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It’s quite all right, Billy. We’re on the same team, and both out in a strange realm where conventional tactics may or may not be the way to go.

That is a pointless accusation as usual from you.
And as W/t material has been in production for far longer than i've been on this forum, you are obviously wrong.
But for person that hides behind a pussy, I don't expect anything better  
 

Just pointing out the facts that the GB / Writing dept' seem to need to write about it all.
I would think a true Christian has enough advice and direction in God's word. 
But the GB obviously needs to think up something to write about to put up a smoke screen for them to hide behind. 

It seems the GB or some JW's just love to think about and talk about SEX 
We've had masterbation talked about here. 
We've had oral sex talked about here.
We've had tight 'pants' / trousers showing off 'body parts', talked about here. 
Now lap dancing. 
It is slightly funny but also a bit worrying. Are the GB or some JW's, perverts, that they cannot stop thinking about or talking about SEX.
Seems to remind me of an Otis Redding song, something about 'You don't miss your water , till your well is dry'.
Someone here missing more than their water ?   

So why then does said practice have to be defined? Have they run out of material/spiritual food, kinda like tv shows sometimes? 
Is it going to be in the next wt that murder might be a disfellowshiping offence?
They created more questions then the answer they gave. Silly really.
 

Sorry i find some of this funny, but of course it isn't funny from God's viewpoint.
Any true Christian, well in my opinion, would not even enter such a place of 'entertainment'. 
But then I don't even drink alcohol and never go into pubs / bars, as i see no need for any on it.  
 

It's crazy to me that now a lap-dance is fornication/porneia. Which means it is also grounds for divorce!

So what if you just go into the strip club and watch from the table and enjoy your beer and steak. No penalty?

In case anyone was confused.... Watchtower defines it for us...... as a SIN!!!

The Watchtower, November 2018, "Are You Making Jehovah's Thoughts Your Own?"

At least its not as bad as the public talk they gave about bedroom sex rules including oral sex.

Is this for real ?  8 old men in America making up rules for what married couples can do in their bedroom. 
If that is true then the GB are Perverted old farts.  

2014 was a long time ago regarding the Child Abuse issues. It has become mainstream news now so the Gb and it's Org lost that battle to keep it all secret. Hence a lot more people over 16 or 18 would have left the Org by now. And been replaced by 3 and 5 years olds it seems. 
Until last year I never really thought about how they count the amount of JW's in the Org. I just thought they kept numbers of all those that are baptised. However I read online somewhere that a 'prominent' JW said that the number of JW's is counted by the number of monthly reports going in. He said it was more important to count 'active' members than baptised members. Can't remember who said it as it wasn't important to me at the time. But now seeing all this about 3 and 5 years olds it does make me think how desperate the GB and the Org are. 
By the way, Srecko is right you completely miss the meaning of the scripture you used. The scripture is talking about adults lowering their pride and becoming like children. 
Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.” 
Jesus was usingthe young children as showing humility. But i don't expect you to understand that. 
@Outta Here  said "Rubbish! You're outside the camp, under reprimand.....accept it!"  
Wow see the humility there  NO................... Who is Srecko supposed to be 'under reprimand' by ? 
You see Outta Here, all that shows is you worship of the GB and it's JW Org. I see no signs that Srecko is not still a worshipper of God, therefore God, through Jesus Christ is judge, not you Outta Here.
Quote @Outta Here  "Oh come on please. How does this observation of the obvious show any kind of insight? They are just like you surely? Start off for whatever reasons, then fizzle out for whatever reasons. Just as the apostle John stated centuries ago."
Well no actually. Children born into JW families are forced to go to meetings and to 'pre-study' etc. It is difficult for parents and for the children. Meetings have gradually got shorter so it gets a bit easier of course. But assemblies are chaos, for parents and children alike. Please remember I had years in the JW Org, so I talk from some experience. Experience of seeing other parents struggling with children and having done so myself, with two families.... And having seen many teenagers leave the Org as soon as they were able.  
 
 

Perhaps he is trying to follow Christ’s path, and expose the lies and hypocrisy.  ❤️ Matt 3:1-3;John 8:44; 2 Cor 10:4-6
We don’t walk away “happy” from the organization. If your emotional and spiritual heart is ripped in two, it takes time to recover.  Matt 24:9,21, Luke 12:53  It takes time to start all over again, learning how we were stumbled, through scripture untainted by men’s doctrine.  It takes time to build a true relationship with the Father and Christ outside of men’s orchestrated doctrinal demands.  Eventually, faith and peace is achieved by understanding the true Shepherd is watching over his sheep, protecting them until he returns.  Matt 5:1-12; John 10:1-5; Luke 15:4-7

@TrueTomHarley  You know you may even be a good author, it's the way you twist things and use sarcasm to try to hide the truth.
Are you calling Queen Esther a liar ? And Jack also ?   Isn't the proof being put in front of your own eyes ? 
But, there is none so blind as those that do not want to see.  Keep selling your books Tom it's all you are really interested in anyway. 
But I think you've shot yourself in the foot by admitting this :-
Quote : Come, come, John. Around ten is the age that ones may present themselves for baptism, and mid-teens is more typical. Participation in the ministry can start earlier.
Witness HQ counts it by the number who are doing what the name says. How many are ‘witnessing’ for Jehovah? That will be revealed in how many report field service.
You have therefore confirmed what i said. Under 10 year olds can have a Field Service Report put in by their parents and it will be counted. And they start at 3 years old Tom. 
It's not about 'pumping up the numbers' Tom, it's about trying to hide how many are leaving the JW Org. 
Replacing the number of adults in the Org with children, by counting the children as proper JW's, and people outside will not know the difference. It's about 'show' Tom, and you know it. 
It's all a front. Pretending the JW Org is clean and pretending the JW Org has a healthy number of members. 
But it only works to fool those in the world that do not understand how bad the JW Org really is. 

Apples and oranges are blending together, causing a shakeup in the Watchtower,  It all relates to th same underlying problem.   
Come now.  When you face court battle after court battle over doctrine you had a share in instituting  which shields pedophiles, wouldn't you consider this as "trouble"?  
 
From a "human standpoint" I believe Christ's teachings as well as the apostles, were very sound.  I agree with you that the GB are not concerned with anything being sound from a human standpoint.  
Truth is very sound.  
Lies cause upheaval.
But you are to proclaim things consistent with sound teaching.  Titus 2:1
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,  they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Tim 6:3-5
For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 
According to your words, this time is here.  
Anna, I know you believe she is  "some crazy lady", but my intention was for anyone who would like to know more about the identities of Revelation's Beasts, could go to her blog.  I am fully aware that you are not the only reader here.   
 
 

Every person can act on his own to represent others, just as G. Jackson did.  No, he had nothing to do with the case and I don't believe Jackson had anything to do with the primary case in Australia.  He barely knew the case. 
It is always easier to run from trouble than to face what trouble may come.  
For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.  Rom 13:3
Think about the case.  Did the Watchtower "do what is good" to begin with?
What I notice Anna, you generally seem unfazed by scripture and its meaning.  I do hope that changes.   
Oh, yes.  It’s the job of I don’t know how many, Watchtower lawyers. The GB makes the doctrine, the elders uphold it whether it is sound from a human standpoint or not, and the lawyers step in to defend an illogical doctrine that has caused misery and havoc throughout the congregations. 
The WT:  “And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads. On its horns were ten crowns,and on its heads were blasphemous names.   The beast I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority.
 The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16;Eph 2:20-22) —those who dwell in heaven. (Heb 12:22) 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.
ws16 January p. 20
w02 8/1 p. 10-11
ws17 March p. 3
 It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. 8 All those who live on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the bookof life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
The GB:   Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (a false prophet; as if representing truth in Christ)    12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast on its behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 
w 14/5/15 p. 28,29 -  If we are to have Jehovah’s favor and blessing as individuals, we must support his organization and accept adjustments in our understanding of the Scriptures.
It deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that it is permitted to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image (The anointed reflect the “image” of God’s Temple; the elder body reflect the image of “Jehovah’s organization”.  Isa 40:25; 46:5) of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 It was permitted to give breath (spirit, life; “spirit-directed”) to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. (disfellowshipped)
w61 6/15 p. 371 - It is a serious thing to disfellowship a person, because it means that the person is cut off from God’s organization, from life. 
  They worshiped the dragon because he gave authority to the beast. And they worshiped the beast,
Kingdom Ministry 8/82 pg 1:  “Loyalty and godly devotion are essentials of true WORSHIP. (2 Tim. 2:19) Jehovah God rightly expects each of us to maintain a devoted attachment to him AND his visible earthly organization.”
saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to wage war against it?”  Rev 13:4
What a joy it is to be a part of Jehovah’s marvelous organization and to observe the vast difference between those serving Jehovah and those not serving him. w18 October pp. 17-21
There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization—God’s visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching “great tribulation.” You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 255
But Jehovah’s servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things.  W07/12/15 p. 14
 
Pearl Doxsey - Harlot and Beast, 4womaninthewilderness
 
 
 
 
 

God and Jesus Christ definitely don't, that's for sure . 
It's run by 8 men who are mainly american and mainly white. 
That tells a lot about an org. 

And i thought the Org had a clever legal system. They must have known they were breaking the Law. 
Trying to make dishonesty pay once again. They don't seem to learn much do they  

To the rest of you that feel the need to rally round and stick up for the ones you worship. The GB and it Org.
You are completely missing the point of this Watchtower. It is aimed at the Elders.
It is not so that congregants can know what to do. IT IS TO TELL THE ELDERS TO BACK OFF. TO TELL THE ELDERS. NOT TO TELL THE CONGREGANTS TO KEEP QUIET. 
BECAUSE IT SEEMS THE ELDERS WERE TELLING THE CONGREGANTS NOT TO REPORT THINGS TO THE POLICE OR THE AUTHORITIES. 
UNLESS AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU ARE CALLING ALL THE VICTIMS LIARS. 
And for the Kid, yes Kid experience is better than second hand information, but Kid i have both. 

@TrueTomHarley    Quote "I had you in mind when I wrote the above, John, and I honestly feel sorry for you."
Nice of you to think about me Tom. Thank you. But feeling sorry for someone is such a negative attitude, and in your case i feel the sorrow is not genuine. Why ? 
Quote "Though apparently wrapped in a newfound ‘personal relationship with Jesus,’ "  That is sarcasm Tom and shows your lack of 'feeling sorry for me'  I do not have a 'personal relationship with Jesus', nor do i pretend to have.  Can you quote me as saying that i have ? 
I have always thought that individuals should pray to God through Jesus Christ. And surely all Christians should pray in such a way on a daily basis ? I went into our back garden early this morning and put food out for the birds, and when birds arrived i thanked God for the happiness those birds bring to humans. Just watching those birds in the garden, such a simple thing, but it gives me such pleasure. Now God must have built that into humans to like or love animals / birds / creatures. So in that way you could say we all have a 'personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ', or would you not agree ? 
If you don't agree that people can have such a relationship with God and Christ then it seems as if you are saying that a person can only give praise twice a week, that being at JW meetings............. Now that creates a Clergy Class doesn't it ? 
But oh yes that reminds me Clergy Class, Clergy privilege. 
The clergy–penitent privilege, clergy privilege, confessional privilege, priest–penitent privilege, clergyman–communicant privilege, or ecclesiastical privilegeis a rule of evidence that forbids judicial inquiry into certain communications (spoken or otherwise) between clergy and members of their congregation.
I do believe that Elders are using this 'excuse' to refuse to give evidence in court cases. Am I right in this thinking ? 
But of course the JW Org does not have a 'Clergy Class' does it ? Contradiction i think. 
Quote " applying Christianity. "  That phrase means different things to different people Tom.  If all those Pedophiles in the JW Org had applied Christianity then all the aforementioned on this topic would not exist. 
 

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Hermano, deja que el incrédulo tenga su día. No vale la pena el tiempo que se imprime. La mentalidad apóstata es lo que el diablo apoya.

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Poor old Tom. He makes statements that he cannot prove. He paints all ex-JW's with the same colour as he is too frightened to look at them as being individuals. He generalises so much that he makes himself look stupid. 
And for an author that wants to be taken seriously he really lets himself down with his over emotional rant. 
Anyone taking Tom seriously and anyone believing Tom's words needs to get back into the real world. 
It would be too easy to shoot Tom down on what he has written above, but for those that want to believe Tom it would not make any difference. It looks to be out of emotional guilt that he needed to write so much. Poor Tom.