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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Isabella in Will Smith Slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars   
    An attack by a man who is sensitive. For if he truly felt the need to do so, he would not have been laughing at the joke itself prior. Namely towards a comedian of whom joked about the person in question in the past; in his presence.
    That being said, Hollywood is Hollywood. Often times, a distraction to serious things taking place.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Mic Drop in Will Smith Slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars   
    An attack by a man who is sensitive. For if he truly felt the need to do so, he would not have been laughing at the joke itself prior. Namely towards a comedian of whom joked about the person in question in the past; in his presence.
    That being said, Hollywood is Hollywood. Often times, a distraction to serious things taking place.
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    Space Merchant reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Fatter heads are not necessarily smarter.
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    Space Merchant reacted to Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Well, the proof of that, are in the proven facts about the Australian government and the ARC court. However, when it comes to CSA, you had an entire city in the U.K. try to hide facts about child abuse to those that were investigating certain allegations. That means, the entire city government was involved, and it was proven. I can't begin to explain the child abuse in Canada with their government run orphanages. Yet, these countries, Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, are the most critical against the Watchtower. That just means those countries are hypocrites when it comes to not allowing investigators to look into their enteral problems.
    Glad you see the truth correctly. Unfortunately, you can't force people, especially here, to see that truth.
    Glad to see you are welling.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    He most likely is, granted this verse was used several times in regards to him. This verse is also why it is focused on when it comes to debating misinformation and falsehoods even against paradigms.
    The verse that was used against @Srecko Sostar previously as of recent, even now concerning Mainstream ideas, as is his remark of Chloe whereas there was no evidence of Chloe somehow being the head or held leadership of the Church of Corinth. Such things of which can be seen deemed as errors or misinformed ideas, an Exegesis that is not Scripturally sound.

    1 John 4:1 is a strong verse, even when use to test and challenge someone, namely who has a false and or lost spirit, as is in regards to those who claim to be of inspiration where the accusation of False Prophet can be cited if such a person is exposed. Apostle John conveyed here that one must test what is taught in Scripture, a ruling of which is good for Christians to adhere to if they understood what the verse means. To an extent, Bible alludes to this as well by means of references, hence 2 Cor. 13:10, 11, as is any verse pertaining to what it means to be Berean like, hence the reflecting words of Acts 17.

    If someone's statement and or remarks comes into the realm of what is true and what is false, it is critical to discern what is being conveyed, so one does not accidentally accept something that isn't of core teachings or of God's Laws. Especially if what is being conveyed is not in harmony with God's Word, as is anything pertaining to it, historically even, when it comes to people, places and things, etc.

    Therefore, when it comes to things said, be it claims, narratives and or allegations, it is to be called out, if there is something in regard to the Church and of God that is in err of which is not core, it will be called out, more so, it will also reveal the spirit of the very person who conveys such messages. Often times, such with a tainted spirit will commit to slander, insults and accusations upon those who revealed their taint.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    That is true, as well as the fact even the government cannot govern themselves. If they had to use God's Word, at times, they'll do so incorrectly. But granted of how man's law is, as is the recent situations mentioned, it is a double-edged sword which can prove to cause more problems for anyone, even concerning CSA. In some instances, a modern influence also plays into this factor too whereas those of some form of status are usually let go Scott-free and or receive a light punishment.
    A broken system. This is why the people who are aware must teach and give warning because the dangers are real and serious.
    Exactly, a level of bystander syndrome. This also goes for those of domestic abuse.
    Moreover, the culture concerning Police has changed in which people deem them the enemy because of a few bad Individuals, for instance, the case of Daniel Holtzclaw, and his actions in the black community and how it concluded. Then you have groups of the political paradigm that makes the situation with police even worse whereas things like CHAZ was created whereas crime, rape, violence and a list of other things took place, so much so EMTs were afraid to even help a teen who is bleeding out due to those in CHAZ who view the police. Hence a creation of Fear for Law Enforcement whereas it creates problems, even good cops forced to resign and or end up getting killed in action.
    I have many times and those who speak of CSA don't take action, but I guess the next time CSA is brought up, I might just update my thread concerning CSA and teaching children. Granted it benefited the visitors before, it is would be a good thing to bring it up again. But as of recent, I am looking for the video and information of what I told @Equivocation, even @Patiently waiting for Truth. If I can find it, or whatever is left of it, I can add that to my update.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Agreed, and concerning child services, they are not too kind to orphaned children also. the culture of police fear results in the good cop being obscure to people, for, if a police shows up, the idea of such culture will get the best of people, and they focus primarily on the bad and never the good. But this is true, race plays a role also, granted in the Black and Latino community, the influence of police fear is massive, and concerning this, the MSM isn't too far behind to manipulate the situation, example, the shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant.
    Moreover, other that anything of Mainstream, I deal with Pro-Black groups with their hypocrisy, who ultimately make matters worse by taking things out of context, fueling more hate not only towards police, but towards people who are not black, primarily Asian and White Individuals. A primary example is dealing with followers of a man named Phillip Scott, in which he tried to aid the community, but at the same time, use remarks to cause hate against others - twisting information. Hence the added disdain I have for the Leftist paradigm.
    Likewise with the FBI whereas they may be good at statistics, but they are not immune themselves, concerning CSA, they have an issue, which also proves to the case that no one is immune to CSA and things pertaining to it, as is US military and their allies.
    This is why it is vital for the household to protect their children by means of teaching them, as is a community of the same mindset because as you said, there are vile people out there. Not only we need to apply these solutions, but even JWs themselves, for bystander syndrome is so great among the general public.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Reading is the action or skill of reading written or printed matter silently or aloud, moreover, an occasion at which poetry or other pieces of literature are read aloud to an audience. Something of which the Bible has.
    The Bible is clear as seen in the verse below of which is in the Old and New Law
    Joshua 1:8 - This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
    If one adheres to God's Word, we are not only to pray, to preach the gospel, but we must read the Word also. The same way you consume food and water daily, likewise we do the same when it comes to the Holy Book itself. Not only we read, but we meditate of it, observe it, so much so it can be equated to something like that of Shema Yisreal of which Jesus and the Jews adhered to in their youth into adulthood. Some can read one or a few verses, others, a few chapters, some several chapters in the day, etc. Be it a single verse to read, meditate and observe vs several chapters, you take in the daily bread of which the Lord provides. People also make time and or find time to do so, to others before bed and or as soon as they wake up, some even have the alternative of audio, but still, you have to pay attention to observe what you are hearing. Do follow God and apply his examples, likewise with the Christ and his followers, we must do this, and in doing so, we build faith, in doing so, we pave a path for salvation, as is on top of that it is understanding, comprehension, and context.
    The Mainstream teaches simply to accept Christ and that is it, suddenly you are saved, but it is more than that.
    As for the latter remark, the evidence can be seen in nearly all Biblical discussions, even the ones of which when it is Bible based only, you wanted to bring in the Watchtower constantly, which was the case in the linked debate of which you were involved - The very reason I cited Abraham and Chloe to begin with, even Prophetess Deborah.
    You were told this several times actually, to read your Bible.
    Well the Bible is clear on what you must do.
    What is stopping you from reading simply one verse, or part of it?
    That excuse can work with anyone here, but when you have to answer for that in front of the White Throne, before God himself, during a situation where time has ran out, you can't make excuses against one who is of high Sovereignty.
    That being said, I do so from memory as well, but I still read, as is what is written for a follower of God, even Christians, are to do. 
    Reading one verse, in the Bible, then mediating on it, even observe it, is not difficult. You can simply pick a verse or two and meditate it for a span of a day or a few days until you understand the context fully.
    This is why concerning Abraham, Chloe and Deborah, if you actually read for context, your remarks in regard to them would be extremely different, even in this case, Apostle John.
    Unfortunately, the claims are true, in the debates and in the cases made when I told you the following.
     
      
    Granted there was a reason as to why this was said, hence claim.
    I do not use opinions, so the fact you keep saying that is getting rather old. An opinion can't be verified, but what you said about the mentioned figures in the Bible, can be shown with absolute fact, I already mentioned your remarks of Chloe and Deborah, I can do the same with Abraham.
    I leave the below to remind you the difference.
      
     
    If I had to make an opinion, I would simply say, I do not believe you read the Bible, and in that case, I would not really have any evidence against you, but that is simply fiction, granted, you provided ample evidence on why such is said about you, and now, your excuse of not reading God's Word.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Agreed, and concerning child services, they are not too kind to orphaned children also. the culture of police fear results in the good cop being obscure to people, for, if a police shows up, the idea of such culture will get the best of people, and they focus primarily on the bad and never the good. But this is true, race plays a role also, granted in the Black and Latino community, the influence of police fear is massive, and concerning this, the MSM isn't too far behind to manipulate the situation, example, the shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant.
    Moreover, other that anything of Mainstream, I deal with Pro-Black groups with their hypocrisy, who ultimately make matters worse by taking things out of context, fueling more hate not only towards police, but towards people who are not black, primarily Asian and White Individuals. A primary example is dealing with followers of a man named Phillip Scott, in which he tried to aid the community, but at the same time, use remarks to cause hate against others - twisting information. Hence the added disdain I have for the Leftist paradigm.
    Likewise with the FBI whereas they may be good at statistics, but they are not immune themselves, concerning CSA, they have an issue, which also proves to the case that no one is immune to CSA and things pertaining to it, as is US military and their allies.
    This is why it is vital for the household to protect their children by means of teaching them, as is a community of the same mindset because as you said, there are vile people out there. Not only we need to apply these solutions, but even JWs themselves, for bystander syndrome is so great among the general public.
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    Space Merchant reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Very true, unfortunately child services have also become predatory.... because the privatized institutions get funded by the government and are profit driven. (This is another very dark scenario). Calling Police (to the average person) is a frightning prospect because a bad policeman can be the beginning of a frightening nightmare. The FBI is tenfold worse.  Citizens do not know how to hold them legally to order if they break the law themselves. Race may also be an issue. A lot of what goes on is just raw display and use if power. 
    We have human laws but they are not enforced in a loving way..... and are not fair to all.  Most JWs also do not know how to act when an elder has overstepped the mark. Bottom line: injustice can happen anywhere and all humans are vulnerable to mild or hardened predators and all degrees of injustice.  One is just fortunate if something really bad has not happened to you. 
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    Space Merchant reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I wish I could triple upvote Arauna’s last comment!
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I don't use opinions.
    Facts can be verified, opinions cannot. Not once have I ever used an opinion here at all, for if I had, you'd quote it. The facts and evidence shown derives from context and Biblical hermeneutics.
    God's Order has not changed at all, even concerning widows, the Bible is very clear on said structure concerning the union of people in the Church, Body of the Christ.
    The Bible makes it clear who the head is concerning God’s Order in regards to the church as is the family.
    Granted the Men and Women are of the body of Christ, they, as is the head, cannot function on its own. It is as dependent on the rest of the body as the body is on the head. God is careful to define headship by comparing it to Christ and the Church. That headship role is best fulfilled by those in that order of which Paul had conveyed correctly in Scripture.
    The Traditions Paul was referring to is instructions of which was passed down, put into practices for others to follow. These Traditions were properly acceptable concerning true worship, hence the reference for the verse, which is 2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6. An example of this is the Lord's Meal, which is something acceptable to Christians, something of which we are to follow, then you have the opposite, hence Mathew 15:2, 3; Mark 7:3 and various references.

    You should be looking for context concerning what Paul said, do not interject something without understanding what he was referring to.
    Another verse of which you do not understand. You do realize as to what head coverings is in relation to?
    Verse 16 is in regards to God's Order concerning headship and subjection, it was pretty clear in the pervious verses, as is what came forth in the following. Paul also went on to convey woman with long hair as is what that entails concerning her position vs that of a man, hence why head coverings were a thing in the early church, for concerning women when it comes to praying, etc. This action is continued in the early church, even before Christianity, the Prophetesses of old, took this into account, such as the likes of Deborah and Anna.
    The JWs doing this is no issue as to those who understands the full context of Paul's Word. What you are attesting to is cherry picking and breaking away of what was already applied in practice.
    Men and Women are members in the Body of Christ, be it earthly or heavenly, God's Order has not changed, nor did God himself change.
    As we all can see, you are interjecting your own Exegesis into the passage, this passage was brought up in our last discussion concerning this and you were corrected.
    This is concerning the Chosen, not of God's Order of which Paul addressed. As said before, it does not change what God put in place.
    Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with JWs, it has to do with what Paul said as is what was written - literally in the opening of 1 Corinthians 11, as it being noted even referenced many times in Paul's other Epistles, even tracing back to what the Order God put in place concerning the creation of Adam, and later, Eve.
    No one can change. Not even you.
    It is not about saying, it is about context, of which you are ignoring, when you read the Bible, you study it, you observe it, understand the context of what a verse or a passage entails, to go around, with your own Exegesis is a dire call back to what Paul stated in Galatians 1:1-11.
    There is no distinction. Men and women are in union in the church, but the roles are different despite being of that Body. Equal in faith, but in role and operation, many differences, even in a biological sense.
    Women can teach, to prophesy the Messianic Age that is to come by means of the good news gospel, even with the spirit, however, they cannot lead in regard to Religious Office. If that was the case, you'd see that in context in the Scriptures, primarily the Greek Text.
    There are Prophetesses, and there are women who are Ministers, there are no leaders ever mentioned that are women. Paul even mentions some, therefore, as what is written about the early church, people such  as Prisca, Euodia, Syntyche, Phoebe, Persis, Apphia, etc. All of them are Ministers, Preachers so to speak, of high regard.
    She does, but the head of a woman is still a man. Likewise, to the head of a man being the Christ of whom all are under, and above all, is God.
    The Order has not changed, and it seems you are leaning on the modern view of submission, something of which even some JWs are guilty of.
    What you assume, is not of what the Bible entails.
    Yet concerning God's Order of which Paul conveys, regardless if the woman is chosen or not is clear.
    Apostle Paul focuses and concludes on the primary headship of God, the Head of Christ, as is the headship of the man over the woman, an Order of which is maintained and upheld in the early Christian Church. For the woman recognizes that the Most High is the one who ordained headship of man, hence the notion of head coverings by wearing a head coverings, as is roles.
    There isn't anything anyone can do to change that.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Regarding the situation with 1914, the Pastor of Bible Students never made claim to being a Prophet Inspired. So much so Reslight, who studied the Bible Students, being one himself, gave ample information on this matter, as did the people of CSE and to credit, even the successor of bible Students, the Jehovah's Witnesses. Moreover, you have those who dabble in history.
    Therefore, it would have been a problem 100% if he did claim inspiration of that magnitude.
    We know God talks to his people, even helps them, but the fact he offered specific gifts was for a reason. Your other assertion is irrelevant.
    Everyone knows that, but he did more than the notion of Repentance. If you knew as to why he baptized people in the Jordan River, you'd realize the major reason behind it, it was not only concerning Repentance.
    They did, which is known, but their gifts are no more, hence the history after 100AD.
     
    That being said, now I know why the defense of the Mainstream belief other than the Unisex one. Because Pearl Doxsey herself claims to have miraculous gifts to produce Visions. For instance, the mention of being taken by angels on flight, Angelic Guides... So much so her Acolytes, even attested to this too, comparing her to legitimate Inspired Prophets example below:

    And now the cracks of the armor, is seen. For Pearl, noted several times of having various visions, even so, attempted to share it with Jehovah's Witnesses.
    If anything we see the fulfillment of many of the inspired visions of old, we do not produce them ourselves, nor God gives them today granted the purpose of such was already established.
     
    As for you my dog loving friend, @Pudgy as you can see, the reason for the defense:

    Claim of inspiration in this regard, to have such abilities, I do not think the latter or her friends can defend this. But granted this was found, of which was of her own design, now we understand the ideas of Pearl.
    Constantine the Great, The Ghost of Fátima, Ozman etc. and now this.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    This is what I said when it came to being spirit led.
    Granted your faith community go house to house, the latter of which I speak is rare concerning your faith. If out and about in a debate situation you will see many.
    It would not be a surprise if that was the case. Constantine was the primary one concerning Christianity. However, there had been others after that. Examples like people seeing a ghostly version of the Christ, or of Mary, some attest to seeing visions of an apparition emerging from an idol of Mary weeping, to others, something conjured up with a statue of Christ on a Cross. Outlandish things. The one I often see a lot is Fatima situation for people assume such an event to be a great one, not realizing this is something bad, possibly demonic, granted this is a call back as to why my Father did what he did.
    Here is an example, possibly sometime before Bible Students - Agnes Ozman spoken of to have spoken in tongues, which was claimed.
    Well of course, Srecko knew what he did try and fool people not realizing he fooled himself. Cedar is quite miniscule and irrelevant, just like David Wood. Other then that the Pastor is not favorable towards women and sees them for only one function, nor does he believe that they can be Ministers when the Bible has examples.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Then why make an assumption? Wouldn't it be best to know what Unitarian you are referring to?
    that being said, having Biblical  knowledge enables me to not adhere to the Unisex idea of which you preach as a truth. It is not of the early church, nor is it from the Bible. Likewise with the miraculous gifts.
    That being said, there is no way be it you, or myself can speak in tongues, left alone go raise someone back to life like those of old.
    Preacher is a Biblical term, not a label. Do not confuse the notions. A Preacher is rooted from a Minister [diakonos (διάκονος)] as well as rooted from Herald [kérux (κῆρυξ)], which is linked with Minister, one of whom who a person proclaims the Message of God, speaks truth, etc. Most importantly, they speak the good news gospel of the Messianic Age of the things to come, they adhere to and respect the Great Commission. Aside from that a Preacher and or Minister teaches people about God from the Bible itself, in addition to maintaining a moral stance, and examples of which can be applied in today's age; give lessons to people so they can learn, apply, in turn teach to others, for not only this examples spreads, it also spreads applying God's qualities of which the Christ applied, likewise with the Fruit of the Spirit.
    My own labeling? @Witness are you aware of what a Preacher is? Ironic, for this is common knowledge, perhaps the term Christian would be confusing if brought up also.
    I call out falsehood and misinformation, this is something I am akin to doing all the time.
    You need to see that the Unisex idea is NOT of the Bible or of God. The fact you are defending it speaks volume.
    For someone who told me once you knew Strong's, I can't help but say this was quite the fail, on your part.
    https://biblehub.com/greek/2783.htm https://biblehub.com/greek/1249.htm Anymore remarks, Witness?
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    She is a misguided Christian who is shown to lean towards Mainstream ideas without realizing it.
    For this I can say everyone is correct concerning Pentecost 33AD, even the likes of @Patiently waiting for Truth granted these gifts essentially began by means of the spirit however, they somehow believe that after Apostle John that these miraculous gifts continued afterwards, like prophesying to predict or have visions.
    I asked myself, many times, yet none of them can produce.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is clear you do not understand the context of Paul's Words, granted of what was quoted to you before. Prophesying in regards to predict by means of visons had ceased. Along with tongues, the knowledge noted in the passage. This knowledge is by means of the holy spirit of which majority of Christian had in the 1st century, even around during and after Pentecost 33AD. It is in association with miraculous gifts, granted these gifts have ceased because they played a particular role in redemptive history in accrediting the ministry, during that time, it never continued afterwards. Sprit Led ones are capable of prophesying, but primarily of the gospel message, coming of the Messianic Age, etc. not of visions and or similar.
    I don't mislead, so please spare yourself of accusations.
    That being said, there is a reason as to why the 1st century is noted as the Apostolic Age (33AD - 100AD)
    And? Paul and John were still alive during that time, the purpose the Apostle and those with such gifts were active until the the near of the 1st century. More so, they had partial knowledge. You are not understanding nothing of what Paul is saying.
    Prophesying in terms of predict by means of visions and or similar miraculous gifts - Yes.
    Hence the difference
    An inspired prophet possesses the miraculous gift of prophesy, inspired and infallible utterance and predictions, as proof they are having the Holy Spirit. A normal, Spirit led Prophet who is clearly not inspired and not infallible have the gifts of the spirit regarding prophesying. It served it's purpose when the the Christian was starting up, and ended around the near end of the 1st century, around that same timeframe, Apostle John, the last Apostle, had passed.
    He literally says it in the verse you quoted.
    Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
    40AD-60AD was still the 1st century, so the miraculous gifts persisted still, but evidently, it came to an end. For in that time, not only the people were convinced by the words of the Apostles, but the gifts of what the spirit gave, to push people in the direction of the Christ.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    For someone who claims to read the Bible, it is wild to see that it shows you do not understand a single thing Apostle Paul attests to concerning God's Order.
    Then again, you were the same man who spoke ill of Abraham as is making a silly assertion of the Church of Corinth.
    That being said, a man who does not do a single thing to build is faith is just worse off as those in the Mainstream.
    The Bible clearly teaches that God is a God of order. For God is not a God of disorder (1 Corinthians 14:33). This verse is part of a rebuke of the Corinthian church of which Apostle Paul was addressing. 1 Corinthians is, in part, a letter outlining proper conduct in the worship of God concerning various things. Paul bases the command for order in the church itself on the fact that God Himself is a God of order, and he did this in a way to upbuild those of the church, men and women, Jews and Gentiles. As pointed out, as in regard to understanding Prophet Malachi, God does not change, but God is of complete order (Malachi 3:6).
    Since God is a God of order, we as Christians, should be too. Since we are in the likeness of God, we are to think in his orderly ways and apply his Word, as is qualities. To be of reason. The more like him we become, the more orderly our lives will be because He is a God of order.
    For Paul understands this, a Prophet Inspired, however you, as is @Witness are appealing to something entirely different here. This is where the both of you should be very careful, for if you do not read for context or know the inner workings of how the church adheres to God's Word and operate, it will only be a problem for you when it comes to those who do, as in, this case. Essentially a repeat of the last debate.
    For no one, not even JWs would be this gullible to the Unisex Teaching.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Dmitar
    Well not of the legal system, the solutions, even the ones based on biblical means. The problem is not everyone seems to follow or apply it, hence the influence gained in regard to CSA, which reaps reaction. But knowing the functions of a legal system also helps too, however, it is a double-edged sword.
    True, however, I recall @Equivocation talking about CSA only for @Srecko Sostar to brush it off, as he did to me in the past. In @Equivocation's case, it was a school club of some sort that talked about such issues. I believe there was a survivor of domestic abuse on this forum too who spoke her case, but just like what Srecko did to Equivo, @Witness did the same to the person in question.
    Even so when they have a platform of which they go to, they never address such things or be grounded.
    As for the last remark, also true, people tend to not know how the law works, as for calling the police, among the solutions parents, guardians and or relatives can do this also, for CSA prevention is aware that some people do not want to get involved in such things and will encourage, not all of them, but some, mainly if they are not equipped to handle the situation. I told @Patiently waiting for Truth this many times, depending on whatever JW Elder, some are equipped, some or not. If he wants results, he can go to a Swahili JW Church. What CSA prevention provided, also ignored.
    That being said, granted you have people, especially in the EXJW community, scrubbing vital information, it shows that the regard for CSA has shifted, for if a man tells vital info on the issue and the group goes out of their way to erase such information, then you see the big problem. And from there, not only misinformation is spread to cloud CSA issues, but CSA is often times weaponized, hence, something common in the US and UK to weaponize various things against someone or something. There was also a situation with one EXJW a Truther found, and this EXJW was shown to defend a female pedophile and child groomer who was in the gaming community, after being exposed, the person in question deactivated their social accounts and left reddit. An example that shows even among them, that is a problem.
    For in the end no group is immune to CSA, even the paradigm, but one paradigm is already making it difficult as of 2022 whereas children risk is higher and frequent.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Patiently waiting for Truth Granted you were in that thread as is what you said about CSA, what I said pertained to the events of the Warwick protest, of which @Equivocation's JW church was targeted.
    So I will brief with this one as to why the CSA issue will continue to be a problem
    It is evident it is more than dealing with CSA concerning such focus, it is about wanting to take down the faith community itself, all of the Watchtower in general. It was speculated that someone of the community wanted to get then President of the Unites States, Donald J. Trump, as is thinking to manipulate the First Amendment to deem JWs as a cult, and to use that as a justification to effectively end the faith.
    Concerning what Peter did, the JW leaders were called to challenge in the park whereas threats of harm, even perhaps killing them was noted, so the disgruntled of this level are not afraid to get their hands dirty, and it would not be surprising if they entice, trick political protesters to whom JWs and their leaders were opposition that the need for violence is to be pushed on to them.
    This is why what I said in the past is very clear.
      
    You should know how crazy that is.
    That being said, there are several ill minded crusades, concerning the JWs, this is one of many, some in particular I rather not speak of on this forum granted how sensitive it is, as is graphic.
    It is better to rely on solutions then to be influenced by such things.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I don't use opinions.
    Facts can be verified, opinions cannot. Not once have I ever used an opinion here at all, for if I had, you'd quote it. The facts and evidence shown derives from context and Biblical hermeneutics.
    God's Order has not changed at all, even concerning widows, the Bible is very clear on said structure concerning the union of people in the Church, Body of the Christ.
    The Bible makes it clear who the head is concerning God’s Order in regards to the church as is the family.
    Granted the Men and Women are of the body of Christ, they, as is the head, cannot function on its own. It is as dependent on the rest of the body as the body is on the head. God is careful to define headship by comparing it to Christ and the Church. That headship role is best fulfilled by those in that order of which Paul had conveyed correctly in Scripture.
    The Traditions Paul was referring to is instructions of which was passed down, put into practices for others to follow. These Traditions were properly acceptable concerning true worship, hence the reference for the verse, which is 2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6. An example of this is the Lord's Meal, which is something acceptable to Christians, something of which we are to follow, then you have the opposite, hence Mathew 15:2, 3; Mark 7:3 and various references.

    You should be looking for context concerning what Paul said, do not interject something without understanding what he was referring to.
    Another verse of which you do not understand. You do realize as to what head coverings is in relation to?
    Verse 16 is in regards to God's Order concerning headship and subjection, it was pretty clear in the pervious verses, as is what came forth in the following. Paul also went on to convey woman with long hair as is what that entails concerning her position vs that of a man, hence why head coverings were a thing in the early church, for concerning women when it comes to praying, etc. This action is continued in the early church, even before Christianity, the Prophetesses of old, took this into account, such as the likes of Deborah and Anna.
    The JWs doing this is no issue as to those who understands the full context of Paul's Word. What you are attesting to is cherry picking and breaking away of what was already applied in practice.
    Men and Women are members in the Body of Christ, be it earthly or heavenly, God's Order has not changed, nor did God himself change.
    As we all can see, you are interjecting your own Exegesis into the passage, this passage was brought up in our last discussion concerning this and you were corrected.
    This is concerning the Chosen, not of God's Order of which Paul addressed. As said before, it does not change what God put in place.
    Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with JWs, it has to do with what Paul said as is what was written - literally in the opening of 1 Corinthians 11, as it being noted even referenced many times in Paul's other Epistles, even tracing back to what the Order God put in place concerning the creation of Adam, and later, Eve.
    No one can change. Not even you.
    It is not about saying, it is about context, of which you are ignoring, when you read the Bible, you study it, you observe it, understand the context of what a verse or a passage entails, to go around, with your own Exegesis is a dire call back to what Paul stated in Galatians 1:1-11.
    There is no distinction. Men and women are in union in the church, but the roles are different despite being of that Body. Equal in faith, but in role and operation, many differences, even in a biological sense.
    Women can teach, to prophesy the Messianic Age that is to come by means of the good news gospel, even with the spirit, however, they cannot lead in regard to Religious Office. If that was the case, you'd see that in context in the Scriptures, primarily the Greek Text.
    There are Prophetesses, and there are women who are Ministers, there are no leaders ever mentioned that are women. Paul even mentions some, therefore, as what is written about the early church, people such  as Prisca, Euodia, Syntyche, Phoebe, Persis, Apphia, etc. All of them are Ministers, Preachers so to speak, of high regard.
    She does, but the head of a woman is still a man. Likewise, to the head of a man being the Christ of whom all are under, and above all, is God.
    The Order has not changed, and it seems you are leaning on the modern view of submission, something of which even some JWs are guilty of.
    What you assume, is not of what the Bible entails.
    Yet concerning God's Order of which Paul conveys, regardless if the woman is chosen or not is clear.
    Apostle Paul focuses and concludes on the primary headship of God, the Head of Christ, as is the headship of the man over the woman, an Order of which is maintained and upheld in the early Christian Church. For the woman recognizes that the Most High is the one who ordained headship of man, hence the notion of head coverings by wearing a head coverings, as is roles.
    There isn't anything anyone can do to change that.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It does makes sense concerning what was in that article. Of course, you post it on purpose, but you were never going to address what was in that article to people, namely to @Pudgy.
    Pearl literally spoke of having visions where angels were involved speaking to her in a sense, an ability, those before 100AD. Granted the Apostle Age ended many, many years ago, it is highly unlikely Pearl every communicate with an Apostle of old to even gain such abilities around the time such gifts were to serve the early church in growing.
    Unless she had some sort of Time Machine, perhaps you have a case.
    Pride is dishonorable, as a Christain, even by means of my culture. So, I would not go around culture, or the Bible for something that the paradigm expresses to a great deal.
    Therefore, the accusation, is an appeal to motive.
    That being said, last time you tried to save something that of a similar effect, you were not aware of the Cultural mannerisms of Religious Caribbean people.
    Nice try though, although a failed attempt.
    To speak truth is not arrogance. To defend something that is not Christian Core, someone will say something, as is do something. God's Word, as is the Early Church and how they operated should not be defiled by Mainstream ideas, let alone something out of core teachings that had a Biblical purpose concerning the Church.
    Hence why you fail to see what the one whom you defend is saying, unable to think on your own concerning what is core and what is not.
    Your Pearl in her article swayed people to the fact that she deems herself an inspired prophet who is capable of having visions, a miraculous gift of the Apostles of old.
    At this point it makes JWs irrelevant because now there is someone who claims divine inspiration.
    How are you sure about your last remark? If you took into account what Babylon did in a span of the last 3 weeks, it should be obvious of whom he referenced here. The enemy is the one who seeks Peace by means of Conquest, as far as I had seen, since tracking Babylon, your former faith community is nothing more than a minority, and minorities are common targets of the threat itself.
    Like I said, those who do not know how Babylon operate, are the ones who fall victim to it. I stated this to many in 2016 and look where they are now, Babylon continues to sweep away such people, using tools, people such as yourself, to do it.
    That being said, @Kosonen as is Solider of God, are known to be chosen themselves, but unlike Pearl, they would never make the accusation of somehow receiving miraculous gifts if no Apostle existed for a long time, let alone came into contact with any of the Apostles in the modern age.
     
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    Space Merchant reacted to Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Once again, how does  his mockery of the legal system help others? It's one thing to have sympathy for the victims, but another thing when he, stirrup a hornet nest with lies. Therefore, it's not possible to praise his intent.
    When it comes to emotions, people need to have the right attitude when it's made toward such sensitive issues. You actually had JWs praising him without personal proof, here. He left the institution on hearsay. Yet, fools got upset when I called out @Pudgy with information the police and his State Government uses. They figured such a person is dangerous. That is just down right obtuse.  One fool even praised him when he emailed the UK IICSA. These are all so-called Witnesses. Therefore, here it doesn't matter. This platform is full of deception.
    What good does it do the public when this platform allows for lies and deception? Once again, what benefit does this person possess?
    I'd say, no one here is. They allow their emotions and sympathy do the talking for them,  instead of closely looking at an individual issue under a microscope. The ARC report is one of them. Those cases were in a span of 20 years. Some of those cases were women. There was limited information given to the government due to the Australian Privacy laws. Meaning, the Elders could only use information that they could use. So, if a person admitted to "Child Porn", that person would end up in that list. Why? In part, by the limitations made by that government to classify., Institutions could only categorize it one way, pedophilia. Now, what other information can make the list under the Watchtower? Depending on government regulations, some churches also included substantive information about spousal abuse, fornication, adultery, Child Neglect. Why does the government need to see that information about adultery, fornication, and masturbation? Yet, you have fools demanding the release of such information. 
    Governments combine a wide range of issues into pedophilia. 
    Therefore, it doesn't matter how you want to justify certain peoples, action, if no one here understands how to apply, government's laws correctly; the LAWS of the land, STAY out of those issues.
    If you personally see something, and you wish to get involved, call the police and do your best to keep your recollection honest. However, until that happens,
    1 Thessalonians 4:11
    English Standard Version
    11 and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you,  
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    Space Merchant reacted to JW Insider in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Perhaps I mentioned it somewhere already, but Reslite did get back to me with a response. And he also responded to a question I asked him on his blog. He is both careful and accurate, and therefore an excellent resource on Russell. He did not have the particular information I questioned him about, however, and he recommended another resource.
    For most concerns about Russell, Reslite's default position is to defend him fully, and this is almost always the right direction to go. Most JW opposers (and Bible Student opposers) go for the more ludicrous attacks on Russell anyway, and therefore it's a safe bet on most issues to follow the information in the Proclaimers book and Reslite's information, too, where he can offer additional material.
    But there are a couple of concerns about Russell that rarely get brought up, and one of these is the fact that Brother Rutherford claimed that Russell alone (individually - in his person) had been the "faithful and discreet slave" and Rutherford gave a funeral speech for Russell repeating this belief. This was in accord with Russell's own Watch Tower teaching about the "faithful and wise servant" for nearly the previous two decades. Rutherford also  published material about him clarifying that Russell himself accepted the title and would have claimed it publicly but that Russell's humility only allowed him to claim it privately.
    This is not a big deal to me, but it is a minor concern, because the most current claim in our publications about this is that Russell "never claimed to be such" and therefore the idea is effectively blamed on others, with the idea that Russell only accepted this teaching about himself because of the undue influence of others around him. (See, Proclaimers.)
    The actual history of the idea creates another minor concern about the current teaching: If Rutherford was one of those appointed by Jesus Christ in 1919  to be one of the select few members of the "faithful and discreet slave," then why was it that since December 1919 and all through at least 1927, Rutherford didn't accept this appointment from Jesus, but still insisted that ONLY Russell himself had been that faithful and discreet slave?
    I have a feeling that the reason Dmitar referenced me with respect to this particular topic is because he recognizes the problems of these minor issues but he believes they are major, and therefore must somehow try to defend against them by making it appear they are just hearsay, not claims found in the WT publications themselves.  
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You were added because you reacted positively without knowing what she was defending. No one question you concerning the view that isn't core.
    For if that is what you stand on, you should have seen what she said right from the start, as is whatever Srecko pushed concerning Chloe.
    As do I. Men and Women are invited by God to be Chosen, as in the 1st century and onward.
    Christians, regardless of sex don't keep God's comfort to themselves.
    As mentioned before when you were JOHN BUTLER, whatever Elders in the churches of JWs differ from one another, hence the smoking example I told you before, even more so, them, as with all men and women, are imperfect.
    What I have been saying all this time, when I speak of the Church, I refer to the same one of old, The Early Apostolic Church. The same one that is in the Holy Bible, the same one of which was spoken about in the Didache, by the Apostles in their age, their students, and the Church Fathers before the Roman Emperor shifted everything for the worse, creating both factions of Christendom.
    For there is the early church, Babylon's Church, is the opposition.
    Hence the early church of where Christianity was birthed. Not only it is a body under the Christ, but the people of the Spiritual House, unity among them, regardless of sex or status, Jew or Gentle.
    They paved the path for us to follow, as did the Apostles, as did the Christ.
    You have to also proclaim the gospel of the good news, which was the primary command of the Christ.
    There is a reason behind this, as to why. It is a shadow of what is to come, a level of Section 203 in Media and social media, across all platforms. Eventually, this will be on the forefront when Babylon makes it's move to deal with those against her who speak of Scripture and against Brazen conduct.
    The Left will use people as tools, mainly the unaware for their own agenda, as soon as they reap some form of benefit, they will cast you out, or do it instantly if their agenda is ongoing.
    That being said, it is far grander than that, too much to explain, but it is something I dealt with for years out of the paradigm, hence the view against the MSM. 
    The gospel has to be proclaimed to the people as well. So much one can do from a platform vs legitimate proclamation of the gospel itself, moreover, it is far natural and organic to do such in a way verbally or in person.
    Although other forms are alternatives, the primary is usually best.
    You can still converse. Proclaiming the message of God's Word, even casually.
    However, my case is far more different vs you or your former faith whereas a constant threat is the other faction of Christianity.
     
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