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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Isn't there something in the Bible about reaping what you sow?
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
You know that, do you?
You're wrong. I told you earlier: Greenlees was a pedophile in 1964 when he was appointed a Director, and before that according to one of his child victims, Mark Palo, who has put his story online. Greenlees was 72 when he was forced off the GB. Pedophiles don't start up at age 72 -- they just keep doing what they've long been doing. And even back in 1984 it was well known that pedophiles are never cured.
Furthermore, if holy spirit had anything to do with the Governing Body -- which formed the judicial committee that found Greenlees guilty of child molestation -- it would never have 'directed' Nathan Knorr to appoint Greenlees as Director in the first place, or it would have seen to it that Greenlees was not appointed a GB member in 1971, or that he was removed long before 1984.
This all proves that holy spirit has nothing to do with appointing the elders of the Governing Body, and by extension, any other elders.
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AlanF reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Do we have any statistic on this: how many leaders inside JW's are abusers, and how many leaders not reporting??
WT Organization PR decide to tell minimum words, and best words for doing so is to reverse the meaning of the charge. Victims and ex-JW put issue on how elders not reporting CSA cases to police and secular authorities and have internal Judging Committees. This JW elders act in a way that is not proactive for victims but contrary, it helps abusers to stay unknown not only to JW population in particular congregation, but to all other who need to know about issue. By such WT policy, danger for children inside and outside JW community come to be higher.
Bro SL gave public statement, on JW National TV, “we abhor child sexual abuse”. In this PR statement he didn't say how WT Society and elders do it (abhor) and handle with CSA cases, but general statement, about general truth. Because whole world, religious and secular doing the same about the same - "abhor".
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Way too specific. Real Soon Now or Just Around the Corner are better.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
What are the units of holy spirit? Cubic meters? Gallons? What?
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Srecko Sostar said:
The Governing Body is assisted in many ways by the "Governing Body Helpers", which in the early 1990s was a newly created 'class' of Christians called the "Nethinim". Yes, there is a Watchtower article on this.
These helpers, in reality, run the JW organization, but with input from the actual GB.
This notion of "quantity of holy spirit" is completely unscriptural and ridiculous on its face. Many JWs, in public prayer, might say something like, "O Jehovah, please give us a double portion of your holy spirit." What? As if God's holy spirit is quantifiable like measuring water in a cooking pot? Please!
Do you see what I mean?
"Yesterday Jehovah gave my congregation two liters of holy spirit!"
"Well the day before yesterday he gave mine five liters of holy spirit!"
Because JHVH spirit can't make such mistakes because of my perception how JHVH spirit is absolute in this context. If i believe in wrong premises than that is my problem :)))
This is one place where JWs go royally astray in their thinking.
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AlanF reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Sorry but you are wrong in this thinking. JW members not separating spiritual and literal Organization. Because that is one and the same in their thinking. They consider JHVH asOwner or Master of One Organization in Spiritual and Earthly place, not two. Because JHVH love Unity :)))
If i am correct in thinking, this 8 men running all job, governing how all work should be done and giving complete direction to JW organization :))
On question answer is: No, they didn't get enough spirit. Because JHVH spirit can't make such mistakes because of my perception how JHVH spirit is absolute in this context. If i believe in wrong premises than that is my problem :)))
On second quote: Agree, spirit doesn't work on our terms. (Perhaps spirit can and doing in "adaptable manner" because spirit have to deal with blood and flesh and bones in us). But on other part of thinking if we accept your good statement, than GB are not entitled to speaking about one and only "Channel of Communication", because spirit not work in GB terms. Spirit can give "communication" to other sort of channels too, because spirit work on own terms not on ours. :))
On third quote: I will just add to your fine words. Spirit knows When and How .... and to Whom.
Waiting for your thoughts :))
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AlanF got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
See where failing to read posts gets you? You have no clue what you're talking about.
If you read my posts -- as I just suggested and you've refused -- you'll find that I certainly use "reason and logic and common sense", but along with that I use "disparaging personal insults" whenever I find a poster lying, misrepresenting, disparaging, ignoring, or otherwise deliberately trying to throw the discussion off the track.
What's wrong with that? Isn't that what Jesus did with the lying Pharisees? "Vipers . . ." Or maybe you don't think Jesus is a good model.
Again, do you expect me to be a better Christian than the hypocritical clowns?
I always try to destroy the arguments, but when it's called for, the liars, too. Often there's no difference with deliberate liars. Remember, I've been dealing with these types for nearly 30 years, and from experience I know that taking a hard line with liars is the most effective. Sometimes telling them to their face that they're a liar eventually gets them to think, and quit lying.
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AlanF got a reaction from John Paul ll in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
The Librarian said to James Thomas Rook:
You might look into the BB software that runs on this board:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/
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AlanF got a reaction from Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Witness said:
Let me clear this up. The first use I'm aware of comes from the Society itself:
The May 1, 1957 Watchtower said (p.274):
<< If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother. >>
This makes for a truly excellent taunt because the idea expressed is so cultish.
TrueTomHarley's comment that this is my taunt is true in the sense that I often use it to taunt braindead JWs, but I've used the quote several times in this thread and many times in old threads. TTH's failure to reveal what he clearly knows is the source is, as usual, thoroughly dishonest.
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AlanF reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Simply because of the term you have used…”mommy Watchtower”, and what it has to offer.
Someone commented on a video made of the construction of Warwick, that if the name “Jehovah” were to be replaced by “Watchtower” in the comments made, the JW god is revealed.
Examples:
“THE fine progress being made at the construction site of the new world headquarters in Warwick, New York, is certainly evidence of Jehovah’s backing and support.”
THE fine progress being made at the construction site of the new world headquarters in Warwick, New York, is certainly evidence of Watchtower’s backing and support. yb16 pp. 18-19
Back to 1983:
“Nevertheless, 10,468 gathered at the nearby Warwick Farm racetrack to hear a program that gave encouragement to press on with the expansion of Jehovah’s work during these “last days.”
Nevertheless, 10,468 gathered at the nearby Warwick Farm racetrack to hear a program that gave encouragement to press on with the expansion of Watchtower’s work during these “last days.” w83 8/1 pp. 28-31
This entirely explains why the organization is now building a mega media center when it is also taught that Armageddon is imminent at the same moment in time. Would the true God offer us such a confusing message, or would it be Satan, the master of confusion and deceit? (Rev 16:13,14) This should cause every JW concern for what they are slaving for. (Matt 6:24; Rom 1:25; 6:16) Watchtower’s work must push on in the earthly realm of Satan. If Armageddon was so imminent, the anointed would not be slaving for the work of man’s hands. (2 Cor 6:16) They would be preparing their hearts for the Kingdom to come and serving only one Master. (Rev 2:20; 3:1-3, 15-18) Their focus would not be on investing their money and time into earthly pie-in-the-sky developments.
Solomon was blessed with wisdom and material riches. Yet he said,
I increased my achievements. I built houses and planted vineyards for myself. 5 I made gardens and parks for myself and planted every kind of fruit tree in them. 6 I constructed reservoirs of water for myself from which to irrigate a grove of flourishing trees. 7 I acquired male and female servants and had slaves who were born in my house. I also owned many herds of cattle and flocks, more than all who were before me in Jerusalem. 8 I also amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces. I gathered male and female singers for myself, and many concubines, the delights of men. 9 So I became great and surpassed all who were before me in Jerusalem; my wisdom also remained with me. 10 All that my eyes desired, I did not deny them. I did not refuse myself any pleasure, for I took pleasure in all my struggles. This was my reward for all my struggles. 11 When I considered all that I had accomplished and what I had labored to achieve, I found everything to be futile and a pursuit of the wind. There was nothing to be gained under the sun.
Then I turned to consider wisdom, madness, and folly, for what will the man be like who comes after the king? He will do what has already been done. 13 And I realized that there is an advantage to wisdom over folly, like the advantage of light over darkness.
14 The wise man has eyes in his head,
but the fool walks in darkness.” Eccl 2:4-14
Just like the majority of JWs, the anointed in the organization are also swept up by what their “god” offers – peace and security, even prominence in the organization, while convinced they are doing God's will. (1 Thess 5:3) When Israel went into exile in Babylon for their idolatry (2 Chron 36:14-16) many didn’t care to leave after the 70 years had passed. They treasured the life they had built for themselves. Leaving it all behind didn’t sound like a good proposition. That would mean leaving their cultivated land, friends and possibly family members. After all, Babylon was a beautiful place to live in and very progressive for its time.
However, there were those who mourned over their captivity and the destruction of God’s Temple. They perceived their own wickedness. Most likely they were among those who left when God gave the order to restore Jerusalem through Cyrus. (Ps 137; Ezra 1:2; 2 Chron 36:22,23)
Despite what man achieves in the world, Satan has authority over the world. (John 12:31) It brings with it, the promise of death. (Isa 28:18; Luke 4:5-8) WT’s focus is what can be accomplished through whatever the world of Satan has to offer.
Christ is simply, light and life; and he offers the promise of life if and only if, we choose that simple route God has provided us through His son’s sacrifice. (2 Cor 11:1-4)
Today’s “Babylon” is a spiritual captivity that again takes God’s people captive – God’s “Israel”. They are surrounded by “foreigners” in a delusion of “peace and security” that is in reality ,the promise of darkness and death. They have been overcome by a “Gentile” power that rules over them – the elders who can judge them as “dead” for rejecting the idol, and their subtle accusations (from the "accuser") by words stated in the magazines listed previously. But JWs take it with a grain of salt, fully accepting the words of men over the words of God. (Num 3:10; Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-9, 15) We are warned not to become captive to empty philosophy, to false prophets who deceive God’s chosen people “Israel”; false “messiah’s” who say, “I am He”. (Col 2:8; Matt 7:15; Mark 13:22; 2 Tim 4:3,4; 2 Pet 2) But the delusion is so powerful, so inviting, that “Israel” and thousands with them, fall for its offer of salvation. (Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10; 2 Thess 2:9,10)
Each one of us who were/are JWs, have/had made the choice for an organization to lead us to salvation, a practice of idolatry. If we proclaim that we didn't dedicate ourselves to "Jehovah's organization", yet we’re still a member of it, then we deceive ourselves in believing that it must be the only path to salvation. We are being judged on that choice. (Luke 22:31; Matt 13:30) This is Satan’s extraordinary scheme to “surround the saints” with his ‘diabolical’ plan to wipe out the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, using falsehoods and empty philosophy to do so. (Ezek 38:8-12; Rev 20:7-9; 12:13)
Devil - διάβολος diábolos, dee-ab'-ol-os; from G1225; a traducer; specially, Satan (compare H7854):—false accuser, devil, slanderer.
The Watchtower no longer recognizes the anointed as God’s Temple. (Eph 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:16,17) Gradually, they have removed themselves from this truth and now teach all JWs as the Temple of God and Body of Christ. (Rev 16:13,14) You also hold the belief that every JW is “Israel”. Forty-five years in the organization, I believe you said. Is this what they taught you about the anointed when you first entered the organization? Their teachings now, support the representation of God’s priesthood as the elders. Because of this gradual change, most anointed go along with it, too apathetic to stand up for the true Temple of God, and are content letting false prophets lead them. (Rev 13:11-13) By doing so, they are rejecting their rightful place in God’s Temple/priesthood. (Rev 11:1-3) Satan is accomplishing just what he wants, before the end, to drown the “woman” covenant promise, with his lies. (Gal 4:26; Rev 8:10,11;12:1-4,15 ) Those anointed who leave “Babylon” where God’s people are held captive to falsehoods, and listen to Christ's warnings, are part of the “restoration work” and completion of God’s Temple/Body of Christ.(Zech 4:7)
And as they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them saying, “Tell no one the vision until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.” 10 And the disciples asked him, saying, “Then why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And he answered and said, “Elijah indeed is coming, and will restore all things.”
Nehemiah was in charge of restoring the Temple once God’s people left Babylon. God has chosen His servants today to “restore” His remaining temple “stones” with the truth of Christ. Only in this way will they become "sealed". These are the “two witnesses” who announce His people’s sins, and reveal the “man of lawlessness” standing/sitting in the Temple, treading down His priesthood. (Matt 24:15,16) The call is to leave “Babylon”, even at the cost of your “life”. (Jer 3:14,15; Luke 17:34-37; John 16:2; Matt 24:28; Rev 11:7,8; 13:15; 6:9; 18:4-8)
This restoration work isn’t happening with the advent of the WT, since God’s anointed Temple stones are “trampled”, while its counterfeit/organization continues to visibly build its tower. (Gen 11:4) Proof? Christendom may have its lies, but so does the Watchtower – a 100-year record of them. “Zion” is built solely on Truth. (Zech 8:3; Rev 21:27)
Many choose to remain just where they are, too comfortable or too afraid to lose their “land”/belief, family and friends that they have built in “Babylon”. They refuse to nourish an undivided faith in God and Christ. (Exod 20:3,4; Matt 22:37-40)
And those who heard it said, “Who then can be saved?”
27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
28 Then Peter said, “See, we have left all and followed You.”
29 So He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or parents or brothers or wife or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30 who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life.” Luke 18:26-30
For consideration, "The Last Harlot and Her Beast", 4womaninthewilderness blogspot, Pearl Doxsey
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AlanF got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
Obviously you've never carefully considered scientific discussions. Here's one to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye
You might also read Richard Dawkins' book Climbing Mount Improbable.
True, and I suspect you don't know the half of it. A typical bat ear contains a mechanical bandpass filter that rolls off at some 800 decibels per octave. That's astonishing!
On the other hand, this earbone/eardrum system evolved over tens of millions of years, as shown by hundreds of fossils from the Triassic and Permian Periods. Early Triassic animals called Synapsids split into many families, one of which evolved into the earliest mammals. The early jaw was comprised of the dentary bone (carries the teeth) and three others. The entire jaw was involved in hearing, and one of the bones was connected to the eardrum. The arrangement gradually morphed, for reasons not understood, into an arrangement where in some animals there were two jaw joints side by side. In some lineages one of the jaw joints gradually disappeared over time, leaving the modern arrangement, where what were once parts of the old jaw now comprise the modern mammalian earbones. Sounds fantastic? It certainly does, but that's what hundreds of fossils show, as does embryology. See https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_05
Correction: you see things that you already know were designed by men like yourself, and which don't reproduce, and are not capable of self-assembly in contrast with simple biological molecules. You don't know that you've seen anything designed by some Supernatural Intelligence -- you mere believe it.
When I was about five years old, I said: "Mommy! Please make the trees stop making the wind blow". Small children are extremely prone to seeing agency in things that move and in confusing cause and effect. Eventually they learn better.
I don't disagree with that possibility. After all, we don't know enough to know for sure whether some kind of super-intelligence exists outside our ken. And many competent scientists have somewhat similar views.
However, as I've shown earlier in this thread, such a super-intelligence cannot be the God of the Bible, because the Bible combined with the fossil record proves that He cannot exist:
Bible says Creator God is loving; fossil record says 'Creator' is not loving. Can't have it both ways.
How do you know all that? Ever heard of the place in Turkey called Göbekli Tepe? It's a 12,000 year old archaeological site, perhaps a temple of sorts. Apparently it predates farming. In any case, it and hundreds of other ancient sites prove that modern humans, along with all manner of cultural stuff, have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Grave goods of modern humans and Neanderthals strongly indicate 'spiritual beliefs' of some sort.
What I've said above barely scratches the surface.
I beg to differ. Animals killing animals for food goes back 550 million years. Is that "good"?
No, I have a digital SLR and a time machine.
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AlanF reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
I will admit I haven't yet read the Jan 2020 Wt but wanted to comment on this :-
Quote "There is no difference between them as regards their anointing, and how they should be treated. "
So if the GB can gather together then so can other Anointed. But not according to the GB 'rules'.
Quote " but in my opinion the GB do not receive any more, or any "special" type of holy spirit or insight than any other anointed,..."
So what gives them the right to call themselves the F&DS ? What puts them at the top of the tree ?
And What stops them being removed from office ?
Quote " The Bible does not say the FDS anointed know more, all it says is that they are to provide timely spiritual food, "
You seem to be twisting things here. There are no F&DS anointed made known in the Bible. They have just called themselves as such. There is no proof of any appointment by God or Christ.
Quote " all it says is that they are to provide timely spiritual food, .."
BUT THEY HAVEN'T. They have supplied LIES. They have also made 'man made rules', burdens for congregants to carry. Heavy loads as mentioned in God's word.
They make threats. One such being that a person HAS TO BE a Baptised JW to survive Armageddon. And they add to that, that Armageddon is 'just around the corner', so close now etc. I'm sure if you were realistic you could understand that as a threat. It is not a warning, because they have no proof of either..
Quote " Also they are not the only spokesmen for God. Anyone speaking the truth about God and Christ are also his spokespersons. "
So one doesn't need to be a JW to be a spokesperson for God then?
And the GB and it's Org cannot be spokespersons for God, if they DO NOT speak TRUTH.
So we could go back over all the lies / mistakes / false predictions from the Bible Students and JWs, and we could say that they were never spokespersons for God.
Quote @Arauna Those without conscience will also murder if they can get away with it and many other immoral things if society let's them get away with it too!......
So because society allowed JW Elders to get away with it Earthwide, they committed Child Sexual Abuse and kept it hidden in the ORG. And the GB, because society allows them to get away with it, are holding back a twenty year database of Paedophile accusations.
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AlanF reacted to TrueTomHarley in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
JTR has made this point, too. I try not to bring totally irrelevant ideas into thread. I confine myself to responding to fatheads that already have. Still, I confess that I sometimes think of starting a new thread, but I hold back because everyone is all hopped up at the old one and I think that they may not make the jump.
JWI may be unaware that Pascal checked into Gamblers Anonymous in his later years.
Since no end of organizations do set up such charities, and there are myriad government programs doing the same, I see no harm in there being one to focus on what the Bible describes as the Christian’s main mission. Still, I never diss those things. They are undoubtedly good works that we are not doing, even if they do not solve the problem (and sometimes even serve to perpetuate it) I do not diss them.
(I am being a good boy, JWI. You should know this. Several of my group wanted to chime in—you should have heard the zinger Bob “Hammer” Urabi had up his sleeve, but I wouldn’t let him unfurl it. ....AllenSmith must have drove up with a pickup truck full of nukes to get tossed out because there seems little problem with anything less.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
Obviously you've never carefully considered scientific discussions. Here's one to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye
You might also read Richard Dawkins' book Climbing Mount Improbable.
True, and I suspect you don't know the half of it. A typical bat ear contains a mechanical bandpass filter that rolls off at some 800 decibels per octave. That's astonishing!
On the other hand, this earbone/eardrum system evolved over tens of millions of years, as shown by hundreds of fossils from the Triassic and Permian Periods. Early Triassic animals called Synapsids split into many families, one of which evolved into the earliest mammals. The early jaw was comprised of the dentary bone (carries the teeth) and three others. The entire jaw was involved in hearing, and one of the bones was connected to the eardrum. The arrangement gradually morphed, for reasons not understood, into an arrangement where in some animals there were two jaw joints side by side. In some lineages one of the jaw joints gradually disappeared over time, leaving the modern arrangement, where what were once parts of the old jaw now comprise the modern mammalian earbones. Sounds fantastic? It certainly does, but that's what hundreds of fossils show, as does embryology. See https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_05
Correction: you see things that you already know were designed by men like yourself, and which don't reproduce, and are not capable of self-assembly in contrast with simple biological molecules. You don't know that you've seen anything designed by some Supernatural Intelligence -- you mere believe it.
When I was about five years old, I said: "Mommy! Please make the trees stop making the wind blow". Small children are extremely prone to seeing agency in things that move and in confusing cause and effect. Eventually they learn better.
I don't disagree with that possibility. After all, we don't know enough to know for sure whether some kind of super-intelligence exists outside our ken. And many competent scientists have somewhat similar views.
However, as I've shown earlier in this thread, such a super-intelligence cannot be the God of the Bible, because the Bible combined with the fossil record proves that He cannot exist:
Bible says Creator God is loving; fossil record says 'Creator' is not loving. Can't have it both ways.
How do you know all that? Ever heard of the place in Turkey called Göbekli Tepe? It's a 12,000 year old archaeological site, perhaps a temple of sorts. Apparently it predates farming. In any case, it and hundreds of other ancient sites prove that modern humans, along with all manner of cultural stuff, have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Grave goods of modern humans and Neanderthals strongly indicate 'spiritual beliefs' of some sort.
What I've said above barely scratches the surface.
I beg to differ. Animals killing animals for food goes back 550 million years. Is that "good"?
No, I have a digital SLR and a time machine.
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AlanF reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Quote @JW Insider " we really have nothing to lose and much to gain if our faith puts us on God's side. "
Oh dear, deep breath. Surely this is ONE OF the MAIN points of all this forum.
From your comment :- IF OUR FAITH PUTS US ON GOD'S SIDE.
The whole point is, Does it put you on God's side ?
Or, does it just put you on the side of the GB and JW Org ? For there is a very big difference.
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You're killing me!
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
I submit that TrueTomHarley and his multiple personalities are prima facie evidence of what long years in the JW cult can do to a person.
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Bugger off, Tom.
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AlanF reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
You are basically saying that the GB is applying their words not to bond with other anointed ones to themselves; while on the other hand they have approved of their bonding/ gathering with their own body of “Gentiles”. They have whom they have picked, while rejecting those whom God and Christ have already chosen to serve them.
I’m sorry, but you are blind to the true motives behind your leadership. As I have said, telling the anointed not to bond and study the Bible together transgresses what is written in God’s Word. You are choosing men’s excuses over what is written in the Bible.
The anointed Body of Christ:
The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 1 Cor 12:21-25
The entire Body is necessary to impart truth under Christ. The GB has no respect for God’s arrangement, since it contradicts their desire to build another "temple" - the organization - rather than support God's Temple in the anointed priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17
Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 1 Cor 12:14
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with you faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. Rom 12:3-8
Is the apostle Paul telling the anointed at that time period not to bond together? No, just the opposite; so, why do you accept the GB’s regulations that the anointed are NOT to bond? Their rules defy the rules of Christ! Their authority is magnified above the authority Christ has for his own Body! Mark 13:22
And JWs have naively accepted it. Here is the scripture you used previously,
Rom 16:17 - I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
These scriptures target the GB succinctly, as the wicked slave. The trait of this wicked servant in Matt 24:48-51, is his choice to beat down his fellow servants – his fellow anointed ones. This is not a literal beating, but accomplished through the use of falsehoods that the two articles are full of. This “slave” has chosen his cohorts/elder body to carry out the job of keeping his fellow servants obedient to HIS regulations. The falsehoods that the wicked slave teaches – the spiritual food that he supplies – has caused spiritual drunkenness among all JWs. Can you see how you readily accept their teachings over the apostle Paul’s? The elder body, drunk on this “harlot’s” wine, willingly accepts the role to carry out the wicked slave’s decrees. They willingly follow orders to judge God’s anointed people as “dead”, who reject the wicked slave’s rulings. Rev 13:5,7,15
“I have told you these things so that you won’t be staggered by all that lies ahead 2 For you will be excommunicated from the synagogues, and indeed the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing God a service. 3 This is because they have never known the Father or me.” John 16:1-3
That is because the GB have severed themselves from Christ as their Head. They no longer have his Holy Spirit. If you believe that they are led by Christ, how can this be done if Christ doesn't inspire them with his Holy Spirit? Is Christ not inspired? How else would he direct an anointed to do God's will? If it is true that the anointed do not have any "special" type of Holy Spirit than anyone else, what is the point of being anointed?
They are the Temple of God, His "dwelling" and the source of truth for the children of God to come. 2 Cor 6:16
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth."
"As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you don't need anyone to teach you. Instead, his anointing teaches you about all things and is true and is not a lie; just as it has taught you, remain in him." 1 John 2:20,27
They carry the laws of God on their heart.
But this is the covenant
that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be My people. Heb 8:10
Which allows them as priests to teach the people God's ways.
"For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, because he is the messenger of the Lord of Hosts." Mal 2:7
The GB expects JWs to "seek instruction" from the elder body who are obviously a counterfeit priesthood.
Because the GB reject the members of Christ's Body, they no longer remain in Christ.
“I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me" John 15:5
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AlanF reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
The last days are indeed filled with woe, just as the Bible foretold. In this troubled world, however, there are positive developments among the worshippers of Jehovah.
13 “The true knowledge will become abundant,” the Bible book of Daniel foretold. When would that happen? During “the time of the end.” (Daniel 12:4) Especially since 1914, Jehovah has helped those who truly desire to serve him to grow in understanding of the Bible.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/are-we-living-in-the-last-days/
About: Knowledge, Know more, Spiritual food, Understanding of Bible, Holy spirit, you mentioned.
You said well, Anna, how FDS (inside WT Society) are not in position to "know more" if they are out of working range of holy spirit, to understand more about some subjects, if Bible text not explicit say or explain what is what. If it is, as you say, how Bible not give any prove to all of us, that FDS will know more, than what spiritual food they producing? Which is already in the Bible? Fine. But that would mean less articles that are directly connected to Bible text especially about prophesies and interpretations on many issues and, of course, about illustrations as, who is FDS. Bible not say who is FDS. When and how will come or came. Will they originated from Pennsylvania and then move to Warwick.
If they, FDS, are uninspired, than they have no possibility to explain nothing from Bible, for outcome how such explanation would be correct. They can handle only basic teachings. To be good, not lie, love your neighbor, to preach Kingdom, not have idols ....and similar. Talking about 1914, King of the North, 6000 history of man is in shady, fog zone and are just interpretations leading nowhere.
Producing millions of articles (from 1879) with problematic explanations and instructions prove just opposite - that they not received enough spirit for their task. They are very good organized, that is for sure - but do you need HS for that or just to improve what was already exist in this worldly word and what working for centuries, especially in Western Democracies and Economics.
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AlanF got a reaction from Anna in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
I submit that TrueTomHarley and his multiple personalities are prima facie evidence of what long years in the JW cult can do to a person.
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AlanF got a reaction from Top Cat O’Malihan in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Bugger off, TrueTomHarley.
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AlanF reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
This is an extraordinary argumentation!
Here we have few different subjects that came to focus. Although some of them are far away from Jack Ryan Topic, i would say how this one, where we involved questions about anointed and certain relationships within all of them that call themselves "anointed" and structural questions what anointed role is inside them and in relation to people who haven't such call. Does "anointed" need some "body" that will and have to represent them all? Does this "body" have legality and legitimacy from those whom they, as GB claim, represents? Published claims how Spirit, God and Jesus, appointed them (now WT Society's GB) in 1919 have to be questioned and challenged. How and why?
First, WT publications explaining periodically how no one can prove that he/she is anointed. And how some people who claims that call, are people who, in fact, are not appointed.
Second, all such sort of appointments, supposedly, have to be by Spirit, for purpose to have legality and legitimacy. In fact, less important sort of appointments, for ministerial servants, elders, Circuit Overseers and others inside hierarchical structure of Organization involving human acts, interventions, influence.
Brothers inside congregation giving their voice for recommendations. Then some other who are in position of leading giving their voice and further recommendations ....all to the top of Structure that resides in Warwick. Let me to conclude, how this same "theocratic" steps have to be used in appointing anointed who put themselves on position to be Top Management not only to JW members but also to all other individuals who belong to the "same kind" as they. As in first century Christianity examples:Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
But today we have problem with GB, elders and even JW anointed. They claims how they are not inspired. If that is true than they can't receive spirit" from another JW and can't give "spirit" to another JW. With such deficiency of spirit, task of making appointments can't be fulfilled in very core prerequisite for all sorts of spiritual activity that need to be guided not by humans but by Spirit.
About hands! WHO have been putting hands on Russell, Rutherford, Franz, Knorr, Henschel, Gangas, Jackson, Sydlick, Lett, Morris etc? Has HE been inspired while doing this?
What does this have to 8 members in Topic? If they haven't legality to be sitting "on Moses chair" and no legitimacy because they not fulfilling their task and obligation, according to position they claimed was made by Jesus and God, another Court will also call them to Trial.
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AlanF got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents
Anna said:
Yes, Ms. too-naive-for-her-own-good.
Some are, some are not. Watchtower writers are past masters at manipulating the JW community with smooth words that are deliberately ambiguous, or say one thing but mean another. Again you're far too naive.
At the time I had not been an active JW for at least 15 years. One loses the bad mental conditioning after awhile.
He was quite good at deciphering the ambiguities of WTS instructions. He and his wife were very well respected, and entertained GB members. At the time he had been a JW for 60 years, so he knew what he was talking about.
Oftentimes the Society designs its instructions with a subtly hidden message that astute JWs are supposed to pick up on.
You forget the most important thing: since out of one side of its mouth the GB claims to admit that it is fallible, then its Bible interpretations are open to questioning. If a dissenting JW has figured out the truth of some Bible teaching, finds it at odds with Watchtower teaching, and lets it be known to others, then who is "causing division"? The one teaching the Bible, or the one teaching the commands of men? Remember that God is not directing these fallible men of the GB.
They're right there in black and white. Go back and read what you posted from the Watchtower.
Still missing the point. You're approaching Orwellian crimestop here.