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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    May I suggest that you talk to your Doctor about getting you some Adderall?
    I think 20mg, twice a day would help you to stay focused.
    I don't think they have anything for your WDS.
    ... or your spelling ... hehehehe .
     
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Again, you are missing the point ENTIRELY ( no surprise there ....)
    If I had hand puppets with big crayons,  here is what they would tell you
    Even Jeffery Dahmer and others as bad as he, knew the names of his JUDGES ... their names were on the courthouse door, or on a name plate on their desks.  The Bailiff would announce his  name as he entered the room.
    And I have been repeatedly investigated by the FBI, the DOD, the DOE, and the ATF, and many local Sheriffs, and have a SPOTLESS record,  ( except for  several traffic tickets over a 50 year period ...) so your innuendo is only another of your delusional fantasies, of things you WISH had purchase, but do NOT.

    ... FURTHER .. I never alluded to my experience being an "everyday occurance".  I relayed it as an account ONLY of how I was treated.
    THAT ... is another one of your delusional fantasies of how you WISH I had said that, to be able to defend the indefensible.
    Be a sport ... review what I actually DID say, compared to your stated delusion.
     
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    What Secular courts do or don't do does not excuse what our Tribunals do or don't do.
    When a Jury is selected, a person's lawyer and they have the right to select from a Jury Pool, usually about 30 people,  12 people "good and true" from the Jury pool. 
    I have BEEN in a Jury Pool thankyouverymuch!
    Everybody knows what their names are, even though they are referred to as "Juror No. 3", or "Juror No. 6" etc., AFTER they are selected.
    Before their selection, the defense lawyer tries to find out everything there is to know about each potential juror, and ESPECIALLY those mutually selected by the prosecution and the defense.
    But that is not the point AT ALL ... because a Congregational Judicial Trial is a trial by a Tribunal of Judges, which a defendant has no input at all.  They could be limp-wristed progressive Liberal Snowflakes, or "hanging Judges", or anything at all!
    What I saw is a sad, sad story for another time, perhaps. Perhaps after I am safely dead.
    The WDS Force is strong with you, Luke.
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    Foreigner reacted to TrueTomHarley in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Indeed it is not, but since you constantly compare the two, all that I have said is appropriate. The ones at a court trial who decide guilt DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO TELL YOU THEIR NAMES!!!!!! Where is your outrage about THAT?
    Yes. That was the problem. Were it anyone else it would have been the sort of committee procedure that we all know about.
    What was there about your behavior (the reader might make an educated guess by reviewing your outrageous posts, but no more than an educated guess) so that they resorted to methods that nobody else has ever heard of or can imagine?
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    A congregational Judicial "Hearing" is NOT a jury trial ... It is a trial by Tribunal, who act as both Judges, and Jury.
    The Congregational Judicial Committee is NOT a Jury, it is a Tribunal of Judges.
    Your entire premise is faulty, TTH. That is a generous way of telling you you are WRONG. (again ...)
    You may have been through all this before, but again, you are flat wrong. 
    I was there!
    I was the subject of the Trial, and the Tribunal, after being repeatedly asked to do so BY ME ... refused to tell me their names and Congregation.
     
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    The original video is still available on the ARC web site.
    Try ignoring a summons to appear in Court, and see what happens.
    HINT: Fine or imprisonment for contempt of Court.
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    Foreigner reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Yep Bro Jackson totally messed up on the whole thing but those that worship the GB will never see it or never admit it. 
    Back to this point :- 
    February 2017 Watchtower. Who is leading  God's people today ?
     The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. 
    But with this comment here then not much more is needed is it ? 
    The GB are stating that they are the 'Faithful slave' but admitting that their 'food at the proper time' is not perfect spiritual food. Luke 12 v 42
    And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?
    So the GB are saying that the food Jesus is supplying through Holy Spirit, is not good food. Now why would Jesus want to provide bad food for his followers ? 
    Ah but the GB are not inspired of Holy spirit, so um where exactly do they get this spiritual food from then ?
    Let's look at this in a practical way. The GB are the GOVERNING Body of JW Org and Watchtower. (it would seem that officially / legally they are not, but in practical terms they are ). Then there is a Writing Department. Are they inspired of Holy Spirit ? Well if the GB are not then I presume the WD are not. 
    Then we have the point of being Anointed. Surely if a person is Anointed then they are anointed with Holy Spirit ?  Ah, but the GB say they are not inspired of Holy Spirit. 
    So now we have the question, are Anointed ones actually anointed with holy spirit ? And if so are they inspired by holy spirit ? And if not, what is the point of having Anointed ones ? Yes we know they will die and go to heaven as part of the 144,000 but surely they have an important job to do now. They surely should be guiding God's earthly servants in the right direction ? 
    To guide God's earthly servants in that right direction, the Anointed ones would need to be inspired of Holy Spirit and to receive the spiritual food from Jesus Christ. 
    That brings us back to the scripture about the ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew. 
    TTH and possibly BTK seem to want to follow a body of men that :- is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction 
    Why would anyone want to do this ?  Surely if a person wanted to serve God properly they would need proof positive that those men on earth that they follow were approved of by God and by Jesus Christ and that those men were actually being used to supply true spiritual food. 
    Please don't use numbers to justify God's holy spirit. There are surely far more Catholics and Muslims in this wicked world than JW's.  There are millions of bibles written by hundreds of different translators. There must be priests and clerics that put in many hours to their service to their gods. So saying that JW's do this or that proves nothing. 
    What is needed is proof positive of who the true Anointed really are and that they are inspired of God's holy spirit through Jesus Christ.
    And it is my true feeling that before Judgement Day arrives, God will show willing humble people exactly who those 'spiritual Jews' really are. 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Well, I can speak with some authority, because my wife, Susan, bought 20 Bantam Chickens as chicks (not much on this planet is cuter ...) and I have 5 roosters, temporarily living in a wire cage surrounding a kiddie pool on a table in my sun room, off my back deck. ... and I did view the ARC hearings in real time, in their entirety, and I would have to fully agree with you, Anna ... with the added observation that Bro. Jackson LIED about our stance on corporal punishment, to be politically correct, and said it would be "presumptuous" to believe that Jehovah's Witnesses were the "only" way to salvation, whereas the videos at this summer's Conventions definitely state otherwise., and he was weaseling and waffling in general, after swearing on a NWT to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, SO HELP HIM GOD.
    Howse THAT for a run-on sentence?

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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Oh, BTK, and on the subject of losing arguments, and who does what ... wanna reconsider THIS one that you choked on, and lost by default?
     

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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Well, for what it is worth, I gave an answer at the Watchtower Study Saturday before Last, and my wife gave one this Saturday, at the Kingdom Hall I have been attending since 2000, when I moved here .... for whatever THAT is worth.
    If I was not a JW in good standing (actually, I sit down a lot ...) the WT Study Conductor would not have called on me.
    You really ought to quit attacking me, anonymous BTK ... you ALWAYS lose the argument ... because your agenda driven perspective is so screwed up.
    It is getting tiresome trouncing you soundly every time you attack me, but I do seem to get a perverse pleasure out of it.
    .... never mind.
    It's either this or have fun watching my pet chickens when I hand feed them multi-grain bread !
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    Foreigner reacted to Srecko Sostar in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Perhaps  because Secular Authorities doing JHVH will (maybe not always but still sometimes). Romans 13 explained this in preamble.   
    13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    I try to be a good Jehovah's Witness, because I recognize that it is, as I have said before, "the only game in town."
    But I am not a Corporate shill, and divorce myself publicly from the areas where Corporate Protection is the foremost consideration, and lack of common sense, and lunatic reasonings on theology ( which is now controlled by the Society's Lawyers and Accountants...) rules.
     
    THAT'S how I do it.
     


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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Thank you so much JWI, for posting this, ( TELL NO ONE (2019) | Full Documentary Movie by Tomasz Sekielski | English Subtitles ) :
    My wife, Susan, and I just watched this stunning documentary.
    WOW!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=BrUvQ3W3nV4
    For some reason, although I tried three times to download it to my outboard USB Hard Drives with my usual piece of software "YouTube Downloader', it failed .... so I had to use my new favorite piece of software "FastStone Capture"  ($20) to capture the movie as it played on my monitor, in real time. 
     
    This meant we had to watch it through, in real time 1:1, but the capture is apparently as good as the original movie, at least on my 17" monitors, depending on how fast you set the capture frame rate.
    If it shows up on your monitor .... you can capture it to your hard drive, with "FastStone Capture". 
    It will even capture everything on a page of a blog like this, from top to bottom, by automatically scrolling down, and capturing as it goes.
    This is an example:
     


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    Foreigner reacted to JW Insider in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Brother Jackson did an excellent job under the circumstances. Some of what he said indicated that the GB really would go back and rethink policies that were in place, and I believe it's no coincidence that we have seen more good progress since the ARC hearings.
    However, I never heard anyone (who watched Jackson's testimony in its entirety) point out any instances or evidences of humility. Sorry to say it, but his overall demeanor, to me, actually stood out as haughty and smug. I don't think that was just me. And it's not that I think this is how he is, or how the GB usually are, I have seen many instances of the GB showing humility and true concern. But I saw several evidences of the opposite, here.
    In fact, I think that McClellan, took notice of Brother Jackson's (who is an Australian citizen) attempts to reposition his testimony as an "opportunity" and something that worked out because he was only there (traveling in Australia) to take care of his elderly father. In fact, I understand that for no other person did Judge McClellan thank someone for their testimony and then add the words he added here at 1:07:41-45. The Judge, with a possible bit of derisive head-shaking of his own adds: ". . . you are now formally excused from your summons." It's even possible to interpret the half-second loss of Brother Jackson's "smirk" to that very remark at 1:07:47.
     
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    Foreigner reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    The Kid seems to think that man's laws are higher than God's laws it seems. So what happens when a government tells the JW's not to preach the good news, or not to talk about God ? Romans 13 v1 again Billy. 
    What would your W/t do Billy, obey man's laws ?
    No, it only hides behind man's laws when it is convenient to the GB and it's Org. 
    If 'data protection' hides criminals and sinners in the JW Org, then surely God's laws would override it for true servants of God. 
    I laugh at Billy's use of those last two scriptures. 1 Peter 2 v 16.
    16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.
    The GB / W/t / JW Org are using their freedom as a cover up for evil. That is what the Child Sexual Abuse investigations Earthwide are all about. The known facts and more facts being revealed about this Child Sexual Abuse being committed by Elders and others within the JW Org.   
    But Billy will keep his head in the sand, and as I've said before, he cannot really be a true JW by his thoughts and words. 
     "Either your trust in God or you don't", Billy says.... Yes Billy trust in God, but not in the Watchtower or the GB of JW org. Or in the Elders of JW congregations. 
    'Now you want the Watchtower to be an organization that breaks man’s law to benefit opposers,' Billy says.
    So, are victims of CSA now viewed as opposers in Billy's eyes ? Look after widows and orphans Billy, remember scripture. 
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    Foreigner reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    @James Thomas Rook Jr. I totally agree with your first comment above and I believe the first paragraph of this second comment. As for the full proceedings, I didn't watch it all but have seen 'bits' via youtube or somewhere. 
    I do know that the Org tried to withhold information from the Charity Commision here in the UK. 
    I find it so funny when you call JW Org 'OUR' system or org. I cannot fully understand why anyone with your knowledge of the GB / W/t / JW Org would want to be any part of it, but maybe you are still getting info to pass on to us. 
    I would think that half of the time the criminal or sinner is an Elder, and that he is liked and protected by other Elders, so justice is seldom done. And all is hidden behind closed doors. 
    Whereas in that 'wicked old world' outside the Org, justice is more often done, and is seen to be done. 
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    This is 100% NOT TRUE ... The ARC received their information by leaks, subpoenas, testimony and letters from victims, and mountains of hard evidence collected by victims and those knowing what actually happened ... (aka "apostates")  ....  that was forwarded to the commission.
    I watched the proceedings in real time as it was happening ( I stayed awake all night watching for about a week, and more...) and the Elders, Branch Officials, and even GB member Geoffrey Jackson  were caught in multiple lies and infantile explanations.
    The Videos are STILL available, if you want to refresh your memory.
    Oh, never mind ... I forgot for a moment ... to refresh your memory, you would have had to have watched the proceedings the FIRST time.
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    Foreigner reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Well the Kid is unwell isn't he ? It's obvious that God does not control all governments. Not would God want to it seems.
    The Devil offered all those 'kingdoms' of the earth to Jesus, so I think it's obvious that the Devil controls them. 
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    If God CONTROLS all governments, as you have just stated, BTK, then the Nazis are blameless for their atrocities.
    You cannot have it BOTH ways!
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    What irritates me the most ... really burns my overweight butt ... is that the Secular Authorities HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.
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    Foreigner reacted to Srecko Sostar in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Why? You ask why?!!! I am sure how you will recall why, if somebody say - Because all of you who are PROUD to call yourself JW's aka Christians  - need to be LIGHT of The World.
    14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
    Please reconsider again, in the LIGHT of verse above, how Funny, Spiritually Immature and Unscriptural is Lawyers words through the mouth of GB FDS individual !! 
    Read Again:
    .. if the Australian Government, in all the States, was to make mandatory reporting, it would make it so much easier for us.
    NOTHING about LIGHT FROM ABOVE, but about - Make It Easier For Us.   :(( ... shame to them.
     
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    Foreigner reacted to Srecko Sostar in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    I think, comparison is often a method that can have some negative and positive consequences. When we compare something, we do it for reasons to choose what is better and what is less good to reject. Understandably, of course. But we see that the next thing can happen, after we have chosen the thing that once was better than others, we later see that it has its disadvantages that we do not like. 
    In the case of JW religion, we (or I myself) who came out of the organization did not compare JW religion with another religion and then converted to another faith to become their believers. In fact, we compared the organization with the standards that the same organization placed itself. These standards are; God, the Bible, Jesus' doctrine. Principles of truthfulness and honesty as a commonly accepted value, too. So, we had strong reasons to put WTJWORG under the magnifying glass. Comparing an one imperfect religion to another imperfect religion has no significance and purpose as it may seem at first glance.
    Comparing people within a one system is also inadequate. If everyone is doing the best they can, then comparing is actually the wrong measurement of human efforts and achievements.
    You may also feel that some assembly is once considered better than another. You've heard perhaps the elders of a congregation think or even argue that the brothers in their assembly are without some disadvantages, that brothers in another assembly have. 
    To compare, how one is pioneer and one is not, and ask why, how he /she cannot because he/she can according to our opinion .... and so on.
    In general, making comparison is difficult and controversial job. :))  
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    Foreigner reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Yes I am judgemental. And in my own opinion I have good reason to be, as do many other ex JW's.
    The JW Org, it's GB, the Watchtower, they all need to be judged. Just as they judge the Catholic church and others. 
    However, for JW's to use the badness of this wicked world as an excuse for badness in the Org, that is a poor show.
    I bring back another of my old saying "Well we didn't offer as many children in the fire to Molech as the other nations did".  When they knew perfectly well what God standards were. 
    And i don't see in that scripture you've quoted, that Paul is saying " But I'm better than most people in the world".
    Which is the excuse you seem to use.
    Comparing things does not mean that you say they are equal. Comparing the JW Org to God's standards shows how wicked the JW Org really is when compared to the standards God expects. Matthew 5 v 48
    Matthew 5:48 English Standard Version (ESV)
    48 "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
    We know perfection is not attainable for us, but to use the imperfection as an excuse is so weak. 
    I think you would have the pedophiles in the JW Org using that scripture from Paul as an excuse :
     when I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me ...   but I behold in my members another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my members.  
    Any excuse for JW 's. 
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    Foreigner reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    You have deliberately missed the point. You are comparing the JW Org with the world. But we know the world is filthy and horrible, so yes the Org is a bit better than the world at large.
    However you should be comparing the JW Org to God's high standards, then see how smug you can be.  
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    Foreigner reacted to TrueTomHarley in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Now, now. “If it is not perfect, it is filthy,” does not fly with me.
    Go argue it with Billy.
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