Space Merchant

@Moise Racette Agreed, however, as you already know, it won't stop anyone who is in opposition to something or someone to make their own assumption and push it as a truth. The people similar to whom Witness brings up (like Ex-Bethel Marcus), as did Srecko (Grifter and Red District Adventurer Lloyd Evans), are blaming one of a JW leader, with the idea of enticing murder of infants by using clipped videos, and days after that a situation took place, and they tried to link that mental illness situation with the JW leader and push it as a truth, gain support for the Washington DC event they have planned, which will fail, as is throw anger and hatred towards the community, obviously stuff like this will influence people, and a single soul could take action, which is bad.
They already did this with the shooting in December, and they'll do the same with the shooting involving the underage boy.
So, in this sense, not only CSA is weaponized, Mental Illness, is also weaponized as well, which is sadistic in all sense.
That being said, just like CSA prevention, people with an axe to grind will not read things about mental illness, instead, they spark accusations and assume things.

@Moise Racette Agreed, however, as you already know, it won't stop anyone who is in opposition to something or someone to make their own assumption and push it as a truth. The people similar to whom Witness brings up (like Ex-Bethel Marcus), as did Srecko (Grifter and Red District Adventurer Lloyd Evans), are blaming one of a JW leader, with the idea of enticing murder of infants by using clipped videos, and days after that a situation took place, and they tried to link that mental illness situation with the JW leader and push it as a truth, gain support for the Washington DC event they have planned, which will fail, as is throw anger and hatred towards the community, obviously stuff like this will influence people, and a single soul could take action, which is bad.
They already did this with the shooting in December, and they'll do the same with the shooting involving the underage boy.
So, in this sense, not only CSA is weaponized, Mental Illness, is also weaponized as well, which is sadistic in all sense.
That being said, just like CSA prevention, people with an axe to grind will not read things about mental illness, instead, they spark accusations and assume things.

@Moise Racette Agreed, however, as you already know, it won't stop anyone who is in opposition to something or someone to make their own assumption and push it as a truth. The people similar to whom Witness brings up (like Ex-Bethel Marcus), as did Srecko (Grifter and Red District Adventurer Lloyd Evans), are blaming one of a JW leader, with the idea of enticing murder of infants by using clipped videos, and days after that a situation took place, and they tried to link that mental illness situation with the JW leader and push it as a truth, gain support for the Washington DC event they have planned, which will fail, as is throw anger and hatred towards the community, obviously stuff like this will influence people, and a single soul could take action, which is bad.
They already did this with the shooting in December, and they'll do the same with the shooting involving the underage boy.
So, in this sense, not only CSA is weaponized, Mental Illness, is also weaponized as well, which is sadistic in all sense.
That being said, just like CSA prevention, people with an axe to grind will not read things about mental illness, instead, they spark accusations and assume things.

@Space Merchant Those images. The person in the picture, who at the time was 14, is Troy "Puppeh" Wells (now 21), the person sitting behind him, also walking out with him, is 24 at the time Cinnamon "Cinnapie" Dunson (now 31), let's just say a lot of disturbing stuff and a weird love drama stuff involving others who later found out about the grooming. It isn't a surprise if there were people defending her, even a former JW because there was a lot of dudes who were attracted to her and blame people for hating women. I remember that because one of my cousins use to partake in those competitions a while back he kept texting me about this when the Nintendo company took action against those events. Time flies too, this was a while back too. But a good comparable example. 

But yeah, often times some people can be hypocritical. They also play favorites, like with something bad happens in one group, they hate and attack, but for their's, they're silent. Problems in general, people should be trying to tackle issues instead of making it worse for some people. But it is good to see some people out there who are applying things the right way.
 
@Moise Racette  Agreed, but if you think about it, some people don't really listen when others do. If you tell a crowd of a hundred people to do something very critical and you give warning, 50 will do it, the other 50 will not, anything the people who fail to listen do in a negative way causes problems. I dunno why some people firmly believe some institutions do not have warnings for some things when they do, even going as far as to take things out of context. 🤷🏾‍♂️

I was told I look like a cross between people named Rizza Islam, Jonni Shreve and investor Ron Yates. As for Morris, I remember saying to Srecko a while back, if any of the faith community's religious leaders, either steps down or passes, there will be ample speculation that will take place. I am guessing the fact you mention this, the rumors began.
That being said, I think the biggest accusation I ever got was from Yvette Felarca, who did this not only to bash the Bible, but to get people to attack me, but the irony is, some of her people assumed because of my skin tone, I was BLM and second guessed, another group I have disdain for.
I was called a Muslim for debating misconceptions about them also, so yes, I take issue with falsehoods and narratives spun in a way to demonize a person or a group. Those who spin lies often times do not expect people who are aware and speak truth of things, thus shattering the one sided narratives they profess.
Not all millennials are proactive, so to speak, most of them tend to complain about things and are often times not aware, them, and some Gen Zers are supporting things they shouldn't be supporting, let alone, some things they take action for. Which in this case, will be problematic for many, even you and your faith. Not sure if you heard what they plan on doing with God, or trying to make Jehovah out to be. Since Matthew brought up the notion of Jesus pre-existing, you'd be surprise of what they already say about Jesus. So the fact your community is preaching the gospel, you are bound to run into such folks as I have.

While the statements are agreeable as I stated, we have to keep in mind they don't have 100% surety. Having personal experience helps aid in the assessment, when it comes to intend. The reason some people will plead insanity in a commission of a crime. Law enforcement is not only cynical but cautious.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/machiavellians-gulling-the-rubes/202102/criminal-malingering-defendants-who-fake-mental-illness
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/faking-mental-illness/
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/factitious-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20356028
 

The last Space Merchant I had any dealings with, I was an international Interplanetary Transport Relief Agent, sometimes referred to as a Space Pirate. It was a great job, as I used to work with lasers and got a lot of Tang, the powdered orange drink.
But my Parrot got a bad cough, and got sucked into an air vent.

They don't and the fact they still do not do this, to this day, is mind boggling, even ignoring any notions of child abuse prevention provided. However, there are a small few, a very small number that do, but end up as enemies of the EXJW majority. In this faith community as is others, this tends to be the case because whenever you have someone who speaks with reason, they are deemed the bad guy and some how later mentioned as defending abusers, which is ridiculous. Another problem is weaponizing child abuse, the fact most EXJW proclaim the faith community is a pedophile paradise, only leads abusers, who are on places like reddit, YouTube, Facebook, etc. to look into said places to seek out more victims, this is what I talked about before, but the same suspects ignore this, Srecko, Witness, and Butler specifically because when the Facebook pedophile problem came up, he was deathly silent.
To add more fuel to the fire, some EXJWs are hypocrites, they'll shout from the rooftops about abuse, but will defend abusers themselves in other communities they care about and or outright ignore any abuse, even attacking the abused if their reasoning does not align with them.
In example, there is one who was found out to be affiliated with EXJWs via influence (Latino American) who reside in the Gaming Community in a specific genre, who defended the actions of a child groomer because the person in question was very attractive to him. I do not recall the name of the woman he defended, but in the truther community they have screenshots of the person, however they tend to blur or black out the eyes (the groomer, 24, is the one sitting behind the victim, 14, later seen walking with said victim). Other notes point to the fact she did this while in the process of being engaged to a person, who also fell victim to superficial attraction, this all took place around 2019-2020.

 
This same person later defended another of that community who was texting a minor, although the community grilled him prior to being reinstated, some, even this EXJW affiliate, defended him and said that it was something light. It was only found out he was an EXJW after people looked into his account, he subscribed to numerous EXJW channels, but after this exposure, he changed his name and picture on multiple media, even reddit. The irony is this was also mentioned to Butler, who brushed it off.
This is but 2 instances for this person. I can assure you there are some other ones that are often times bizarre and problematic compared to that example above. When you dwell in CSA prevention, you come to learn and read many things, some things very comfortable for the average reader or onlooker.
When these situations happened, the community began to turn to solutions, ideas, and practices to root out what they can, even going as far as to see if the allegations are true or not because they know, as with ALL institutions and even groups, abuse is a problem, they even noted that joking about abuse resulted in such abusers entering said communities, which can be comparable to EXJWs who joke about it also, in addition, they make it seem that religious people, even JWs, are all supporters of abuse, which is the total opposite. So, the fact that people can do these things, is actually beneficial for the community they are tied to, which contains underaged people, mainly when learning prevention, plays a key role, something of which many, even JWs know, hence the sourced quotations you mentioned.
Indeed, but the hard heads will not even consider that source or any of the one's you mention (the irony is ARC also noted these sources and articles, which EXJWs ignored), and will be against anyone who says otherwise, going as far as to send death threats. It is also the very reason why I was unable to get any video source of the guy who stopped the EXJWs in New York granted, like the 1975 video, they made sure that no one, even JWs can locate this information. The only relic of that history is from an Facebook link of the timeline itself of when it occurred. This is why them going to the US Capitol, will result in the same outcome, only this time, they'll be dealing with the political paradigm that uphold the constitution to a very high regard. when they fail, they'll blame the Watchtower.
Yes, but as we speak we do see a censorship battle going on, of which some people are hit, myself included. Often times some folks do not realize that a warpath like mentality will not only cost them, but others in the process too, and they'll be looking to blame someone. This goes into the realm of religion, as some are already making attempts to censor Bible passages and verses, so in this sense, if they seek to go and take down a faith community, the laws would end up affecting them and will cost others who are not involved. This is why people should not mess around with the political paradigm if they do not know how to navigate and or combat it, only makes things worse.

I thought about this and forgot about a Watchtower publication back in 1962. I believe someone else mentioned it here long ago. I researched it and found it.
*** w62 11/15 p. 693 par. 9 The Benefits of Subjection to Authorities ***
9 Worldly authorities render a judgment and punish persons, whether they are inside the congregation or outside, if they violate the laws of decency and good order. The violators have no right to complain at such punishment, as Paul showed by his words before Caesar’s judgment seat. (Acts 25:11) Hence the Christian congregation cannot protect any of its members if they steal, smuggle, commit bigamy, murder, libel, defraud, and so forth. The congregation must release such guilty members to punishment by worldly authorities. Since the guilty break the laws of the land and thus oppose the “authority,” they are taking a stand against God’s arrangement.
*** w62 11/15 p. 693 par. 10 The Benefits of Subjection to Authorities ***
10 The Christian congregation has no orders from God and has no right to protect such opposers and lawbreakers from the due punishment by the “authority” of the land. We cannot hinder, oppose or condemn the execution of the krima or judgment by aiding or shielding lawbreakers. To do so would put the Christian congregation also in opposition to God’s arrangement. Besides letting the krima or “judgment” take its course upon offending members who bring reproach upon God’s people, the congregation may disfellowship such lawbreakers. The congregation does not want to deserve a krima or “judgment” with the lawbreakers by siding or cooperating with them and opposing the worldly “authority.” It also wants no reproach.
The key phrase to look at is SO FORTH. Child Maltreatment, Child molestation, Child abuse has been mentioned by the Watchtower in various ways.

Indeed, however, you don't see @Witness condemning Reddit or any other institution governed by ex-witnesses. In fact, hundreds if not thousands of cases of child abuse are committed by former members. But, you don't see hypocrites complaining and advocating against those cases.
The same can be said about any other institution. A shameful human condition the Watchtower has warned against for decades.
The Watchtower's child abuse policy begins by stating: "Child abuse is abhorrent to us. This is in harmony with the principle recorded at Romans 12:9. Even one abused child is one too many. For decades The Watchtower and Awake! have featured articles to educate both Witnesses and the public regarding the importance and the need to protect children from child abuse. Among others, there was the article "Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked!" published in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower ; "Help for the Victims of Incest" in the October 1, 1983, Watchtower, "Your Child Is in Danger!", "How Can We Protect Our Children?", and "Prevention in the Home", all in the October 8, 1993, Awake!, as well as "Child Molesting—Every Mother's Nightmare," in the January 22, 1985, Awake!"
So, it doesn't matter how the Watchtower describes that condition, be it child molestation, child maltreatment, child abuse, etc. They have made society aware of it.
We'll see what the US Supreme Court says about title 230, and how they can limit people's conduct over the internet. Once that's done, the US congress will have to revisit title 230 and restructure its language, to not give immunity to website owners and posters on any website.

Just take precaution with ChatGPT, the A.I. itself was created with wokeness embedded in it's coding so some questions will not give you the answers you seek. In addition to that, people are trying to push this into every institutional branch possible once it gets big enough, as is in the realm of the MSM. Some say it would probably have a possibility to be used in place of whatever Microsoft, Google (some attest it may replace it), etc.
A.I. is beholden to those who program it.
As for the Pipeline, with everything that transpired, seems to be leaning more towards the US, which does not seem like a surprise to me because of the things they did in the past, on US soil, and in other countries, even setting up some people, including Journalists, like Serena Shim. The timing was ironic as well because Germany and Russia had some communication going on prior to this event, and everyone knows Russia paid out the ears for such a Pipeline. The fog of war that comes out of this proxy war would fool the masses, but not everyone follows fools into the MSM den.

Correct, the only case they would have is if the JWs went the ECOSOC route, since EXJWs use ECOSOC notions and swapped it with the DPI one, in addition to that they would 100% have a charter registration, which would make JWs hypocrites. That is an alternate reality EXJWs wanted, so they had to rely on a Left-Wing hit piece to push an idea. Opinions have their place, but the facts that push truth, 100% of the time, such truths destroy falsehoods.
What I do not understand is why they continue to use this when most people who can tell the difference between a DPI and ECOSOC. Wherever @Witness got that letter, she, or anyone else could have easily explained this.
Indeed, but I still do not wish for people to end up like those who listened to Ohio officials or the Syrian Christians, especially in the realm of faith.
That being said, this letter however, if no one explains anything to the creator of said letter, that tells you something. That is the dark and tricky thing with people who have agendas as well.

Among my favorite sayings as a debater myself. I like this one personally - When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

Space Merchant:
To directly answer your question.
I am 76 years old (in “people years”) and have a great deal of experience dealing with, and enduring “superfine mensatype theocratic bullies”. Moise is, and always has been a bully, and he cannot STAND it that I know …. as he also has enough experience and insight to know that I know.
…., viewed through the “Leave it to Beaver” Eddie Haskell lens … I find his ad homonym attacks, from whatever hydra head by whatever name he pops up from the whack-a-mole hole to insult, bully, and attempt to libel and demean others to be consistently and pathetically funny.… and he knows this.
That is why I am the prime target of his ire.
But hey …. That’s Entertainment!

If it gets to the level Butler got it to as seen before (wiping out numerous threads at once), probably Admin would respond. But it is unlikely he'll see @AnnaNana as a problem, mainly due to the fact most of the JWs are in a different part of the forums now rather than here and not a whole lot of debate is taking place here. Anna, the other one, did mention there are various conversations going about not mentioned here. The other admin, The Librarian, I assume is female, is more prone to giving warning, which in one situation she gave warning to both Srecko and Witness, who were literally twisting things (a norm for them) and using threads as launching pads, the warning was direct.
One thing I do recall is through Butler's crying, Admin himself did say that it is one of those reasons he does not like getting involved and when he does, the outcome of what Butler did was no more. This is why when he came on here as 4Jah2me and his other alias, I remind him to chill in that regard. But what he said to someone far younger than him was totally uncalled for. I do not see @AnnaNana doing something like that.

Again with these narratives... The Watchtower was never a member of the United Nations whatsoever because no charter of registration EVER existed at all (such information is unfounded because it never existed). The Guardian, which is part of the MSM is known for making such stories in regards to faiths they do not agree with vs those they are in favor of, this is the same Guardian has been warmongering since the day the US went into Afghanistan when the towers were hit alongside the Pentagon. This is absolute fact granted, us Truthers see the UN as a legitimate threat and know how they operate and the like, as is with the MSM.
The NWT seems to only be deemed inaccuracy by KJV-Onlyist who do not realize Westcott & Hort. Mainly if you understand Strong's Concordances, and roots in the Hebrew or Greek language at a basic sense.
As for ARC, it isn't that shocking when you actually went into the whole thing from start to finish. Especially Case Study 29, mainly in the case of incest. Surprisingly, people actually woke up to what was really said in ARC vs those who make their own commentary and misapply what is true and what is false. In ARC, one person in particular was not even mentioned by EXJWs, and that person is Professor Holly Folk, who attested to the fact that at least 380+ allegations regarding CSA had been reported to the police at the time they had happened, and among them many convictions in the 100+. So the notion that information was hidden from law enforcement, according to EXJWs, was proven to be untrue.
That being said, for a community of folks who hang out with each other, it would be wise to actually show them what is true and what is false. The fact the UN was roped into this when that notion was 100% false shows there is a deliberate action to accept falsehood while claiming to be of Christ. It makes no sense, and it is somewhat of disrespect those who are very confrontation with the United Nations.
 
 
Do not fool your flock. Like I said, you do not have to agree with your former faith, but do not attest to falsehoods and preach it as a truth, that in of itself is something Christians should avoid. This is why you have to really be careful to be a Christian who adheres to the such, even the MSM of all entities, concerning such delusions - Psalm 109:2-4; Matthew 16:6; Romans 16:17-18.

Note sure about privileges, but the fact that this is an open forum, anything goes. This place was Controversial Posts after all. Plus, this is the only area where there is more traffic. There are indeed some rulings of which if crossed, some users, on any forum, might run into problems, this excludes disgruntled mods or admins who would outright take someone out out of personally feeling, which isn't the case here.
Admin himself allows the forums to be open to anyone. The only time I saw him take issue with someone was when John Butler went a little too far when debating a teenager, and immediately started to cry about it when Admin actually stepped in. Other than that, he has no affiliation, not sure what his faith is, and he hangs out in the home portion of the forums.
Meanwhile, the Jehovah's Witnesses have a club of their own because it does get hectic on this side of the forums, essentially, while they are indoors, they see people outside, this club/forum, fighting in the streets. then there is @Pudgy for comical relief, but not sure why he is the focus here when you are dealing with @AnnaNana.

Probably this guy finally got to Fauci - 

 
All and all, throughout the Endemic, surprised they did not call it that yet, there was a lot of craziness. With anything health related, people who assume otherwise were branded as a second tier class, the unvaccinated and or deemed anti-vaxxer during the ordeal, and on top of that, it was never promoted for people to be active, to eat healthy when you can and take in Vitamin C, D (preferably D3, with K if you can), as well as Zinc instead, a lot of junk and processed foods, free donuts for a jab, etc. There may be a few, like in Florida, but the majority, has not promoted such to Americans, as is, people elsewhere.
One person I debated a while back use to be very average, somewhat skinny, but today, in the year 2023, seeing this guy, he is dangerously overweight and near obesity, apparently not only I had to debate him on why Gnosticism isn't sound, I also had to debate him on his idea of fat acceptance.
I understand depending on laws and some states, some who actually need it like those who are elderly and or anyone okayed by their doctor, if they want to go down that route, for any medical choice is their decision, but the whole mandate situation which was foreseen to come by some, was very problematic and often times binding on some folks, and caused a lot of division.
COVID-19 will not go away despite what the White House says, and no one would go further into it's origin to really shut it down. Aside from that, COVID-19 might be overshadowed by various viruses mentioned over the months, such as the viruses brought forth by some in the field, then you have H5N1, which is stated it can really do some damage for some folks if not careful. Although talked about it, no information on how it is spreading, or if it even is, something I will have to research on when I have time.

Just take precaution with ChatGPT, the A.I. itself was created with wokeness embedded in it's coding so some questions will not give you the answers you seek. In addition to that, people are trying to push this into every institutional branch possible once it gets big enough, as is in the realm of the MSM. Some say it would probably have a possibility to be used in place of whatever Microsoft, Google (some attest it may replace it), etc.
A.I. is beholden to those who program it.
As for the Pipeline, with everything that transpired, seems to be leaning more towards the US, which does not seem like a surprise to me because of the things they did in the past, on US soil, and in other countries, even setting up some people, including Journalists, like Serena Shim. The timing was ironic as well because Germany and Russia had some communication going on prior to this event, and everyone knows Russia paid out the ears for such a Pipeline. The fog of war that comes out of this proxy war would fool the masses, but not everyone follows fools into the MSM den.

@Moise Racette Indeed, as for the Constitution, the only entities that have their eyes on it is the ACLU and the United Nations. No doubt some people in government also, but those are the only two that had attempted to make some moves specifically against the first and second amendment. In the censorship battle of things, their underlings tend to be winning, even recently with something breaking yesterday evening.
All and all, this instance will be the same as it was years ago. Build up for the day, people realizing it can be a problem and speak against, cast out by fellow EXJWs, when the action does take place, tomfoolery ensues and should someone attempt to stop it, they blame JWs, but if it is one of them, then death threats. The risk of breaking chapter 13 and infiltrating and disrupting a religious gathering, will be followed with heavy backlash by not just some among them, by people in the area who do not like such activity.
they become predictable in terms of their evolution. Meanwhile, Trinitarians and atheists who "support and grift off of them" sit back and kick their feet up to watch the show, as long as they are not involved, the consequence falls on the latter instead of them.

@Moise Racette Indeed, as for the Constitution, the only entities that have their eyes on it is the ACLU and the United Nations. No doubt some people in government also, but those are the only two that had attempted to make some moves specifically against the first and second amendment. In the censorship battle of things, their underlings tend to be winning, even recently with something breaking yesterday evening.
All and all, this instance will be the same as it was years ago. Build up for the day, people realizing it can be a problem and speak against, cast out by fellow EXJWs, when the action does take place, tomfoolery ensues and should someone attempt to stop it, they blame JWs, but if it is one of them, then death threats. The risk of breaking chapter 13 and infiltrating and disrupting a religious gathering, will be followed with heavy backlash by not just some among them, by people in the area who do not like such activity.
they become predictable in terms of their evolution. Meanwhile, Trinitarians and atheists who "support and grift off of them" sit back and kick their feet up to watch the show, as long as they are not involved, the consequence falls on the latter instead of them.

Bear in mind, this extends to the outside world way of thinking as well. It's not inclusive of Christendom, or any other religion. I know some that have been rejected by their family not for being Catholic but for being gay. Remember, Catholics are becoming more acceptable to homosexuality. However, TRADITION to some doesn't outweigh that determination. That's when society has to deal with new values versus old values of morality. 
When it comes to witnesses, each family unit makes a determination on how to best deal with their own circumstance.
When Grace was as young as I, she became a fornicator, and was D'fd. However, she was a server at a deli where I went to get lunch. Was I forbidden to speak to Grace? NO!! We treated each other as a customer and employee of a business. It had nothing to do with religion. Was the Watchtower preventing me from entering a business I enjoyed lunch in? NO!!
Once again, that shunning nonsense is exaggerated as you point out.
Yes! There is a big difference between apostates trying to discredit a religion's bylaws with intent to cause harm by defamation. The age-old discussion of, can a person yell fire on a movie theater when there is none get away, without consequences, comes to mind.
When it comes to true believers, I would say NO! There are some that have become disgruntled and nonconformist that call themselves witnesses. We can see several examples here. I call those spies.
Even when the argument of charlatan was lobbied at Pastor Russell, they couldn't prove it. However, thus far, they haven't as you state. Perhaps when Satan interferes like he did when he had Bro Rutherford imprisoned on a false claim by the Catholic Church, it will.
The US would have to rewrite the constitution in order for that to happen. That doesn't mean the people vs Christianity won't be at the forefront. That will be the cause.
Meantime, in at least the US, courts are becoming more aware of apostate lies that implicate them. Usually, the higher courts side with the Watchtower after all said and done.

The best thing to learn about the apostles is that they obeyed Christ's instruction and God's commands without trying to discredit the word of God in any way or misrepresent them to benefit themselves. Even when they spoke to the opposition.

It reminds me of the China chimera situation, some people tend to play God, in this sense.

@TrueTomHarley And to that perhaps we may never know.
But in all seriousness however, the King of the North and South, their actions will ultimately result in a lot of people being fooled by them in the process, we already seeing this with the events leading up to the proxy war in Ukraine. Allies on both sides under the UN banner, have shifted. In example, Saudi Arabia, was with the US for some time pre-Syria situation concerning Bashar al-Assad, then when the world sees what is happening in this proxy war, including them, they changed sides, mainly due to the gas and energy notions of this situation.
Western allies are draining their resources day by day as the common man suffers while at the same time telling the people it is fine, when it is not. Recently tension in the Middle East and a mass eruption in the United Kingdom, concerning the British, it was predictable.
For the religious, it'll be Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness type of deal, but on the hardest difficultly.
Speaking about the United Nations and Babylon, as the days and months gone by, not a whole lot of people pay attention to their movements in order to even put Proverbs 22:3 into application along with other events.