations, some independent sources who actually went to see what was going on (one source being – George Lou, the very person who was undercover in the NGOs and the one to have spoken to Ariel Richer; in the surfaced video by media) and  [he, Mr. Lou] stated 390+ staffers among the NGOs had to deal with that amount of people at a time, more so, in an industrialized fashion regarding legal aid, and such was quite vast – gargantuan, if I may add. Support and any form of volunteering work came about by means of notable organization/groups on an institutional level in such if not most instances of human rights works in connection with immigrations and so forth. We have, as mentioned already, The University of Cambridge and the University of Oxford, as well as the University of Denver, as also stated, they are, all 3 of them whereas the volunteers originated from, all in connection with the International Bar Association, regarding International & National Non-Governmental Organizations (INGOs/NGOs) in terms of Human Rights, to some minor degree, International Law for some.

• https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/proposal-rapid-screenings-refugees-sea-draws-fire-180925124157897.html
• https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/refugees-greek-islands-angry-freedom-arrivals-180419091938956.html

NOTE: Advocates Abroad is an NGO that provides legal advice to migrants since its inception in 2016. In 2017, the NGO was supported by students from Baltimore University (University of Baltimore Center for International and Comparative Law - CICL - Student Fellows). On the 13^th of November 2018, the RT Russian media (although I have a disdain for them, this is among something 100% true provided granted one of my sources is where this information originated from) released a video produced by the Canadian activist Lauren Southern (with the aid of Mr. Lou), describing the coaching methods dished out by this NGO (Advocates Abroad) for migrants.

 

On 12/16/2018 at 3:17 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Ignorance is bliss .... but we should stop short of having ignorance being orgasmic !

Or in simple terms - Dense minded.

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Sorry ... my eyes fogged over, and I started to hear oranges.

Orange Man Bad.

All jokes aside, regarding OSCE, it is in relation to religious human rights, no under the table world domination craziness that the global mafia is doing.

Anyone can become a an NGO, to our JW counterparts here, their history as an NGO is as visible as the grey hairs we end up getting on our faces and hair (I have never reached that point yet). However they wanted access to resources in 1991 and were told they had to become an NGO to gain said resources, to which they did and they became an NGO with a DPI status in 1992. Any NGO that has a say in UN decisions and affairs are the latter, ECOSOC status.

So for instance, you apply for as an NGO in the early 1990s, quick run through of paperwork and you are good to go, and you needed an NGO status to gain resources to let's say, usage of vegetation flora and any statistics in relation to vegetation and flora, now if it was the other status, you'd be the errand boy of the United Nations, technically signing yourself over to them and in this scenario, you can be just an ECOSOC and or both ECOSOC and DPI, and with this status, and being an errand boy, you are able to support and gain support of the UN and even gain ECOSOC affiliated sponsors, partnerships, and a list of other things, and the dark thing about it, you would not know what ungodly thing the UN wants to do regarding vegetation and flora. Perhaps halve the food supply or something to force a shift and or change a a group of people or something.

Not the best example, but I am trying to be brief right now and quick.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

You are so right, SM, I am “ignorant” of UN’s worldly dealings, since I try earnestly to be “no part of the world”.

And yet you find it fitting to accuse those who, as some claim to take part in things such as agenda 21 and a list of other things? Reasons why when it comes to such things, the term befits you well because this isn't the first time I had stated this to you.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

If it has been debunked, perhaps YOU can share this with @Equivocation as ‘food for thought’.

I am willing and able to share, as is with the history of things in regqards to the World of NGOs, and as an added benefit, for others to see.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

In the meantime, some things are just so blatant, they can’t be “debunked”.   This is for Equivocation to explore Watchtower’s worldly ties in Europe, even after it was revealed the organization had been a member of the NGO in the US for nine years. 

 It begins around 8:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChGGzgeP9d0

https://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/Session7/EG/EAJCW_UPR_EGY_S07_2010_TheEuropeanAssociationofJehovahsChristianWitnesses.pdf

And yet you haven't read the final portions of the very pdf you linked regarding religious human rights? This is the same article I brought up to so and so here in regards to Religious Rights - ironic I see it here again and like before, key points have been ignored by you, likewise, with the very person I linked this information to months ago here.

@Equivocation For starters, the video Witness linked this same man confused his audience on trust fund information, and in order to sway the masses on his side. A former JW who has dwelled in trust fund and financial information, of which I posted before, thoroughly exposed Mr. Zelda by bringing forth truth to claim on what a trust fund actually is, as can be read here so it will give you some enlightenment of who Mr. Zelda is and how one-sided it tends to be - even going as far as people bringing this up to him via comment only to be ignored.

What Mr. Zelda did not touch base further on in this regards is that not only the Jehovah's Witnesses/The Watchtower was an NGO (registered without signature in the 1991 after being informed to gain access to library resources, having registered as a DPI NGO in 1992) with a DPI status only, let alone go into detail of the DPI NGO documents regarding any one registering as an DPI NGO. A DPI means Department of Public Information. There is also another meaning regarding other things, UNDPI which stands for United Nations Department of Public Information. It is a department of the Secretariat of the United Nations that is tasked with raising public awareness and support of the work of the United Nations through strategic communications campaigns, media and relationships with civil society groups, as it stands today, the information on this matter can be found on their own website: http://www.un.org/en/sections/departments/department-public-information/index.html

In the United Nations' system, there are NGOs who are associated with ECOSOC which stands for and or means Economic and Social Council, and there are NGOs affiliated with, as already mentioned, the DPI, again, meaning Department of Public Information (DPI). In the history of the Jehovah's Witnesses affiliation with being an NGO, to which they were verified as to registering without a signature, for in the early 1990s, no signature was ever require in those days for the form that they used, for such was a simply fill in what is being asked of you.

Furthermore, most people, even those who buy into conspiracy tend to quote and confuse what a DPI is to an ECOSOC, vice versa confuse the two when in reality, both of such are different - ECOSOC I will go over shortly in my other response. To be brief and simple - They do not know the difference in NGOs affiliated with DPI status and a ECOSOC status, which is [this status] in fact quite common with NGOs nowadays.

This is an example of how such forms, well in template form, looks like nowadays, and in other cases, it mirrors as such electronically: https://outreach.un.org/sites/outreach.un.org/files/ngorelations_legacy/2016/10/Instructions.pdf

The other ones can easily be googled by both for you and those whoa re against you, however only one side sees the difference while the other equates both statuses as the same.

The opponents of your faith will bear claim that an outline from the letter shows that the Watchtower was an associated NGO (they haven't touched based on the DPI status) and to become associated required the Watchtower to accept the following as read below

I also advise you to take the time to look at this http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/13/ares13.htm

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Claim: that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter;

According to the 1946 General Assembly Resolution 13 concerning the purpose and activities of the DPI, which is to, according to the link to the website, to promote to the greatest possible extent and informed understanding of the works and purposes of the UN among the people of the world. For they are to use NGOs to provide the public with information about the UN.

It is not a resolution about NGOs supporting the charter of the UN nor is it a resolution about NGOs supporting the goals of the UN, or the sharing of ideals within the charter itself, more so NGOs part of the system posed by the UN.

The core purpose of DPI NGOs was primarily to provide the public with information about the UN. Which is vastly different from the opposite affiliation, ECOSOC. Resolution 1296, which was the first thing to have been written in the charter itself (also check out Article 71) to summarize, it says ECOSOC may make suitable arrangements for consultation with non-governmental organizations which are concerned with matters within its competence. Such arrangements may be made with international organizations and, where appropriate, with national organizations after consultation with the Member of the United Nations concerned.

A later resolution was later integrated by ECOSOC concerning NGOs,

ECOSOC, regarding Article 71 of the charter, recognizing that arrangements for consultation with non-governmental organizations provide an important means of furthering the purposes and principles of the United Nations. Considering that consultations between the Council and its subsidiary organs and the non-governmental organizations should be developed to the fullest practicable extent, Approves the following arrangements, which supersede those set out in its resolution 288 B (X) of 27 February 1950 — ECOSOC Resolution 1296 (XLIV) Arrangements for Consultation with Non-Governmental Organizations; 23 May 1968

This same resolution states about an ECOSOC NGO(s)  that one shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations.

Those who skip upon details to mislead and or confuse people, who boast that your faith community has agreed to support totally the United Nations were not taking in anything and everything regarding a DPI, but rather, using information regarding ECOSOC resolutions to go after some gullible Jim and Tom who would take information without dwelling upon more information for themselves, therefore, such ones tend to confuse the two, an NGO with a DPI status, and an NGO with an ECOSOC status, more so, they also fail to see how DPIs are totally separate from the UN department.

Since the NGO status of the Watchtower was only a DPI, and never was an ECOSOC (which if they were, it would have destroyed the Jehovah's Witnesses long time ago), so since resolution 1296 never applied to them since, again, never was an ECOSOC NGO.

have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

To be brief, I never seen them promote and or bring to claim anything in terms of a single world government that is Orwellian under the hands of man. Nor has it ever been seen among them showing support and or promoting things such as Agenda 21 for example, for such things are of the United Nations interest, and the majority knows what the United Nations is attempting to do.

have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.

This is often brought up, but to be brief, this can be refuted, that is, if you have said books or what have you in your possession, specifically anything in connection to whatever you have in the 1990s. Back in 1991, the Jehovah's Witnesses were informed of how they are able to gain access to library resources, and we know the result, they had to apply to be a DPI NGO in 1991, and finally verified in 1992, which allows them access to said resources, still a DPI NGO - not an ECOSOC NGO. Because of said access, they have been using the resources to their benefit, using the facilities available to them for the purpose in harmony with the DPI itself — to educate the public on the role and activities of the UN. To prove the organization is doing so, they must send copies of the organization's journal to the DPI as proof, which some on this notion tends to draw the conspiracy of UN area 52-qsue, Alex Jones level of conspiracy. After all, their purpose was to gain access to said resource. There is nothing wrong said action of acquire this resource, and it shows that they are making use of the resources, and attempt to promote values contrary to the UN charter. It is a sensible precaution on behalf of the DPI and completely appropriate. Those who dwell in conspiracy tend to focus on 1990 books and state that JWs are pro-UN and promoting to the public, not the resources they seek, but instead, the ideals of the United Nations. They also bring claim JWs are of the New World Order, again supportive of Agenda 21 - which as someone as myself who has dwelled on NWO information for a while, a long time, this can be spoken of as falsehood information to mislead people. And that being said, I well end it there should you feel the name to say something.

 

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

Here’s just one example of their involvement, reaching out to the UN instead of God for support.  There are many more.

Religious Rights and practice of religion, Witness? I have already touched base on this a number of times here, as is with others who have been defending the Bible, beaten for it, some even having to confront Satanist in public places and cemeteries. Even your own links show us clearly that the right to practice their faith and religious practices was under fire and what tactic was used by Egypt to remove their, in this sense, competition, which is a similar case with Christians who were formerly Coptic in Egypt, but these were not JWs and since they were not, they get threats instead, and how are you so sure they didn’t communicate with God regarding actions taken to prevent the cease of worship?

It did not stop our church fathers or anyone in connection to the disciples in ancient times who were on the same boat, now did it? Mainly when it came to real Christian teachings that were under fire.

Surely if I came to you and tried to nullified, even destroy your right to worship, you’d be on the defense as well, granted of how grave things can turn out in the long run.

That being said, regarding JWs and their issues in Egypt, the man in this image, on the far right side is named Pope Tawadros II, the leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria.

He had a role to play in the banning of Jehovah's Witnesses, which includes the claim of them being Zionist in Egypt. The Article you linked has given key points on this matter, it is no surprise that you haven't not read it from start to finish.

The article you provided points out that

Beginning in the mid-1950’s, a defamatory campaign was launched against Jehovah’s Witnesses, accusing them of being Zionists. The sources show that these accusations came from some ecclesiastical authorities who claimed that as many as 5,000 Zionists under the cover of the name Jehovah’s Witnesses represented a threat to State security. Those accusations were false. Egyptian Witnesses were then a very small group and absolutely not Zionists.

Onward, Tawadros himself was in on this and clearly does not like JWs, not only calling them a Sect, he also refers to them as Zionist, again, defamatory, and a false accusation.

• http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/101035/Egypt/Politics-/Pope-Tawadros-II-Jehovahs-Witnesses-is-unchristian.aspx
• https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pope-tawadros-ii-jehovahs-witnesses-unchristian-illegal-sect-092046732.html?guccounter=1

Yet Tawadros is a hypocrite because he affiliates himself with those in support of Zionism in the conquest for peace, examples like Pope Francis on the far left, who around the time was swaying religious leaders to side with him.

• https://www.timesofisrael.com/meeting-zionist-union-chair-pope-vows-to-help-bring-hamas-held-captives-home/

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

 In fact, Watchtower’s historic court battles are always fought on the worldly front.  If a case is won, they say God is responsible for their victory.

And your point? We were all not born yesterday. The Jehovah's Witnesses are not perfect persons, either am I, you, Rook and everyone else here as is the world. The imperfections of sin is in men, and such men can go into schools, churches, and other institutions, even clubs and sports and their taint effects people, especially those that are ill-equipped to handle such matters.

God our Father helps those who are for him, I do not see how something as such is what irks you.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

However, Russia steps in and wipes out their material holdings, and JWs begin fleeing the country. 

Correction. The timeline of the ban it began with an NGO who in connection with Aleksander Dvorkin has a hand in this, granted Aleksander Dvorkin was not favor JWs and sees them as a Sect whereas his following has complained about JWs, yet they never touched the elusive man who claims he is the Christ - Vissarion. Dvorkin's connection aligns with Putin's Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church to label non-Orthodox religions in Russia as extremist groups and eliminate them, this also goes for anyone caught in the cross-fires. The RoC however, was well aware of who the JWs are and does not like them, as well as see them as competition, hence why as soon as the JWs finally got banned, for a time the RoC sent out their own to take their place and they did so with forces, which isn't to far away from who they treated Russian citizens in the past, be it man or woman.

For no mercy is shown to anyone whom the Kremlin and or church has called extremist or a Navanly Hero or the fact that so and so's action is against Russia when it is not, this goes for a Librarian, this goes for a gamer, this goes for a little boy who quotes Shakespeare, all of which ends up reaping consequence.

That being said, if you think the Kremlin, the Duma, and the RoC has done justify, then it not only makes you ignorant of what was going on all this time in Russia, to some degree it makes you heartless for all of these Russians as a whole were the punching bag of this triad.

There has been Russian Christians who were not of the RoC who tried to help JWs, some of them were in fear because websites like this they were afraid of ending up on, to which, since prior to the ban to now, 777 Crew and many others won a nice victory over by taking down that website, but the main ones regarding religion that the FSB has is still unknown.

According to the 777 Crew, non-Orthodox Christians and several others, JWs are underground now but are continually hunted by the FSB and Kremlin, tampered JW material had been used to discredit them, more so, even in the Russian Schools, professors targeted JW students because said students were not of and or did not partake in the glorification of war, the event known as the Moscow Victory Day Parade in Russia. The irony before all this took place, prior to the French NGO, prior to the historic meeting between Cyrill and the Pope, Cyrill went to the south of the earth and has been said to have drawn spiritual energy from the earth itself or from some source, and as soon as he got back, before the Russian elections and the protesting, they had been targeting JWs at full force by means of twisting the Yarovaya law (Закон Яровой), even some Russians pointed this out months before.

Those who are with the 777 Crew and FREU are on the side of freedom, and are not fans of what the Russians have done to the JWs, as a result nor any non-Orthodox wish that on their own worse enemy because the ban has affected them also, you have people being arrested in the thousands (1,600+), you have the Bible being prohibited in Russia, you have the Duma making laws, some of them being of the most extreme, one in particular being broadcasting information. Like I said, there is a large amount of Christians even going as far as to defending JWs because they also see that what is being done isn’t right, and people being kicked out of their homes by means of demolish projects; and for a brief amount of time, the RoC has taken the place of JWs by going door to door to halt people by force.

All the while why Russian Media has been slandering JWs left and right to provoke people. So you tell me Witness, do JWs roll on the ground and slap each other on the backside with sticks, as proclaimed by the Russian media, Russian controlled media in fact? Do they heal people by using their hands, as mentioned by Russian media?

This is a strong example of how the MSM and the Triads of Power sees them, I had posted before the recent 2017 ones and I will gladly post them if need be.

 

Should they been targeted day in and day out even when they are not practicing their faith, for even recreational activities lands them in jail?

As the Russians have stated, a dark time will come over Russia. And you clearly have no idea of the very time-frame of the ban itself, not realizing various events taking place prior, therefore, your ignorance befits you well.

All in all, the pieces of the puzzle falls with Aleksander Dvorkin, and you not knowing him, only proves to me you know very little of all that came to pass in Russia up until Putin's election and his victory.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

The case presented by JW’s lawyers just didn’t save them, much to their surprise.

Again. You do not know the course taken by the RoC, the Duma and the Kremlin and the chaos that was going on 2017 to early 2018 in Russia. No one could win against the Kremlin nor stop them from taking up a victory in the election. Granted with what happen to that JW student, another reasons for the ban was that JW's neutrality poses as a threat to the Russian election, and makes them an even bigger target due to proclaiming said neutrality.

And it was not a surprise to them either because of the history itself in that country. This is excluding people vanishing off the streets in Chechnya.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

Where was God’s helping hand during that time?

God knows who is form him hence why he has not abandon anyone. I also know those of my sources who are Russian and live there, know for a fact what entails of what it means to be Christian, after all, they were formerly RoC until a certain band, which I rather not name here, did something that was uncalled for that opened a can of beans.

There is still a good junk of JWs in Russia, according to them, and they still continue their faith as the looming dark days of Russia is slowly approaching.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

To mitigate the conundrum, Russia is now prophetically proclaimed  by the GB as the “King of the north”. 

On the contrary, they have not just now made this claim. This has been stated by them for quite some time, perhaps for a long while now. In fact, they are not the only ones who believe Russia to be the King of the North, granted with what we are seeing today in the End Times and people believe things regarding the modern day Kingdoms.

People like Ewiak Ryszard and Hal Lindsey, Christians Scholars made that same claim about Russia being the King of the North – as is with others (granted with everything that took place after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union), it is not only the JWs who have said that. Moreover, if you knew Russia’s allies, what they can and will do as time processes and their affairs in parts of the world you would not even know they were in, people will come to that conclusion. Russia is the direct opposite of the US, and their allies.

When there is an establishment of power who seeks more power, there will always be another faction who is not on the same said as this establishment, but does their own ill deeds in contrast to the latter, who is doing ill deeds of their own.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

Ah, that remedies their problem of dealing with mass hysteria.  Apparently, God will step in soon and save the Watchtower idol.

Actually - no. Because the groups mention, and the non-Orthodoxy ones and others have brought to claim of what JWs are actually doing in Russia as we speak. Despite their ban, they are still practicing their faith, as they put it, in critical times hard to deal with. If you dwell on all things Russia and have sources there, you'd realize that. More so, you be well aware of all the events that took place in Russia but the fact you make no mention to that and the key things that led to the ban and a list of other things, proves ignorance. Reasons why I an relate to the 777 Crew, whereas one of them has stated Westerners do not know what they are dealing with, for in their case, they have been affected by the State Duma once those 2017 laws kicked in that effected their broadcasting outside of Russia.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

I am the Lord your God,
who teaches you for your benefit,
who leads you in the way you should go.
¹⁸ If only you had paid attention to my commands.
Then your peace would have been like a river,
and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
¹⁹ Your descendants would have been as countless as the sand,
and the offspring of your body like its grains;
their name would not be cut off
or eliminated from my presence."  Isa 48:17-19

Totally unrelated to what has been going on and how things are now and onward if you fail to realize events that took place in Russia. Majority of Christendom has been watching Russia since early 2016 - we were right.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

Membership is dropping, simply because the Watchtower is bolstering a lie and people don't want to hear it.

They haven’t been decreasing according to Christian adherent statics, they have been going up, as I had mention this time and time again. Only Mainstream, Christianity has been declining whereas minorities are untouched, evidence of this in regards to everything in regards to mid-2015 and onward whereas there has been more talk in the Trinity vs. Anti-Trinity space.

Therefore, there is no evidence of a huge decline regarding them.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

Another example.

https://www.osce.org/odihr/340991   

It isn't another example, it merely pertains to the previous link.

It states:

Only registered representatives of participating States, Partners for Co-operation, OSCE Institutions, NGOs, think tanks or others can submit documents to the ODIHR Documents Distribution System for distribution during the Human Dimension Implementation Meeting. ODIHR bears no responsibility for the content of such documents received for distribution, and circulates them without altering their content. The distribution by the ODIHR Documents Distribution System of documents received does not imply any endorsement by ODIHR and is without prejudice to OSCE decisions, as set out in documents agreed by OSCE participating States.

DPI NGO have representatives and they are able to send those who represent them to OSCE meetings. And regarding their history, it is in regards to Religious Rights, the freedom to practice faith and to profess it in the face of religious persecution and or discrimination.

To quote myself because I did speak on this before:

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Now, OSCE. Because the fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses have representatives there and or any religious denomination who attended the OSCE, does not automatically make them part of the World's Religious System, UNLESS, said religious groups are the one's pulling the strings behind everything and aiding that of superpowers, governments, United Nations decisions, and the like, those who have been upgraded from their DPI NGO status of course. In addition, the JWs, were an NGO with a DPI status - not an ECOSOC status, and the focal point in regards as to why such a thing is in this sense is in terms of Religious Human Rights - the ability to preach, proclaim, profess, pray, read, observe, essentially - the ability to practice one's faith without any form of consequence and or opposition.

In addition, it wouldn't make sense that the Jehovah's Witnesses helped in making decisions either besides defending religious/human rights regarding their own community, for instance, a French NGO had robbed them financially, Russia has been targeting them prior to the Kremlin Election and the Pope visit with Cyrill, Spiritual Power gain from Antarctica and the eventual ban. When it comes to the religious restorationism denomination of Jehovah Witnesses, for they, and others, had to deal with one category in the realm of persecution, to the Jews, they had to deal with Anti-Semitic actions from various folks, even from the likes of, to some extent, the UN’s; a convolution of discrimination and persecution as SoG puts it, on the other side of the spectrum, it is also the same case with other Christians and even those of Islam in the past in other instances.

Defending religious rights to prevent a cease of worship and or practicing of a faith doesn't equate to being part of the world and or the world’s religious system, for anyone with some sense and logic can see that i.e. if someone took all your bibles and burn them and commit to harm and injury, even torture to stop you from partaking your faith and worship – surely you’d speak up and go about things prayerfully. You really need to understand what OSCE even is (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe), there is information about it that can be found online (easily), but it seems you are one-sided, always, and surprisingly, you get your information from a guy who cannot tell the difference between a trust fund and a cereal box, thus misleading information misleads, and you, have been misled, hence why I called you ignorant, as is the same with the trust fund discussion, therefore the actual OSCE source itself should be looked at thoroughly, it should be examined, act least get a majority of information together to make a case and or to better understand something.

The OSCE conference the representatives of civil society sit with governments on an equal footing. Its extensive attendance list also included representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses at the time, in past events regarding OSCE, some individuals from Poland, Russia, Germany, and or any personnel in the European area(s) that attended i.e. an OSCE event in September 24 - October 5, 2007, which is equal to in this sense to most if not all events.

My older quote which is in relation to OSCE, as is due to my nature of typing fast back then there is typos, and I know how much you love my typos.

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First you need to understand what it means, OSCE means this: Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_Security_and_Co-operation_in_Europe

The OSCE conference the representatives of civil society sit with governments on an equal footing. Its extensive attendance list also included representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses; individuals from Poland, Russia, Germany, and or any persons in the European area that attended.

Not sure of the actual date, but if I am not mistaken it took place around September 24 - October 5, 2007.

The Jehovah's Witnesses made something fairly clear in one of their Awake magazines from 1997, whereas the topic in question says this: OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed?

It says:

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AFTER World War II, a power struggle arose between Western democratic capitalist countries and the Eastern Communist Soviet bloc. Each bloc developed its own security organization: the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in the West and the Warsaw Pact in the East.

By 1975 the Cold War had thawed enough for 35 States, including the United States and Russia, to sign what came to be called the Helsinki Agreement. The Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) was born. It was a multilateral forum for dialogue and negotiation between the two blocs.

At the Budapest Summit in 1994, the CSCE changed its name to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Today, it is composed of 54 participating States, including the United States, Canada, and all the countries of the former Soviet Union.

Its Objective

The objective of the member nations of the OSCE is to guarantee the security of Europe as well as to foster the implementation of human rights, disarmament, democratic freedoms and the management of regional conflict.

A summit meeting of the OSCE was held in Lisbon, Portugal, on December 2-3, 1996. At first, attention was focused on NATO, since several NATO members, including the United States, are in favor of the expansion of NATO to include more nations from Central and Eastern Europe. But rather than support the enlargement of NATO to include former Eastern bloc allies, Russia and some of her former Eastern bloc allies want the OSCE to become the forum for matters of European security.

The Russian prime minister, Viktor Chernomyrdin, said at the meeting: “We are in favor of strengthening the OSCE, which is the only place in Europe where all States can work together. It is the best international place for discussing security and defense.”

The radiant afternoon sun seemed to create a climate of general optimism at the close of the summit, despite the comments of the press regarding its nebulous results. Whatever success or failure the OSCE may realize, peace lovers everywhere can be assured that true peace and security will soon be realized earth wide under the rule of God’s Kingdom.—Psalm 72:1, 7, 8. —g97 8/22 p. 31 OSCE—What Is It? Will It Succeed?

From Jehovah's standpoint, is it alright for a worshiper of his to attend conferences of a worldly political organization, such as the OSCE, and address its delegates? Regarding Eusebius (Well known Church Father, best imho), who is highly regarded by many as "The Father of Church History," and who attended the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 C.E., convened by Roman Emperor Constantine, a A Watchtower article (2003, 7/15 , pg. 29-31) states the following:

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Why did Eusebius cave in at the Council of Nicaea and support an unscriptural doctrine? Did he have political objectives in mind? Why did he attend the council in the first place? Although all the bishops were summoned, only a fraction—300—actually attended. Was Eusebius perhaps concerned about preserving his social status? And why did Emperor Constantine regard him very highly? Eusebius sat at the right hand of the emperor at the council.

Apparently Eusebius ignored Jesus’ requirement that His followers be “no part of the world.” (John 17:16; 18:36) “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?” asked the disciple James. (James 4:4) And how appropriate is Paul’s admonition: “Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers”! (2 Corinthians 6:14) May we remain separate from the world as we “worship [the Father] with spirit and truth.”—John 4:24. —w03 7/15 p. 31 Eusebius—“The Father of Church History”?

The article, quoting from James 4:4, rightly notes that the friendship with the world is enmity with God, and if this applied to Eusebius back in 325 C.E. then it certainly applies also to Christians today, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. As the scripture goes on to tell us, "Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God."

There is good reason why God has told his people not to put their trust 100% in the nobles among them, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." - Psalms 146:3-5; compare to Jeremiah 17:5-8, 13.

The leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses know full well that one cannot be partaking of the table of God and the table of demons, without inciting Jehovah to jealousy -1 Corinthians. 10:20-22.

We personally do not know or aware of the things being done behind closed doors by the ones we look at to as our leaders, but we do know that everything is seen and heard by God, him with whom we have an accounting. Examples of this is Moses Sister Miriam and Aaron, even though Moses wasn't with them as they spoke, but God knows, God's eyes is on all who walk the earth, on the creatures that roam the lands and in the sea, in addition, this reflects Isaiah's prophecy rings for God's people today based on Isaiah 9:15-17.

Information on the Reformation:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41817418

Note: I will not go into detail of what it signifies, but this has caused mass concern for those within Christianity, well those who hasn't submitted themselves to side with the world religious leaders whereas for it's intentions and goals with aid from the UN. This event has put most Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses to have a common opponent, even some who are neutral with JWs share this common enemy.

What can be said is the Reformation is something that is not a good thing, to the world leaders and religious leaders of false teachings, yes, but never to those who know the bible, those who know God and Jesus, they won't fall to tactics like that so easily.

As for World Leaders, they are all join together, thanks to the UN, they were able to start their conquest for Peace.

Be careful of whom you cast your stones at.

 

Source: http://perimeno.ca/Letters_1107_OSCE.htm

 

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

There is one thing that I know that you don’t know, SM.

And that is exactly? You were not very knowing of Russia, or the situation in Egypt, or perhaps Religious Rights and so forth. And you let Mr. Zelda get to you once again regarding NGO status. There is a saying for that, Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

I can recognize Watchtower’s deception.

Then what is stopping you from proving that they have a status of ECOSOC whereas it enables any NGO to actually contribute to the plans, ideals and decision making of the United Nations?

Why isn't the Watchtower Interfaith if they are but of the One World Religion of the United Nations as with ALL Religious NGOs who are with the UN past, present and onward?

Any information as to how and why the JWs are somehow contributors of Agenda 21?

You can prove deception if you answer at least the very first one, otherwise you are casting stones into an empty sky, Witness.

On 12/16/2018 at 12:07 PM, Witness said:

You are ignorant of its power.

Really? Was this the same power you had when you professed  God sent Satan to do his bidding? Open your eyes Witness. Even Beasts in the field is able to tell when the sun is up and when it is down, we should be aware in this sense as they are, and be realistic. You do not have to agree with the Watchtower or the Jehovah's Witnesses at all, but to continue dwelling on conspiracy time and time again, you did not even utter a word of NGO status, and you expect people to fall in line with you?

At least be open to mistakes, something of which I am capable of doing, in your case, you own up to error and continue to walk in circles time and time again. I recall telling you, strongly, you keep on stumbling upon yourself, and here we see you have.

Be honest with yourself. Should your ability tow worship, pray and obverse, read and the like is in danger of ceasing, what would you do? Know this, there will be those who crack under pressure of persecution, strong persecution, and surely in my experience, despite this odds I still continue, I still maintain because my faith is my food, my water, and my sweat, in this sense, should you walk my shoes it would be burdensome for you, likewise, there are Christians out there who, like me, have suffered to only press forward.

That being said, stand up, and this will be the last time I will confront you on conspiracy because the next time, it will very direct.

As pertaining to the United Nations I will simply put it in this quote, whatever needs to be changed by me I will do it another time because I have also been working on a response for the other person, @Equivocation:

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Now, it is no surprise regarding the state of the Watchtower in the early 2000s and their status as an NGO associate. To be very brief, they never met a criteria, nor have they ever been sponsored/affiliated to the point whereas they have been or is obligated to do the bidding of the United Nations – which will be quite a monster of a nightmare to which they will end up abandoning their beliefs; after all, there mistake has not led them to become a faith that is open to Interfaith practices and ideologies. For this is quite obvious granted a Religious Movement (all of them the fruits of the same tree) within the United Nations that has been gathering religions of the world to enact on the agenda of the United Nations, i.e. never once you have seen the Watchtower advocate for unifying of all religions for the betterment of co-existing, seeking world peace by means of man’s hand rather than God’s, for, this is obvious because they have alienated themselves from Mainstream Christendom, reasons why they are seen and or called a sect and or a cult by others because, as Trinitarians put it, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not follow Mainstream Christendom (The core being the Triune Belief and practices) or the fact that Christians need not be organized because such is not something a Christian should do (and yet this form of thinking negates the First Century Christians and their practices as read in ancient church documents and the history we see in the Bible) or there is no need to proclaim the message (and yet the ministry and spreading of the gospel is riddled in the Greek New Testament), they never took a stance with other religious leaders for religious goals to satisfy the United Nations, they never had their say collaborating with any agenda presented to them.

The only thing they have done was take any information they get in order to cite something and or the like in terms of the resources in of itself – as is with everyone else, furthermore, The Watchtower, or Jehovah’s Witnesses in general tend to do anything and everything in order to prevent a cease in religious worship, and this is where OSCE comes in in terms of Religious Rights, which includes the right to and or the freedom to practice, which they have, which I have, which you have.

Someone defending their faith and preventing it from being ceased isn’t being part of the world, nor is it in connection to the Globalist Agenda, or the United Nations conquest for peace in terms of a One World Religion (for there is credible information on the religions who 100% side with the United Nations is with the conquest in play by the UN in terms of religion, which is in connection with their agenda).

It is also hypocritical, granted if you were in that position, you’d do the exact same to prevent a cease of your faith to practice, to cease anything and everything in connection with religious worship to God, and so forth, or in short – a total cut of and or alienation from God 100%, therefore, you end up dying Spiritually without even succumbing to anything sinful act that lands you a position of Expelling, therefore an Excommunication by means of allowance of termination of worship, of faith and service, depriving you, purposely. And I am 100% sure, Witness, you would never want that to happen to you, or would anyone want that to happened to them, but granted with the conquest for peace and number of movements and actions taking place, this is the case for some people, even Christians.

Now, The Wild Beast consist of those trying to reshape a couple of things, education, government and religion (as I have told you before, as to others), in addition, we have the financial system regarding world banks as well, now regarding religion, this is why I said a number of times and before that NGOs who are sponsored and signed up, including as to what they are affiliated by, to be on board with the United Nation's planning, their agendas, are the ones to look out for, for they are the real threats, mainly if they dip their hands in what has already been mentioned. There are well over thousands upon thousands of NGOs, the number of NGOs worldwide is estimated to be 10 million and counting, and some of them do not/has not signed on with the United Nations (but in this day and age, the majority join because they want more, hence why they shoot for the requirements for the criteria), for they want access to something and or resources to use for their own benefit and not having to do any legwork for the United Nations while others have that same milestone, but affiliated with decision making and the like for the UN. Those who do sign on, are the ones taking action in various areas of the world, i.e. Africa, The Middle East, Greece, Italy, majority of the EU, The Caribbean, and most importantly, The United States of America, whereas the United Nations have several cards up their sleeves regarding the Americans, to which one of these cards caused an abundance of anger back in August 11-12 of 2017 Charlottesville, Virginia regarding their response to the First Amendment; to which we know what will happened to Christians should that be tampered with. Regarding religion, there are many big players who are sponsored NGOs with an affiliated status i.e. ECOSOC or UNESCO, UNICEF, etc. who is on the side of the United Nations and doing the work of the United Nations, a DPI can’t really do much if they do not have the other ones mentioned tied down to them. We have examples out there who known, there is the Elijah Interfaith Institute, otherwise known as the E.I.I.

They’ve been around since the late 1990s, and what makes them a threat is the direct connection they have with powerful religious leaders, one in question, Pope Francis. They are affiliated in regard to United Nations affairs by means of UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization).

NOTE: UNESCO participates and fully supports the work of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) – which is the UN principal body for coordination, policy review, policy dialogue and recommendations on economic, social and environmental issues, as well as for implementation of the internationally agreed development goals. It further serves as the United Nations’ central platform for reflection, debate, and innovative thinking on sustainable development where many of UNESCO’s mandates and priorities are being discussed.

NOTE: The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) or in French, Organisation des Nations unies pour l'education, la science et la culture, is a specialized agency of the United Nations (UN) based in Paris, France. Its declared purpose is to contribute to peace and security by promoting international collaboration through educational, scientific, and cultural reforms in order to increase universal respect for justice, the rule of law, and human rights along with fundamental freedom proclaimed in the United Nations Charter. It is the successor of the League of Nations' International Committee on Intellectual Cooperation.

And speaking about the Vatican, they have several NGOs stem from their own branches from the E.I.I. such as the Carmelite, an NGO, who is sponsored, and it is not just a DPI, but also affiliated with ECOSOC, hence allowing a voice of theirs to be intertwined with UN affairs, they also have met the criteria to actually take part in any action and or dealings of the United Nations, in turn, being in total submission to them, in addition, this NGO , is comprised of religious lay men and women from around the world who are members of the Religious Order of Carmelite and or its affiliated Congregations and Institutes within the Catholic Church itself, for it is at the service of the people they serve and the people to help them meet goals for the betterment of themselves; the supported and the supporters, and the goal for them is the exact same as all religious NGOs who are on the side of the United Nations – Issues of Peace and unifying of the faith; as I told Mr. Butler before – Interfaith.

NOTE: It can be said that the Catholic Church has well over 15-20+ NGOs with affiliation to and or sponsorship of ECOSOC, all of whom maintains in total submission to the United Nations goals and decisions and so forth, even into this very day and onward.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower, who were formerly an NGO (no one is a former NGO, the status is ink to paper, paper to ink), and DPI affiliated, however, it was never sponsored at all. Nor do they have a DPI status that has never, if not, ever been flagged for renewal or changed into or tied with ECOSOC and or other. The Jehovah’s Witnesses became associated with the United Nations Department of Public Information (DPI) as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) back in 1992.

The library card statement is indeed true in regards to them, for they wanted to have access on health, ecological, and social problems from a United Nations library, of which they had been using for many years prior to 1991, for in this year, that is when they have been told in order to gain access to these libraries and or resources, they must be an NGO to gains aid access and they have submitted an application of NGO registration which during those days took time to be verified (in 1991 an NGO to sign a DPI requires no signature), this was the case with any and every NGO prior to the changes made regarding the United Nations and NGO relationships in 1994, to which said relationship has been worked on, and a new foundation being created, that being said, this is the result of their status of being an NGO with DPI status in 1992, more so, due to this new found status, they had access to these libraries, in addition, in the year 1998 (parallel from 2014-2005 revisions in the world of NGOs) during the 53^rd United Nations General Assembly regarding a new era and partnership with NGOs, as seen by this source (Paragraph) which shows us clearly how everything and anything pertaining to the world of NGOs is on a crash course for change: http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/53/plenary/a53-170.htm

NOTE: The Jehovah’s Witnesses and or entirety of the Watchtower, unlike ECOSOC sponsored and or affiliated ones does not support and or has shown ANY support to the Agenda 21. Let that sink in. Nor have they mentioned anything pertaining to ECOSOC sponsorship and or affiliation, hence, promoting United Nations’ agenda, ideologies, and resolutions, more so, a lone DPI, regardless of whichever NGO cannot do such unless they are also tag-teamed with ECOSOC (and all in connection with ECOSOC)

We can also pinpoint that there is a visible and yet obvious reveal that the United Nations relationships with NGOs be it ECOSOC and DPI is among said changes according to that document. Furthermore, in the late 1990s regarding global policies, an ECOSOC affiliated NGO has been publishing information regarding the United Nations, that both the worlds of the ECOSOC and DPI NGOs world is rapidly shifting into new territory, for there is all that pertains to activities, the needs, and changes of office. As with other events regarding documents, both lost and found in conjunction with what was mentioned in the last sentence.

The United Nations itself even stated that association of NGOs who are of a DPI status doesn’t constitute their incorporation into the United Nations’ system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff (staffers) to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status and or other.

The only reason Jehovah’s Witnesses got cut-off the latest version of NGO criteria rules was the result of the Jehovah Witnesses’ resignation [resigning]. For if they had continued, they’d break everything they stand for should they take in the sponsors and be affiliated with UN groups that allows them to have their voice in the matter of world affairs on the behalf of or in behalf of the UN itself and their circle of allies, and the Jehovah Witnesses’ religious faith and it’s community would not be under control of their church leaders whose dwelling place is in Orange County Warwick, rather, that of which they would have submitted themselves to if they had not resigned, meaning, all the world religious leaders, even its branches and connections, the Jehovah’s Witnesses would be a part of it, even affiliated with ECOSOC and their connections, in turn, they’d break away from their Restorationist roots like their counterparts and being open to and embrace Interfaith teachings and practices, even, ironically enough, be open to the belief of Mary being the Father of God (accepting it because they are of the interfaith), they’d be open to Triune Godhood Doctrine thus becoming Trinitarian (for currently they are primarily Non/Anti-Trinitarian and should they accept since most religious ECOSOC NGOs accept this, the JWs have no choice but to embrace the Trinity), they’d be open to holiday celebrations coming back into their churches (because interfaith counterparts partake in said holidays) and they would also submit to the Interfaith practices of the One World Religion (being among the religious leaders for seeking and being on a conquest for peace and religious co-existence), they have no choice but to submit, more so, you’d see their leaders at the Summits with other religious leaders and perhaps even the Kairos and Together events, side by side with Kenneth Copeland and the other Charlatans, which takes place on a yearly basis, as well as throwing their political neutrality in Gehenna itself, in which they will encourage all active and practicing Jehovah’s Witnesses to partake because they are in total submission to the One World Religion Banner of the United Nations, and all things, they will get sponsor after sponsor, one after another, even renewals of status, making the Jehovah’s Witnesses in this “Else-World based scenario” of a reality a big threat, and an enemy against True Christians, a big one due to those on said conquest on the behalf of the UN.

Surely this would be a victory for you, Witness (a fairly good one), if that was the case, if that was the reality, but unfortunately it is not. True Christians know who their enemy is, we know how the United Nations have been operating since the day CNN founder, Ted Turner said what he said in the early 2000s, we know how to evade the governmental, financial, the educational system and the religion of the Wild Beast, but you cannot see past your fingers on your own hands or the toes on your foot, on this matter, therefore, if you are as unaware of this matter and who is who, who is truly the real enemy in the battle of Christendom, let alone being acceptive of conspiracy (which I believe this is about the 10^th or so time I called you out on this), then I say you, truly, your ignorance casts bigger shade of shadow than the stones of old that sit, to this day, in the ruins of Babylon.

Anyone can make claim the Watchtower was an NGO, ink to paper, that is and will forever will be with them for an NGO is still an NGO, although some see such as a mistake, but not realizing at all about the biggest bullet they had dodged when the changes have been set in motion within the world of NGOs according to the UN document. But one cannot claim them being affiliated with the United Nations affairs and the agenda that will soon come to pass, 2020 and onward, especially Agenda 21 of all things, for if they are not and or have no affiliation to and or sponsored to ECOSOC (for if that was the case, any JW who speaks of the UN, even debate strongly on the matter til the sweat of their brow hits the ground, should the Watchtower having been in connection with ECOSOC which is the puppet from the branches of the UN – all their words would be of hypocrisy, all their words would be indefensible to which the Jehovah’s Witnesses would end up as fools, jesters in the court), only then your claim of affiliation – would have been very true, however, since this isn’t the case, it falls flat, and using conspiracy befits the claim of you being ignorant, as you were before, as you are now, as is with any conspiracy you bring forth in continuous beckoning calls with no legitimate information on what has been brought up.

It is one thing to accidentally be misinformed of something or someone. But to go to great lengths to use the backing of one-sided information when the truth is actually out there in this matter, mainly when it comes to NGOs, this can be said – the information regarding NGOs as with DPIs cuts like a hot knife through butter.

As for the topic at hand, they have every right to condemn the United Nations, as is all persons who know the Agenda that is in the process.

On 12/16/2018 at 11:35 AM, JW Insider said:

How and where was this information from @Witness debunked? I thought that some of the claims had been exaggerated, but this was just my opinion. I also saw an attempt to debunk these claims that was little more than a collection of opinions.

I assume then that you have the research?Some of the claims have been brought up before regarding OSCE and the claims of the faith community being in total subjection to UN agendas and affairs, even going as far as some making claims that the faith community in question has some crazy thing to gain out of the UN, as is their other counterparts who have long since sold themselves by upping their status and affiliation.

Because it is. An NGO, all who register can take up a DPI status, mainly if it is to gain access to something and or some resource, moreover, DPI NGOs are suppose to have representatives to represent said NGO in some instances, i.e. OSCE whereas in this case, the whole OSCE isn't some meet up for pushing the UN agenda, in religious cases, it is in regards to religious rights if a faith and or community is a target of persecution and or anti-semitic and or discriminative situations. An NGO can have a role and or say in United Nation affairs, even decision making of things if they have an affiliation other than a DPI, sometimes, some NGOs have both. An example would be ECOSOC whereas that status lands you in the spotlight of the United Nations whereas your actions actually means something. Most NGOs with this status tends to take up human rights work and so forth sponsored ECOSOC NGOs tend to also have partnerships, as well as extensive programs that increases their efforts and or actions which correlates to United Nations goals and or agendas.

Everyone has attempted and such ones and there are some out there with legitimate information should they dwell on the world of NGOs and their history, mainly with the changes that took place in the 90s and onward.

That being said, I find it hard to believe people can be one-sided and also believe that you community is for and supportive at the time for an agenda that those knowing of what it entails has a disdain for.

I have, and I mention bits of it before regarding NGO status, and have talked about OSCE before, but as always, such things are usually brought up mid-discussion.

@Srecko Sostar So then regarding what yous said

Are you willing to kill/inflict harm on to someone regarding an event or no? Regardless of the answer - as a Christian?

Not a lot of us have such problems, let alone have the need to even consider such, in my case, I am already as intimidating as it is, but am a nice guy, other times, as mention before, I was compared to a WWE wrestler and a NFL player a few times, for in the US, people tend to not mess with you depending on appearance most of the time, sometimes be it of race or background as well.

I have met with Christians who are not following the Bible all the way and are willing and ready to kill people with a firearm, a rifle and or other that puts you in Sheol before you can spell "God". One example is regarding what took place on a college some weeks ago regarding atheist, and to quote one Christian he says

• Deus Vult (meaning God Wills) these guys have been ruining Christianity for the longest time, they deserve death and should be killed on sight.
• Other commentor: Dude chill your corn rolls, Christians should not be in such position to say such things. The Bible says do not murder [or kill]
• [the two went back and forth about the word "kill" and bible strongs and the first guy sees the other guy as not a true Christian]
• You are not a True Christian, you Protestant scum, a Christian is not by word, but of action
• Other Commentor: Is it 420 already? I'm not a Protestant you idiot, you got prove to back that up? Regardless of what you say, we as Christians SHOULD NOT BE DOING THESE THINGS OR WISHING DEATH ON ANY MAN.
• These atheist should die or be killed, regardless if they are a man, a woman even a child
• Other commentor: You are crazy, God does not want us to be killers, we are under a new covenant. Let this sink in, demon, Jesus stopped his disciple from attacking someone with a sword, although he manage to cut his ear, take in the lesson of what Jesus said.
• [Onward from this discussion other Christians hopped in to expose this guy]

 

I am paraphrasing from memory, but this discussion was a big one, it took place under an RT News video regarding religion some weeks ago.

Clearly not a lot of Christians are for taking someone's life, mainly if you have not done it before, and there are those justifying the old law to partake in the killing when Jesus abolished such and clearly arguments like this will take place.

You can defend yourself, but you cannot and should not kill, and as in defense, you should be able to defend without inflicting bodily harm because that is wrong and such can and will be used against you to make you appear as the villain, the bad guy. So if someone provokes you and you harm them, they will make a case that Srecko Sostar has hit them, should it be a woman who has provoked you, you will be, especially in America, in a world of hurt because she can claim physical and or sexual violence when in reality she was the aggressor who has provoked you.

That being said, what is wrong with Prophet Isaiah? You do realize some of what he said is still intact regarding even Bible Principles, right? Or should we cherry pick and pretend what has been said to not have some sort of importance?

Also violence begets more violence. Defending oneself in ignorance can and will put you and or your family, friends, even a bystander at risk where they end up injured and or dead themselves, most of these cases take place around the world, one of the common places are areas like Brazil. An example, taking action on someone may result in that person following you to your home, to your job, seeking you out and will spare no mercy or pity to anyone else hurt in the pursuit.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. But now you have to deal with the laws of the land in this sense regarding child abuse and reporting such, and the fact that some people tend to not get involved with such because it can put them at risk themselves and or their household.

 

That being said, I have cut all electronic use for 2-3 weeks now and had gone off-grid, so to speak. I do not recall making a thread on this matter, but making a response to someone, even mentioning 2 videos of girls escaping their captors.

 

Odd, true, but I guess information like this has to be reviewed thoroughly by others.

1 hour ago, Nicole said:

I haven't heard about that story 

He's referring to something, a joke that derives from the Otaku Community (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku), to which most opponents of JWs refer to it as Bethel Pillows.

NOTE: In the Otaku Community and it's Culture, a dakimakura (抱き枕) (from daki (抱き) "to embrace or cling" and makura (枕) "pillow"), is a type of large pillow from Japan. The word is often translated in English as a "body pillow". In Japan, dakimakura are similar to Western orthopedic body pillows, and are 'commonly' used by Japanese youth as "security objects".

NOTE: During the 1990s, dakimakura began to intertwine with Otaku Culture, leading to the production of pillow covers featuring printed images of bishōjo and bishonen in laying poses from various anime or bishōjo games. Many of these early otaku dakimakura covers were released through Cospa, a character goods and apparel store which continues to release official dakimakura covers to this day. Although sometimes called a "Dutch wife", the original definition of this phrase is closer to the chikufujin, or "bamboo wife". 2015 saw some of the first talking body pillows with Ita-Supo and its mascot, Rina Makuraba. It was invented by former Kyushu Institute of Technology researcher, Koichi Uchimura.

Examples:

 

Legitimate Christian Communities who fight against porn and masturbation consider such jokes as an offense and they are offended by this. Reasons why when in another discussion, I copy/paste the comments of some people here who joked about this in which such persons had been, so to speak, grilled, by the Christian Community, some comments I rather not quote because the whole pillow joke thing was highly offensive. I rather not say the names of whom in question on this forum.

 

In my case, having experience, speaking to children and teens about this matter, having a brother who had several years battling porn and masturbation hence being victim to it, even having a friend who was at the door step of the Adult Industry, ended up taking her own life in feeling guilty - such things I do not consider it as a joke as most people do. True Christians, in this matter, do not joke about these things, those that do, needs to self evaluate themselves and re-read some passages and parables in the Bible.

 

That being said, I do not see why people tend to joke about a legitimate problem, not having a or lacking in a concern of helping such persons, but that is what separates a real Christian from a pretender, or a provocateur.

 

But yes, Otaku Culture and it's community has a strong love for anime, some to the point they will take any sex appeal-sque character from said anime and put it on to a Body Pillow, in some cases, will lead to acts of viewing of pornography of said character, which is flooded all over the internet (reasons why parents need to filter their internet, mainly when there is brazen images of even young characters from said shows/anime produced) as with the urge of masturbation, which is common to single souls of that community.

It is not too far off from the Bronies and the Furries. Otaku Culture is very strong in the US and the EU. Some of these guys who have gone to far are often made fun of, however what the people do not realize those in that community tend to cope because of depression and often stumble on to brazen acts, hence why good souls need to help such ones, to reason with them and so forth - one of the things I am for regarding helping these guys.

@Arauna Indeed. Guess where those (a few among many) affected by the fires in California will soon be going? Smart Homes.

The UN agenda seems like a joke to some, we are even called crazy, but in the end they do not realize how grave these agendas from the UN actually is. We already have NGOs doing some of the most absurd in the EU regarding migrants.

The people are gullible just as they were in Washington and Texas and elsewhere regarding the role the UN has regarding religion, just as they were when the UN also has their hands in the education system and how they are grooming out children, even in colleges and universities with utter subtly.

The one world movement of such ones will harm the people greatly and it falls in line with an Orwellian Future as read in the 1984 book.

Vous pouvez dire aux gens encore et encore et ils ne veulent pas écouter. Ironiquement, avec le temps, les gens ont tendance à remarquer leurs propres erreurs à cet égard et à apporter des corrections positives.

@Kosonen Always prepared. Also next time, be very careful of posting information from the MSM, mainly when it comes to France for the MSM has been spreading misinformation about the Yellow Jackets, they speak of them in a bad light, not realizing that there are truthers out there who exposed their false information about what is going on in France.

 

Moreover, the Yellow Jacket Movement has been spreading to areas outside of Paris, outside of France, furthermore, there are more Nationalist going into the group as with others who have ill intent, resulting in the original movement to look bad in the eyes of the MSM to exploit it.

@JW Insider It's only a matter of time when Google and others dwell even further into A.I. and Robotics.

7 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Google now has AI technology that records data like Alexa. 

Do not trust A.I. Technology. The general public are unaware, even ignorant on this notion.

On 12/8/2018 at 3:39 PM, Anna said:

I have a dark web right outside my bedroom window, with a big spider in the middle of it . Sorry, I know you are being serious. It's good we have google, although of course we need to find the right pages, because there is a lot of biased stuff out there. As I said, generally I do not buy into conspiracy theories, but I also know that the average person doesn't know the half of what's really going on.

Seconded. Some who has no idea who are conspiracy theorist who spread misinformation has no idea of the giant monster that hides under their bed, in this case, within the very fabric of the government and their connections, or that of the global mafia. Only a few people speak the truth of what this is, but not all.

The Dark Web is a place you do not want to go to and I say this because of experience in my younger years, this was some months after 9/11 well into my early teens. On the surface some go their to look for things they cannot find on the normal internet, others uses the dark web for easy access to prostitution or sell oneself into prostitution, other instances regarding money exchange, etc. Going deeper into the Dark Web however, is a whole other beast altogether, some corners far darker and mental conflicting than the other.

If I had to compare it something, the deeper you go it is like going to the deepest parts of the ocean whereas there is no light and the fish down there looks like something out of a monster movie. It is so dark it is like the sun has gone out, and if we have to get biblical, Exodus 10:21–23 whereas the deepest and darkest corners of the dark web can be felt, even mentally.

That being said, if you want my advise, it is better for someone to explain it to you in full detail rather that going there yourself if you are unprepared of what you will stumble upon.

On 12/8/2018 at 8:52 AM, Josué2 said:

Les anges ont célébré la naissance de Jésus combien de fois ?

Et ou dans les évangiles Jésus demande de célébrer son jour de naissance?

Et ou il dit que c'était le 25 Décembre?

Les anges ont célébré la naissance de Jésus combien de fois?

• Les anges étaient déjà au courant de la venue du Messie. Nulle part ils ne se sont organisés pour célébrer l'anniversaire de Jésus avant sa mort.

Et où, dans les évangiles, Jésus demande de fêter son anniversaire?

• Il ne nous a pas vieux pour fêter son anniversaire, si quelque chose nous a dit de nous rappeler sa mort.

Et où il dit que c'était le 25 décembre?

• Les Romains ont trompé les gens. Jésus n'est jamais né à cette date.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Space Merchant  said "It didn't stop the early Christians who wanted to ban such things"  Could we have some enlargement on this please. 

The three 'wise men' that took gifts to Jesus on his birth. Were they offering 'birth-day presents' ?

Were you that unaware of why and when those men showed up? It was not due to a Birthday celebration, no, it is because of what the people had been hearing about, learning about for years upon years regarding a prophet of whom God will put His Word in this prophet's mouth, the very man who is of the Seed, the very one whom is to be the coming Messiah - the one every man, woman and child was waiting for.

It would be wise to re-read the passage and why they felt the one they deem of high importance is whom and why they gave the gifts.

More so, clearly them being out there, it was not December, according to the Jewish Calendar and what the Bible tells us.

As for my response, it pertains to what I had told someone regarding Christmas some months ago and how early Christians banned the holiday and it's practice, considering it "Unchristian"

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

And ( and i promise you this is not of my own originality ), an Elder once said that the gift of the Holy Spirit from God to Jesus Christ, was given to Christ on his 30th birthday. A present at Christ's baptism.. Don't shoot me down for telling the truth of what I'd heard. Unusual thought that one. 

Ok, regarding birthdays clearly there was no mention of Jesus celebrating it - anywhere. The only thing Jesus had instruct us to focus on is his death and what it means. I doubt Jesus would want anything to do with the Temple of Diana and it's practices.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

And what is that scripture about 'one man thinking one day is different from another, whereas another man thinks all days are the same' ?

You referring to Romans 14:5 which reads  One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

cross-references being Luke 1:1, Romans 4:21, 14:23, Galatians 14:23, and Colossians 2:16.

As we can see, we do not see any account, on Jesus' part, celebrating his birth or that of others. The Jews, prior to Jesus knew of the coming Messiah, but when and where it was unknown until Jesus was born, for they knew what the horn of salvation is - The Messiah, the one called the Christ, Jesus.

That being said, the verse in question was more focused on the Sabbath with all, if not most, pertaining to it, no Birthdays or Christmas.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

SM, I think 'the problem is  drawn' when people poke their noses in where they are not needed. God Himself, through Jesus Christ, will do the judging. Who are we to judge our brother ? Straw and rafter come to mind. 

Does this include God himself? Granted with how strong His disdain for pagan practices was, one instance where God Himself emotionally reacted as read in the Old Testament? You do realize what God has said about such ones who do not turn away from doing these things - right?

It is not about judging, it is about proclaiming the truth of the Bible, what God Himself had said should such people do not turn from such things - it is as clear as day, Mr. Butler, this should not have been ignored by you.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Pagans breathe you know. Maybe we should all stop breathing. Stopping everything just because pagans do it is not the true answer is it.

Of course they breathe, but it did not stop them for stopping the breathing of God's people in ancient times, turning them into targets, subduing them into immoral and disgusting practices and so forth. Should you say anything, you days to walk the earth will be numbered, on the other side of the spectrum, such ones if you were alive in those days, would consider your death a blessing.

Pagan practices should NOT INTERTWINE with Christianity, not even 0.1% of it. God's people in the past didn't leave a single idol in the temple, so should we, granted that such things offend God greatly, therefore, we adhere to what God our Father says, he detests such things, we should not be ignorant or turn a blind eye to such things.

They may seem harmless to you, but likewise that of the Temple of Diana and her disgusting practices, it can affect people, in this case, God's people.

You can play games with children, Super Mario, Zelda, Megaman, what have you, but you cannot play games with God - it will not let that slide.

That being said, you have to realize that such things, mainly if you are not cautious and aware can spell danger for you, and give you an influence of carelessness in this domain - do not be THAT guy.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Balance, mercy, love, understanding. Forgiveness, not being domineering, not pushing our own ides onto others. Qualities like those are much more important than obeying 'rules'  laid down by other humans.  

Unfortunately, they are not my ideas. God's disdain for such practices that dwell with evil spirits and or the like is something he hates, a strong hatred for, which has been proven clear in the Old Testament. People are lucky today because they have a chance of repentance, so us as Christians, it is a duty to teach people what is right, righting their wrongs, should they accept it.

Should they continue on such a path, adhering to pagan practices that never originated with the church, or that of what the Romans had perverted into Christianity - that person will deal with God. You knowing they do such things and not doing something to convince them to leave such practices only puts you in subjection.

 

There is no middle ground and you cannot be for both sides.

Regarding birthdays, it is not unknown to anyone that God is not a fan of false gods, in this case, goddess: https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/goddesses/artemis/

So consider such as a warning so you too can warn others, this also goes for Christmas that has nothing to do with the Christ.

On 12/10/2018 at 7:37 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

There are some, such as @Space Merchant who indeed seem to have masses of knowledge, but is it really of any use when searching for truth about God and God's purpose ? Is it what God wants from us, to be highly educated ?  Certainly not in the eyes of the GB, whom advise against higher education. 

Indeed, I am knowledgeable, and yet time and time again I state I am a follower of the Christ, who seeks truth in the Scriptures, a slave servant to the True God and so forth. I don't see how I was not clear for over a dozen plus times in this regard.

Now for the questions

[A] Yes it is necessary to have wisdom, or as you put it, spiritual wisdom, so you can spot truths and untruths, as well as dealing with people who profess a false teaching and or practice, which 1 John 4:1 can come into play when testing the spirit. This also goes hand in hand with the truth of something outside of the realm of the Bible, hence why I am vocal and speak strongly against conspiracy and or false information, a number of times on this forums and elsewhere.

God wants us to have wisdom, to be knowledgeable. When it comes to Scripture, I can sum up everything in a single verse

• 2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Therefore, you have to be wise, when it comes to people who preach God is a woman, or those who preach that drinking poison makes you a True Christian, and or those who preach Adam has more than one wife, and a list of other false doctrines and heresies known to man.

Speak the truth against untruths, that is what I do, and as someone who is technically a truther, I speak against conspiracy and falsehood also.

One does not need higher education to study the Bible. A poor homeless man can teach you Scripture when his only educational background is middle school level.

Wisdom regarding the Scriptures can be learned by all men, and such men can speak the truth vs. those who preach falsehood.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Space Merchant It is also said even the demons will be hurled into the abyss also. I don't remember the passage on the top of my head.

It wouldn't make sense for them to come out of imprisonment either, and the fact the locust are those who are against false religon. 

Someone briefly talked about this today.

Look at Matthew 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20 and Luke 8:26-39 regarding demons being expelled into swines aka pigs, the unclean animal.

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I am O.K. with whatever happens except if when the gates of the Abyss are opened, out pops Jimminy Cricket, and Caleb and Sophia.

If they are among the chosen ones. Now I imagine a Cricket going after the Pope of the Vatican regarding Bible truth, non-stop.

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

What is the difference between blasphemy, and heresy?

Blasphemy - the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.

Hersey - belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine; opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Well the UN can not be trusted. Have you seen what their loyal NGO who applies their goals are doing in Africa?

Indeed, mainly with the coming of their agenda, what took place in California regarding the fires and onward.

As for Africa, with what went down in the months that came to pass was regarding migrants, moving them into European countries whereas NGO were teaching the migrants to lie.

I can go far in depth on this but that will be like 2 pages, coupled with a transcript of legitimate information regarding this.

The NGOs in question, who are doing the bidding of the UN are the ones who are sponsored by them.

It is not just Africa alone per-say, but also the Greek Islands whereas NGO partake in legal aid, coaching, etc and told where they would go in the EU or Athens, so forth. They are aided by officials of the government in question of where this has been taking place, moreover, this has gone about regarding 15,000 people already and more; essential industrialized legal aid, so to speak, even Universities such as Cambridge, Denver and Oxford are involved, linked with the international Bar association.

But yes, only being breif here but for now, this is but a cookie out of the jar for you.

This information you would not be able to find on normal media granted that this was available months ago until it was being shot down by various MSM sources. This is why it is good to save what little information you can before it is wiped out totally.

 

@Witness This has already been debunked, any NGO that is associated with the UN will have met the criteria, they would also have an ECOSCO and or an equivalent as a sponsor.

The fact you are ignorant of this information proves that your claim that is like snow has touched flames before it can go on any further, and I say this because as someone who has watched the UN for nearly a decade, know who among the NGOs is for and or not for the UN, and so forth.

 

Do the research.

@Anna It depends on what you want to know. I myself is also a Truther to some extent, as they call it. Reasons react and or make response regarding falsehood and or conspiracy of any kind.

That being said, it would depend on what you want to know. The Global Mafia, The New World Order, One World Religion, Deep State, The Shadow Government, the Dark Web, Information about the Middle East, Israel, Russia, etc.

Knowing these things is important and in some cases, it is key, mainly when dealing with folks who are ignorant of truth and or do not know any better.

Matt, It isn't JWs alone last I explained to you. It didn't stop the early Christians who wanted to ban such things, and yes. God isn't a fan of pagan-like practices.

There is no problem with gifts, however, the significant of a gift when it comes to specific days, that is where the problem is drawn.

 

Other than that, as for others, mocking is beneath any man who is a follower of Christ, in doing so, one reduces themselves to a worm beneath notice.

Some people enjoy their money too much they tend to be careless (at least the Sunglasses didn't suffer from the impact)

And the debt clock continues to rise, and rise, and rise, and rise... and rise some more: http://www.usdebtclock.org/