JOHN BUTLER

The rumor about "higher-ups" is not directly related, but it was related to the "gifts" of prime cut steaks that were sent periodically from Watchtower Farms to Brooklyn. These were never served to the Bethel family, but I knew one of the cooks who was sworn to secrecy about who got them and how often. There are always perks in any organization for those at a certain level of responsibility, and this was not a "Governing Body" thing. It was more of a long time seniority thing, which will necessarily (sometimes) overlap. Since these steaks were served semi-privately as specially cooked meals, they could be served with alcohol, but some brothers were said to have already served themselves alcohol before coming down to get their meal. Certain brothers became known for this behavior, even to the point of using very foul language to the cooks and waiters. If you want to keep a secret the last thing you want to do is curse out a cook or a waiter

My my, it gets even better.  Imagine telling all this to a new bible study. 

But of course everyone is equal, oh wait a minute we have 'higher ups' getting prime steak, served privately. 

After all 'There are always perks in any organization for those at a certain level of responsibility'. 

And brothers are all loving and kind and very spiritual at bethel, oh no there are brothers that get drunk and swear at the cooks and waiters. 

It's shows itself as being just another big organisation with those at the top living off of those at the bottom. 

No wonder the GB do not receive God's holy spirit. 

Quote @JW Insider Drinking stories were always rampant at Bethel. There were always stories of higher-ups getting drunk, but this was likely fueled by younger Bethelites who were looking for excuses for their own behavior. The cooks who worked an after-dinner late shift only available to "higher ups" had the most consistent stories, but I still saw signs of exaggeration. But I have seen young Bethelites get drunk, and it was shameful and embarrassing. (For some 19 and 20 year olds, Bethel would have been their first real experience with alcohol.) I have seen housekeepers gathering liquor bottles from rooms and the sum total would have surprised anyone. I was sometimes surprised that people were periodically sent home for stealing and immorality, but never (that I knew of) for excessive drinking.

I don't even have to go looking for faults in the Org. People seem quite happy to reveal the faults on here.. It's kinda funny then that some folks say i have an agenda.    Drunks in Bethal, shows the lack of spiritual wisdom doesn't it ?  Where is God's 'guidance there ? 

As for the GB pretending to be 'poor', i bet they have country mansions for summer holidays  

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I would, on the OTHER hand, make a GREAT chicken!

Ah I see, conform when it suits you  . But at least you got the point of my earlier comment. 

Quote "And of course, to YOU ... your thinking seems normal."

Wrong, nothing about me is normal.  Psychiatrists and psychologists have had a great time dealing with me. Some one must have made some money from the tablets too 

Adam was created normal. The rest of us just suffer our strange ways. 

When a person starts to understand that they are not 'normal' then life becomes a lot easier. 

As for your 'agenda driven thinking.' bit, well you are starting to sound like TTH. 

I have no agendas, my life is too full since leaving that Org. Hence I spend less time on here.  

Unless of course you mean exposing the GB and the JW Org for what it really is, that is called having purpose. Meaningful warnings to others is not an agenda. Just because some folks like to hide behind the curtain and pretend all is well, doesn't mean that in reality all is well. 

James, you don't mind being a puppet then ?  

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The books have taken the better part of three years. I do want to make money from them somewhere along the line, maybe with audio versions.

The current business model is not working and I am wracking my brains over why that is so, even hiring experts.

Possibly the fact that they are free has something to do with it, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions.

Ah but the free ones are just advertising for the ones that cost money  . Recognition is good advertising.  

17 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Don't be silly.

Is that the best you can do ?  Or is the fact that I'm putting you and the Org to shame hurting you ?  

You and others on here are not serving God properly anyway, no love, no mercy, no care.  I can understand it's all just 'food' for your books, and i can see that you are putting Your business before God's will. But then it's no different than the GB putting their business before God's will is it ? 

You all lost the discussion when you've said that Child Sex Abuse is happening in every organisation, because it means JW Org is no better than any other organisation. 

And i think you also said that 'opposers' (as you call them) want to see the JW Org shut down, whereas that is not true for many of us. We just want to see if God will clean it out.... We are not all 'opposers' in the sense that you seem to use. 

Have a great day Tom. 

I've just read the rest of it, it all means nothing Tom. It's just burble. Were you up all night and couldn't sleep ? Are you ill ?

Are you just having a dig at your opposition ? What is it all about ? 

Russia has nothing to do with Pedophilia, at least i don't think it does.. Totally different ball game.

But to try to use Russia as a smoke screen, or for people to feel sorry for JW's regarding Pedophilia, is totally wrong.

Le'ts look at this bit. Quote " It is one of the few things in the world today that does make sense—that is the reason that Witnesses were attracted to Bible teachings in the first place. It is the reason that they stick to it despite trials and even blunders."

Are but there is a problem there isn't there ? The problem is that each and every Witness is brought into a different 'truth', depending on exactly when they came into the JW religion.  

The Creative Days for instance. Many folks came into the JW Org when the 6 Creative Days were 7,000 years long, and they were in the 7th day. It all made sense. End of 6,000 years then 1,000 years of Christ's reign. Then it all would get handed back to God. 

But now all that is gone. So bang goes half the foundation of your idea of making sense. 

Then there was the This Generation will not pass away.  But that too has gone. Replaced by the biggest load of cr*p you can imagine. 

So now your idea of making sense gets even less.  

If you bought a new house and moved in, you may love it and it may be very sensible and good to live in.

But wow,  the builder takes the roof off, what ?  Then the builder removes all the windows, yow.

So now your new house is not the same place. You may argue with the builder, or you may just move out. You might not have a permanent place to live but you could not stay in a house that is so cold and lets the rain in. 

Do you get this message ? Because that is exactly what your GB has done. Your GB has removed over half of the foundation, they have replaced all comfort with barbed wire and filled it with 'roaring lions' of all types. 

It is no longer what it was. It no longer teaches Bible truth with love and mercy. 

Sorry Tom that was tooooooooooooooooooooo long. I read half but you do go on a bit

What i did notice was the same old collateral damage thing.  

Quote " It is but a component of the big picture, overall a very small one." 

It's only SMALL  to you and others that are not interested in those that have suffered.

Seems to be the American way of life. War or religion, collateral damage. No love, no respect, survival of the mentally fittest. 

That's not Spiritual Wisdom Tom, it's not caring for widows and orphans, it's not being being a crag or rock as the Org should be. 

I'll try to read the rest later after my walk in the woods. Have a good day opponent not enemy  .

As for this Tom, you are totally wrong,  Quote "Time heals most everything that wants to be healed."

You honestly do not understand, we don't have a choice but to remember those things. 

6 minutes ago, Anna said:

Yes, very true. But when he/they (the "vigilantes")  get caught they will be punished. The authorities aren't going to be interested in the reasons why they did this. So eventually they will lose out. In any case, saying this is because of child abuse is just speculation. We really don't know....

We really don't know.... No but the timing matches up. 

4 hours ago, Anna said:

Come on James, you know that's not a fair statement. All education is not discouraged, but putting Kingdom interests first is the point. Same with books. Nothing wrong with reading books other than JW publications, as long as they are not the only thing you read. 

 

Anna. You'll be promoting TTH's books soon  . 

James 'refraining from killing someone' does not make you theocratic it just means you have a conscience.

I think the Kid's point was that vigilante justice does not get back at the accused, but to many the accused is the GB and whole JW Org, so if KH's are being destroyed then it is getting back at the accused in a big way. 

It disrupts meetings, causes worry to congregants, and costs the Org money. I would say that is getting back at the accused.

Hope no one is physically hurt though. 

Oh what a laugh you two give me. 

SM. Quote "Christians will always be a primary target ... "   You are totally missing the point here SM. 

It may not be Christians that it is aimed at, it could well be Pedophiles that are hidden in the JW Org by their GB. So it might be aimed at the whole JW Org which supports the pedophilia within it. 

And Kid. Quote "How do 2 wrongs make a right? "  They don't. Just like pedophilia is wrong and so is hiding it in the JW Org.  Two wrongs.

And again quote " These actions are not with a set of moral code, but rather the actions of hateful and deranged mind orchestrated out of HATE, nothing more. " 

So what is pedophilia the actions of ? Where is the moral code of Elders that rape and sexually abuse young children, sometimes even their own children ? Those elders and other pedophiles in the JW Org must have deranged minds. 

Maybe the GB and Bethal 'bosses' also have deranged minds, reading all the reports about sexual abuse of children and not reporting any of it the police or authorities. 

Maybe this destructive action was done by those who have been abused and families of those abused. 

I wouldn't do it, but everyone is different. 

You have to remember how long pedophilia has been going on in the JW Org and also other forms of abuse in same. And the hurt that shunning causes, and being disfellowshipped for no good reasons. 

Please don't 'kid' yourself that this is anti-christian, when it's more likely anti-pedophilia and anti-GB / Elders actions. 

Or do you think it is coincidence that it is happening at the same time that JW Org is being investigated Earthwide. 

How strange you are Tom  

To quote " In the book "The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah"- How ?, one of the many reasons given for Jehovah's wrath against Christendom is: "Jehovah hates being treated by religious hypocrites like a God who can be fooled." "

Oh how that is definitely a good description of the JW Org. 'religious hypocrites' treating God as if he cannot see everything and know everything.

CHILD ABUSE committed by ELDERS in the JW ORG for over 50 YEARS EARTHWIDE. 

Shunning of people that should not be shunned.

Misusing scriptures such as Superior Authorities' and 'This Generation' to deliberately mislead people and so that the GB down to the Elders can 'Lord it over the congregation' Earthwide. 

Yes the JW Org certainly does treat God 'like a God who can be fooled'.  So when the Judgement Day arrives, oh dear,  GB and JW Org down the pan i think  

God's idea of soon could be hundreds of years from now. 

There is not one 'religion' serving God properly right now, so Judgement Day is still a long way off. 

All the horror pictures used by the GB and JW Org are just bullying tactics to frighten people. What a way to try to teach people the 'truth'. 

The JW Org needs cleaning out if God is going to use it, so don't hold your breath over Armageddon. 

Now is this an attack on the 'serving of God' side of the religion, or, is it an attack against the Child Abuse side of the religion ?

The JW Org is now in that unfortunate position of not knowing. It would be so easy for them to say that it is persecution of the 'true religion' and coming from the devil etc..... 

But in fact it may be because of all the media news Earthwide about the Child Abuse within the JW Org. 

It would be good if the attackers would give reasons for the attacks. 

By the way, i don't think this is good news. I don't agree with this type of destructive and dangerous action. I don't agree with violence or anti social behavior. I hope all the people are ok and it would be good to think that all the Elders are doing shepherding work to look after the 'flock'. Older congregants and maybe even some young ones may be frightened by it all. 

8 hours ago, Witness said:

A FORMER JEHOVAH'S WITNESS IS USING STOLEN TO EXPOSE ALLEGATIONS THAT THE RELIGION HAS KEPT HIDDEN FOR DECADES.  

 

In an organization, what sort of prevailing spirit would enable and encourage its people to hide its dirty business?  The spirit of God, who always exposed the sins of His people?

What spiritual atmosphere promotes child abuse by ignoring a child’s call for help and justice, from their own parents? 

What sort of spirit promotes parents to threaten their children using disgusting ‘weaponry’ against them, and at the same time, teaching them of “Jehovah’s paradise” as a promise if they were good? 

What spirit resides in the heart of an elder who would ask a child suffering from parental abuse, “If her mother did end up killing her, could that prevent Jehovah from resurrecting her at Armageddon? “Of course, I said no,” Kimmy said, rolling her eyes. “They told me, ‘Go home and obey your mother.’”

How can the Watchtower call itself “Jehovah’s theocratic organization”, or “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” when at the inner core of its “whitewashed tomb”, “the bones of the dead and everything unclean” exists?  Matt 23:27

Child abuse is everywhere, but it is a rampant evil sickness in an organization that proudly claims to belong to “Jehovah”, to be a protection in times of distress, and an ark of salvation.  What hypocrisy.    Has it ever occurred to a JW that God sees the sins of His people?  And when God sees His people sinning, He refuses to aid them in times of crisis?

Remind yourself again of what is happening in Russia.  Since the organization obviously hides its sins; yet, blatantly practices idolatry by ignoring the true temple of God in the anointed ones, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Thess 2:3,4) God has no interest in coming to  Watchtower’s aid in times of distress. 

Tell me why He would.    Judges 2:6-23; Rom 1:18-25

 We have a deliverer, and it isn’t the GB or the organization who has refused to offer any aid to thousands who have suffered from abusive individuals residing in the “spiritual paradise”.  Our deliverer is the Father and Jesus Christ.  Judges 3:7-9; Rev 2:2-6,19-22; 3:17-21

From The Atlantic:  https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/

 

 

 

 

That link is just fantastic. Very straight, no hype.

Sorry but I cannot stand videos from USA about child abuse as they always seem hyped up, but this link is just so down to earth.

I suppose I prefer to read it rather than listen to or watch it. I was moved by the straight forward way in which it was written.

Of course that cowboy BTK and probably TTH and others will say it's not true and apostate lies, but we cannot expect anything better from those that worship the GB and the JW Org. Anyway a man that pretends to be a cowboy, and an author looking to earn money are hardly people we need to take notice of are they ?   

I do honestly hope that this year will see some positive outcome from all the investigations Earthwide. Hopefully the GB will get punished in someway, either by God / Jesus Christ, or by the US legal system, or both. 

It is so good that some people take the risk of stealing documents to give proof of the crimes of the GB and JW Org. 

I'm sure in some way this would relate to things from Bible times, where true servants of God risked their lives for God's true purpose. I'm thinking of the 'spies' that went in to Jericho. 

But now we have a question. Where does it go from here ?  it's like politics, it's all too easy to remove a political party or to protest against same, but the more difficult task is to replace it. 

What does God / Jesus Christ intend to follow up with, that is the question we should all be asking ? 

And was Rutherford supposed to be being guided by God and / or Jesus Christ in all this thinking / writing ? 

It seems than that the Kid is trying to run the show, and give orders to others. He seems to have learnt his ways from the GB and the Elders. 

I do wish people would fully understand the word Apostate though. And isn't this the OPEN forum for all of us.

Don't JW's have a private/ closed forum for themselves ? So where is the problem for that poor child Kid. Can't he just go to the Private forum and be happy there ? 

@JW Insider Quote "The only comments allowed in a congregational setting must be completely supportive even if the paragraph contained information that was clearly unscriptural. "

Thank you JWI, this is so true and so wrong. And it's a form of brainwashing, a ritual by parrot fashion answering. Basically just repeating what the W/t article states as 'fact' when in truth it is not fact. 

When you think of it that's how they teach evolution in schools. If it's in the text book it has to be right.  Just as if it's in the W/t it has to be right. 

Can people not see the hypocracy of it all. And that is what the Kid wants here, indoctrination. No thanks. 

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No. Not to you at present.

Unfortunately, it does. You’ve lost all sense of balance.

Lost all sense of balance have I ? 

Well if i wanted to drive to Scotland I wouldn't know the exact route, but I'd know not to go to Cornwall as it's in the complete opposite direction.

Similarly the more I'm finding out about the JW Org and the GB, the more I know it is the wrong direction. The only difference is the GB and it's Org could change if God chose to change it. But right now my balance and conscience tell me to stay away from it.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No

Did you notice that just after my post I put in another saying I was half-inclined to take it all back? It was for this consideration that I did it. Everyone else says what they have to say without triggering “hot compassionate rhetoric.” (well...actually, that’s not true) Why should it be different for you?

There is no harmony and unity here.

Okay. I think most everyone else understands that, too. I never misunderstood that point, either.

 

Throw it on the stack. What’s one more?

 

I am among the most tracable people here, doing nothing in secret. Did I not just say that I spoke to congregation elders, explaining what I was doing and why? What about you? Does anyone in the actual world know that you are BillyTheKid?

 

There’s no way on earth that you are going to be deleted unless you break a few lamps in The Librarian’s home. She’s a sensitive old biddy and she treasures her few material things.

 

Okay. Everyone else carries on here. Why shouldn’t you be able to as well?

But here is something for you to consider. We are encouraged to freely associate with our brothers (don’t misunderstand - there are few here that I regard as ‘our brothers’ but there are some) to build them up, exhort, encourage, and so forth. Until we hear that they are disfellowshipped, we regard them as brothers. Are we ever going to hear it here should it happen? No. Why? Because the Internet is not the congregation and cannot be made to behave like one. No wonder the GB prefers that you and I stay off it.

Now, in your actual congregation, are there brothers not disfellowshipped that you lambaste? I hope that is not the case. The only exception would be if someone had been marked (what verse is that, anyhow?) and you thought you knew who that one was. In that case, you would. But would you go around the congregation encouraging others to follow your course? You know how improper that would be.

My point is that online you don’t know who’s who. You never will. You don’t even know that I am a brother. I said I was, but I might be lying. The Internet is the land of the liars and that must be understood. But when you come online and harshly rip into ‘brothers’ with scripture, you are overstepping your bounds. That is the place of the elders. When brothers are yet in good standing and other brothers rip into them online tor doing this or that wrong—well, they would never do it offline. And it contributes to the wrong impression that Jehovah’s Witnesses are the most judgmental people on earth. Elders are the ones who should issue such discipline. You should not presume to step into their role, as though they were falling down on the job and you will take their place. And why don’t they fulfill their role here? Because the Internet is not the congregation and cannot be made to behave like one. No wonder the GB prefers that you and I stay off it.

It is not Witnesses that I am writing for, in the main. Loyal brothers are not going to frequent here. It is for non-Witnesses that I am writing. Whenever I address anyone, I am always primarily addressing the unknown audience that lies behind. And that, let me be honest (as usual), is a challenge that I very much enjoy. I don’t mean determined opposers. I mean unalliigned people. There may not be any. There may be many. You never know. They may come along afterwards.

I like witnessing to them, not to show that this or that doctrine that they may believe in is wrong, but to illustrate the mechanics and underlying reasonableness of the Christian congregation to people who may have been conditioned to think that we are anything but.

Call it PR, if you like. In general we are terrible at PR. If we are not explaining to non-Witnesses something about Christmas being pagan or telling them about the cute animals in paradise, we haven’t a clue how to speak with them, and there are a fair number of friends who will think that we shouldn’t. I like doing PR for the congregation to non-Witnesses on topics that aren’t entry level. I do it in the books I have written. I spend far far too much time here, except that it does in some ways not always tangible help with that undertaking.

“How’s that for saying what I mean?” you said. Not bad. How’s mine? We owe each other honesty.

@TrueTomHarley PR ? So you are here to put the JW side over to non Witnesses and me and a couple of others are here to tell them the truth.

A good balance i think Tom. Only I'm not using people, to write a book or earn money  . i have the genuine feeling and safety of people as my reason. 

Just because i don't know what is perfectly correct does not mean I don't know what is totally wrong.  

To quote a Kid "we have the brightest minds at work here, let's act the part".

But what you have is human wisdom, not the Wisdom from God. 

As for harmony and unity, I think you are in the wrong house. That must be in the PRIVATE house.  . A place I will never be allowed to go. Still they have to hide somewhere I suppose. 

Quote the Kid "Can we believe whatever association here, is not flawed and is not outside the norm of Christian ethics? "

Explain the Christian ethics of your GB et al, regarding Child Abuse, shuning, and all the other issues, including misuse of scriptures such as 'the Superior Authorities',  'Faithful and Discreet slave' etc. 

The JW Org is not fit for purpose yet you condemn everyone else, that is so funny  .

You should be a politician Kid and you TTH. Politicians find fault with the opposition instead of looking inside their own 'crowd'. 

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Now now now. You threw this in as an afterthought and you should have left it out. Why not just say: “I am wise. Everyone else is stupid.”? It comes across as judgmental, Billy. And it serves no purpose. You have been at this for some time now, trying to make people behave on this worldly site as though they are in the Kingdom Hall. How’s that project going, anyway? If you choose to write on this forum, you must not write with only brothers in mind. You must write primarily for the non-Witnesses that might be lurking about. The brothers get their counsel at the Kingdom Hall.

It cannot be done--converting the worldnewsmedia into a congregation. You only shoot yourself in the foot when you try and you leave a not-so-hot witness by saying things like the above. The internet is not the congregation and cannot be made to behave like one. From where did you receive the commission to declare: “Only 40 days more and the worldnewsmedia forum will be destroyed for its great badness”? You didn’t.

It could be argued that you are the most hypocritical one here. I have made no bones about being a bad boy in certain respects. Were I obedient to all aspects of counsel, I would not be here. That is equally true of you, but you don’t acknowledge it. Do you think the GB says: “There are a lot of yo-yos on that ‘out there’ website, but thank God, we have our man Billy to straighten them out”? No. They say: “Oh, man, that TTH is a screwball and now that gunslinger Billy is also carrying on! How come they don’t listen to us and stay on better channels?”

I am encouraged, Billy, and probably you are too, that ‘loyal’ ones seldom appear on this open club. If they come online, they stay in the closed club, which is spiritually more healthy. I like that. Don’t you? It shows an obedience on their part that neither you nor I display.

I have explained to you more than once my reasons for disregarding counsel on internet association. You don’t accept it, but they are still my reasons. I am a brother neither servant nor elder, though I have served in those capacities previously. I am universally liked in my circuit because I am a peacemaker and I am not wound up too tight, though there are probably a few who think I am a windbag. What am I going to tell them—that I’m not? Recently two elders approached me to say they would like to use me more in the congregation, but was there anything to the rumor that I associate with apostates? I told them that there was not, however what I did came close enough that it might easily be taken that way, and if we apply the direction given young people to all adults, then it clearly was that way, so for that sake we all decided it better to leave things just as they are.

I told them why I did what I did—that I learned a reporter who wrote several bad articles about us used a certain apostate Internet forum as his sole source. ‘If that’s the case, maybe others do as well. Maybe I can go there and plant some things that are more balanced,’ I told myself. I have put several long posts there, but afterwards I do not hang out. Each post produces a flurry of protests and I briefly answer a few, but after that I disappear. It is not a course that I recommend for others, and brothers usually get their heads handed to them on a platter when try, being severely outgunned and unprepared for the sheer onslaught that they trigger. It is being disobedient to counsel for me to do it, and I do not try to spin it otherwise. I would not presume to do it but for senior years, a long honed ability to write—if you do anything long enough, you tend to develop a knack for it—and enough humbling circumstances in life that I am not likely to become overly full of myself, much less go the way of these characters.

The rules are different here, Billy. It is not the congregation. If you knocked on a householder’s door who was a known ne’er do well and when he answered you saw some brothers inside, you might say to them: “Um, guys, do you really think that you should be here?” But if they did not respond, what would you do? Would you feel it your place to barge into that householder’s home and make those brothers behave as they ought? It is kind of what you are doing here.

We must respect our hostess here and abide by her rules--the Librarian, that old hen.

Given that I have chosen to be online, I commit no wrong in whatever association I have with @JW Insider. He has committed an extraordinary indiscretion, in my opinion, and I have done my duty as a brother in exhorting, even rebuking him, in the way that is most effective for me—by a skit painting him as the friendly but incredibly naïve poker player who fans out his full house for all to see. That’s about all I can do but it is what a brother should do. It will all be lost on him, most likely, because he sings the "theocracy dies in darkness" mantra more fervently than Jeff Bezos. Do you think that he ought to be disfellowshipped? If so, note that he is not, or at least if he is we don’t know about it, and can therefore with good conscience treat him as in good standing. And why is that the case--that he is not or that we don't know? Because this is the internet, and the internet cannot be made to behave as the congregation. Persons ought not be here if they cannot get their heads around that.

 

From @TrueTomHarley A personal letter to Billy the Kid. So why not in a personal folder 

And I still find it funny how you compare yourself to GB / JW rules when you say you've been a 'bad boy'.  

You go on about what the GB might have said and what the Elders said and how you 'justified yourself to men' (Elders), but no mention of Almighty God or Jesus Christ at all. 

You keep saying this is not a congregation on here. Every sentence is about the JW Org.

Tom please start thinking about GOD and JESUS CHRIST, not about pleasing men such as the GB and Elders. 

One good thing about being outside of the Org is that it gives a person a closer relationship with God through Christ.  And you have just proved that through your own writings. 

Look, the only people who have a clue that there even is such a thing as anointed as separate from every person just trying to be good is Jehovah’s Witnesses, 

Are you sure of this ? And are you saying that a person has to be a JW to believe in an Anointed class ? 

Are you saying that 'outsiders' cannot believe in the Anointed ? 

Once again Tom you only see things through the eyes of JW Org. 

 I advise you understand the difference between True Christianity and mainstream Christianity 

So SM you are not a JW, so are JW's True Christianity and if so why are you not one of the m ?  

I continue to find it funny how some folks take the scriptures and only apply them to the JW Org. 

The Catholics would apply the scriptures to themselves too, and the Anglicans etc..

I think folks should stop kidding themselves and remember that those scriptures in the Christian Greek 'half' of the Bible applied to the Anointed. 

And in my opinion they still belong to and apply to the Anointed.  Your 8 Americans are not the Anointed. So many of you are being misled.     So be it, because you are being misled because you want to be. 

James, a family of say 8 people, 2 parents and 6 children, are usually not united these days.  Billy's scriptures applied to the Anointed not the earthly class. Don't hope for too much in this system. 

Hope you are all well. I felt closer to God being out in the woodlands today, much closer than being in a Kingdom Hall, and no shirt and tie