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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    You left me hanging there.  Not sure what your point is.  Jesus Christ is the “High Priest” of God’s priesthood.  Heb 7:26,27
    You really believe Christ expected them to OBEY these traditions of men when he said, “come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden”?  He specifically told his disciples, “They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.
    Does God and Jesus suggest us to ingest the “leaven” of false teachers?  Matt 16:6   Teaching anything beyond scripture is the sign of a false teacher.  You do know what John the Baptist preached about?
     In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” 3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying:
    “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
    ‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
    Make His paths straight.’ ”  Matt 3:1-3
    He told all of them, “bear fruits worthy of repentance”.  If we repent from following traditions of men who lay unnecessary burdens on us, does this mean we are to keep following them?  ADDITION - does this mean we are to obey the those additional traditions and laws that are a 'heavy load'? 
    “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!35 See, your house is abandoned to you. I tell you, you will not see me until the time comes when you say,’ Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord’!” Luke 13:34,35
    The apostles came on the scene, teaching truth from Christ.  The entire Jewish system of that day lost God's favor with the coming of Christ; yet, they were the first to be given the opportunity to gain life through him - if they obeyed HIS teachings.  This is our choice today; we either continue following men and their added burdens of lies, or we repent and follow Christ.  
    The traditions, added laws of men are “not the entire word of God”.    They are not scripture. 
    Regarding Hebrews 13:17, it refers to those within the anointed Body of Christ - his priesthood.  1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 13:15 Who were the early leaders?  Primarily, at that time they were the foundation of the Body/Temple - the apostles who directed or led people to Christ. Yes, being a "leader" is a noted gift within the anointed priesthood.  Rom 12:8   Their entire message was about Christ, "leading" people to him.    
    The organization’s leaders are the image of the Pharisees, setting up their own regulations far from the commandments of God; and like the Pharisees , the GB/elder body “lead” people away from Jesus Christ, to an idol – organization - today's "Jewish" system of corruption.  Mal 3:1-3; Rev 13:5-8
    The law is summed in one word, love.  “Heavy burdens” of men’s rules and regulations do not reflect love.   Matt 22:37-40; Gal 5:14
     
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Well the Watchtower / GB / JW Org certainly do the equivalent of offering children in the fire to Molech, with their protection of pedophiles in the Org.  
    And the GB / Org do put the Elders in place of the Anointed. So yes Billy your Watchtower Society do worship false gods and you worship the Watchtower.  
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    According to scripture, what is the Body of Christ - who comprise it?
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Good question .... and the answer should use some common sense in addition to being provable.
    OTHERWISE, the answer will have no value whatsoever.
    ..... merely someone's opinion.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    @Witness The scriptures you have quoted convince me even more that the Greek scriptures were written to and for the Anointed only. It is my opinion that only the Anointed can fully understand God's written word. 
    As for Billy the child, no hope remains it seems  
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Some people will always live in a fantasy construct, made of words. 
    When I was a small boy for me it was Superman Comics, and TV show.  I would wear a towel as a cape, fastened with a clothes pin, and look for things to jump off of,
    One time I jumped off a back yard furnace oil tank, into a pile of broken cola bottles, barefooted.
    My Uncle tightly rolled me up in a blanket to extract the glass from my bloodied, lacerated feet.
    I hope that Billy's continuous leaping to agenda driven conclusions will not be as bloodied, or as painful, as my experience.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Cool your jets a bit.
    John 2:19-22 -  Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
    20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
    The Body of Christ = the temple
    Matt 16:18 - And I tell you that you are Peter ( for rock), and on this rock ("large rock", "a mass of stones") I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
    Church:  ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.
    Would he build his “church” from those who were not ‘called out’, as the apostles were?  Jesus laid the foundation as the chief cornerstone of the new Temple/Body.  The foundation stones were the apostles and prophets. 
    All who were called out are considered “stones”/”rock”. 
    Rom 1:1 - Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
    Rom 1:7 - To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Eph 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling
    Rev 17:14 - They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
    This is the “144,000” priests/kings of God. The anointed ones.
    1 Pet 2:5,9 - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ("I will build my church")
    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
    The “spiritual house” built of stones is the Temple of God. It is the church/Body.
    You, are adding those to the “church” who are not “living stones” of the Body of Christ.
    It is clear in scripture that the anointed are this “church” – “spiritual house” – TEMPLE of God.
    2 Cor 6:16 - What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
    Again, the temple is built of “stones”, and the stones are the royal priesthood, which comprise the Body of Christ.
    1 Cor 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your bodyand in your spirit, which are God’s.
    The royal priesthood is God’s “spiritual house”, His dwelling place. ("I will walk among them")
    1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
    Eph 2:19-22 - Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. ("I will build my church")
    The “saints” are built on Christ’s Body, creating a Temple of “living stones”. 
    The purpose?  To serve the rest of the children in God’s Kingdom.  So, step back and take a look at what God is building.  He is refining and forming a people for Himself to serve the greater needs of His children to come.  They must prove themselves worthy enough to be be found faithful and able to serve as God's priests; who, in the early temple arrangement, always served and taught the people of Israel.  Mal 2:7  Yes, they will be Christ’s “kings” – righteous kings, who direct and teach God’s children in love, just as their High Priest/King/Head of the Body.  
    Romans 12 describes the anointed as individual members of Christ’s Body.    
    As does 1 Cor 12:
    For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many. 1 Cor 12:12,13
    What did Jesus say his Body was? 
    John 2:21 - But the temple he had spoken of was his body
    It is the Temple of “living stones” – the royal priesthood.
    “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    That you may know and believe Me,
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    Nor shall there be after Me.  Isa 43:10
     
     
     
     
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Because those not of the anointed are supposed to say "We will go with you people because God is with you people" 
    It's not that we would serve men, but i do believe that God will give information through men. (Not the GB of JW Org)
    I've said many times before that the Bible was not written for those who are not Anointed.  It was written for the Anointed. 
    There is a scripture somewhere that says 'they' won't have to be taught, because it will automatically be in their hearts. 
    Hence the anointed will teach others. But in my humble opinion, God has not yet made it known who those Anointed are. 
    That is one reason I think we are a long way from Judgement Day. God has much work to do yet to make His people known to all the Earth. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    I would have thought the simple answer would be, The Anointed. 
    But the difficult bit is knowing who the anointed are. 
    Which brings me back to 'Ten men clinging to the robe of a Jew'  How are we supposed to know who the spiritual Jew is ? 
  10. Haha
    BillyTheKid46 reacted to TrueTomHarley in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    It was a printers’ error. I meant it to say “TrueTom vs the Misunderstood Guys”
    Having used the A-word a few times prominently, the book mostly discards it in favor of the verses I quoted above,
    One place that I do not is an early chapter with the title Who Are the Apostates?
    https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/01/who-are-the-apostates.html
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Why don't you just say where you are "going with this", Billy?
    "Follow the Money"?

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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to TrueTomHarley in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    You may not have noticed, but I seldom even call them apostates, especially when they are young. Can a twenty-something really be an apostate?  They have not yet earned the word. Sometimes I call them “apostates-in-training.” Nor do I say that they are necessarily wrong in all they say. As one elder once said to me: “Some of these brothers are so narrow-minded that you could put out their eyes with a shrimp fork.” If you happened to get caught in the cross-fire of such persons, you  might well go online and talk about “the absurdities of [your] experiences,” as the philly.com reporter put it. One can always respond, as I do, that if they carry on about “the absurdities of their experiences,” maybe it is that they remained too shallow to ever experience the real thing. Still, it is a test to get caught up in some of the oddball things that have happened.
    Increasingly, I like instead to just think of some as do certain scriptures: “Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ.” (Colossians 2:8)
    And
    “For there are many, I used to mention them often but now I mention them also with weeping, who are walking as the enemies of the torture stake of the Christ,  and their finish is destruction, and their god is their belly, and their glory consists in their shame, and they have their minds upon things on the earth.” (Philippians 3:19)
    or say what happened to them is what happened to good ol Demas: “Demas has forsaken me because he loved the present system of things.” (2 Timothy 4:10)
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    I see Billy continues to amuse us. Poor Billy forgets, or wants to hide the facts that the GB / JW Org / Watchtower twists the meanings of scripture to suit their own ends..
    This generation will not pass away, twisted how many times ? What is it now a generation on top of a generation possibly maybe ? Oh dear. 
    Superior authorities scripture changed how many times ?  Of course it was changed to give power to the society when they wanted more power over people and it took away the idea of people having their own conscience.
    But of course Billy doesn't want to know that. 
    And of course we have the terrible misuse of the Two Witness rule, just to hide Pedophiles in the JW Org and to pretend the Org is clean. 
    Come on Billy, there are the things Jesus condemned the Pharisees for.  
    And the point where you pretend to be a JW but will not use the NWT, well I think that speaks for itself. If you were a true JW then I'm sure you would support the Org's translation of the Holy Scriptures. 
    Have a good day Billy, but you do seem so confused  
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Srecko Sostar in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg
    Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 
    Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.
    Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: 
    Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified. 
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Wow this is all so funny. Billy thinks it is ok for a Witness to use things that seem to pretend they are scripture when those people whom he serves (the GB and it's Writing department) say those things are not scripture.  So then billy thinks that makes him "more of a witness" by using 'fake scripture'. 
    Oh dear, when we think on scripture it should make us humble not 'exalt ourselves'. (Matt 23 v 12 )
    For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
    I think Billy is showing his true colours now. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Meeting the Circuit Overseer in the Parking Lot   
    How many times has scripture been misapplied here?
    Not as many times as it has been misapplied by the Society, GB and Writing dept' of the JW Org. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Meeting the Circuit Overseer in the Parking Lot   
    I mentioned this same fact a long time ago but folks turned against me on it, saying it was me that was obsessed with it..
     However I'm glad you have reintroduced the point.
    Thank you JTR Jr.
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Meeting the Circuit Overseer in the Parking Lot   
    I would have thought with sex education in schools as it is, JW's would not need the deep precise details that the GB loves going into. The scriptures you quoted do the job just fine on their own. 
    It seems the GB even go OTT by saying if a man and a woman are alone in a house together, they must be having sex. No 'two witnesses' needed. 
    But they don't seem to say if two brothers or two sisters are in a house together that they are having sex, i wonder why ?
    Well it was you that mentioned Sodom and Gommora. 
  19. Haha
    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Srecko Sostar in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Read, please, WT published material for latest 140 years and you will find examples.... :)) ....even without my help.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Srecko Sostar in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Which laws JW's have to obey today ? Laws set by GB? Or Jw's need to imitate Jesus and BREAKING provisional Laws set forth by GB?
    This was told before cca 2000 years. I suppose how today Jesus would modified a little his words and say:
    Do not practice whatever they tell you that you must obey and doing. First you have to check what they are talking about and why. If you are not sure, then come to me and ask me about. I will help you with your questions. For false messiahs and false prophets performing great signs and wonders to deceive".   
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Is this really the best you can come up with child ? Oh it's kid isn't it, well same thing. 
    The GB wouldn't know Christ's standards if he punched them on the nose.  Once again you worship your GB. 
    What have i taught myself ? Well I've taught myself that honesty is important to God even though your GB don't think it is. 
    I've taught myself that just as Christ values people's lives and cares about them, then so should I, even if your GB doesn't care about people but only cares about themselves and the business / JW Org. 
    I've taught myself not to fear men, even though the Elders of JW  congregations try to 'lord it over them' and to bully the congregants.
    I've taught myself to think for myself instead of just being a puppet to the GB and it's Org like you are. 
    But you are a blind worshipper of the GB, so there is no point talking sense to you as you cannot understand it. 
  22. Haha
    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    ... i need a beer, just thinking about all of that....
  23. Haha
    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    You have taste buds in your laughed-off head decapitated funnel-fed  throat?
    WOW!  -- The mental image of that is just staggering to behold!
    .... if someone pours soapy water down your funnel ... can you blow bubbles?
    Now THERE is a YouTube Video I would pay $2.99 to see!
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    At least I'm facing the truth of what happened, whilst you are still hiding behind the GB lies. 
    Maybe that just means i am mentally / emotionally stronger that you are.  I don't need that crutch any more. 
    As for having 'new found peers', do I ? I don't think so. However you seem to think you know better. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    What about if they were mistreating CHILDREN ?  
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