BillyTheKid46

That will be great! Can't wait to hear what he says.
That would be great too! Thanks! I was wondering about the cost, I didn't think of Google phone etc. The hall I posted the telephone number to is actually the same hall we have been discussing on here, and the one with the flag pole you posted a street view of. There are two English congs. that meet there. The Vina del Mar, and Santiago. But you probably already know that.
P.S. Ignore the previous. I did another check, and it actually looks like the KH with the flag on Manuel Antonio Matta 2925, Viña del Mar, Valparaíso, is no longer there. At least it's not on jw.org "find a meeting". At first it looked like it was, but then I checked again, this time looking at the map on the right, and it does not indicate a hall there.... So the English congs. are actually on 2 Oriente 1076 VIÑA DEL MAR . It looks pretty posh compared to the one on Manuel Antonio Matta. I didn't notice a flag pole. 
 

Since you have libeled me, please indulge a little in-kind response, at least in tone.
I was in the Congo, years ago, and at the Branch Office on the Aveneuda des Eleephants the Brothers would get a letter from anywhere in Zaire, as it was then called, in any one of perhaps 50 different languages, the offical national language being French, and the Branch Office reply staff primarily English.   I was there, I slept there, and mowed the lawn, and packed boxes while waiting for a flight back to the United States..  They had many little black Brothers who spoke several languages, and sometimes a letter was translated  five times from the source language to the target language. The reply was composed, and it was translated back the OTHER way.
If the original query was in Swahelli, Tshiluba, French or English, Spanish, Vietnamese, or what have you ... the reply was sent in the originating language.  Nobody forced anyone Billy.   If I replied to you here in Standard Klingon, your point there would have validity. 
IMNSHO, you points rarely have validity, on any level, because they are based on your agenda of defending the indefensible.
Then why spend Elementary School, Middle School, High School, and College studying how do do grammer well, and express yourself clearly and unambiguously?
There is a whole different level of skills needed to convey complex, nuanced ideas correctly.  The results of YOUR philosophy is the apex of human communications would be " ... you want Fries, with that order?", and then give the wrong change.
Billy, what you say is drivel, as it is based on agenda driven policy and misplaced loyalties.  Your loyalty and concern is defending the indefensible, when you are plain, flat wrong.
A PERFECT example of this is your quote ...
" ... I would say 98.8% of the Watchtower stuff on the internet is fake. The remaining 1.2% is misrepresented or misinterpreted by people such as you, James, Witness, and many others that are fake members or members in name only"
A perfect defense for my accusation will be you to tell us, HOW DID YOU GET THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS?  
You are living in a fantasy world of your own construct, Billy.
This means, that your OPINIONS are NOT based on fact, and your opinions are completely irrelevant.
 

Thanks for respond and expressed thoughts.  
I am aware that about some issues, elder body bring that in front congregation (and suggesting expected outcome too) and about some other they alone making decision as in this question. So we can ask question: what kind of arrangement is in Congregation, Is it Hierarchy by Position and Duties, Is it Democracy with votes, Is it Theocracy and God's spirit is power who guide personal and collective decision on some higher level , or is it something else?
I ask this, because some issues in congregation are handled exactly by Votes of all baptized congregants. In the same time there is also questions that is matter of interest for all members but elders body not making matter public, to make Resolution, but they push own decision. This i see as discrepancy and intended changing of rules of those who have power when they see  it is in their "interest" or if they perhaps not have "faith" in members.    
In last sentence you mentioned how they will take in account conscience of others. This is possible to found or to get to know by; Voting system or by Referendum or by some sort of Survey. 
Letter from HQ say nothing about this, but put on elders body exclusivity to decide. Well again, what sort of system is Congregation? Religious/democracy shape where people sometimes have privilege to vote and sometimes they don't? Management established by WT HQ in Elders body structure? Theocratic structure where all persons making unite decision UNDER lead of holy spirit?  Or something else?  

I've seen this letter before. In my opinion it looks genuine. 

One more thing, Allen.  Deception begets deception. I see "Billy the Kid" has adopted the easy path of deception that his leaders have taught him.  

Agenda driven thinking is ALWAYS delusional ... whether you are on the "outside looking in" ... or the "inside looking out".
WDS - the sword that cuts BOTH ways.

I've explained this a while ago pertaining to the early church in relation to Scripture and the Didache, as well as such in regards to Salvation, I believe this was talked about to you several times. Even before them, before us, there were people of God who are of this church, the same one that Jesus has built, same teachings, same practices, etc. all intact. A Christian would not be concerning of preaching the gospel if they believe that only they themselves would be saved, otherwise that would be hypocritical, hence why Christians will preach the gospel to the people, and this is an example in which we see with what took place during and after Pentecost, perhaps even Jesus and the Samaritan woman as read in John 4.
For someone such as yourself to claim you are anointed, yet water down Christ's Kingship and butcher God's order of things, you cannot be taken seriously. Not to mentioned, you be very, very aware of the connection between Christians and the church of the Christ, and those of whom who heed the word.
Hypocritical, is all that can be said. But surely one among the Firstfruits should have seen that one coming.
That being said, God is merciful and such mercy is extended to all persons, God knows who is and who is not for him. There are those out there who still needs to know what the gospel is, and clearly, so what are you doing to help such ones?
The church itself is of the Christ, built by him. I advise you not to forget what that is, and what it means.

You may have photos, but you don't know who put the flag there...do you? Makes me think the same group that took the pictures perhaps....?

I don't know anything other than what was in the news several years ago ... that on a particular national holiday, Chile requires  Churches to display the National Flag for that day on their building or flag poles ... and the Elders put one inside the building, showing through the windows, and put one on a flag pole (what's a Kingdom Hall doing with a flag pole ...anyway..?), to avoid paying a fine, somewhere around $240.
I have several photos on my hard drive somewhere, from several angles.
That's all I know.

@BillyTheKid46 It only gets wilder. This is why Charlatans make good Christians look bad. They taint the church, they taint the Bible, they taint God's order of things, etc.
 

@BillyTheKid46 Which proves my point for these past view years. Bystanders will succumb to vigilante justice and will go about violence of people, even the abusers themselves. Such actions is looked down upon for those who are truly fighting against child abuse without bloodying the water. Aside from that, these same people who do not out to go about combating child abuse are promoting child abuse indirectly, saying an institution is a hive, a paradise, or open to pedophilia, they are only giving word to ear to abusers to go to those institutions, and it plays into corrupt justice whereas those who people cry to in regards to child abuse are some how in it themselves; the whole double standard thing.

I see scriptures that support every idea mentioned.

WT is 140 years in wilderness now. All that period they "rowing", from 1879 - 2019, as G.L. proclaimed on JWTV
IF WTBTS  IS God's chosen nation, they have not much hope and chance to survive. Think a little about history lessons and experience of Old Israel Nation. Their Nation and later Kingdom was always in some problems. Civil Wars inside and Wars on boarders. Always turbulent problems about worshiping, idolatry, morality.  Alliances with other nations and subordination to other superpowers. Exiles and re turnings. Losing Kingdom and Land. Repeatedly rejected by God. 
What WTBTS inc. have that is above this all? Above the historical and spiritual legacy that this organization claim of self to have as heritage all way along in past to/from Jesus and Abraham?    

The Kid makes me think of an example.
A man is arrested for murder. The murder is proved beyond doubt. But, the man says,' IS have murdered many more people than I have'.
Then the man says ' Hitler was responsible for millions of murders'. 
'So on that account', the man says, 'I must be innocent, because no one is perfect, and I have done less harm than most' 'So I should be set free' the man says. 
This seems to be the Kid's way of thinking, and the way of many others too. 
I've said so many times before, did the priests of the Nation of Israel say' But we didn't offer as many children in the fire to Molech as the other nations did'. 
Unfortunately most of you are looking at the problem from 'mans' viewpoint. You are making excuses just as any sinner would. 
You are not looking at the whole situation from God's way of thinking.
God needs to have a CLEAN HONEST SINCERE LOVING ORGANISATION. 
JW ORG is NOT the Org it needs to be. It cannot serve God properly the way it is. 
Perhaps that's why Armageddon has been delayed, maybe no one is worth saving right now.
Remember that the Nation of Israel was supposed to enter the Promised Land much sooner than they did. 
They were not worthy so had to spend forty years in the wilderness.
I wonder how long God will keep people in the 'wilderness' this time. Until He is satisfied that some are serving Him properly that's for sure. 
This 'mini revolution' within the JW Org could be the turning point. It could wake up the sleeping Anointed ones. Then God could get on with His work.
Yes I know God could do it all on His own if He wanted to, but He wants people to serve Him willingly and honestly.  
 

Oh dear Billy is throwing his toys out of his prama gain. 
I have no interest in what worldly governments led by Satan are doing.  The JW Org is supposed to be NO PART OF THE WORLD.... 
My interest is in ordinary people. Mainly working class and lower class people. People that have not got money or power nor a good education, and basically have to do as they are told by secular laws, police, big business bosses, et al. 
Jesus was interested in those people that were down trodden and poor. Those people that were 'walked over' by the religious leaders of the Nation of Israel. 
I see you've given me another title. It must make you feel so grand being able to dish out titles to people. 'Oh yes we'll just put another label on him'... So funny Kid. 
But with all all the worldly info' you spout, it does not detract from the truth about JW Org. JW Org is rigged and it's faulty according to James. I would call it a lot worse, but being polite I'll just say it is, hypocritical and disgusting, and full of lies and false teachings, and run by men that think they are important. 
 
 
 

Awhile back, I think we had LOOOong discussions about this, and as a retired Engineer who worked with risk assessment in the real world, and had to quantify it with numbers ( How MUCH, and to how many decimal places... ?), I agreed with I think it was TTH's comment and analysis that, yes we DO have the same problems as everyone else ... but it is less than 10% of ANYBODY else.
ANYBODY else.
That is why, I truly believe ... and THEREFORE .... Jehovah's Witnesses are "The Only Game in Town".
Sure, it's rigged ... and faulty ... but all the others are so much worse.
If you are careful, you can eat three day old meat that has been out in the sun ... if you have experience.
The alternative is to starve, or get poisoned.
 
 

and Jehovah really does have a Congregational Arrangement, and Jehovah's Witnesses , globally, "ARE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN!" 
Oh dear are you suffering from shell shock or something.
If an Organisation needs to be run on lies and deceit by a group of 8 Americans (basically), then in my opinion it is not God's Organisation.  
And if they need to replace the Anointed by using Elders who are not spirit anointed then how is that right ?
And I will stick to my personal idea that, as the scriptures were written with the guidance of Holy Spirit, and as the Bible was 'put together' by means of Holy Spirit, then it can only be fully understood by God supplying His Holy spirit through Jesus Christ. So if the GB are not inspired of God's Holy spirit it gives very good reason that they cannot understand the scriptures and therefore get many things wrong. 
JW's follow 8 men and it's writing department and it's legal department.
The Elders serve as puppets to the GB and act as policemen to the congregation with the intention of making the JW Org look clean. Unfortunately the 'bowl' is only washed on the outside, so inside it's still filthy. 
And this is your 'Only Game In town' ? 
Then may God have mercy on the human race. 

All you said is true .. BUT ... all men are fallible, and even hardened combat soldiers  whose determination is to be steadfast, loyal, courageous, faithful and discreet  reach the limits of what they are ABLE to do ... and crumble and fall.
... been there ... done that.
Seen it many times in many places.
Not every conscientious soldier can be like the fictional John Rambo, and it is unrealistic to assume anything close to that.
That is why, while acknowledging all that has been talked about here in the last ten years, and more, is mostly true ... Justice requires OUR mercy and understanding when our "Drill Sergeants", and "Officer's Corps" get us and our friends killed because they were not as good at what they claimed to want to be.
Nobody is.  
Not You, Not me, not anybody.
My Uncle Bill was shot from behind in North Korea in the 1950's by his own men, and three 50 caliber machine gun bullets almost tore his left arm off, which was one massive scar.
Making weak, wimpy decisions based on fear of an endless list of things ... IS WHAT WE DO!
That is why I stick with Jehovah's Witnesses ... not because of the phony crap and self serving self aggrandizement of the leadership, that looks like a clown car that has run off the road and into a tree ... It's because the core Theology is TRUE ... and Jehovah really does have a Congregational Arrangement, and Jehovah's Witnesses , globally, "ARE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN!"
FROM THE BOTTOM UP,  we have to show THEM mercy and understanding, even when they royally screw up.. (John 9:41).
Remember, Jehovah "tolerated" a whole dedicated nation of Jews, his "special possession", to get completely over run with pagan practices and dishonesty, before it finally reached a certain point, that "enough was enough!."
Justice must be tempered with mercy for blind guides who do not fight well when the enemy is engaged.
Everyone does what we know ... and nobody is good at everything.
A clumsy dentist is often better than no dentist., but ....
STUFF HAPPENS
(paraphrased)
 
 
 

the Watchtower hides things. When that is proven false 
Has it been proven false ?   
Then why did the GB / Legal dept refuse to hand over all of the twenty years worth of Child Abuse accusations in the USA ?
They didn't say those documents didn't exist, they just refused to hand them over. 
Now, whether they needed legally to hand those documents over or not, the point was proven that those documents existed. So that is hidden information. 
And didn't the Charity commision find things out on their investigation hee in the UK ? And didn't the UK branch/ hq/ bethel try to stop the Charity Commision from doing it's investigation ? So wasn't the UK bethel/hq trying to hide things ? 
And isn't the IICSA going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's ?  Why would they bother if they didn't think there were things being hidden ? 
And in other countries groups such as Reclaimed Voices are pushing for more investigations.
I think there is a lot more muck going to be dug out of the JW Org over this year. 
Too bad that you cannot see that the GB are not the 'faithful and discreet slave' that they pretend to be. 
They not only hide things from the public, they also hide things from the congregants. 
11.35pm. Good night from the pleasant countryside of Devon England  

Now there's the rub 
 

A man who giggles at the seriousness and the gravity of such situations is not a man to be taken seriously. For me, this is how I always see.
That being said, things are back to square 1 when it was said months ago, not a whole lot of people are familiar with secular law in regards to child abuse. AT LEAST make the effort to look at the basics about the Law, but as much as you advise and suggest that, they ignore it. Hence why, as those who truly fight child abuse, consider such ones contributors of the problem, which is evident in recent weeks pertaining to that of child abuse as a whole.

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Oh. Unless he means the hehehehe:)))))))
But I have not thought that attributed to a language or grammar barrier.

I think BillytheKid46 was referring to "Ho Ho Ho Ho:  - -   - -  - -  - -  - - ", followed by "Bah!, Humbug!"

... of course, and WT is also one of the system players with or without implemented secular or non secular laws and procedures and all possible interpretations of that laws, regulations, internal and outside rules.
All that makes them, WTJWorg, as any other Organization. Worldly or Divinely, all failed. And all of them have strong tendency, intention to hide own wrongs. Hide own but to point with finger on other Organizations.
WT publications has many articles about, for example Catholic Church, and child abuse made by priests (not need to mention many emphasized things about "spiritual adultery", revealed by WT, about Roman Church and others churches. What Catholic magazine, or from some other religious org., systematically, for decades "attacks" WTJWorg? I am not reader of any religious publications today. In past i was reading only WT magazines, because it was and it is forbidden by WT to have and to read any other, different religious material that is not published by WT.