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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    I enlarged the photo, and compared the flag pole to the flag and pole projected shadows, onto the Kingdom Hall's wall.
    The photo MAY be a complete fake, but it is NOT probable, in my considered and educated opinion.
    The larger and higher flag in the picture (there are two) is definitely behind the fence at the sidewalk or curb, and it projects exactly correct at the right angle, and the shadow on the Kingdom Hall wall  at the address numbers "2925" shown, is the right size and shape, and SPECULAR ALBEDO that it should be.
    WHAT IS TRUTH SHOULD BE THE AGENDA ... NOT what is the agenda..
    Sometimes, we just have to bet our lives, on the best guess, according to how we see the Universe.
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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   

    Luke 12:32
    Ahh, you are thinking I am applying this to the anointed remnant that comes out of the Watchtower.
    No.  The “little flock” were physical Jews; who, when added to the Gentile “other sheep”, became one anointed flock under Christ as the new Nation of “Israel”.  John 10:16; Rom.9:6; 2:28-29; Gal.6:15-16; 3:28-29     
    If faithful, they would also receive the Kingdom.   Rev 5:9,10
    The number of anointed who survive Armageddon, are few.  Eze.14:22; Luke13:23-24; 18:26-27; Matt.7:13-14
     
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    Foreigner reacted to Space Merchant in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    I've explained this a while ago pertaining to the early church in relation to Scripture and the Didache, as well as such in regards to Salvation, I believe this was talked about to you several times. Even before them, before us, there were people of God who are of this church, the same one that Jesus has built, same teachings, same practices, etc. all intact. A Christian would not be concerning of preaching the gospel if they believe that only they themselves would be saved, otherwise that would be hypocritical, hence why Christians will preach the gospel to the people, and this is an example in which we see with what took place during and after Pentecost, perhaps even Jesus and the Samaritan woman as read in John 4.
    For someone such as yourself to claim you are anointed, yet water down Christ's Kingship and butcher God's order of things, you cannot be taken seriously. Not to mentioned, you be very, very aware of the connection between Christians and the church of the Christ, and those of whom who heed the word.
    Hypocritical, is all that can be said. But surely one among the Firstfruits should have seen that one coming.
    That being said, God is merciful and such mercy is extended to all persons, God knows who is and who is not for him. There are those out there who still needs to know what the gospel is, and clearly, so what are you doing to help such ones?
    The church itself is of the Christ, built by him. I advise you not to forget what that is, and what it means.
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    Foreigner reacted to Anna in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    As I said: Has it not occurred to anyone that maybe this KH, with a porta potty outside, might be rented, and the building is owned by a non JW who put the flag up? I mean if someone would take pics of the stage at our assembly here in town, they would see the American flag right above it. Well we didn't put it there...
    We used to rent space above a pub, there were drunks outside every meeting night. I'm sure Jack Ryan and Witness would take pics and say those were brothers who had had one too many.....
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    Foreigner reacted to Anna in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    You may have photos, but you don't know who put the flag there...do you? Makes me think the same group that took the pictures perhaps....?
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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    If you only realized JWs do not consider you part of their "church".  
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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    That’s exactly what it means.
    I told you, I don’t believe in the trinity, both in silence and out loud.  You’re not making sense, Allen.  What are you, an interrogating lawyer for the "Society"?   The only reason I am answering you is for the benefit of any other JW who may be reading this. 
    There is no union of the saints, who are the Body of Christ, in the organization.  The Watchtower makes sure that they remain apart.  It is discouraged that the Body of “living stones” of God’s Temple, do not study the Bible together.   1 Pet 2:5,9   What a hypocritical doctrine.    There is a union of the saints/anointed ones outside of the organization, who have been “killed” by your organization for turning to Christ.   Rev 12:14
    And am I silent?  Isa 58:1; Rev 11:1-3
    Is the GB aware of the interests of its anointed “brothers" or just their own interests?  Matt 24:48-51
     Up until just recently, who was considered the “faithful and discreet slave”?  Who is it now?  Who is doing the isolating?
    How is that so?  What have I continually said about the Temple of God, with Christ as the chief cornerstone, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets?  The members of the anointed Body of Christ are the “church”. 
     
    First of all, when you say “Society”, I am guessing you mean the Watchtower.  Are you believing there were no anointed ones after the death of the apostles and up until 100 years ago?  You believe not one Christian anointed one walked the earth for 2,000 years?  That no believer in Christ was present during that time?  
    The Society didn’t “inherit” 3,000 anointed ones, they fell into Satan’s end time deception to be “sifted” by his greatest magnum opus since deceiving Eve.  Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12 ; Jer 5:26; Ps 140:5
    Tell me, how will the anointed ones be conquered in the time of the end.  They are not safe in “Jehovah’s organization” as taught, because they face a severe test at the hands of a “false prophet”.  Ezek 13:10-12; Matt 7:15; 24:24; 1 Thess 5:3
    Can you explain this - Rev 13:5-7,11
    Who are these 1.6 billion Christians?  Those outside the organization? Now you are including outsiders when before you said, the first Christians were inherited by the Society one hundred years ago? Or, is this number the entire amount of JWs over the years? 
    Through Holy Spirit, you have heard of it, haven’t you?  Zech 4:6-14; Rev 11:3,4
    A rejection of Christ?  Or, do you mean a rejection of the GB?
    Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, forsalvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”  John 4:21-24
    The spiritual dwelling place of God is within the anointed heart.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  On their heart is written God’s laws.  Heb 8:10  The early ark of the covenant symbolized the presence of God and housed the laws given to Moses. Under the New Covenant, God’s anointed priesthood are like that ark. Rev 11:19 Each one is to carry truth, the truth from Christ. John 17:17 When the early temple was built, the ark was placed in the “inner court” of the temple specifying God’s presence in that temple.  Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  “But he was speaking of the temple of his Body”.  John 2:19-21
    Every anointed priest is part of the temple as “living stones”, and they ARE the temple, according to 1 Cor 3:16,17. Eph 2:20-22  During the last days, a conquering force comes upon them using deceitful lies. Rev 13:7; 20:9,10   Those who reject the lies are “killed”.  Rev 13:15; Matt 16:25; 19:29  Instead of buying spiritual food from a false prophet, these "stones" “buy gold” from Jesus Christ.  Rev 3:18  And by breaking free of this spiritual captivity of deception, (Rev 13:10)  they are the “victorious ones”, riding with Christ in the battle of truth against lies.  Rev 15:2; 19:11,19,20
     Uninspired men are unable to provide pure teachings from Christ, because they no longer carry God’s spirit in their heart.  Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8
     
     
     
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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    No, there is one “church”(Body) which is God’s Temple/Zion.  1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
    One religion.  James 1:27
    This is what I belong to as an anointed one.
    "If you do not"?  Does not belonging to an earthly church, which is what you are referring to, mean that I would believe the trinity?
    No, I don't.
    I don’t suppose you are trying to catch me in an act of idolatry, are you?  My devotion is purely to the Father and to my Master, Jesus Christ.  John 1:2,14,18; 3:16,18; 5:17-19
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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Some JWs love the artistic beauty of the cross so much, they use it wherever they can get away with it. 
     


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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Oh dear, typical Allen comment.
     
    This part:
    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
    I proclaim the excellencies of the Father and His Son.  JWs proclaim “Jehovah AND his organization”, or Jehovah’s organization”. 
    “Who will you compare Me or make me equal to? Who will you measure me with, so that we should be like eWhy does Michael ch other?  Isa 46:5 
    What does the name Michael mean?  “Who Is Like God” 
    Michael stand up for his “people” in the last days. Considering the meaning of his name, do you think he is representing those who continually make the comparison of his Father to an earthly entity found in the enemy's realm?  Phil 3:18,19  Who expect devotion to the organization when God requires exclusive devotion?  Exod 20:5
    “At that time Michael (“Who is like God”) shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.”  Dan 12:1
    On one side of this war are those who represent God; on the other side are those who represent an idol/organization that claims to be "spirit-directed" and invincible.  Rev 13:15
    So they worshiped the dragon who  gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast?  Who is able to make war with him?"  Rev 13:4
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    Foreigner reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    The preponderance of evidence, as I saw it then, and as I see it now, as shown leads me to believe that it happened EXACTLY as Jack Ryan just posted.
    It is consistent with the fact that for 50 years in Mexico, Jehovah's Witnesses were a "cultural association", until the law was changed so they could own REAL ESTATE.
    Straight from "central casting".
    When I was a younger man, I used to bet my life that I understood parachuting as well as I understood that hitting the ground at 220 miles per hour is NOT GOOD ...
    A series of ACTUAL life or death "leaps of faith".   I am USED to the idea.
    It's all about how you rate the probabilities of this thing ... that thing .. or the other thing .... whatever it is, as being true, false, or somewhere in the middle.
    Sometimes, the credibility gap is compensated for by a gullibility fill.
    Sometimes the truth really hurts.
    WDS - the sword that cuts BOTH ways.
    The preponderance of evidence, as I saw it then, and as I see it now, as shown leads me to believe that it happened EXACTLY as Jack Ryan just posted.
     
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    Foreigner reacted to Jack Ryan in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
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    Foreigner reacted to Witness in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    The nation of Israel was dedicated to God, not to the nation of Israel. They served ONLY God.  Jws are a “nation” dedicated to an organization, which they serve.    There is a difference, and the difference is idolatry. Were the early apostles dedicated to an organization, or to God and Jesus Christ?  
    Is this what they are teaching you now?  I would not be surprised.
    Spiritual “Israel” does not include both anointed and those not anointed, but includes only the “firstfruits” of God’s children.  They are God’s called, chosen ones that bear the work of preaching the “good news” of Christ. James 1:18; Rev 14:1,4,5
    w96 2/15 p. 13-14 -   Well, beginning with Jesus’ apostles and others at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jehovah has been dealing with spiritual Israelites. These are humans anointed with God’s holy spirit who become part of what the apostle Paul calls “the Israel of God.” (Galatians 6:16;Romans 8:15-17) Recall, too, that at 1 Peter 2:9, these Christians are called “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession.” Peter goes on to identify the assignment given to spiritual Israel: “‘You should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”
    The “other sheep” are physical Gentiles “grafted” into the vine of Christ – they are also, anointed ones, becoming one flock.  John 10:16; Eph 2:11-22; Rom 1:16; 11:22-25; Acts 11:9,18;10:45-47; 13:46; Rev 7:14-15
    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. 1 Pet 2:9,10  (Hos 2:23)
     “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    That you may know and believe Me,
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    Nor shall there be after Me.”  Isa 43:10
    You used 1 Pet 2:9 to describe all JWs and anointed ones as “one flock”.  Are all JWs chosen for the priesthood?  Are all JWs anointed?  Are all JWs part of the “144,000”?  Rev 7:4
    Spiritual “Israel” is the holy nation of God.  When the New Covenant is fulfilled, and the Kingdom arrives, the rest of God’s children will be part of God’s spiritual “nation”.  Isa 66:7,8; Rev 22:17
    There is no earthly organization that God recognizes.  He is building His "organization" of the "144,000" on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ as the chief cornerstone, having His future children in mind to receive its blessings.  God recognizes His Temple. 1 Cor 3:16, 17; Eph 2:19-22       Do you?  In the last 100 years, men have fabricated their own organization, a "unique idea" as the Watchtower put it in the '40's.  It is blasphemy to God.  Rev 13:1,11
     
    We are in the last days.  The preaching work is to spiritual “Israel”. Matt 10:23 That would be to the anointed ones.  Listed among many is because  they are dedicated to an earthly organization, and not to God and Christ.  Why do I say this?
    “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and riches.”  Matt 6:24
     
     
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    Foreigner reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Letter explained how Collective Conscience of Elders make Decision to Put or Not to Put Flag on KH in Chile. 
    So, nobody asked Bro and Sis of particular congregation? Interesting. No Resolution regard Flag?
    But Collective Conscience of Elders is Imperative?
    This makes old-new aspect on JWORG. Who and what RUN your decisions? Your Natural/Artificial Conscience?  JW Collective Conscience? Elders Body Conscience? GB Conscience? WT Lawyers Conscience? ....and similar. 
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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    It’s hilarious when opposers attempt to sway their argument by introducing an “interlinear” to make a point. First, the Bible Students were criticized for relying on the Emphatic Diaglott Bible with the Westcott and Hort interlinear (Vatican Manuscripts), and now, the Watchtower is being criticized for thinking it hasnÂ’t consulted the TR-MSS. No different with what the J.P. Green SR interlinear offers. What will people think of next?

    Textual basis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Translation_of_the_Holy_Scriptures

    The Greek New Testament Textus Receptus (Stephanus 1550)

    Modern Midrash: The Retelling of Traditional Jewish Narratives By Twentieth-century Hebrew Writers SUNY Series in Modern Jewish 1987

    Midrash-and-Multiplicity-Pirke-De-Rabbi-Eliezer-and-the-Renewal-of-Rabbinic-Interpretive-Culture-Studia-Judaica-48 2009

    Targum and Testament Revisited 2010

    The Vatican Manuscript of Spinoza's Ethica (Brill's Studies in Intellectual History) (English and Latin Edition) 2011

     

    WhatÂ’s, even funnier the J.P. Green SR, GLT bible, agrees with the NWT in certain text, by using the name of God (Jehovah) NOT (Yahweh) such as in, 2 King 24:1-2

    Therefore, an interlinear is as good as its interpretation with the proper context attached to the ancient script. Anything else is meaningless rhetoric.

    Masoretic Text 1524

    2 Kings 24:1

    ????? ??? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?

    24:2        ????? ???? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???????

    In his days, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon went up and Jehoiakim became a servant for three years, and sat down:

    24: 2 And Jehovah sent to him the battalions of Gadim, and the divisions of Aram, and the battalions of Moab, and the battalions of the Ammonites, and sent them in Judah to destroy him, as the word of the LORD was spoken by the servants of the prophets.


     
    24:2

     

    Young's Literal Translation 1862

     

    24:1     In his days hath Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon come up, and Jehoiakim is to him a servant three years; and he turneth and rebelleth against him,

    24:2     and Jehovah sendeth against him the troops of the Chaldeans, and the troops of Aram, and the troops of Moab, and the troops of the sons of Ammon, and He sendeth them against Judah to destroy it, according to the word of Jehovah, that He spake by the hand of His servants the prophets;

     

    Reina Valera 1909

     

    4:1

    EN su tiempo subió Nabucodonosor rey de Babilonia, al cual sirvió Joacim tres años; volvióse luego, y se rebeló contra él.

    24:2

    Jehová empero envió contra él tropas de Caldeos, y tropas de Siros, y tropas de Moabitas, y tropas de Ammonitas; los cuales envió contra Judá para que la destruyesen, conforme á la palabra de Jehová que había hablado por sus siervos los profetas.

     

    GOOGLE TRANSLATE: Substitutes JEHOVA for LORD. This shows the bias in translation.

    24: 1 In his time Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon went up, and Jehoiakim served for three years; He turned then, and rebelled against him.

    24: 2 But the LORD sent against him troops of the Chaldeans, and troops of Syrians, and troops of the Moabites, and troops of the Ammonites; and he sent them against Judah to destroy it, according to the word of the LORD, which he spoke by his servants the prophets.

     

     
    ALL these translation derive from the TR-MSS. Only a selective few honor God by using his proper name, (i.e. translated in its CORRECT context) and doesn’t hide his name like many bibles out there. Where does that leave that ideology, when applying an interlinear as bases for an argument? But, this also falls in line, when, POPE John Paul II “ordered” the REMOVAL of the Tetragrammaton and use of God’s personal name from all Catholic Churches services.

    http://forum.yadayah.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1230#post7756

    https://vn.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130804071545AAj7aHJ

    Reprinting ZENIT's articles requires written permission from the editor. http://www.zenit.org/article-23414?l=english (dead-link) Permission, not granted!!

     
    Any other disingenuous argument can be scrutinized by the works, like Norman L. Geisler.

    Since this forum is hypothetically anything but an academic forum, Copyright rules apply.

     “No portion of this e-book may legally be copied, reproduced or transmitted in any form and by any means, electronic or mechanical.”

    A similar clause, the Watchtower has for its printed material.

    Copyright

    © 2017 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved.

    This website is published and maintained by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (“Watchtower”). Unless otherwise indicated, all text and other information on this website are the intellectual property of Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (“Watch Tower”).

    “But please do not reproduce its contents on another website or application.”

    You may not:

    ·         Post artwork, electronic publications, trademarks, music, photos, videos, or articles from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, video-sharing site, or social network).

    ·         Distribute artwork, electronic publications, trademarks, music, photos, text, or videos from this website with or as part of any software application (including uploading such materials to a server for use by a software application).

    ·         Reproduce, duplicate, copy, distribute, or otherwise exploit any artwork, electronic publications, trademarks, music, photos, text, or videos on this website for a commercial purpose or for money (even if no profit is involved).

     

    Therefore, I recommend everyone keep their views of opposition to works that donÂ’t VIOLATE copyright law.

    2018 has become a different beast. There are forces out there, which will get, people to start complying with the LAWS of the LAND. No exceptions, LBR, TTH, JTR. This, however, doesn’t apply to “public domain” works. I’m sure you would agree on TTH, you wouldn’t want your published work on an open forum to be butchered by opposers to make irrelevant claims when they don’t have a cognitive understanding of scripture, to begin with. So, why turn a blind eye to the Watchtower publications. I hope people will finally understand the irony why the Watchtower doesn’t attach a name to any of its publications in order to preserve their works from becoming public domain.

    In general, works published after 1977 will not fall into the public domain until 70 years after the death of the author, or, for corporate works, anonymous works, or works for hire, 95 years from the date of publication or 120 years from the date of creation, whichever expires first.

    An organization is an organized group of people with a particular purpose, such as a business or government department. A corporation is a large company or group of companies authorized to act as a single entity and recognized as such in law. An organization can be a part of a corporation.

    https://iclg.com/practice-areas/copyright-laws-and-regulations/usa

    https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html

    https://abovethelaw.com/2017/12/its-a-wrap-what-to-expect-from-the-copyright-wars-in-2018/

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/01/copyright-week-2018-join-us-fighting-better-copyright-law-and-policy

     
    So, this infamous ideology that JWI keeps suggesting, what is “fair use” will be a thing of the past. So, gear up folks, Web sites are included in this battle. Yes, that also applies to archives of published works without the expressed permission or consent of the owner.



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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Perhaps, to opposers and unscrupulous people that don’t adhere to Caesar’s law much less God’s law, until they find the words “slander” and “defamation” attached to their senseless rhetoric. Even then, a dying atheist wants to believe in a higher being.

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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Then I suggest you start educating yourself in the laws that govern copyright, and not assume as JWI has about fair use. There are plenty of websites to aid you. This ideology of violating other people’s rights just to make websites of opposition, viable, is no longer an excuse.

    However, Does this mean, I can publish YOUR books content online?

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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Exactly. You, as an AUTHOR, should have been aware of copyright, even before JWI obscured, the fair use, view. So, what makes your works better, that it needs YOUR PERMISSION, from, that of the Watchtowers, that people think they DON’T need permission from the Watchtower to publish ANY of their copyrighted material. If, you’re NOT willing to subject your own published works to the same standard, then, don’t advocate, the infringement of the Watchtower copyrighted material.

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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Religious organizations do a limited Q&A to confirm or refute some underline claim, by others. The Bible Students used their publications for rebuttal. However, there are circumstances that even the Watchtower has to be given permission to use information that is copyrighted. They also GRANT permission too many that have an interest in the Watchtower publications, History and Chronology.

    None of which is Granted automatically, as its being abused here. I used your position as an Author to make a point, not directly to you, BUT EVERYONE HERE. This includes Witnesses, opposers, and the OWNER, that contributed this hilarious controversial portion of this website for people to malign the Watchtower.

    Just, like you wouldn’t want your works stolen, what makes anyone think the Watchtower does?

     
    Ephesians 4:28 World English Bible (WEB)

     
    28 Let him who stole steal no more; but rather let him labor, producing with his hands something that is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need.

    World English Bible (WEB)

     
    By Public Domain. The name "World English Bible" is trademarked.

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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Under the law, ignorance is no excuse or substitute to make a defense. First, you would start, by not justifying the abuse, and then, ask yourself, which laws you think can be broken to satisfy defamation.

    God starts with your heart, where, does those calling themselves witnesses, START!!

    Then anyone can use you published work without your permission, just because you think “fair use” is “fair game”. That's amusing coming from you.

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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    What does misrepresenting scripture have to do with ACADEMIA?

    Academia is an aggregate for learning and teaching. Critics of the Watchtower have NO value in teaching other than to distort what the Watchtower teaching is by whining like 6-year-old, little girls.

    For once, be honest with its definition other than to impose hypothetical, speculative, conjectural, impractical, and unrealistic views to the lies (John 8:44,) perpetrated by unscrupulous people.

    Adjective

    1. Of or relating to a college, academy, school, or other educational institution, especially one for higher education: academic requirements.

    2. Pertaining to areas of study that are not primarily vocational or applied, as the humanities or pure mathematics.

    3. Theoretical or hypothetical; not practical, realistic, or directly useful: an academic question; an academic discussion of a matter already decided.

    4. Learned or scholarly but lacking in worldliness, common sense, or practicality.

    5. Conforming to set rules, standards, or traditions; conventional: academic painting.

    6. Acquired by formal education, especially at a college or university: academic preparation for the ministry.

    7. (initial capital letter) of or relating to Academe or to the Platonic school of philosophy.

    Noun

    8. A student or teacher at a college or university.

    9. A person who is academic in background, attitudes, methods, etc.: He was by temperament an academic, concerned with books and the arts.

    10. (Initial capital letter) a person who supports or advocates the Platonic school of philosophy.

    11. Academics, the scholarly activities of a school or university, as classroom studies or research projects: more emphasis on academics and less on athletics.

     

    So, NO! There is NOTHING academic about this portion of the forum. It’s fool’s gold to think otherwise. That’s just an excuse to toe the party line, nothing more.

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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    If you mean, stick to bible principle and the teachings of Christ? Then you are correct. Other than that, its people like you that dumbfound the prospect. Did anyone see Jesus on an Arabian horse or a donkey? You’re nothing more than an enabler of false narratives and propaganda. What kind of Academia is that? And whats your excuse?
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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Coincidence or Correlation?   
    Excellent, Good for you.
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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    First, even an unscholarly website, committed to biblical learning, runs a gambit of truthful research, NOT critical personal opinions. What do personal opinions advance, in academia?
    What is your opinion based on and Why? Manipulating, distorting, and misrepresenting the Watchtower literature for one's personal gain, is a meaningless endeavor. The same opinions, RECYCLED by millions of ex-witnesses and HATERS of the truth? Jesus went through that, and it got him killed. By who, the same people that were waiting for the Messiah, with an earthly Kingdom, instead of accepting the Son of God with a heavenly Kingdom. What’s the difference between the two, exploits, against the truth?
    The rest is up to interpretation. Once again, what is the criticism of the Watchtower, that is REFLECTIVE, and based on scripture?
    The contribution then falls in the interpretation of scripture, yet the HATRED of the Watchtower, just like Jesus, takes center stage, just as in the past. So, who are the Critics of the Watchtower, if not, the same kind of people that were critical of Christ. Aside from that, everything just goes around in circles, and everyone that personally criticizes, just to criticize, is no better than the people that got Jesus killed. GREAT JOB!!!
    YouÂ’re really having a positive influence on HATRED!! But then again, so did Hitler LOL!!!!
    Exodus 23:1       
    "You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
    Leviticus 19:16  
    'You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people, and you are not to act against the life of your neighbor; I am the LORD.
    2 Timothy 3:3
    Unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
    1 Peter 4:14
    If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
    1 Peter 3:16
    And keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame.
    Matthew 5:11
    "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
     
    Now ask yourself? what does your Christianity or NON-Christian conduct and interpretation, have to offer, if you are committed as the Pharisees were?
     
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    Foreigner got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Then, A true Christain should take the initiative to CORRECT a WRONG, for starters. However, misleading, misrepresentation, manipulation, and wrongful interpretation of scripture to win a point doesn’t apply. There is NO scholarly benefit involved, by hearing people whine with their personal opinions. And as you stated, there are plenty of OTHER CHRISTAIN sects, yet, instead of spreading that disdain you speak of, to OTHER religions, and THEIR websites? They chose and single out ONE. The irony and hypocrisy of attempting to reach people by citing Christ message, if those opposed continue to BREAK every law Jesus spoke of as well, by acting like the Pharisees. Therefore, how do you, right a wrong, if you allow false statement flourish. You have SAVVY people? Satan was also SAVVY and knew how to use it. How, savvy is a person coming to this website, with no prior knowledge of the Watchtower, other than all the falsehoods found in websites, like this? And you have commenters, here, professing to be Witnesses that agree with opposers views? Then what's the message from these WITNESSES? Ecclesiastes 9:10. 2 Timothy 4:7, Ephesians 6:12, James 1:12.

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    Then the question remains to those that continue to be a “stumbling” block, and make an attempt to tear down Christ Body, block by block, by THEIR OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS. Isaiah 59:2, 1 Thessalonians 5:20-22.

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