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  1. 52 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    By your hand ? Not by God's hand.

    God instructed us to teach our children so that they know right from wrong, so that they can make positive decisions that does not put them in a negative light. For we are to pass on knowledge and wisdom to our children, just as Mary and Joseph did the same for Jesus, as is with others and onward.

    Jumping to conclusions, quick to speak you, are not well open to reason and succumb to something without knowing.

    54 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    None of us know when this old system will end. None of us know who will survive and who will perish. 

    And yet the Bible informs us to be vigilant, to endure the End Times, therefore as True Christians we are to do as such, as Jesus. Those who alienate themselves from God and or is against him will be the ones to perish, those for God, who serve him, the righteous and the meek, those who are the stones and understand who God is, his Son and the Kingdom - these people will survive and they continue to build up their faith in God's Word.

    56 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Do you not believe in One Ark = One religion, to survive Armageddon ?

    Those for God, those who maintain faith will indeed survive. Granted with what I had posted before, it is obvious to the view of Armageddon.

    One Ark? is this of some concept of your own design and or someone else?

    58 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Can a Unitarian and a JW both survive ?

    Those who maintain faith in God and adhere to his laws, let alone the teachings conveyed by the church by means of the Scriptures. - Yes, such people will survive, especially when God himself knows who is for him, who are his people and who abides by he says by means of his Word, and or Purpose and Will.

    Biblical Unitarian, please be more specific.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Must your family be Unitarians to survive ?  

    Is that by your assumption? I was quite vocal on the righteousness and the Meek and the fact that God knows who is for him. I did have a lengthy dialogue with several on this notion.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Do you know who the true Spiritual Jews are ?

    I understand it it entails, also not the best idea to confuse it to Spiritual Israel, of which I know who are under such and what it is validated by, granted what e can take from the Scriptures.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    After all the scripture says we should hold on to the 'skirt of a Jew' and we 'should go with those people'. 

    But do you understand what Zechariah 8:23 entails? I believe I explained it to you before.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Here on the forum many have different opinions as to who those Spiritual Jews really are. 

    And yet only a few understand what the bible says in this regard.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    I came seeking wisdom and have found none. 

    Well that is why it is viable to do research and read, so that what you know from the Scriptures you can teach, help those to be knowledgeable and spread wisdom, as well as good examples expressed by means of the Bible, in addition to Bible Principles, something of which is very evident in what I profess by means of the Scriptures and what I conveyed about teaching our young ones so when they grow up themselves, they can teach those younger than them, such of which is a responsibility, don't by their hand, as did by mine, as did my own Father and his Father.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    I have only found people that love to disagree with each other.

    Perhaps go down to their level and understand where hey are coming from, and maybe you might see for yourself. But clearly seeking out a forum isn't the best of places. I can recommend a place, but clearly such is to difficult for you mainly on your part. Therefore, be committed to biblical studies and research, something of which can be done on your own.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Hence i am now turning it into a game. I visit this site for a laugh.

    You seem to grown for games. We should be focused on the Bible, if not here you can handle, then do so on your own accord, read and research on your own accord, of which has not stopped anyone be it of a denomination or not.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    It's impossible to know truth from lies, lies from mistakes, genuine feelings from wind up merchants.

    Perhaps being commit committed to false information and conspiracy will do that to such a man. As is with many others. CSE folk look for every bit of information that is factual.

    1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    I will agree with you on your last sentence. Happy are those who serve the True God.  But it's knowing the 'proper way' to serve God that is confusing. 

    It isn't confusing if you take the time to research and read. When you know truth you can correct people who take up falsehood or accursed teachings that did not originated with the early Christians nor entrusted by the Christ to the church.

    To correct confusion simply read and do the research, encourage others to do the same.

  2. Pretty much of what I had made mention of before, as of this was recent. A 35 year old Japanese School Administrator, Akihiko Kondo, could not handle being rejected by women and does not wish to be rejected again. But he has sought out a relationship that is clearly not ordinary. In order to fill that void and fear of rejection, he decided to find love b means of a Japanese character 初音 ミク otherwise known, in English as Hatsune Miku.

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    Mr. Kondo spent $18,000 dollars (2031030.00 yen) on this wedding and walked around with a doll version of Hatsune Miku.

    That being said, there is a major problem in Japan whereas there is little to no relationships, thus putting the population of Japan at risk as seen by some. About 31% of adults ages 18-34 are still unmarried and or not in a relationship.

    Who is Hatsune Miku: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune_Miku

    The First Hologram of virtual J-pop icon Hatsune Miku was present back in 2010-2011:

    Note: Hatsune Miku was not the only hologram some years ago. Rapper 2-Pac (Tupac Shakur) as well as Michael Jackson were also holograms who prepared in a concert-like fashion, the only difference is 2 are based on real people, the other is an popular Japanese anime character.

    https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/11/japanese-pop-star-takes-the-stage-as-a-3-d-hologram.html

    Only a matter of time until conferences and a list of other things will go hologram in this way shape or form, even communication also.

     

    That being said, the stuff such as this on seeking inanimate things and or virtual as mates, well the VR chat thing is an issue, it will pose as a problem for young people into adulthood, as it has been as of late with some today.

  3. Peace and Tranquility. Knowing that by my hand the next generation that is of my family and other families can teach and make good decisions and in turn next the next generation to do the same. The core of that happiness is a total trust in God and his Word, and what his Son Jesus had proclaimed about the gospel and onward. Sticking to what is true brings forth to me a positive outlook, knowing, that when the days conclude, others from my family and even friends will be brought back to share in that same happiness regarding God as I have.

    Happy are those who serve the True God.

  4. 49 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Yes, you are free to have your free thoughts about all. Will you be so kind to tell us: Why you thought, all this time, she was male? What reason you have to thought that way all this time? 

    Perhaps because it was mention just now. Granted in some instances if you knew this yourself you'd would have brought this up in many instances in order to correct me.

    Regardless, it still does not negate the actions of a few to define all persons of that faith, nor does it disqualify one to speak up on falsehood, misinformation, and or conspiracy.

    49 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Well, is it possible how your own a predetermined idea caused wrong perception? Not only in gender issue, of course :)))

    So can you inform me as for months that went on by from 2017 up into now nearly 2019 when I just no found out this revelation it is somehow a predetermined idea? For when I assumed she was male did it not come to you during those times to correct me when I said it, let alone she herself would have corrected me but only now this is known?

    Gender issues, no because I defended that, even against you I have. But be it of any gender regarding the church, how the church was brought about still stands, no one can change what God has put in motion and what his Son has built. One of the issues in regards as to where I strongly disagree with those who profess that let alone those who adhere to utter silence and no roles given.

    49 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    .... this is for sure good advice, but please make your comments shorter for purpose to be readable in normal space/time framework. Thanks in advance :))

    The ironic is you defeated yourself in this sense because that response was indeed short. I even quoted myself, but as always you seem to ignore what is in front of you. Whether my response are brief or extensive, you still adhere to that same reasoning, that being said, the fact you cannot tell who was right or wrong in this sense, pertaining to what was asked of you above, further proves my point.

    That being said, God's Order has not changed. Other than that, should I discuss what is being spoken of at hand, surely you would disagree because any person who shifts God's Order would most likely not understand what is to be conveyed in regards to such.

    Just know that every time I am brief, the brief response cuts far greater than a sword, and you already seen and experience such an example. I will gladly be as such with you should debate and or discussion calls for it, mainly when you speak ill of anyone of God's followers in the bible, just know what is to come.

  5. 31 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Yes you are serious, no doubt.

    Always.

    31 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    But if another participant clearly say to you how She is SHE not HE, why you put that in question?

    Well you do realize I just recently found out this revelation that she was female and not male. No indication was presented in all discussion even the earliest ones.

    My own words is the following, so perhaps read the full response than take a snippet of it.

    1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

    Then what of you literally, hence why I refer to you as such, for if you are indeed female, I will make reference to you as such, but if male, vice versa. But now you show yourself this I can see as of recent for I mistook you for male since our early discussion and during that time there was no indication on your part whatsoever.

    So clearly now I know after she said something, clearly if someone has the name of hers I was not able to tell, for example if like Anna, it is understandable because it is evident.

    31 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    You are not showing respect to Witness as female.

    How am I not showing respect if I just found out Witness was female when all this time I thought she was male? Granted I assume she was male this whole time since the other discussions, granted the first discussion was indeed a debate.

    And no, as I told Witness in the past, disrupting and or insulting someone of the opposite sex is not something that aligns with my culture, whatsoever. the very reasons I told her before to her claim of my view on women based on the implication she made on a typo, for W to w does not automatically define one as misogynistic.

    that being said, it is odd of such coming from you granted what you said of what God thinks of people in regards to a small remark you made on your part, granted, I corrected you that God considers what you professed to as detestable.

    31 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Why you are stubborn in calling Her as he?

    Perhaps because I recently found out. How is that stubbornness? Moreover, you even cut half of my comment to justify your claims.

    That being said, never insulted her either if you making such implication. Someone who encourages one to make the research does not yield upon insult in the end, this also goes for correcting and or rooting our the wrongs.

  6. @Melinda Mills Not to mention the fact a brother will turn against a brother, and so forth, people turning against their own if need be. Everything that causes man to feel pain and sorrow will be cranked up to 20 and will be far harder than what we see now.

    The true ones suffer, they endure, they are vigilant, for a strong faith will shine in the face of even wicked man because that is something they cannot take from you no matter hat they do to you.

  7. 7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Own unmasking? :))))))) 

    Well if had seen you before and or mention had mention anything regarding pets and or dogs, then that is the evidence there, and the fact he makes reference to you as such, is evidence that this is not the first time he had confronted you or spoke to you - forumwise.

    So for example, if I stated somewhere I love Samsung devices, a even have shirts and a list of other things, a Samsung FanBoy if you will, then I go to multiple forums by the same name, surely someone would find out of who I am and the love for Samsungs I harbor..... I love such things, for such are merely tools.

    But this may be the same case with you should anyone seek you out and or if you had spoken to anyone else, granted in our last discussion about trust funds and who is a beneficiary, the information you pulled most likely pins you to another social media based place besides this forum.

    7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Dogs are best friends,

    they are not like some

    This I agree with. Not only they are best friends, but they protect you and your loved ones, and are part of the family.

    7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    people who calls you Frida,

    Well you revealed that have a dog named Frida, if that is the case. If Evo is calling you that then you may have mentioned dogs to him elsewhere.

    7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    (or calls you with some other attributes, like SM for example :))))))

    I am only known as Space Merchant here, if anyone is families with me, the way I speak, debate, discuss what have you, and the liking of Ye Ol' English, they will recognize me as J.C.D. Now if I was referring to myself as Space Merchant/S.M. elsewhere and all over the place, people would be calling me by that instead of J.C.D. if anything, if you look like someone be it you are visible on a forum or social media and or in real life, people will refer to you as such, example Xavier Woods/Austin Creed, although I look nothing like the guy.

    7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    when you are not Frida but Srecko :))))))))))

    Usually if paired up with or linked with someone, people will remember and or recall you by referring the other person and or thing associate with you. Example, I am Space Merchant, but JTR would refer to be as a Storm Trooper, but it is still directed towards me.

    7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Elementary respect in communication with other people, here or elsewhere. But as you said correctly, unmasking.

    Well if you can be searched somewhere and be mentioned of here by someone who recognizes and or knows you, it is technically an unmasking, thus if you post elsewhere, and be recognized here, it is of your own design. Granted the very word does mean expose the true character of or hidden truth about.

    That being said, if there is one thing you most likely know about me, S.M. as some like to refer to me now, I am not a fan of conspiracy and or false information, nor do I stick to one side, I tend to seek all information to find conclusion and or balance, practically in a truther-sque fashion.

  8. 17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    I think i will continue to like every comment you dislike just for the fun of it all.

    Ok. So should it concern me now or when you want to reference elsewhere? Be it direct or indirect because it matters not to me, I will simply make mention of it, as I have recently.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    You seem to love linking me with others, so be it.

    So far in this thread I only responded to Kosonen about Witness, hence his statement. in the other thread, you were seen in agreement with them, hence why I mentioned you. As I had seen this as an example hence what I discussed with you before on a specific Bible verse, which to your reaction when corrected, you did not like the answer, which was taken from the very source you used.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    . I will join in your game and it will become fun for me.

    Games are for children, and clearly I am not one. The same can be said to you.

    That being said no one has time for games.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    As for you implying something like 'Butler said that the GB of JW org are demonised'  Well maybe they are .

    I never said you said that so do not twist and or lie here because I can quickly bring up the response. I asked you that question because you were in agreement with Witness and, you even  made an indirect response towards me, so I asked you the very question from the very response of Witness of which you were seem to agree with, moreover, I even added, who brought up that remark, even by name.

    You should know better as to what I have said and certianly I never phrased such the way you had written it as seen here "Butler said that the GB of JW org are demonised"?

    The actions of a few souls do not define all persons, if an American man commits a crime, it does not define other Americans yet you have people who run that mentality pin the blame on ALL Americans when that is not the case. I stated that because of the actions of a few people it does not define a whole group, I even attest to an example, one man, even if it is a JW or not, his or her actions should he or she do anything criminal, that one does not define the others, he does not define any else of the faith on the other side of the globe, this is also in the realm of race and education but you were quick to say I feel inferior when such an mentality of people is a reality, moreover, at one time you even stated in one of our discussion from your experience in a JW church, you assume all elders are the same, the elders in your church is not like a elder and or pastor in the US, in Asia, all persons are different, all walks of life differ from each other, the actions of a single soul does not define the masses, not to mention calling of judgment when you yourself stated you do not know the person, and yet you judged a teenager who does forgive people.

    That being said, you merely defeated yourself because what I had said should be understood as to what I am conveying. You yourself stated you do not judge but you do regardless, yet when you assume someone is judging you you bring forth claim someone is judging, yet it didn't stop you from doing the same to someone who is 3 times younger than you regarding who actually forgives people who do bad things and who does not.

    Therefore, granted your claim you'd be wise to know exactly what I said and what I convey otherwise I can, if need be, John 8:44 can be used against you, in this sense. I'd add anther verse, but it will clearly not be in your favor.

    Like in Jesus' day, because of how Jews were to their neighbors, some of their neighbors are good people, for if someone did something to someone or the like it does not define all of them. Reasons why we have examples in the bible that teaches such, like the example regarding the Samaritans, surely this should not be avoided by you because it this there regardless of what translation you use, be it a Bible with authentic and or non-authentic text. 

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Jesus said as recorded at John 8 v 44 

     You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began,c and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.

    So you have a chance to redeem yourself here, attest to the claims of which you made elsewhere because right now they remain unfounded.

    For what you are professing is as fake as the claim you made that I support Islam when I only explained the faith of Muslims, to add, you even agreed with my statements when I cleared out some misconceptions of that faith group. The irony.

    For if you cannot prove that or your claim of me supporting Islam - This verse can be used against you.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees but they had been God's chosen people, part of God's chosen nation.

    And your point? Also you do realize some of the Jews at that time were of bad influence, like the ones that were seeking to kill Jesus, right?

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    So, think on it, why cannot the GB of JW Org be from 'their father the Devil' ?

    Probably because they, like many Christians who are not of the mainstream are seeking the truth and striving to be like the early church, granted that they, as do some, retain their Restorationist roots unlike their counterparts.

    That being said, what would I would be fascinated by since you said that is your claim of knowing who is approved of God and who is not. For how, Mr. Butler, you know and or even think for God, in this sense?

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    And if that is correct they would be demonised, or would that be Devilised.  

    And yet because of your experience you assume all of them are the same. Reasons why I said to you the actions of a few does not define the masses, such is of an absurd mentality practices by the people of today's society, example would be the sheer disdain for all British folk because of reasons, it does not define all British people, it does not define you either because you are in no way shape or form connect to the sins and or ill actions of the culprit. Then again you will be evasive and attest to me or someone else as being and or thinking of oneself being inferior because such one is able to see the world for what it truly is, such one is aware of who is currently ruling this world, as the bible makes it clear.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Remember that many Jews / Israelites remained in their Jewish faith, but they were wrong not to change.

    Your point is exactly? Which begs the question, do you even know the difference between Natural Israel and Spiritual Israel? Granted, you do realize later on in the church the Jews and the Gentiles were also in union with the Christ.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    So just because the JW Org has 8 million followers, does not make it right. 

    Well they did say they were prophets inspired and or infallible, however, they, like many of us are modern day prophets, Christians, who are spirit led.

    That being said, perhaps the difference to a Christian such as yourself and an ancient Christian, an ancient one is not willing to toss up a law and or commandment for the sake of tradition.

    Other than that, they are at 8.45-8.5 million adherents according to Christian statistics and demographics.

    17 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    If the amount of people in a religion made it right then the Catholic church or Islam would be more right than the JW Org :) 

    So now you are confusing Christendom with those of creeds and or other - this is a new one. The only thing that is right is the apostolic church and her teachings, and you will be quite surprised of how few are striving to be like that church, which tells you something.

    But regardless of anyone from any of those Abrahamic Faiths, it does not disqualify such ones, like you, to be unaware of the Hebrew and or Greek Text and it's context and language forms - as is there is quite the example you posed before.

    Therefore, I encourage you to read and study, it will help you greatly, but every time I say this, you do not apply it. Which proves my point time and time again and what I had professed to Witness just now about examples like Wood and Smith.

    That being said, I recall asking you a elementary biblical question, for if you could not answer that correctly when people out and about in the world can and will ask you the same thing, that is a sign whereas more reading must be done, and mind you, that was but one of many things people are often asked when the evangelizing ministry work.

  9. 6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Dear Mr. SM

    You may not agree with the opinions, attitudes, beliefs of other people. That's your right. As it is right for anyone else here.

    I go by what the Bible says, I go by what Christian History says, and if a man professes God sent Satan to do away with the firstborns of the Egyptians, of course I will speak up. If you read the Bible, you'd understand what it means to understand what is the truth and to even defend it, and if someone says such a thing that is not in accordance with such, something can and will be said, as is with the misconceptions of others.

    6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    But I have noticed that you love/enjoy, when you humiliate other people because they have different thinking than/from your's. You (often) assign them with various depreciatory attributes. Some of us are your targets on daily basis :)))), and your behavior in this manner is not something that can be called  as - The Christian way.  

    Can you show me an example of where I take delight and enjoyment in such, if I may ask? Because in most of my response I even tell people to repent, do the research, learn the history and so forth. You consider educating oneself as an insult?

    I do not target such ones, like I said before, if someone makes a response to me even make mention of me, a response will follow by me. If someone speaks something that is not of the Bible, a response from me will be expected. If someone speaks of falsehood and conspiracy, expect a response from me. Did you think I was not serious in my own words, Srecko?

    I defend Abraham from your response before, I am not the time to remain silent on to a man who speaks ill of Abraham, the man who is a friend of God.

    6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    What I have noticed is this, I do not remember that Witness ever sent you any offensive word !!!

    He never said anything offensive, I recall all discussions on his end. Despite my stance with him I do encourage him to read and research, even tell him misinformation can cause such ones like Witness to stumble and or be misguided, which seems to be the case.

    6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Well, i can see difference between her's Christianity and your's Christianity. :)))

    Ok, then you tell me who is right in the matter?

    • I profess that God's Order has never changed, hence why how the Church is structure, both men and women have roles in the church, but the roles have not changed.
    • In my last discussion with Witness, the view profess was that anyone can have any role within the church, regardless of the person's sex and makes a justification by throwing in the spiritual house which does not counter to the fact of Paul's on words on the matter.

    You tell me who is correct and who is incorrect in accordance with Apostle Paul?

    Clearly one who is telling the truth, the other is misguided.

  10. 15 hours ago, Witness said:

    It’s time to tell you, SM, I am not a “he”, but a “she”.  It shouldn’t matter though, since anointed are neither “male or female”; but for you, I am sure all “hell” will break lose and you will write me a book about it.  Gal 3:28

    Then what of you literally, hence why I refer to you as such, for if you are indeed female, I will make reference to you as such, but if male, vice versa. But now you show yourself this I can see as of recent for I mistook you for male since our early discussion and during that time there was no indication on your part whatsoever.

    Now, this verse I had already explained, and this first is of those of the spiritual house which is correct, but it does not disqualify what orderly worship is, hence why I stated previously, emotions and options cannot counter fact that of what the Church professed (we can only learn and understand and apply but the core things of the church we never do away with - ever), the very reason I asked you to give me an actual name of such a person in religious office before you did give the information and you attempted to use a judge in place of a religious leader, thus as the history of Christian entails, as with the church Jesus built - what you were pushing in our last discussion was not only nowhere to be found in the Bible, but it has no mention or practice in the history of the church, granted from the 1st to 4th century and onward we see what Paul means in regards to Orderly Worship.

    That being said, I can gladly show Kosonen the discussion, if need be. For if what you were professing was indeed truth, then it would be evident in our history, which in this case, is unfounded, thus all those Biblical Facts I mentioned is indeed true. I make this same case with such ones who make claim women cannot do anything and or give aid by means of the roles they have in the church, even speak, hence why they find any discussion in this regard as difficult when on Apostle Paul's part, it is very simple.

     

    15 hours ago, Witness said:

    It is amazing that two worthless anointed women from the WT, are able to discern the man of lawlessness standing in the Temple of God, isn’t it, and continually expose the Man of Lawlessness for what it has done to God’s priesthood.  Rev 11:1-3   What was God thinking anyway!  Maybe He was thinking that men in their haughtiness who rule the organization, would see just what God meant when Mary proclaimed, “He has put down the mighty from their thrones and exalted the lowly”.  Luke 1:52…..

    Or when Jesus said, “For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”….Matt 23:12…

    Ps 138:6 – “Though the Lord is on high,
    Yet He regards the lowly;
    But the proud He knows from afar.”

     

    And yet to teach something that is totally against the church yet when prove is asked of you, nothing was said and cannot be brought up in terms of Christianity's History and or what is found of the Bible, hence you trying to mix in those of the Spiritual House with how the Church is Structured.

    One of the reasons why Christians who know who so and so are, as with others, do not agree with them in the slightest if it is something accursed and or a teaching that never originated in the Church Jesus built.

    Very reasons why Matthew 15:6 can be used in this sense, as with Matthew 7:23 in terms of those who defy God's Law and what Jesus had commanded. This also goes for those who water down Christ's whole as a King and Mighty Warrior, as per last discussion.

    No one thinks for God, hence why people such as myself will defend God's Purpose, God's Will, God's Order, God's Love, according to Scripture, if need be.

    15 hours ago, Witness said:

    “Orderly worship” concerns the anointed Body of Christ, where again, it doesn’t matter who is female or male. They are all “living stones”.  Eph 2:20-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9  I also know many male anointed ones who seem just fine with what I do, or with what Pearl does.  They are my brothers in Christ.

    Indeed, this I proclaimed to you before. But it does not negate Apostle Paul's own words, nor does it negate the Structure of which Paul professes. Reasons why he spoke of Creation, of man and or woman and the evident roles in the Church.

    If they are just fine, can you inform us here a female church leader of religious office between the 1st to 4th century of the church's history? If Pearl things otherwise, how does is this seen as a truth to you when it was never in practice? The very core of what our last discussion was about - such of which has been refuted with undeniable fact.

    15 hours ago, Witness said:

    The message in Revelation is to the anointed priests of God and those with them. 

    Ok, but what does that have to do with God's Order in terms of the evidence we see in regards to Apostle Paul? Yes both men and women are of the Spiritual House, they can be chosen by God hence being of the Priesthood - but we see nothing in the Bible or the history of the church whereas the roles in which Paul professes is shared between the sexes let alone shifted - as of what I made a response to you before, for unlike you and to Pearl - Paul, a man who has the holy spirit upon him does not make mistaken opinions, be speaks what is true to what we see in the Scriptures.

    Plus this also put you in a position of mixing information even verses to justify something that has nothing to do with a passage and or the church, like the time you had turned a justify a Strong's word in a verse that was metaphorical and not literal.

    As I have said to you before. Teach yourself before you teach others, otherwise people will come to correct, even be critical with you, as with those who can see and discern false information from true information.

    That being said, Biblical Facts are solid, and God isn't the author of confusion, so the church and her teachings have not changed to carter to the emotions and opinions of those who wish to change the church into something entirely different.

    That being said, made a response to Kosonen, not you, after all, the lot of you had the luxury of making a referring to me, and yet when the tables are turned, there is quite the gnashing of the teeth.

    15 hours ago, Witness said:

    You are full of misconceptions concerning the anointed and the Watchtower.  I am very sorry about this.  Also, the two men that you mention are not JWs, nor does it seem they ever were.  They are not anointed “priests” of God.  

    Am I? Can you show the evidence to that when I had spoken boldly of the chosen ones of the Priesthood?

    Who said they were JWs? Never once I had made the claim that they are, nor have I stated Mr. White to be a JW. They, as in all of them, are of mainstream Christendom, like you, they too believe God's Order of how the Church is has no say in the actual practice of the church vs. what is accursed.

    Both Wood and Smith are, like you, focuses their time and energy to use conspiracy and misconceptions to deal blows to the other.

    The difference between them and you is the fact they refuse the truth itself and will do everything in their power to take you down because of it, even going as far as to send their "people" after you. You on the other hand, I merely see as misguided, and needing to stand up to understand the Scriptures, and perhaps the Strong's also because like them, you mixed that up as well.

    For even if I gave you the information from either blue letter or biblehub, you somehow miss it or refuse it when the Strong's speak louder than claims in the matter.

    That being said, elsewhere, like Pearl, Mr. Wood, Mr. Smith, Mr. White, and a whole list of others are being talked about, as is with those of Babylon's religion that is of the Kairos Movement, but of course you have no idea of what took place in the span of years in this regard, hence why even before I told you to be careful of such ones, unless you consider one warning of such to be an insult, best take that advice because many have fallen to such, as last month was an example.

  11. Then you are going to have to overrule the Expelling and Shunning Command if you take issue with it. The problem is, Jesus was the one who entrusted the Church with such an ability.

    Take it up with him and become an Anti-Pauline in the process.

     

    There is 3 forms of the Expelling/Shunning Command, only one of the 3 is the correct one:

    http://shamelesspopery.com/biblical-excommunication/

  12. 4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Yes i am sure as it is surely/doubtless that, for example,  blue color has many variations (color shades) of that same color. So, my like, my laugh, my upvote, my sadness  and other expressions of my emotions and state of mind are not fixed, concreted in only 7 possibilities, putted as options by owner of this forum, for public display of mood that some can show in life.

    You do realize what this form template is - right? All in all, the things highlighted was pulled from a dictionary (hence the definition) in regards to online forums and posting, therefore, that information outweighs what you are conveying.

    If you are curious, this is what this form is supposedly using: https://invisioncommunity.com/

    that being said, you know the practices of internet forums where anything goes. This is just elementary information, Srecko.

    4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    :)))))) only Frida i know  is a dog. 

    Well if you have mentioned it somewhere before in some shape or form, probably that is the reason. Hence if you are using other social media spaces including this one, someone of that same space must have recognized you and or confronted you before. An there is a saying, once it is on the Internet, people know.

    That being said, that deduces the connection - your hands is on every form of media besides this one, so you merely engineered your own unmasking.

    Other than that, I have dogs too, 2 of them, a small Peekapoo, and a Husky.

    The family love the dogs, just as I love them also.

  13. @James Thomas Rook Jr. This thing is going to the be like a thorn to the said to many. Only Christians who are for the E.I.I an the Kairos Movement are supporting an funding this, even going as far as to take money from other Christians who do not want to have any part in this. This all points back to the agenda, to push people into a society that is kept on a tight leash.

    Christians and Truthers alike speak on this matter and it all leads to the Globalist Mafia who has their hands on everything, the schools that side with them, the churches that accepts them just like October 2017's Reformation, the Kairos Movement and a list of others.

    If anyone is going to be forced, they'll start with the children. After all, they already are grooming our children in brazen and sexual conduct that spreads like a virus in this culture,mainly the US.

     

  14. On 11/11/2018 at 11:57 AM, Kosonen said:

    Witness, 

    I am a former Jehovah's witness and anointed. And I understand the prophecies not at all as Pearl Doxey. In my opinion are her explanations even worse than the Watchtower's. 

    He gets his information from Pearl Doxsey, a person of whom has been mention several times in some Christian discussions and debate elsewhere. This is the same person who puts forth of what is accursed that is a direct opposite regarding God's Order, and what Orderly Worship entails.

    This is the same one has led ones to have no idea who the Assyrians were who tried to confront Hezekiah and the same info pulled from her which led so and so to believe God sent Satan to attack the Egyptians, which is ridiculous and unfounded in the Old Testament, as well as adhere to a doctrine that does not originate with the church.

    It is one thing to not agree with someone, that is for certain, but to proclaim teachings and doctrines that has nothing to do with the church Jesus built is another story and such ones need to be corrected in this sense.

    Pearl Doxsey is on the same stage as such ones like Jay Smith and David Wood to name a few.

  15. @Kosonen First, know this - RT is funded in whole or in part by the Russian Government. This is the same RT News that prompted Jasyish Al-Islam and the White Hats as Heroes in the political theater. And everyone knows immediately as to how Russian MSM is controlled by the Kremlin and they thrive off of what the State Duma has done, with proof to back it up by even that of independent sources, and Russia has already aligned itself with China, Syria, Iran and several others.

    This information about such ones being micro-chipped isn't unknown to anyone and I know JWs know this already because the RFID chips have been ongoing since 2009 (can even be traced further back granted on how such technology is developed), it has became widely known around 2016-2017 and was brought about employees of companies who do not which to take up bio-metric cards and or authentication IDs, but instead, these RFID chips. Moreover, years ago, in 2009, British Scientist Dr Mark Gasson got an RFID implanted into his left hand, so the idea and concept has always been a thing at the time and granted that some find this revolutionary, it is easily spread to the public so that they would know.

    2 hours ago, Kosonen said:

    What is your plan to escape to worship the beast and to escape to be microchipped?

    It is not about worshiping the beast or not. It is about allowing oneself to join and or refuse what, as some would say, the NWO is doing. As it is already, they are pushing people out of their homes into smart homes, as if the recent fires in California has taught us anything. What is being done with foods, what is being done with our children education-wise, what is being done to our society and so forth. If you read 1984 George Orwell, you'd realize we are entering an Orwellian time of atmosphere, monitored and watched, even controlled, on the other side of the spectrum, the government seeks to take weapons from people so they remain defenseless, as if the situation with Syranic Christians has taught us anything.

    It will come to a point where being RFID'd can be forced, even among children, to where they can trick parents and or guardians that it is safe for their kids and can help track them should anything happens to them an so forth.

    2 hours ago, Kosonen said:

    Have you thought about that?

    Granted with how much I know in regards to the Global Mafia, the NWO, Lucis Trust, 2021/2030, etc. Stuff like this has always been on my mind and given thought. As for all those who are like me who knows this stuff, they can speak of the same way. Reasons why there is some technology that cannot be trusted, and of course you know of the recent one that is taking up the world by storm, which, in of itself is a component to RFID chips, but the difference is, one monitors you and your speech.

    2 hours ago, Kosonen said:

    This test of faith does not seem to be far away. 

    And yet the masses have already given themselves up as they have done in regards to those who seek conquest for peace. This is why I had stated before of how easily people will throw themselves into the hands of the Wilde Beast, and align themselves with Babylon the Great. Anyone who is against them, will be targets, persecuted, even succumb to actions taken by them so that they are banished and or banned from an area or place of dwelling, perhaps even arrested and or killed.

    As they say it, if we are not for them, we are against them.

    2 hours ago, Kosonen said:

    Maximum a couple of years according to my estimation.

    It has already started long time ago. This is why such ones like yourself needs to be aware. This is in conjunction with bans, censoring, monitoring visual/speech, educating or mind washing of the children and or the society, disarming, even murder those not for them (Serena Shim, Klaus Ebrewien, Las Vegas Shooting survivors, etc) and the list goes on. Therefore, flags should be the least of your concern.

    That being said, if you are not vigilant, you too can easily be swept away without knowing it yourself, as I had proclaimed about for years and even to others, with some of them who pass this off as a bluff and or attest that they will not turn - such ones had already turned without them knowing and they themselves become an enemy to you and or anyone associated with you.

    There is even more things in this regard, but I am keeping it PG here on this forum, some things that can be said or on display such ones like yourself may not be able to handle.

    Also it should be known to what the mark of the beast actually is. This RFID chip is only put a branch to the tree itself.

  16. 6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    In general perspective it can be said so, BUT please have in mind that this (your's) must not be 100% correct conclusion, judgement. I will mention here what i have in mind when i put "like" on some people comment. I put "like" on general comment as such. That does not mean how i must be in agree with every word, dot or some aspects inside comment. 

    You sure about that? Granted when it is evident of what someone likes in agreement to something and or dislikes something, favors something and or continues such as an absolute, not to mention evident and yet subtle response to said response. Example how you stated, even mocked that of could abuse and neglected services itself whereas you made claim as if it was pulled from books from JWs, when that information was pulled directly from a site that carters to educating people about abuse.

    As for the Bible, I merely took up verses of Wisdom and Knowledge to be in application to people, in turn even children - granted that in Jesus' childhood days, knowledge and wisdom was very important, likewise, it should be important for us also.

    That being said, he is correct and I made this remark also, thus it being correct. You cannot shift something that has already existed and even having it's own definition, and in that definition it even states (in an online context) to register an approval of or agreement with (a post or poster) by means of a particular icon - that solidifies the claim of agreeing with someone or not, with or without a response. The same goes with an expression of gratitude as with liking what is said. As for us CSE folk, the difference is over there compared to here is that you gain a reputation the more someone agrees with you, the more reputation you gain.

    In this sense, you agree with anything that is spoken of, and this isn't the first time. Remember, Biblical Facts? I do.The number of times you agree with what is not true is rather telling, as with other discussions, moreover, you even agreed to the claim I am somehow misogynistic against women just for a typo error, I asked for proof that day too, yet no one deliver, thus people love to make claims they cannot cash.

    7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Who is Frida !!?? 

    The young one claims that he knows you and or has ran into you before (granted it seems you are everywhere and not just this forum i.e. of how I found out about Glasgow your comments were elsewhere too), hence referring to you as Frida. Perhaps someone or something associated with you in your life.

  17. 24 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    Here, if you are losing a debate, it is common to label the one winning the debate, an Apostate.

    Yes, but in this case, especially in what is taking place in Speaker's Corner, you have those who attest to a false doctrine trying to take up and cover more ground to teach something that is not of the church. Examples would be that God has wives one of his wives being Mary, and they'll preach it. God is 3 persons, they'll preach it. You debate with them, and correct them, and they will attack you, even insult you when you profess the truth.

    Speaking about apostates, one of them professed he can heal people with the touch of his hand on to you, Benny Hinn style. Such ones need to be put in their place and be corrected on what the Bible says.

    That being said, this place I still see it as Controversial Posts (being ready to be pit to the test), and as did before in a discussion of religious history, it shall be done here also. Most importantly a truth will be spoken and it will be told.

    In this sense however, people are claiming to have apples and such ones believe said people, but when I ask for apples, it turns out, they didn't have any apples at all, to my surprise, I lecture them on as to why they made such an error in claiming to have these apples that are, in their case, non-existent.

  18. 4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

    @JW Insider This is kinda out of the blue but one thing I had noticed is those who use the cross in worship for wrong reasons, people putting more importance on what some say murder device. I know some people wouldn't dare use the cross at all also. Now when the cross is up side down then you are in mumbo jumbo town and it is ridiculously dark in what that signifies.

    Irreligion. The inverted Cross. To be brief, it means a lot of things in which may be a bit too much to explain. The only example I can give is the Satanist in Detroit a while back who were representing the inverted cross - in black mind you.

    One of my sources, Solider of God made mention of this a while back and I believe I had posted it sometime ago. After all, The Temple's Baphomet statue was unveiled there in Detroit some years ago.

    But yes, you'd be surprise of how dark things can go.

  19. @James Thomas Rook Jr. I don't think they would kill you on the spot. Death without punishment and such will not make the weekend or for the Romans or top the icing on the cake for them. They need to torture someone first before they send them off to be buried in Sheol. If they had to take some out instantly it most likely would be during a raid or confrontation in war. I mean, they will let people go at each other, fight each other event before they even make a move, for they were that tough in the days they had power.

  20. 4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

    @JOHN BUTLER He is linking you with them because your reaction to their comments means you agree with them, not to mention you are mentioning him when you agree with those who made the claim so seeing that the both of you are in a debate, that's a strike on you because if one goes back some pages they can see you agreed with the other guy witness or Frida. 

    I don't know about the Islam thing but he even linked the thread where he explained the belief of Muslims to you, the Islam faith and he stamped out the misconceptions. Nothing there shows he is supporting Islam, but rather, explaining it, even going as far as to say we must preach to them about the Bible. You yourself even agreed with him which is odd because recently you said he is supporting Islam when what you said turned out to be false. 

    Buddy, I like debates as much as the next guy but if you say something you have to back it up with proof. If I were you I'd do some edits because it may save you some time and the embarrassment. Not every day a a young guy gives advise to an adult but this one fits the bill. 

    Nowhere have I shown total support for Islam, therefore John Butler's claim is as empty as a cookie jar in a Kinder Care facility, it is always empty and forever will be empty because he made the conclusion on empty facts of which he cannot even prove when he himself stated it.

    It was regarding a thread of which I explained Islam to him and the belief of Muslims, I understand Muslims because I have tried to teach them the bible before. Plus young ones I speak to some of them are Muslims, and I do not go around bashing them or speaking of conspiracy, I come to common ground with them to speak of what God will soon do, just as a Jew to a Samaritan, a Christian to a Muslim.

    We should be preaching the gospel, for this is what the bible says, to all people, to all nations, but somehow Mr. Butler cannot see that.

    That being said, the man things explaining something and exposing falsehood and bringing forth truth is supporting. Therefore that statement alone on his part is very, very weak.

    And yes, he has shown himself to agree with the others hence his own word and his own reactions to them. But hey, I am not someone who is a fan of a guy who believes God's Order should be changed, believes God sent Satan to do his bidding, believes in humans not being humans but of something else which is in opposition of the church, as well as the other guy who thinks of God's Friend as a selfish lair, and adheres to the being acceptive of something that God is clearly against, as seen in the Bible regarding Lot and what he had endured.

    3 hours ago, Equivocation said:

    Who is Katgar?

    It is Kathgar. He is an British-Pankistani Jehovah's Witness who tends to refute people in connection with debates and other things regarding Speaker's Corner, of course he does it online, but is very reserved to himself and those of his circle. Ironically enough, he does not take kindly to people who uses the bible to profess Trinitarianism and Gnosticism, granted that he, as do others, are in constant debate with the opposing groups who profess a doctrine that is not of the Bible or of the Church.

    I debated against Kathgar only once (plus at the time I was unprepared of what went down that day and I had made mistakes in confusing things that I lacked in during that time), an the reason for it was due to a Agnostic, who was clearly struggling who tried to divert the debate on to someone else, only at the end, he came back to bite him. The irony is, this only open a door to learn about the more complex things in Christianity and the Bible so I can better understand things, such as questions that are posed that seem difficult and or complex, but in truth, are ridiculously easy to answer, some questions that I can answer another Christian may not even try to answer, especially Trintiarians, for such ones would be quick to denounce a prophet or someone of the Bible int his regard without understand that the answer is in plain site.

    I can tell you this, you have to be very very spiritual strong to debate and or discuss matters because there will be a chance for some people who had to defend the truth of the Scriptures. and know that truth always prevail. opposers will speak of you as one who runs or flees, they will skip to insult and mock you for speaking what is true, but know this, the one who speaks truth is the real winner and the one who mocks and insults are the losers.

     

    If the other person ends up attacking you, you are actually winning the debate.

    When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

  21. 4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    But Jesus said to him: “Do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you.

    Luke 9 v 50.

    Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

    Luke 11 v23

    Good, so when there is a conclusion we know who is in the correct.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Regarding Islam. Are you just explaining about them or do you agree with them ?

    I merely explained them hence the the thread I linked. If I agreed with them why in the world would I attest to the idea of preaching to them by means of going on their level due to a common interest in God. Like us, they are seeking, so it does not stop a Christian to preach the gospel to Muslims who may or may not understand the Bible and teach them the Bible, let alone putting out some misconceptions they have of Christians due to Trinitarianism. The hypocrisy on your part, Mr. Butler, is the fact you agreed with me on this notion when I explained their views to you without resorting to accepting conspiracy and falsehood as you have, and I was brief about it also - as seen in this thread, of which I will link again, of which you are ignoring in my previous response:

    And I made it clear, I do not adhere to false information and or conspiracy.

    So according to your claim Mr. Butler

    On 11/15/2018 at 11:19 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

    You seem to be 'playing it safe' by being a Unitarian and also supporting the JW's. You also seem to support other religions, even Islam. 

    Do you or do you not have any substantial proof I am supporting Islam when I simply explained their belief to you? Perhaps if I explained what convict is, in your eyes you see that an explanation of something or someone is seen as supporting.

    That being said, I ask you something very simple of which you seem to be evading - Show me as to where I am supporting Islam (in fact show everyone since you made claim to this). If you cannot, you have just exposed yourself to be a lair in this sense and that this claim remains absurdly unfounded in the greatest sense.

    anyone who studies religion does will speak what is true and what is false about someone's faith, they will also take up knowledge so they themselves can see what is actually accursed. The statement I made to you about the evident ignorance on your part in regards to Theological studies stand as true as the blue seas of the earth.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Because Jesus made is quite clear in the above scriptures that there is no middle ground.

    Indeed there is no middle ground. There is no middle ground in what is True and what is False.

    So according to your own statement, do you have the truth in regards to information that I am supporting Islam? So far I have only explained it, even to some degree on here I made mention of Sunnis and Shias and nothing in this regard shows I am supporting Islam, merely explaining something and or making a point in something.

    So, to everyone here, to me - Do you have proof to your claim? After all, we are attesting to the truth - yes?

    I, and I am sure others too, also want to know how on earth you can discern who has God's approval and who does not? I find this fascinating because you are clearly an imperfect man who cannot think for God when the bible says the opposite, let alone you are not above and or equal to God, for if it is of anyone concern, we are like spectacles of dust compared to the the Most High, El Shaddai, Yahweh.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    The next claim is that JWs have a demonic influence, as brought up by Witness. so why blame me ? 

    No one is blaming you. Pointing out the fact that you were agreed with Witness by the very word he professed, not only you shown your reaction to what he had to say despite not taking into account what he claims is false, you also spared no time but to even congratulate him on his response, when you yourself

    On 11/14/2018 at 7:04 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Fantastic comment. But SM won't like it ofcourse :( 

    And agreed with him, not once, but twice in this sense, therefore, if you agree with someone on something, it should not stop you from answering a question that resonates with what you are acceptive of.

    Moreover, of course I will not agree with Witness, especially with things he speak of in other discussions which makes his claim of false prophets a self-refutation upon himself.

    Regardless of what you think of JWs, they never in their existence made claim to being an inspired prophet, even tracing back to their days as Bible Students, furthermore, as I told Srecko, no Non-Trinitarian nor any true Restorationist will ever make the claim of being an inspired prophet. If anything they do see themselves as spirit led prophets who rare not inspired and not infallible.

    That being said, no one is blaming you - simply pointing out what can be seen, unless you make a move as Srecko did to undo things and act as if it did not exist, such will not go well with you because that information is already insight and the last person to do that knew he engineered his own demise in a past discussion here and another elsewhere.

    To add more fuel to the fire, the information that such ones like you are acceptive of comes from the source of which Witness pulled his information regarding JWs and inspired prophets, of which his own source is in deception when no such claim has ever been made, let alone to Non-Trinitarianism Christendom as a whole - the claim is unheard of and anyone who profess the claim as a viable truth and or accepts such is only kidding themselves and does not do the research on their part in this regard.

    Perhaps next time read and make the research before you agree with something, and maybe you will realize as to why I am not for false information and conspiracy, especially coming from a person who proclaims such who believes God sent Satan to do his bidding, for he as yet to make answer to his own words thus far, clearly you shouldn't be acceptive of someone who believes this which is also a lie for God would never do such thing in Moses day.

    Also I admire the mild jab, as seen here

    On 11/6/2018 at 2:22 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

    The thing is Srecko, SM doesn't believe the JW's have it right, or he would be one. :) 

    But a man of Christ will always speak the truth in the matter, and Mr. Cryptic who thinks a dead mortal man can somehow still live, made a fool of himself when he does not even know elementary basics of Christian History.

    That being said, all I need is the Bible, some Hermeneutics, Strong's, Technological facts and various studies to put such ones in their place, for it did not stop me before and it will not now, and granted of how I am, I take up some great examples from Prophet Isaiah of which me imitating what he did is seen as an error in your eyes. Which is, in as much, quite funny, if I may add.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Once again you link me to someone else. 

    Because you agreed with him and because you attest to me not liking something of which I just exposed to be false information.

    Be honest with yourself, if someone says such ones are of demonic influence, why in the world would you be speaking with them on this forum, why even commit to making a response to such persons of you agree with someone who speaks in such a way with the people of the faith community in question?

    Mind you, this man speaks on shifting God's Order which is a direct violation of not only the apostolic church, but of the Bible itself, accursed, if you will.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    So, by making a problem known you say i am causing a problem ? 

    Because you attest to what I speak of is an idea - it is not. It is fact that those who think of it in as such that such ones can be a cause to the problem, which history has proven in itself in recent years, especially with the whole Left vs. Right nonsense that is taking place.

    For example, we take racism. For someone to say that Racism does not exist, even in our day and age, they are part of the problem because to speak of it as such, it only bolsters others to do things they do not wish to do and even scatter people emotionally, break them. An in real life example is regarding those who says the Holocaust did not happen, this is in regards with a another faith group made such a claim, resulting in a young guy defending himself in this regard, but they kept on going with their lies and they broke the man causing him to cry. such persons who do this these things regardless of which domain this is in are the root of the issue, no solutions to anything to help and or other.

    That being said, the next time you say something is an idea, make sure it is not a literal mentality, it happens a lot in the US, even to you folks in the United Kingdom, that is, if you paid attention to whatever media you adhere to, for such is indeed a problem and people who pass it off as something silly or non-existence end up as part of the problem when they themselves can be the one to make a change in the matter.

    The mentality, that strives of people who attest to mobs will be put to an end when the End Times conclude and I will be very happy when such things are done away with. You should be too.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    If a house was on fire and i made it known, would you then say I caused the fire ? 

    A bad example in regards to what a response is made towards you in stating the mob mentality that exist nothing more than a mere idea. Perhaps next time understand as to why I made a response, Mr. Butler.

    Racism isn't an idea. Demonizing people isn't an idea. People suffer by means of such things, often end up as targets, those who know what mentality opposers press forth will say something, those who laugh or brush it off as something that does not exist, what of it then of those who are targets in this way? But of course, you will make claim [as you have done so already] that I see myself inferior (which you couldn't even proof when the truth has been spoken and the statistics, and facts, can be brought forth to make it up thus showing the error on your part) because of the imperfections of the world which I can see of which I had witnessed when you are living out in space being unaware of the situations at hand. Therefore, as I told the other commentor (The Pirate Bird) - people need to wake up and stop being asleep, this includes you.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    The JW Org is a danger to young children and i will continue to make that known. And I'm proud that I make it known too.

    Understandable, as do I. But is is absurd and silly to demonize all Jehovah's Witnesses as if they all commit the crime as soon as that lone individual had done it. I assume Anna, JW Insider and Outta Here are Jehovah's Witnesses, for if someone did the action of abuse, the sin they commit on their hands does not define Anna, it does not define, JW Insider, it does not define Outta Here.

    And no, it isn't the Jehovah's Witnesses only, pedophilia and those who seek to abuse and molest children are all over the place. a JW, be it novice or advanced in the faith will not know the intent of the person of whom they are preaching to, let alone one they have evangelized.

    this is the very reason I gave you an example, if you led a Church, how would you know? You remove one person will ill intent, the more converts you have, the more adherents, you would not know there intent, in this regard, child abusers.

    Furthermore, if children is of your concern, you should be adhering to what Child Abuse and Neglect Services are teaching people, adhere to and educate yourself in this sense so you are better equip to deal with such things, perhaps even teach others, young or old, you can even teach a JW (perhaps teach them instead of always attacking them) because everyone deserves to, no, every must be educated in what child abuse is and understand the signs. You agreed with ARC, do you not? Then you should agree with how they themselves even point to this simple fact of educating people about child abuse, and making better clarification of things.

    If there is anything a child molester likes the most, it is a child who is not educated in what child abuse is, let alone what sex is, granted by numerous cases of most children and young ones always being confused and not knowing what just happen. You can be the cause to stop the abuse, and it begins with education, adhere to it, proclaim it, teach others so they can teach themselves and to others, spread what Child Abuse Prevention teaches. If I can do such and understand that child abuse can happen anywhere, then you can do the same, but you refuse, Srecko on the other hand even mocks the information from Child Abuse and Neglect Services.

    Srecko made a claim I do not care about children when I speak to and take care of them, hear their stories and what they have to say and what I teach them, especially when it comes to sex and or child abuse, they have that wisdom so that they do not make ill decisions by their own hands, for if you didn't notice even a child can become the abuser. For clearly I made it known from the source itself to which the cryptic yes-man disagrees with, even being in denial of the one of whom he supports who shares the same view as me:

     

    On the other side of the spectrum, pedophilia is getting a masses following, it cannot be stop, which is the sad truth, but small instances can be prevented. For if you did not realize it, you have people who are trying to make pedophilia an okay thing, and they are doing this slowly, mainly in the US the people on the Far-Left, as they call it, is in support of this and it is seeping into the EU, including the UK, hence the gangs in question who carter to those with vile intent in regards to children.

    That being said, you can do better than that and if you think a small protest that takes up aggressive church disruption as a positive thing, you should be going with another crowd, for if random church members backed out and people of the county are speaking negatively about said protest, that alone should tell you something is wrong and something is not right.

    Again, better solutions, and adhere to the Bible on what it says in taking in knowledge and Wisdom, like the verses I gave Srecko on my older response in that link.

    That being said, I recall telling you of what young Christian teens said about your response regarding masturbation and pornography, if you want, I can screen you the information of what they had said, about you, and what message they have for you. Chances are, you will not like it, for these teens are doing their best to educate people and your comment of which you profess to him, they did not like it. That alone speaks volumes.

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    Remember, by their works you will know them. I am judging the GB by their works. 

    How can you say that when you made claim that you do not judge people or assume things? You do not even know who they are personally, you have never met them, if anything you recognize them through any various media about Jehovah's Witnesses and the like. Example would be one can make a judgement on a Homeless man because he takes up space on the street, his clothing is a mess and he can give a very bad order, but if someone truly knew them, spoke to get to to know them, they'd realize that the homeless man is a war veteran, who had a great family until calamity befell them, he can speak about a son and or a daughter of whom he loved but that child was perhaps killed and or had passed away, or even estranged - you wouldn't know unless you knew them.

    The works of the homeless man's hands is only committed to the trash and garbage cans around him but that is not the person who is he, for he did not choose to be in that state, bad things in life led him into that position and he seeks help but does not know how to express such, perhaps, even feeling afraid and or inferior to men and women in suits walking among him, even shaming him when they do not know him.

    You judge you say, but it contradicts what you had always made a stance on.

    On 11/4/2018 at 8:22 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

    It is not my place to judge you at all.

    On 11/4/2018 at 10:41 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

    I don't judge individuals that i don't really know, in the JW Org or outside, but I speak plainly about what i can see to be true or false. I only judge those i know as to whether i should associate with them or not.

    You even made claim only God can judge you or someone else. You may as well tell us why this time, regarding religious leaders, how did you take the judgement seat of which God sits on in this case? You did claim before no one owns God, what does that make you when you go back o your own words?

    you never associated yourself with those religious leaders so how would you know?

    You somehow judge every JW to be alike based on your experience in perhaps a small JW church in the UK, the pastors or elders there do not represent all of them around the globe, granted there is 8.5 million of them and growing, clearly not all of them are the same people, just the same faith, nothing more.

    That being said, it is understandable, according to your claim, if you really knew them - but you do not and most certainly I doubt you even confronted them, maybe outside of the UK and at their main church.

    Next time always be true to your words and do not go back on them.

    Like the bible says which this can relate to, let your yes mean yes, and your no mean no for this goes beyond of that of a wicked man (Matthew 5:37).

    4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    What would be the point of that scripture if it was not for us to judge them ?  Matthew 7 v 15 through 23.

    It would be foolish to even use the Scriptures on your part granted your other statements, even your own words. For if now you are saying this and using this passage, does that make your other comments and past responses as a lie? It would not be a surprise if I bring up a single verse in this regard, let alone, it would not be a surprise if I said exactly hat Lord Christ Jesus said to Peter hen he rebuked him.

    But if I had to agree with any of your statements, I agree with what you said about only God and or Jesus can judge, even you, as you speak of yourself in this sense, and like our older discussions you attested to that same claim. But here we see you make a U-turn here.

    5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    I think Jesus made it clear enough here. 

    Ok. So can you explain how you said you know of whom God approves and who does not? Because if the Father knows who is for him, how can you make approval for him if you are in no such position, let alone being accpetive to claims that cannot be proven, or claims made by you that you bear no evidence to, or claims made that is false but you show yourself to be agreeing of such.

    You are lucky I only see you as misguided and clearly driven by not just anger, but hatred. Therefore I withhold a single verse that can be used against you, just as I had withhold it from Witness.

    I leave you with this though, you do not have to agree with your former faith, but actually have some sense to discern what is true and what is false. If former JWs said the Watchtower  has own a portion of Nintendo products and Women's Lingerie, clearly that is absurd and can easily be refuted, but those who have a and even shares a strong disdain, clearly and evident, hatred for something or someone will easily pass such off as an actual truth and will go as far as to attack others and or bystanders who are in their way.

    That being said, Matthew 7:23 should not even be quoted by you. Because if everyone knows, any Christian who based their practices and or rules and or laws from the bible knows what this verse entails. You are not a fan of something Biblical - expelling. If you are against it, this verse can be applied to you as Jesus will not recognize any man or woman who shows a total disrespect and or clear ignorance of what he had entrusted the Church to do.

    If the Christ showed up right now and you had issue with his command and the Laws of his Father, let alone allegedly being an Anti-Pauline when Paul was a follower of the Christ himself? What do you think, would he say these words to you? Most likely, mainly when some Christians tend to water down what the Bible says because they deem it too strict, even going as far as to take up changes, Traditions of Men, and shifting Orderly Worship of God.

    One wouldn't dare do such things otherwise they will be standing in front of the white throne itself for judgement.

    5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    The GB, as you have said, are not inspired, and it would seem they are not even guided by Holy Spirit either. 

    Further proves my point on how you and the others are not aware of what a modern prophet, a Christian, is spirit led. It also solidifies the ignorance of Christian history when you do not know what a Restorationist is.

    Education is key and the fact that you utter such proves you lack, as you said it here.

    That being said, I mentioned they are prophets not inspired and not infallible, it does not negate such ones role, especially in the history of Restorationism and they being among the only people who adhere to their roots, as spirit led Christians.To not mix or twist has witness have done countless times.

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