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People were not kidding around when they think the dark soviet era was slowly coming in.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. As with all things Amazon will take over, and robots... They learned to jump over things now and can ninja jump their way upstairs, as we speak.
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@TrueTomHarley Unless you are willing to mount and ride one
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15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
Firstly SM it was Billy i was quoting when i said 'sects'. It was also Billy I was quoting when I said There has to be a distinction'.
I know, but things must be said.
15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:But it seems Billy is ok with the idea when it suits him. Such as when Billy says " Can we say, Christian sects that support the killing of others are reputable men?"
How are they killing others as you have said?
15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:But Billy, (and SM it seems), does not want to accept this need for distinction when it concerns Child Abuse. The JW org is as much in the bad news for Child Abuse as the Catholic church and others, so there is no distinction.
I actually speak to and help those who are abused among many other things, pretty much a perk when you are helping and supporting the youth in institutions and clubs dedicated to helping build up the young to have better lives, so I would not be obvious to such a matter, granted I am aware that child abuse is all over the place in all institutions, you speak as though it is only happening to a sole religious faith alone when all religious faiths are effected, even to Unitarians this happens also, it does not derail them, nor will it derail others.
Child Abuse happens in all communities, an increased statistics out there regarding those who practice homosexuality, especially men. Child Abuse will always be an issue because the world seems to openly accept such a thing, some wanting it to be a sexual preference and the like.
And those affected by Child Abuse will indeed speak about it, even speaking about other faiths, this includes Catholics who are also aware and openly speaking on the matter, the same as Muslims to which a majority of the UK seems to pin all pedophilia on Muslims when not all of them do such a thing, with the majority of the act being done by Caucasian white males in both the US and the UK - it does not mean all of them are doing the same thing, yet you have small communities and mobs who paint that picture - as they do with those of a faith community.
People who are awake and aware knows how to deal with such a mater, but to remain ignorant to what is going on out there is mind-boggling.
That being said, if the concern was this a great with you, you would have done the same as I have regarding Teresa May and several others in the UK, furthermore, unlike you, I have seen things and heard things even testimony from young ones, who are building other young ones to help others, this also goes in the category of child abuse whereas they themselves who recognize both the signs of those who had been abused and those who are targeted by abusers and the like - as I have always stated, there is always a better solution, singling out the world regarding child abuse and focusing on a sole faith is not one of them when you yourself and everyone knows those who abuse children will play the system to seek out targets of any kind, the price of imperfection.
15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:However in the case of the JW Org, who promote God's name Jehovah, they are now bringing shame on that name and on God Himself.
So if they are bringing shame on God's name why aren't you spreading the gospel yourself, but remain here? Speaker's Corner would be a start.
15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Plus, and I'm sure many do not think of this, they are endangering the lives of the congregants by not informing them of the increased danger of assault, either verbally or physically due to the public awareness of the Child Abuse scandal. There are such people in the world around us that do not think twice about assault and I feel the congregants should be warned and no secrets kept.
They are aware of this and yes people do thing twice. Plus it should be known to you by know as to why something such as Church Discipline is actually existing and or Internal things done by those who are of a pastoral and or steward like position, or Bishops.
For if it was to be kept a secret, they would not be speaking about prevention and a list of other things even though they are not immune to child abuse themselves - no one is, even you.
15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:There having been a murder in the Kingdom Hall of what was my local congregation, I'm more aware of the danger now.
I already know of this story, spoken vocally for people formerly of the faith tried to preach and proclaim that the murderer was or use to be a JW, when this information is false - therefore it isn't a surprise if you got duped into that information. EXJWs tried to pin the blame on a man they assume to be a JW. The killer committed a hate crime, for if he was actually a JW, he wouldn't believe in hellfire torment, for his own statement says so, furthermore, what he says also, Keith Beviss, is even further proof of this, check the updates of the story.
I'd also like to point out there was a girl who visited friends in the area who spoke up, only to be shot down by disgruntled JWs, the same goes for another guy, a Catholic, who attacked ExJWs for this story as fodder to make it seem the killer was somehow a JW when information gives us insight that this man simply disliked the group and was delusional.
During this time, Theresa May was trying to bluster up a fight against hate crime, for this murder, against the JW, was indeed a hate crime, hence the knife attacks that are increased in the UK.
That being said, if I may ask, were you not all that aware of the recent information that took place afterwards. This article is from 17 November 2017 when there is updates and recent information stemming into 2018, for it it was of a concern, you'd look into the information further.
Other than that this has been spoken of here before and Hate crimes, also including religious, have been on the rise in the UK, haven't you heard?
Recent statistics: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
Other information:
- https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/knife-crime-at-devon-courts-1808115
- https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-43007927
- https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/paranoid-killer-stabbed-jehovahs-witness-1193202
- https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/behind-bars-45-people-who-1676744
So you tell me regarding this quote:
Beviss claimed they were calling him 'wicked' and 'saying he would go to hell'.
You think the murderer was formerly a Witness when he himself was seeking to inflict harm on religious folk, even asking them for their faith, when the targets were common in the neighbor?
That being said, my biggest concern for you right now is to be very vigilant because knife attacks and hate crimes is high.
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10 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
Yes. To serve God properly. Also if you do not mind me asking, can you post the verses without hyperlinks.
11 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:But many JW's use the expression 'in the truth' to mean being part of the organisation, not as belonging to God through Christ.
They express and say in the truth because they, within their whole faith community is actually professing the teachings of the church, for a church and a community is organized, thus prompting orderly worship. Technically the people who profess God and his Christ are of God, regardless, for we have examples in the Bible, especially John 4.
13 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Quote : "Does this not apply to everyone, who follows in Jesus footsteps?" So does a person have to be a JW then ?
It does not always apply to everyone because majority in Christendom do not follow what is true. True Christians are of organized faiths and or sole individuals, this also includes all Restorationist, be it an organized faith or a sole individual.
That being said, not everyone follows Jesus' footsteps, hence why some who put themselves to task actually attempts to or do so accordingly and correct like the early Christians have done.
15 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Can we say, Christian sects that support hiding Child Abuse / Pedophilia in their organisation are reputable men ? That accounts for a large percentage too. Should honest Christians follow suit?
They are not a sect, for sects are a group of people with somewhat different religious beliefs (heretical) from those of a larger group to which they belong. Honest Christians are aware of sin, and they are aware that they themselves are not immune to the sins of the world, outside and what comes inside the church. Churches who follow the early Church are bounded by a type of ruling that is technically a Nazareth Vow, and if you read in the Bible what that is, it is something serious, hence why Church Disciplinary action and or investigation is a type professed by churches.
Pedophilia/child abuse is very low among a community of 8.5 million adherents.
that being said, I remember saying the faith ones follows such things will not stop them from being committed to their faith.
Child abuse is across the aboard and there are some forms of it that is very grim, even such committed by people in government and politics. It is everywhere.
23 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:You see Billy that is what I've found. The JW Org is no better than any other one.. And when I've said about the Child Abuse within the Org, others have said, yes but it happens everywhere. And here you are saying, as I've said many times, There needs to be a distinction...
Child abuse is everywhere... Yes this has been said, and what was always spoken of that it is globe and no one is immune to it, not even JWs. On the other side of the spectrum you have those prompting pedophilia and see it as no problem.
Regardless, it won't stop someone from professing a faith, especially Restorationist, for it should be known by now according to their history, they adhere to the faith as hardcore as a game addict to video games, nothing will stop them, perhaps slow them down a bit, but it will not stop the engine they are filling with coal.
Now if you want honesty, the only thing that can hinder all denominations, even JWs is strong, a very strong change in something in government and or the laws, example would be the 1st amendment in the US as to which the UN nearly got a hold of to alter, if that had been changed, it will not effect JWs, but all Americans, rich and poor. I am sure you guys in the UK have your laws of which Ms. May, who isn't clean herself, is strict on, should you lose such there would be chaos in London and many parts of the UK.
Russia is an example, think of that on a grander scale when Government, the State and a Sole Religion becomes a Triad of Power that wants to control and conquer - it will not fair well for the British or the Americans and the both of them know that it is a line they cannot cross, for if they do they cannot come back, we already see an example as of recent with the Saudis, your ally and the US' ally. A hero knows he or she cannot kill for if they do, they will go to the point of no return, in that same sense, it would be disastrous for you and JWs and everyone else should that happen - but such is inevitable.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. Well I have the short end of the stick, I did not exist around that time.
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There is a lot more about Jamal that the media does not speak about, an example, his relationship/and or how close he was with Osama Bin Laden. The US will not do a thing the Saudis because they are allies, and they got plans for 2030.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. It makes you wonder what is the next one to go. I can already see places like Gamestop, getting axed, perhaps Staples also. Kmart has weak knees.
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8 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
I think I've given many reasons to show that the GB are not guided by holy spirit. If I repeat myself some on here moan at me for being repetitive.
But these are reason by a sole individual, which is you. One cannot know for certain, but the most obvious thing when it comes to one's spiritually and how it benefits him/her and those around him/her.
10 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:It's nice to see that you say Jesus is the Truth. Many JW's say they are 'in the truth', but they mean they are in the JW Org. As you have said Jesus in the Truth, not the JW org.
But if I recall, Jehovah's Witnesses do speak of Jesus and do what is commanded by him and God. Examples would be adhering to the Great Commission and a list of other things. So when they say they are in the truth, it means they are on a path, their community as a whole, in a direction that is not bumpy or crooked, although all of them are imperfect.
It literally makes claim to this on their own website.
12 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:As for the 'reputable men' where are they ? Not the GB of the JW Org, nor the puppet elders.
Restorationist Christians are not puppets. If they were they'd be pushing the TR 1245 and ignore the fact that all Christians are of the New Covenant, those same Christians who make up the Spiritual House, furthermore, all members of that house have roles, in which it contributes to the church and her community.
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3 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
If I read it right this man lost half of his business because he was disfellowshipped.
Um, being disfellowshipped for drunkenness i can understand, but I presume the JW's that stopped dealing with him in business didn't have contracts to adhere to.
Pretty much. Grounds of Excommunication results in Church ties being cut, which includes members of the church in of itself, hence shun command that is in connection with expelling.
The article reads that some of his customers were/are of the same faith as him, mostly the same people who go to/or use to go to the same JW church with this individual.
Other than that, a good percentage of his business is still available to the public, just that small circle of JWs that were his customers are no longer putting revenue into said business.
6 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Best not put all your eggs in one basket then. Probably best to do business dealings in the world that we should be no part of.
We shouldn't be part of the world, it goes for all men and women, we already have several examples in the last few months. As long as his business does not take negative turns, he should be fine.
7 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Obviously I know nothing of this case, but it does seem a shame that he has lost so much because of the judgements of men.
Anything and everything in connection to Excommunication is Biblical, it does not originate with men, it originates with Christ, hence what was entrusted. For although he is expelled from his church, his business can still benefit others since all church ties are cut due to what he was excommunicated for.
For if a man sells fish and crabs to all even his church and eventually cut off from that community, his business isn't totally dead, only lost a good portion of customers who are of said church.
That being said, drunkenness and verbal abuse - for such things like that would get you booted from the church community because the Bible speaks regarding such things: drinking to the point to where you lose control and a foul mouth.
The individual also admitted to 2 situations of drunkenness, whereas one of those occasions, he verbally abusing his wife -- wrongdoing he attributed to family stress over the earlier expelling of his 15 year old daughter from the church. Furthermore, Church Discipline committed by the church, which is referred to as a judicial committee stated that the individual was of the church since 1980, and that he himself would be expelled because he was not sufficiently repentant. And after that, for Wall, he took more actions upon himself and it all went downhill from there.
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@Hankulan Tunani Pretty much jumping to conclusions, or jumping the gun.
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It was only temporary, but it did cause people to freak out. Although when it id happen no warning was issued.
But hey, at least it gave people sometime to take a break.... or at least I thought when there is other forms of media present and video games left and right. There should be a day when everything shuts down for a good hour.
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On 6/3/2018 at 2:49 PM, Srecko Sostar said:
Who really won?? What god won in Canada? And what god won in Russia? :))))
Clearly something big is going on in the EU even regarding Russia. It is no surprise the general public does not know what is going on compared to those who understand and is aware. The fact that 374 laws were made, people were kicked out of their homes by force and 1k arrest all coupled with critics being captured and or killed, with, lastly, Putin winning, should be a read flag, especially when the whole RoC and Ukraine thing is escalating as we speak.
@Hankulan Tunani Governments don't intervene as much because of lines they cannot cross, which will lead to problems even outside of religion.
Other than that, these judges appear to have just left a very early Christmas event hence their clothing.
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As with all faiths there is a true believer of the faith and someone who just attends - one can see the difference.
Also that whole debacle about the 1975 thing, there was never a claim of the world ending, and I have read enough proof as with hearing live proof myself some time ago, all this including the now long deleted video that had an angry mob remove it from Youtube when someone spoke of the matter.
That being said, someone must've not gotten the memo, they should be clothed in public, this is absurd as the time Matthew McConaughey was in the same situation while in his home but was bongo drumming, and yet he was still sane.
Plus the Canadians just legalized a plant that the US seems to always be losing a fight against, a good thing such ones didn't get any of such before they went bonkers.
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4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
America is unequally divided.
Samuel Colt made everybody equal.
Not quite, a time will come when the division will be far greater. The world as a whole are of 2 factions, including America and whom they side with, while you have Russia and whom they side with.
As for the Americans, America is broken and divided and eventually it will reach a tipping point, for last time I mention people wanting to start a civil war of some sort and a list of other things.
That being said, the SJWs have been given a new name, NPCs which I find somewhat funny.
Politicians will continue to jab at each other's necks as we speech, as with those of the far left and far right, us neutrals just sit back an watch with a bag of popcorn in hand, for such things taking place is non of our business.
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8 hours ago, John Houston said:
Why would you think that way? When the Israelites though divided from the Levites did have the Law read to them. And then also to have understanding as it was read. So why not we of the earthly hope not understand as the anointed what the scriptures teach? They are as imperfect as I am, right? Still in need of the ransom as I am, correct? The only difference from us they have an office of responsibility in another plane of existence than mine. Yet they and us still honor and worship the same Father. Both in subjection to Him, not one higher than the other. Being immortal is great, but for now we are the same. And we eat from the same table prepared by Jehovah through Christ Jesus. Remember? Not two tables!
Indeed only one table. The time for such is soon. For we, imperfect now are still susceptible to a variety of things that can cause us to fall, each and everyone one of us to our own problems and devices, some make an effort not to fall, those who fall simply stand back up and continue to walk while others remain with their back to the ground.
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5 hours ago, Gone Away said:
Nor disapproval.
Or that, some people forget God uses man in order for his Purpose and Will to go out to the people. There is tons of examples in the Bible as it is.
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11 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:But the approval of mere men means nothing in God's eyes, haven't you figured that out yet Tom ? .My oh my and I thought you had spiritual wisdom.
Not quite, then you have those that make up the Spiritual House, those of the New Covenant and God's Christ who is the head of the church, hence members of the church who has/requires able bodied ones and the like.
God approves/disapproves but us as normal men and women cannot do the approving or the anointing for God, he can do this himself.
That being said, there are only a few chosen ones on the earth, we do not have an exact number, especially from Pentecost up to now.
God invites men to such things so we cannot say for certain.
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@James Thomas Rook Jr. Well then, you are tasked to go back in time and figure out what Jesus and everyone else actually looks like. But you'd have to be very, very careful not to cause a time paradox. Anything silly you do in the past, surely, God will know when/should you return.
Just do not make contact with Jesus' robe otherwise what played out in Luke 8:45 (Mark 5:30-34) will take place, then you'll have a problem, when you are the only one among the crowd who speaks a language they have never heard of (Jesus might be able to understand you) - English.
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@Hankulan Tunani The Netherlands has been a mess for sometime now, and there is also an issue with something or someone.
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@Srecko Sostar Government Controlled and or owned globalist media. You have to dig for facts to see if the story is true or not, in most cases that is everything expressed by such ones.
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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
However I thought that Muslims didn't believe in God having a son.
They actually believe this, that Jesus is God's Son, as well as Jesus being a Prophet. There biggest problem is they do not adhere to or believe in the idea that Jesus is God, a teaching that is affiliated with Trinitarian/Modalistic practices.
1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:SM You seem quite happy to 'correct' anyone on here that you find giving false information. Therefore is it not right for a Christian to tell a Muslim that they are serving God incorrectly ?
The reason I speak on their behalf at times is because of those who single them into one category, those who have Islamophobia. A Christian can preach the gospel to a Muslim however Muslims assume, only some of them, that all Christians are Trinitarians, an example would be that of Soco Films (exposed as lairs and frauding those the debate against), who are hardcore Trinitarians in the UK, they go after Jews, Catholics, JWs, Baptist, and the focus target, Muslims, the very reason why Muslims now study the Bible to point out issues with Trinitarians.
Indeed, anything of falsehood or conspiracy.
There is another area, like this forum regarding Dawah, whereas Trinitarians and Muslims are often at odds with each other, while at the same time Non-Trinitarians go at it with Trinitarians, something of which I mentioned here several times before.
1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:And if Muslims do not believe that Jesus Christ came from God, and was born as perfect man, so that he could die a perfect man and fulfill the Mosaic Law and lead us to everlasting life, then Muslims do not have the truth from God do they ?
Muslims do believe. Isa ibn Maryam meaning Jesus Son of Mary or simply Jesus. The Qu'ran and most Hadiths (testimonial) gives mention of Jesus, that he [Jesus] was born as a pure boy/child, who has no sin by means of his human mother, Mary. They understand that Jesus is a prophet and messenger of God (Allah in Arabic) and they believe he is the Christ/Messiah (Al'Masih), sent by God to help and give guidance the Children of Israel with a new revelation, to give the good news gospel, otherwise known as Al'Injil in Arabic or simply termed the gospel. Jesus who is the Christ, or in this case, Al'Masih, in Islam, is believed to be a prophet who neither married nor had any children and is reflected as a significant figure of importance. Jesus is mentioned over dozens of time in the Qu'ran with various titles, for example Son of Mary.
So it is unknown to anyone that they have a good idea who the Christ is, although the modern day children of Ishmael, the Muslims, view differ, but their view of God is accurate. The difference here is that they do not believe that Jesus had died, they believe he went straight into heaven to escape heaven once God had saved him out of the hands of those who wish to kill him compared to Christianity, who believe Jesus did in fact die.
I wouldn't say truth faith, but one has to realize to understand their views so conspiracy or falsehood isn't made against them, just as this sign in the thread makes no information of. Another factor is those using a Qu'ran that is not of the actual source, granted the Qu'ran had very very old manuscripts that were actually found.
That being said, there is always a list of difference, but there is factual information as to why this or why that, so to speak. Other than that they believe in eternal life, and that Jesus would return also, making all people believe in God, for Jesus will come to destroy the wicked, and put an end to the False Messiah to which we call the Anti-Christ, this term is called e Al'Masih-Ad'Dajjal in Arabic and that Jesus is to establish peace on earth.
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He might have had something going on in that head of his.
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@JOHN BUTLER At least it isn't that bad. I once had to deal with someone who went by name, in all caps, THE YIDDISH GHOST, even his avatar is ghost-like, when he says something it is always in Yiddish and when you translate his words and message is often cryptic and riddle based at times backwards or purposely misspelled in order for you to figure out, he was a Bible reading Agnostic and had quite a lot to say. A verse he often uses when he thinks he confuses or bested someone is this, 1 Corinthians 14:33. He shares a similar view of the early church as me and many others, but his is a bit more extreme and focused on Caesarea Philippi, mainly regarding the church.
I could probably dig up a screenshot of this guy when I have time.
Why John Butler Left Jehovah's Witnesses
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As is with young Jesus to the religious leaders in the temple. That being said, Restorationist do not make man made rules, their rules are based on either Scripture and or anything pertaining to modesty, cleanness, an example would be I know Jehovah's Witnesses, in the US for example, cannot and will not have beards due to concerns with neatness and cleanness so that the message they bring forth does not detract from the dignity or the effectiveness of the message they bear the verse in question of which stems this 2 Corinthians 6:3, 4 among a few. Ironically enough people do take issue with beards, especially some non-Americans and or those outside of the US who now live there, in other cases beards are banned in some areas i.e. Nigeria.
You make it seem that you are, especially when it comes to Strong's. But like I said, their stewards or elders are not puppets, nor are their leaders, for if we have to blame someone, it would be God if that is the case due to orderly worship, and you have his Son, who is the head of the church.
Regarding Hitler, there has been some major things at play that is not spoken of by most, and it took people of power and influence who through their lots into the same pot, with Hitler being another chess piece on the board.
If they are ruining lives, they would not be increasing in adherents and they would too be affected by the decline of Christendom, when minorities are unaffected.
It should be obvious to you in the UK, granted that Islamic faith is nearly surpassing mainstream Christianity, while minorities are untouched by the decline, granted the decline is far more bigger in the UK and EU compared to US and Asia, whereas the US consider is also regarding White Christians.
All this, spoken of 2015, and here we are now.
That being said, I do not see how their stewards are to be blamed for Christian Primitivty regarding the Bible, this also goes for lone Restorationist who are not part of any group as well.