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AlanF got a reaction from Arauna in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
You KNOW what you've said. You're not even fooling your braindead fellow cultists, except perhaps the ineluctably brainless Arauna.
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AlanF got a reaction from Pudgy in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Still too clueless to realize how clueless you are. There's a name for that.
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AlanF got a reaction from Pudgy in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Cluelessly irrelevant to our topic as always.
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AlanF got a reaction from Arauna in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
So what? The Bible gives no origin for its Gods.
So what?
So what? Maybe that really happened. Just as a talking snake convinced a naked woman to eat some fruit and initiate all manner of mayhem.
So is the Bible God. Is that God the epitome of love? Or the epitome of monstrousness? Can't have it both ways. Occam's Razor suggests that the entire concept is imaginary.
Precisely the point. That's how the Bible God came to be.
I don't merely believe it. I've proved it. Do we have "the God of love"? Or the God of monstrousness? Or neither?
The Bible presents no origin of its Gods.
As well as wrong.
Yes, at least as "imaginative" and crazily fantastical as any other myths.
But plenty of other myths are also understood that way. So what? They're all crazy.
"Unique"? What does that mean in terms of the stories reflecting reality? The Adam and Eve story is unique, but it certainly doesn't reflect reality. Judaism and Christianity and Hinduism and Buddhism and many other religions teach valuable and useful truths, as well as gobbledygook. So what? If they didn't, they'd have died out long ago.
The point is: do these religions teach only reality?
Humans as such have existed for two million years, modern humans for some 300,000, and humanoids for something like five million years. Poof! goes the Adam and Eve story.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Whatever you read is filtered by your first seeing if it contradicts Mommy Watchtower's traditions. Example:
I suggested you read one of Richard Dawkins' books. Your response: "I won't read it because he believes in aliens seeding life on earth". Which is a lie.
Any and all excuses to refuse to look at facts.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Precisely why the JW Governing Body rages against "apostates" -- critics who tell the truth about "The Truth".
That's why so many individual JWs are afraid to read any material not coming from the Watchtower Society. One way or another they've gotten a taste of valid criticism, understand on some level that it really is valid, realize that if "The Truth" is not the truth they must reject the leadership of those who promulgate false things in God's name, and become afraid to take the consequences. Most JWs have their entire social structure tied up with things Watchtower and don't want to chance losing their friends and families, even at the cost of living with the knowledge that they do not worship "the God of truth". That's another consequence of being steeped in Orwellian thinking.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Excellent comments! To which I will add:
To the typical JW "truth" has a meaning different from what everyone else understands. To a JW it means "whatever is current in Watchtower teaching". Thus yesterday the "faithful slave" was the entire earthwide body of "anointed ones", but today it's the "Governing Body". Yesterday it was "the truth" that "the saints" were resurrected to heaven in 1881, while today that teaching is considered apostasy.
The JW baptismal vows, adopted around 1985, contain a legally binding promise for the baptized person to believe and obey all things designated "current teaching" by the various Watchtower corporations. Thus there is no unique "truth" since those teachings can change and do change with the winds of current events.
Most JWs are well aware that if Watchtower leaders decided that the Trinity is "current teaching", they would go along with it. ANY teaching is up for grabs in the JW world.
Once a new teaching is adopted, the JW community forgets the old and mostly forgets that the old ever existed. Hence the phrase "the Orwellian world of Jehovah's Witnesses".
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Ssuuuuurrrre! Just as Russell warned about 1914, Rutherford warned about 1925, Franz warned about 1975, the Society and many JWs warned about 2000 and are now doing so via Real Soon Now.
JW critics have compared the Watchtower organization to Orwell's Utopia in Nineteen Eighty-Four for decades. For example, The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses (Heather and Gary Botting, Heritage, 1984) did so 37 years ago. I did so in the early 1990s (https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/thinking-ability-and-watchtower.html https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/orwell-revisited.html). So have many other JW critics.
As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.
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AlanF reacted to Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
People would like (and should) be able to say ... what they think (good or bad, truth or false, whether others like it or not). There are shy people, insecure, there are those who may not trust others. Some may say only to selected close friends, but not in public in front of others, etc. If others knew something about us, they might consider us less valuable or they might misuse information about us sometime in the future.
They may be afraid of the reactions of the environment or the consequences of honesty. The family and the environment in which they live may feel that some topics should not be public because they are a “sensitive topic”.
I am of the opinion that it is not that we do not want to tell the truth, but that we are afraid of the truth, the truth about ourselves and others. :))
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Excellent comments! To which I will add:
To the typical JW "truth" has a meaning different from what everyone else understands. To a JW it means "whatever is current in Watchtower teaching". Thus yesterday the "faithful slave" was the entire earthwide body of "anointed ones", but today it's the "Governing Body". Yesterday it was "the truth" that "the saints" were resurrected to heaven in 1881, while today that teaching is considered apostasy.
The JW baptismal vows, adopted around 1985, contain a legally binding promise for the baptized person to believe and obey all things designated "current teaching" by the various Watchtower corporations. Thus there is no unique "truth" since those teachings can change and do change with the winds of current events.
Most JWs are well aware that if Watchtower leaders decided that the Trinity is "current teaching", they would go along with it. ANY teaching is up for grabs in the JW world.
Once a new teaching is adopted, the JW community forgets the old and mostly forgets that the old ever existed. Hence the phrase "the Orwellian world of Jehovah's Witnesses".
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AlanF reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Suppose the ex-wife was a Pedophile ? and suppose the guy was actually doing two things, 1. Warning other people to stay clear, 2. Trying to help the victims make a case against his ex-wife.
Apply that to the Watchtower / JW org / CCJW / GB, EARTHWIDE. That is what some ex-JWs are doing, because the GB and it's Lawyers are so wicked and dishonest.
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AlanF reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
There is so much in this little piece. Lets dissect it.
They haven't made the truth their own Which truth do you mean? The JW truth changes from year to year. 'New light' it pretend to be, but in honesty it is failed predictions.
Instead they either abdicate their free will to an organization But this is what the GB demand. The GB demand complete obedience through the Elder 'police'.
or they blame an organization for their having left. Now this is interesting. According to an Elder I know, no one leaves, they are all disfellowshipped. BUT, for my part I will blame my Christian conscience as the reason I left the Org. Although I left because of the immorality and dishonesty in the JW Org.
"each one must carry his own load" Yes indeed, but I didn't expect an Elder to phone my wife and tell her I had been disfellowshipped, when that Elder knew I had left of my own choice and he knew the reasons too.
Unfortunately many of you JWs pretend that all 'ex-JWs' are wicked people that 'go back into the wicked world' . Sorry but I find it so funny that you people have to do that. You seem so insecure and need to reassure yourself by pretending that every one 'outside' is wicked. JUST look at the paragraph I've quoted and see how many accusations there are against ex-JWs. My first three highlights make it easy for you. You are taught to blame the ex Witness, never to blame the JW Org or the GB.
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Such hypocrisy! When critics like me do that, snowflakes like you scream Persecution!
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AlanF got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Indeed. Few organizations have more of the Orwellian spirit than the Watchtower religion.
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AlanF reacted to Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Pilate asked Jesus, What is the truth? And Jesus didn't respond. If I ask You, What is "the truth" ... for You?, will you and what you would answer?
Let me help you. If someone had ask you 30, 20, 10, 5, 2,5 years ago what is "the truth" taught by WTJWorg, would you have the same answers as today?
If you stayed in that truth from 30 years ago, because you built it firmly into yourself, then you would not accept "some new truth" that the same organization would offer you later. So the question is; Did the organization "have made the truth their own ”? Obviously not! Well, what is in common for people who stayed and organization who changed?
People who stayed are people described in first part of sentence. People who left have various, different reactions. As for me, for example, i don't see why i would blame organization for not celebrating my birthdays in the past 53 years. :)))
People (can) have regrets for decisions or for either because they were deceived, or because they allowed themselves to be deceived and so on. WTJWorg "institutional settings" are made in such a way that members can rightly have objections and can blame the organization for many injustices and failures. In this sense, I do not see why individuals should be blamed for resenting the “organization” and its "official representatives" or even other ordinary members who were unjust to their fellow believers because of their “blind obedience to the organization”.
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AlanF reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Wow, I didn't realize that you believe your Watchtower / JW Org / GB to be so Evil.
The leadership of the Watchtower has for many years taken away the free will of it's congregants.
One obvious way was the deliberate misuse of the Superior Authorities scripture, so that congregants had to obey the Org or be 'removed'.
This is a quote from you xero from another topic.
You know, that the core beliefs of JW's don't differ significantly from the bulk of other nontrinitarian religions except in ways which, quite frankly are conscience matters. This is a big issue in my world. Too many brothers want to override or supplant the consciences of others. If there is a defect, that would be it -
And again evil shuns free will.
Point proven. Hence just one more reason I'm glad I left the JW / Watchtower dishonest, immoral, Organisation.
I actually think it is your Org that has shunned this :-
"I am the way, the truth, the life - no one comes to the father except through me" Jesus said,
What have your Leaders done ? Refused to baptise people properly. Not using the scripture which says to baptise "In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy spirit"
But telling people that have to be baptised into the JW org. Telling people that they have to be a baptised JW 'to be saved' at Armageddon.
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AlanF reacted to TrueTomHarley in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
This helped me to see the source of Alan’s enmity towards me. It is pure envy.
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AlanF got a reaction from Arauna in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Nope. You remain abysmally stupid.
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AlanF got a reaction from Arauna in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Wrong again. No straw men in my arguments. You cannot find even one.
Now you've pegged yourself as a liar.
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AlanF got a reaction from Arauna in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Demented moron.
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AlanF got a reaction from Arauna in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Apparently you've set it to ignore all facts.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Almost no one who considers the details of Genesis thinks about its self-consistency: If Abel killed animals and offered them as burnt sacrifices to God, how did he know that God wanted this? And if God wanted Abel to kill animals for sacrifice, why not for food?
After all. Abel and company would have seen all manner of predators doing their thing.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
A 1983 Awake! series argued that the whole of animal life fell into chaos because Adam sinned.
What a lot of bollocks! And of course, right from the JW Governing Body.
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AlanF got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
Demented moron.
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AlanF got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Creation-Evolution-Creative Days-Age of the Earth-Humanoid Fossils-Great Flood
The essay shows far more than that -- which you'd understand if you actually read it.
It shows that Watchtower writers will lie and generally distort source references to support their supposedly Bible-based traditions. They do this with other subjects as well.
Since Watchtower leaders claim to speak in God's name, but have demonstrably said false things in God's name, they are by definition false prophets and should not be listened to.