Space Merchant

This is insane and tragic, and there are other situations far worse than this.

@Andreas Meier The forums have changed so topics have been moved over to this section. Also a majority of the users are on this section.

5 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

You are living in a fantasy world construct of your own device, Space Merchant.

I am talking about one thing ... and you have slipped into a world of something else altogether.

In short, I assume you were talking about corporate firing of someone who is found to be in error in the workplace.

I wouldn't call it fantasy, this is the case with cooperate businesses and the like. I should know because I had a hand in dealing in such places and out of experience this is the case when you are a man of color in such places, mainly if such ones are aware of your background and or history, and or what race you are.

This stems into the medical field as well (also including  labor and pharmaceutical companies), whereas it is a bit harsh and far worse compared to corporate.

That being said, I assume you were talking about workplace firing and the like, the very reason I bring up what is actually a reality. I would also like to add such things can happen indirectly be those within the company and or outside of it, which will prompt targeting and or gang-stalking of the targeted individual.

4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I'll continue my daily Bible reading and my prayers to God and hopefully something will happen to give me some direction. Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem but it was a long time (in human terms)  before it happened. Patience is required for many things. Should I expect God to answer my prayers immediately ? No of course not. Maybe i am being put to the test. Maybe God wants to know if I'm sincere. Or, maybe there will be big changes within the JW Org and it will 'cleaned out' and then have God's approval.

This you must do to continue to gain more understanding, also to keep yourself in check, in regards to doing so there will be some path that opens that leads you in the correct direction. Indeed Jesus spoke of Jerusalem and her destruction, and this gives us an example today of how people take to warning of what is to comer.

Like I said, we do not know about God's approval and or not, but the fact that they strive to follow the early church is a telltale sign, as is with ALL Restorationist, the very reason why a lot of true Christians remain in total neutrality them.

But stuff like this will continue to happen and will only continue to do so until the Son of God returns, therefore what is plaguing mankind that comes from sin itself, will continue to happen until then.

That being said, regarding masturbation and pornography, as is discussed here, those afflicted with such an addiction, it will continue onward, even among the greatest of people be it religious or not. Some give in, and some actually try to find solutions to their problems, some fail, some succeed. Going with I professed before, it is not something out of the ordinary for religious people to speak on the matter and give some advice of what to do, as well as to explain it. The very reason why I links and information to such ones who also do the same thing of which the JWs are doing, but these people are confined to a sole sub-community on the website known as reddit. Although it is solely Christian, it branches out to the community as a whole who put their differences aside because they have a common enemy - sexual immorality.

They themselves know you cannot erase sexual immortality from the world, reality and virtually, however, it does not stop them from helping and preventing some instances. When God sends Jesus to earth, only then such things will cease.

45 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible.

NOTHING else actually works !

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No mechanism exists,  to fire those responsible.

The only thing that will sustain such a system is an unlimited supply of free money.

 

Not always the case. There is always training, warning, and restrictions to be made. Sometimes a suspension and or a revoke of title, or someone being displaying an in real life problem called the ID 10t error in the work place.

Firing would depending on the person and employer and what was actually done and it is often a last resort, but others only fire out of hate, example, because the best worker in the force is a woman of color and is not liked by the boss, she can be fired for something very minor while that same mistake done by someone else who is not of color will be given a warning and or a minor suspension - other times it may not be a minor mistake, something can be made behind the scenes to "set up" the targeted person.

19 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Ah but the Pope is organised and so is the Archbishop, and probably most leaders of most 'Christian' religions, but it does not make them right and it does not give them God's approval. So to follow the direction of a GB that does not have God's approval and is not directed by God's holy spirit would be 'the blind leading the blind'. And how could a person, with a clear conscience, go on the ministry to try to bring more people into an Organisation which allows such wicked Child Abuse to go on. And how could such a person follow the wicked rule of shunning innocent people just because the GB says so.... Yes I agree with you, God has to show us the right Organisation to be part of, but the JW Org does not seem to measure up to it. You seem to put aside the fact that the GB proclaim to be the 'Faithful and discreet slave' and they say that no one else but them have this special communication with God. So for you to say the GB may or may not be doing a good job is rather strange if in fact you believe the proclamation they make about themselves.

The Apostolic Church was also organized. It comes down to the matter of who is striving to be like, is already like, and or attempting to be like the early church, of this order is of God's approval, as well as what Jesus entrusted the church to do.

We cannot come out of the gates and say that their direction is not approved by God, for as I told you before, God knows who is for him and who is not. If you have several people actually attempting to follow the early church, that alone should tell you something and it is easy to see what direction the early church was going for before the council itself, the teachings and practices of the church prior to the council, of which I was telling the Trinitarian, who thinks there is an afterlife, here several months ago.

And we have talked in 2-3 topics already about child abuse and such have already been explained to you, we are now on the discussion of the church and those who partake in masturbation and pornography, you are free to post any new information on the other threads, but clearly we do not want another storm here, mainly when the topic is of serious concern.

Lastly, it is common for anyone to say they are the only line of communication to God, mind you, they are Restorationist Christian, it is very, very common with them to say such and they do this because as their Apostolic roots, they are actually doing what needs to be done in order to make that claim, be is Restorationist that are of an organized religion and or a sole individual.

That being said, this is why I encourage people to learn the history of the early church, if the Agnostics can do it, so can others.

Also regarding to the other thing you said, you should be discerning, not going upon opinion and feelings in this regard, granted that such things are taking place with mankind as a whole.

13 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Probably depends where and when they indulge.

Or how far they've gone off the rails, which will enable grounds of excommunication, mainly if the person in question is aware and accepting that his actions are not wrong vs. those who are in agony who speak up on their problems and seek help, such ones are not expelled compared to the ones that are expelled for committing the act willfully, but yes, it depends. Some people commit masturbation and view pornography will eventually dwell into things that is not normal to them, bizarre even, others will go about seeking to actually get themselves in sexual immortality such as sexual relations and so forth. Another factor is anyone in a relationship can shatter what they have due to this addiction, they'll be lucky if the mate helps them to break free from the addiction.

Regarding the addiction, better to stamp out the weeds in the grass before it grows, next thing you know, the one with the addiction will take it a step further, and will end up meeting people for one sole purpose, granted today's society allows one to do such, as they say, hookup with others by a simply click and or swipe.

Somewhat unrelated, but a brief example of someone who has been heavy on this addiction, but today is fighting against it and inspiring others to do the same:

An example I can bring up in this case is a story about a man who had it rough as a teenager into his adulthood regarding this addiction. He's been watching pornography and masturbating since he was in his 2nd year in high school when such was introduced to him by peers at school, and after high school, around the age 20-21, his addiction grew to the point where he is unable to focus, unable to sleep properly and eventually he began seeking as well as talking to prostitutes and eventually over time, he found one via online, for this time the struggling man had some money and he knew exactly want he wanted and what he is doing. How he changed over time in an instant was like dodging a bullet, for he was well on his way to meet the prostitute, as he said, an Asian woman, he entered the room and everything and before anything had been done, he stopped himself at the entrance and went about his own revelation of things, telling himself what was it he was doing, what did he get himself into, thinking to himself and ignoring what the woman was telling him, and he simply fled he area, as the woman was trying to tell him where he is going, as he puts it, she was trying to influence him to come back and carry on with what was going to happen. From that day on, has been working to better himself, although he, as do many continue to fight to not relapse, this man has worked to inspire others to stay away from masturbation and pornography. He is also someone who is trying to live a peaceable life too, he is also a YouTuber, and like many who are fighting against masturbation and pornography, he is one of them. This is the only image I can pull of the man that isn't a huge picture, but this is an image of him months after what took place.

 

This is but one of many stories from those in the trenches.

That being said, this is the next step in fear of those who practice the addiction. For some people, they end up falling to the point they cannot get up, so the help is necessary. For this is why problems like this it is best to speak to someone about it, but some do not because the fact that their actions is made known by someone else, they will feel embarrassed. To some Christians, if they do practice such they feel worthless in the face of God, but God knows we are imperfect, and we sin, by means of His Son, repentance is a possibility, for we repent and while we do so, we speak with others so they can also provide some help.

On 9/18/2018 at 1:03 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

He should wipe that grin off his face if he only has $100 million. Why such a pauper, compared to Gates or Buffett?

Yes, The Woz is only in the million dollar club whereas others are above him, for instance, singer Tina Turner, her net worth is net worth is estimated to $250 million.

3 hours ago, Anna said:

I agree. The thing is, no one will get disfellowshipped for masturbating.

That can be a yes and no in some cases regarding excommunication. If anything, there would be a push to help that one person who is dealing with that problem some help. This was the case of my brother, who was literally deep in the trenches when it came to masturbation and pornography. Before myself and my father stepping in to help, after he commits such an action, you can tell, even though you do not know what he did until he spoke up, he was not 100%, and didn't get enough sleep.

3 hours ago, Anna said:

But masturbation isn't in that category, (of going beyond what is written) it has to do more with self control as part of the Christian personality that we are supposed to cultivate.

Agreed. In the community I linked here several times already, self-control is a key factor in trying to stop the habit. That and a ton of willpower, mainly if such one is practicing the habit for a very long time, and it is not easy.

Those who succeed act as an influence and or leaders to those in the same boat they use to set sail in.

7 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

What is a Bullfrog had wings .... would he bump his rump every time he took off?

Jehovah and his type are energy creatures, without DNA.

They do not need this Universe AT ALL.

So ..... why did Jehovah create THIS Universe?

Hmmmmmmm ?

For the sons and daughters of DNA ... there is a LOT of  Real Estate out there !

Once you get out of the Earth's gravity well ... you are half way to ANYWHERE!

 

Not only Bullfrogs, but what if.... Just what if pigs can truly fly? Whisk away into the heavens alongside birds and flying insects.

 

The Chickens will be very jealous. For us of mankind this would be extremely bizarre to see, moreover, the phrase "when pigs fly" would have been literal this time.

FEMA.... That state organization has a bit of a dark side upon them.

@Jack Ryan 

• John 5:28-29 - (28) Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice (29) and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
• Revelation 21:4 - He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
• 1 Corinthians 15:26 - The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

And there's more.

@Anna I know there is a guy by the name of Daniel who is a Jehovah's Witnesses and he had a lot to say about the matter. When I have the time to look up his blog posts I will just list them here for you.

@Srecko Sostar You have Secular Law and Religious Law. Not all the time, if any chance given, such crosses paths with each other.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. God isn't ignoring anything, he is and always is watching, it is up to us of ho we do things with our free will and time, decisions and whatnot. For he knows what he will do when he informs his Christ to return. Masturbation and Pornography has been around as far back as ancient Egypt, perhaps even further back so I wouldn't stop at Victorian Era/Age, granted we know even during those times, immortality was not only high, but obvious. Prostitution was pretty much riddled to your left and right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era#Morality

Other than that, anything that pertains to Sexual Immortality is indeed Sexual Immortality, any unclean ideas and or thoughts, etc, mainly when you live in a society of which sex sells. For instance, New York, specifically Manhattan, there are people allowed to roam about in their birthday suits, be it male and or female, and they sport body paint on a small portion of their body, this same area is where children, police, and other grown adults roam and it is the Time Square area. So among your Mickey Mouses, Wolverines, Spidermans, Marios and Woodys from Toy's Story, you will have a small few of nudist that are in the area and to anyone who is fighting with trying to stop practicing sexual immortality, they can relapse later on just by the sight of such ones in the crowd, mainly if so and so is been trying to avoid such for merely a few days so far.

But New York is but one of many, many examples, for you have the real world and the virtual world that consist of immorality that anyone can stumble upon, far worse if it is a young person who gets caught in that problem.

That being said, such an addiction is not easy for some to break away from. Think of it as this way - it is like trying to break free from chains.

As for your video it is hard to laugh at that when this community, with those who actually have the same goals here (ironically none of that Trinitarian vs. Non-Trinitarian here, just everyone vs. Sexual Immortality), exist: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFapChristians/ (This is just but one branch of the olive tree too)

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

but i also like very much that missing verses  John 8:1-11

Unfortunately it is not of any of the older sources, and was never written by John, hence such a passage is not authentic.

This is why God himself said in Deuteronomy 4:2:

You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.

And his Son Jesus stated in John 10:35b:

and Scripture cannot be broken—

The references: Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:5, 6, Revelations 22:18, 19.

Let's put John in modern day. If John was a chef and he made Pizzas with sausage and pepperoni, his signature style. If someone came in and try to emulate and prepare a Pizza similar to John. changing it up and adding on something new, removing what John put, clearly the Pizza isn't of John's design - not the best example, but a slight bit of the point made.

That being said, you can like the passage all you want, but regardless of what you think, opinion and or feeling, it is not authentic and such you cannot say is true when it is spurious. The worse thing you can do is confront an advanced Bible reading Christian/Muslim who is educated on this and say this is an authentic verse, you'll only be met with a powerful critique.

Therefore John 7:53-8:11 is not Bible Canon, the same can be said of Mark 16:9-20.

NOTE: There are two passages (both 12 verses long) that continue to appear in the main text of most of the modern versions, but distinguished in some way from the rest of the text, such as being enclosed in brackets or printed in different typeface or relegated to a footnote. These are passages which are well supported by a wide variety of sources of great antiquity and yet there is strong reason to doubt that the words were part of the original text of the Gospels. In the words of Philip Schaff, "According to the judgment of the best critics, these two important sections are additions to the original text from apostolic tradition."

The JWs are also and have been aware of this also: The earliest authoritative manuscripts do not have the passage from Joh 7:53 to 8:11. These 12 verses were obviously added to the original text of John’s Gospel. (See App. A3.) They are not found in the two earliest available papyri containing the Gospel of John, Papyrus Bodmer 2 (P66) and Papyrus Bodmer 14, 15 (P75), both from the second century C.E., nor are they found in the Codex Sinaiticus or Codex Vaticanus, both from the fourth century C.E. They first appear in a Greek manuscript from the fifth century (Codex Bezae) but are not found in any other Greek manuscripts until the ninth century C.E. They are omitted by most of the early translations into other languages. One group of Greek manuscripts places the added words at the end of John’s Gospel; another group puts them after Lu 21:38. That this portion appears at different places in different manuscripts supports the conclusion that it is a spurious text. Scholars overwhelmingly agree that these verses were not part of the original text of John.

The Muslims also gave some info/Da'wah on this also: There are 267 Greek manuscripts, which are the earliest versions, and are considered the most important by textual analysts, and none of those 267 contain this passage. Newer Bibles that were compiled, and wrote after the more ancient manuscripts were discovered, either omit the passage or add a note along with the passage, stating it was not found in the more ancient manuscripts..... Now, should we follow the words of Jesus in Matthew, which has foundation in manuscripts, or do we follow the words of Jesus in verses not found in the ancient manuscripts? Which is the more logical answer? The pericope of the adulteress is easily a corruption invented later and inserted into the Bible.

Any Dawah material regarding the omitted verses are insanely critical, read at your own risk, since you like that passage. I'd also like to mention

Misc:

• https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/46748/why-do-some-bible-translations-omit-john-753-811
• https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/3506/was-jesus-and-the-woman-taken-in-adultery-in-st-john-a-later-addition-and-do

The CSE community is a mixed bag so you are bound to find something.

As I had spoken to your friend, Witness, a while back who tried to use a typo against me when every thing I say is adhering to Textual Criticism, regardless of what you think, you should be very careful with spurious text and are actual persons who are of the extreme who act upon said spurious text. You being acceptive of such only proves here that may most likely accept all spurious text if you accept this one,  for anyone does are met with those who adhere to Textual Criticism, some far more strict than others - the irony here is you tend to use the JW's Bible and still fail to see this, mind you, that Bible even tells you in the footnotes as in WHY such things are omitted, clearly;[hence what is noted above].

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

agree, violence is not the answer and we must do all we can to calm down some situation.

but respond to violence sometimes asking person to be strong  in both ways.

This is true, but in Peter's case he is witnessing an injustice, and was one among the others who took action. Peter, who had fled immediately after, also goes further than that, to keep watch over those who took Jesus, but he does so at a distance, for who knows what the mob would have done to him if he had been compromised, most likely kill him.

Again, we do not see anything regarding temptation here.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

"The big question now is where are you drawing temptation from in regards to the whole passage itself in this chapter? No cross-references to the passage alludes to temptation at all."  ......Space Merchant ask me, and answer is; 

Dear readers of this issue, here is the origin, source of the word TEMPTATION mentioned for the very first time.  And we see who first who put this word in circulation of our discussion. :))

Stay focused, you are being asked right now. Everyone knows what temptation is and when and where such things take place in the Bible, for instance, Eve, Joseph, David, etc with examples being negative and or positive, Jesus himself had been tempted by the Devil, but the Son of the true God prevailed, even uttering the Law of what is written.

That being said, what you have stated still does not answer the question.

If you are going about the word itself and or anything regarding Temptation, why bring up Luke 22:36-38 in the first place and or Peter? The verse and references even tells you that

• [1] An act of injustice has been done
• [2] the Disciples themselves knows of the injustice when they came to take Jesus away, Peter included
• [3] Before anything could be done prior to the arrest of Jesus, he taught the disciples a vital lesson.

I'll ask you again, in simple terms, where are you drawing temptation from?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Symbolic or not, sword cut down the ear of one man. Or do you suggest that the ear also became symbolic item?  

Symbolic in terms of lesson professed by Jesus, however the action done by Peter is also literal. Peter himself did what he did because he himself knew what was being done was an act of injustice. For instance, I can lie to the police and say you are a thief, as well as a violent person, anything to get you arrested when such is  untrue, the police goes to your home and apprehends you, and any relative of yours will say and or do something to prevent what is going on, but what is done is done until real justice is done, since I brought up the lie, I will be held accountable in this example.

Back to the passage at hand. The disciples saw and was in direct line of sight of the angry mob who came to take Jesus away, and they suggested and asked if they should fight, better didn't wait around to find out and took action, he acted. With a sword in hand, he took aim at one of the people among the mob and the result was the cutting off one man’s ear with a single sword stroke, Peter's intent was to do some real damage (mind you, he's a fisherman who is capable of basic swordplay), but he was stopped, reproved by Jesus, he [Jesus] said to him "Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Unlike the others, Peter had soon abandoned Jesus, he thereafter followed the mob from a distance, apparently torn between fear for his own life and his deep concern as to what would happen to friend and teacher, Jesus.

As we can see, nothing regarding temptation was at play here.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

⁵ While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. ¹⁶ When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?” Mark 2

10Later, as Jesus was dining at Matthew’shouse, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Him and His disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”…Mat 9

34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, andyou say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Luke 7

I believe you have been corrected on this before and even given some examples, other than that, it has nothing to the passage in question, let alone nothing to do with temptation regarding the arresting of Jesus.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

In WT revised Bible chapter 8 beginning with verse 12. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/8/

This is correct. The Jehovah's Witnesses, as do may have omitted the verses from the Bible and yet people attack anyone with a revised version that omits such verses are often attacked and or ridiculed. Jehovah's Witnesses/Bible Students use to use the KJV Bible, but never have they made use of the spurious text. Other Christians as well as Muslims, who take Bible Hermeneutics seriously, also avoid using spurious text.

Also Biblehub and Gateway are websites that you can checkout to see what is omitted and what is not.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So i have to ask, what kind of gospel from chapter 8 you talking about? :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

The King James Version (KJV and or NKJV) of the Bible, and or anything in regards to Textus Receptus and or the TR 1245. Surprisingly one of the few things I agree with you on - a bit rare compared to your friend who has no idea what difference is there in the interlinear Bibles, of which he/she has been corrected on.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_verses_not_included_in_modern_English_translations#John_7:53-8:11

I myself, personally, do not like the changes and or spurious text from the KJV, hence why I do not use it otherwise it would cause confusion. If anything some draw example from some verses and or passages.

That being said, I have always been critical of the KJV and or anything in relation with TR1245. Although I have a lot to learn still, this is among the basic things hat people should be aware of. My only great issue is with people who confuse Jesus for God, or saying the Holy Spirit is a separate being, and these same people who back up such doctrine with spurious text and or passages, as well as Bible Canons are are false - such things irks me and I will speak critically.

23 hours ago, Anna said:

Sure, but in this instance I was talking about one thing specifically. There is more chance of someone having immoral thoughts when they masturbate, than if they take a cold shower.

Plus, someone who is masturbating cannot be said to be deadening their desire as per Colossians 3:5, (generally speaking, as there are always exceptions to the rule)

At times cold showers don't always work. What needs to be done is keeping yourself busy with other things, or find new hobbies, read more, be around people, friends and family members and or others because being alone is the worse thing that can happen when those thoughts come to mind, but when you keep yourself busy with other things, the chance of avoiding masturbation and pornography is increased.

True it isn't easy for some, there are those who if see a woman or man, they are immediately triggered. In the anti-masturbation community, there are those who avoid going to the beach because they would see someone in a bathing-suit, which will trigger them, others who try to o their best to do other things while at the same time flee from what is fueling the temptation to act upon fleshy desires. Going to the gym is another method of avoiding the habit, but at the same time, the guy would have to avoid all the Beckys in the Gym, while the girl have to avoid all the Tylers in the gym, it isn't easy, but what helps some is listening to music as they workout. But 100% of the time when one actually kicks the habit, they become better people, even feel better and by means of their experience they help others.

Another problem is in today's society, sex sells, and it is all over the place, advertised, on the TV, in the books, even video games, speaking about video games, most Japanese game developers (I'm looking at you Tomonobu Itagaki) tend to add lewd and or inappropriate contain to the games, so it may not be the violence and or difficult of a game that gets someone, it is the inappropriate sexual immortality in the game itself that will cause some problems, and knowing how Japan is, they have a culture and community that is centered around sexual immortality. What adds more fuel to the fire is hackers, they tend to add pornographic imagery to a game that can cause a young one or a teen to later explore such things without warning, examples here, a Super Mario game being affected by hackers: https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/22/17494552/nintendo-switch-hack-super-mario-odyssey-luigis-balloon-world

And there is yet ANOTHER problem, the dark side of the internet whereas anything that EXIST (literally anything) will be turned into something very very inappropriate, so it is all over the place, so one has to avoid pornography as well as masturbation like the plague.

So we have to be very very careful, granted that the internet is accessible by anyone, anytime, anywhere.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Depends on the person. I've seen and met those who literally deaden such desires totally and think very ill of those who subject themselves to such.

The big thing is, one who is in suffering of such a problem, they have to combat it. It comes back over and over again and it is up to that person to conquer this fleshy desire.

It is not an easy fight either, mainly for those that are deep in it as if they are chained by the immorality. There was a nice quote I read somewhere, wish I remembered it, but it will come to me when I recall it in regards to this.

But yeah, I've seen and talked to people who are broken by this addiction and trying to piece themselves back together, it is not a pretty sight.

@Srecko Sostar In some cases, it is both. They fall under the same category, as is with other things pertaining to masturbation and viewing of pornography.

2 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Why would it have been wrong for Peter to use a sword on that occasion?

Somehow he is coming up with temptation. If anything, Peter himself sees the situation as a complete injustice against Jesus, only then Jesus taught him and the other a vital lesson.

But in Srecko's eyes, Peter seeing injustice is somehow temptation - of which still remains to be seen.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

SM please be more careful about putting your ideas and words in my mouth about what i told or not told. Our conversation about money was in different context. I never said how i don't or didn't believe in "carried a purse". SM, SM :)))))))))   

It's in regards to a previous discussion of which that exact verse was brought up, Srecko Sostar, it is not of my own design, check the Strong's and maybe you will learn something for I addressed this to you before when you didn't believe the disciples carried money on them. Plus I only referenced it since we are, once again, discussing this passage.

Here, this time I am holding your hand and directing you to the Greek Strong's 905 moneybag/money belt [a purse]: https://biblehub.com/greek/905.htm

The irony here is the website you pulled the verse from even tells you:

• https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+22%3A36&version=NIV
• https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+22%3A36&version=ASV
• https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 22%3A36&version=ESV

Bur wait, there's more. Check it for yourself on Biblehub, notes point to moneybag, money belt, a purse: https://biblehub.com/luke/22-36.htm

If you are thinking women purses, then my friend, you fall upon man's understanding again and not the Strongs.

That being said, nowhere in any review of this passage it is shown there was temptation involved when the cross-references gives you the answer and the very fact Jesus was showing the Disciples a lesson, a vital one that is to be learned, and it applies to us today, hence why I references the verses from Matthew and John.

The big question now is where are you drawing temptation from in regards to the whole passage itself in this chapter? No cross-references to the passage alludes to temptation at all.

Also if I may add, you are misusing the verse in James in regards to the passage for the wrong reasons. mainly when you have this verse referenced to Genesis 22:1, Matthew 4:7, James 1:14. Has nothing to do with Jesus and the lesson he was teaching his disciples in that particular situation.

@AllenSmith34 The point was obvious. I didn't see how that was missed. BibleGateway and Biblehub even points to that lesson also, and that is pretty much holding your hand to lead you to the right answer.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I think we have argument in Bible report about last night when Jesus said this:

³⁶ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ³⁷ It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’^[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

³⁸ The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.

Caiaphas had sent soldiers to go after and arrest Christ Jesus during nightfall. Jesus was very aware of this, so during his final meal with his apostles, he asked them to get some swords. 2 would be used, and Jesus had them get the swords so he can teach them a vital lesson, which brings us to Luke 22:36-38 (moneybags [a purse] is also mentioned but last we talked you didn't believe they carried any). Later that night, one of the apostles, Peter, used a sword to attack a member of the mob that came for Jesus for he himself knew of the injustice that was taking place, read, John 18:10.Due to this, we see Jesus say to Peter, for he told him to return his sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword, read Matthew 26:52, 53. This is the vital and yet powerful lesson Jesus taught that was in harmony within  what Jesus prayed about earlier that night, hence the term, they must be no part of the world (John 17:16).

What Peter did was not for him to make, but anything in regards to fighting such an injustice belongs to and is left to God.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well yes, it is ok what Jesus put in his prayer. But he personally ask them to have sword/swords with them at that temptation moment. Why would Jesus intentionally stumble his friends and made them to do something what is wrong? Because of fulfilling the prophecy? Or Jesus made some parables,  enigmatic message, hyperbole, secret teaching?

Sostar... The cross references even points to the very lesson Jesus was trying to teach. How did you miss that? You when to Biblegateway and it shows you there also.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Why would Jesus ask them to CARRY swords, when he knows very well that his followers can, might be put in temptation to use it? Or did Jesus want that sword to be used? 

To show them a lesson which is in harmony with what he prayed about the night before. The cross-references even tell you.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Anyway, Jesus gave Peter just advice about what could happen if you use lethal weapon in confrontation with other people. Interestingly, after healing the ear of injured man, Jesus gave no explicit command to Peter how he is guilty of breaking JHVH Law or Jesus Law.

Not advice, a lesson. The other Apostles were also present when Jesus spoke, hence the talk about money bags/purse and food pouches.

YHWH's Law and Jesus Law? You do realize Jesus is a mediator of the New Covenant, the very Law of which Paul addresses in a symbolic term as the Free Woman in direct reference to Sara or did you forget the Biblical Facts addressed to you in the last discussion?

11 hours ago, Jack Ryan said:

I just saw him listed as a Co-Founder of Apple and thought to myself that since it is a TRILLION dollar company... he is probably richer than Bill Gates.

Steve Wozniak's (The Woz) Net Worth is estimated to be $100 million USD.

Check this out: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/21/why-apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-doesnt-trust-money.html and https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/21/why-apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-doesnt-trust-money.html

As for Bill Gates, I'd say he is still richer, he is sitting at a Net Worth of estimated to $97.9 billion USD.

The only riches among them I can think of is Amazon's founder, Jeff Bezos, who is having an estimated Net Worth of $161.6 billion USD.

Then we have Warren Buffet at $89.2 billion USD.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. The response was directed to @Jack Ryan. I say this because anyone who actually helps people, those of a community, with these problems take offense to that, granted when you yourself have heard the stories, the actions taken, the very fact that so and so relapsed and feel like his or her life is over, and so forth, it is a list of things. This is why I stated to look up Pillow in that community and you will see for yourself how people respond. We mustn't start with Otakus either because that is a whole other can of worms of which people, mainly Americans, bash the culture practiced by some youth in Japan, which seems to have a spilled a bit over into the US and EU, granted it is known some Otakus only do such, hence Pillow, because of their emotional and or current state as well as their self-esteem.

The very reason why I even told Ryan if he had posted this or something similar regarding a pillow, it will anger those who help people avoid masturbation and pornography, it will sadden and put more burden on those who are fighting to get away from masturbation and pornography, and by reading their experiences, even hearing them in person, it shows, and the feeling is there.

People fight with their inner demons everyday, mainly in this domain, we should be giving them a reason to let their guard down, the very reason why that community and the Reboot family exist, for they know how it is and how to handle things.

That being said, regarding that small clip you posted and what I said before to you, any contact and or touching/or simulation of the male and or female reproductive organs is sexual contact. It is considered as pornea, it is also in the same category of masturbation.

Other than that, it does it you in the feelings when you have to hear what someone who is dealing with that has to say.

But I guess soon I will make a thread regarding this in full detail and how today's society and culture in the US and EU embrace such things as if it is normal when in reality it is not.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. No money, no honey, no food on table = Going to have a bad time. For some guy's they will have that one wife that will say: "My mother was right, I should not have married you" and a whole list of other things.