JOHN BUTLER

Child Report :  Billy the Kid, does not play well with others. 

How do you know that ‘Judgement day’ is still a long way off yet?
Didn’t you just base that on your previous assessment that God has not yet produced a true Anointed? It does not sound like much to hang one’s hat on.
It wasn’t you.
I don’t. You, too, have read it wrong. I guess John has a point. it is well to identify who you are talking about and not just leave that identification to the thread. Even those who you think are paying rapt attention are just waiting for the other blowhard to stop talking so that they can make their own speech.

Some bromance

I don’t think you read this correctly. It had nothing to do with you, nor were you on my mind.

... AND NOW I RETURN THE  PROGRAM TO A SOMNAMBULISTIC  STATE OF OBLIVIOUS GLEE, PERCHANCE TO DREAM!....
zzzzZZZZzzzzzz.

( ...suppresses a chuckle, and tries to keep a straight face ...)
...actually Billy, that is  spelled "heunk! heunk!" 
Tiny European cars ... remember?

What is that, the horn sound from one of those tiny European cars?

I just got back from the meeting, and having lunch at Golden Corral with Susan, and had planned on working on my chicken coop and run, but it's 94 degrees out there!
Plan B is to irritate you, TTH, and then take a nap.
I sleep better if put a few bees in your bonnet, before a nap, or get a big red down arrow vote from BillyTheKid46.!

I'm A Little Black Rain Cloud, of course..mp4

That is totally a Billy the Kid comment.  So is Tom, Billy ?
Look how he /whomever twists what i have said. That is definitely Billy the Kid.  
The Devil IS Satan and Satan IS the Devil, but this comments tries to pretend he isn't . The question is WHY ? 
Billy I think you have dropped a big clanger here. 

Rank and file, ordinary people, Am Haarets reading Bible and Clergy say: We shall explain you what you reading and how you should to understand.
I am reading WT article and you say: Let GB and me explain how you should to understand. :))))
Ohhhh man! :)))

No, but they have a platonic spiritual "Bromance" going on, and are beginning to think alike.
(shudder!)
 

What! Have you gone back to the devil as a nasty red fellow with horns and a pitchfork who otherwise has no influence?
It is Satan whose ‘spirit’ pervades the air. Do you think that foul air has been sealed out of the university? Or does it emanate from it?
Granted, it is not so everywhere. I recall reading somewhere (not in a WT publication) that business majors and engineering majors seldom study at the expense of their faith. It is more to be found in today’s ‘liberal arts’ that is intertwined in everything. 
When it is not the food that is bad, it is the restaurant in which it is served, with it’s maitre d’s, chefs, and waiters. A la carte is the way to take your education wherever possible—cherry picking the best of it—rather than simply unlatching the top of your head and let today’s atheistic and/or politically minded professors (usually leftist) fill it with whatever they want.

Each to their own thinking Tom. I'll be happy that the specialist I've got to see at hospital has had some higher education. To know that those guys have some idea about cancer etc, well it gives one a bit of hope. And those guys that design and build the big scanners that can examine the whole body without actually tearing it apart, well you know I think higher education helped them a bit. There is still a lot of good that comes from higher education Tom. Even bloodless surgery must have involved higher education. The 'cell salvage' machines. 
 
 

@Space Merchant  I cannot understand your logic, so please explain to me you thinking.
Are you saying that there are many different types of Christian churches / religions / groups, that are serving God properly ? 
Are you saying that a person does not need to belong to one type of Christian group ?
You seem to find some good things in many different religions. So do you think that God or Christ works through many different Christian groups / religions ? 
Do you also think that God or Christ will give spiritual guidance to a person that is not part of a religious group ?
Do you think that if a person prays to God for spiritual guidance to gain understanding from the Bible, that God through Christ will give that person a better understanding of His written word ? 
Or do you feel that a person must be part of a particular religious group ? 
It would be nice to know your thought on these things.
Thank you, John
 

Do you by this answer suggesting, how in the same time here on Earth, beside not inspired prophets, existing also inspired prophets??
And please stop with this WTJWORG Mantra, how people are NOT INSPIRED but in the same time they are LED BY SPIRIT :))) This sort of logic is out of Mind.
 
Teach me to do Your will, For You are my God; Let Your good Spirit lead me on level ground. - Psalm                                    For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. - Romans                                                                        But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. - Galatians
How does WTJWORG stand is when faced with this meanings of LED? How looks LEVEL GROUND of WT Society? Or are they below ground level, and rowing to surface with constant error  mandate instructions that members have to obey?                                                                                                                                                                                                     What sort of sons they are if they making claims/spread doubt, under spirit led guidance;   Do the other sheep need to know the names of all anointed ones still on earth today? No. Why not? Because it is not possible for anyone to know for sure that these ones will get their reward...  Anointed Christians cannot be sure that they will receive their reward until Jehovah makes it clear to them that he has judged them as faithful... So anointed ones do not think that they are better than others. They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else...They also know that when Jehovah anointed them, he did not let everyone else know about it. So an anointed person is not surprised if some do not believe right away that he has been anointed...Unlike Jehovah, the brothers who count the number of people eating the bread and drinking the wine at the Memorial do not know who truly is anointed. So the number includes those who think that they are anointed but are not. For example, some who used to eat the bread and drink the wine later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems and believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Clearly, we do not know exactly how many anointed ones are left on earth. - JWorg library source
- They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants...  This Act of/when JHVH Giving His HS, to me means, giving inspiration. It is ACTION that God making to someone, This God's decision to Give NOT depends on some person who wish or want HS, who working in Betel or study Bible 12 hours a day or spend 90 hours in preaching with Tablet and magazines or who just sitting and waiting. Because even Donkey can be inspired and talk God's words. If God can make donkey to preach by act of HS Inspiration why is problem to accept possibility of Inspiration on human who are made on JHVH Image? 
Well, we have here (in WT Society) constant playing with terminology and lexis. We have people who showing their belongings to anointed class, who are, supposedly, appointed by God to be in Leading Position or Governing position as Body, but who denied even small possibility that God is powerful enough to put His Spirit on them and to be Source and Cause. In same time this people tell others to obey and listen to them as to God and Jesus because Organization (Corporation) is, imagine!!, led by this same Spirit, which they denied that have power over them. So we have here Donkey (WTJWORG Corporation) on whom God can put His Spirit, but can not put His Spirit on Balaam (Governing Body) :)))        
       

The answer is yes.
As stated before, Christians are prophets.
Proclaiming the message of God's Kingdom, the Great Commission, the New Covenant, spreading the truth of what the Bible teaches, passing on said wisdom of the Scriptures to the young so they to their children. Such things are to be taken seriously for the teachings has been commanded in regards to spreading it. As Christians we should not fail what Jesus commanded, we should push to spread the gospel until the Most High sends Jesus a second time to right the wrongs of the viral taint spread out by the one who conquers this world.
You have a choice, you either get on this Ark, or remain there out in the open. God has given us free will and as Christians we use our time and resources to serve and religiously worship him for he was the one who sent his son, Jesus, whom he made Christ, to provide amnesty by means of giving his life for us.
 
That being said, you can joke around here with us, for we are but flesh, bone and water, but best be knownest to you, Srecko, you cannot joke with God. For there is both life and death before you - and I hope you pick wisely, for the choice of these two isn't the same as picking what chips you want from a vendor machine.

@JOHN BUTLER And yet months ago we see were you align yourself, remember Mr. Gardener, he is among many who professed that JWs claim the world would end in 1975, and has not only garnered a community, but profits and the like from such ones who follow him. His community is a mix of ExJWs, ExMuslims, Atheists, and a list of others, as is with like-minded focus target Christians. Ironically enough, some among them are the same ones that would defend Christians who claim inspiration, vocally and verbally, but yet when they make their error they only get a pat on the back.

No problem. Your secret is safe with me.

Yes, it has been debunked, and I had given evidence to such by means of said sources in which you were refuted on before as with others. Nothing here is a claim of them stating the world will end at 1975, therefore, such remains unfounded.

This is a good set of points. (I changed the bullets to numbers for discussion.)
Do you think that all of them have to be true at once? Or can 5 of the 7 bullets be true? Or only 2 of the 7?
Actually it appears that #1 through #6 are characteristic "ingredients" or features that will ultimately lead to #7 which is the actual cult product. That product becomes a support structure that can continue to support and enhance and defend the features of #1 through #6.
But there is also the question of a spectrum rather than black and white labeling. Within that spectrum there are variables for intention, motivation, flexibility, freedom, independent thinking, perceived spiritual value, etc.
I've kept an interest in this topic for years.
In fact, at Bethel I tried to study with some Moonies, who seemed receptive (they weren't). I did it mostly to get into their "community" warehouse, where they offered me crackers, milk, and fruit nectar (and more publications). Since then I've had a couple of LDS elders come by the house and make 4 return visits to try to study with me (I would point out things I found on anti-LDS sites, but woudn't study with them of course). And, working right near the NYC Scientology center in midtown I also took their little Bethel-like presentation tour a couple of times, and even met David Miscavige (from a short distance away) and heard him talk about how they helped 9/11 responders. On May 20, 2011, I spoke at length with a Harold Camping follower who gave me an entire CD/DVD full of proof that the rapture would be on May 21, 2011. I have a cousin who is a staunch Seventh Day Adventist, so I also studied as much of the early historical information about them as I could to try to convince her that the Witnesses had the more correct Adventist path. After trying to study them closely, I decided there was a little bit of "cult" in all of them. Of course, I mean in the pejorative sense that people use the term cult --based mostly on those bullet points you offered.
It's a stretch, but one could even defend or explain why one might call the Catholic Church a cult, because there are several of your bullet point features that are often seen in the lives and activities of some Catholics. The same might go for various political ideologies, even so broad as the United States Republican or Democrat parties, or various others  -- all in the pejorative sense.
But there are also nearly neutral or even nearly positive senses in which scholars use the term cult. Scholars can also look at the history of various religious groups and can speak of the cult of Yahweh in Israel, or the cult of John the Baptist, or the cult of primitive Christianity. This is not intended pejoratively. It's mostly used to help one realize the context in which a religious group survives and "cultivates" itself in a setting where they might be outnumbered by other larger religious groups surrounding them.

Things like this are a good test of peoples' integrity.  
ESPECIALLY when the test has a simple YES or NO answer, and they are aware that they will answer to Almighty God, for lying.  Honest questions deserve honest answers, and unless life or liberty are at stake, are appropriate.
Especially in a discussion room where credibility is so very important ... as we are casually discussing life and death matters.
 


so here goes.....
1.) BillyTheKid46, ... are you now or have you ever been one of Jehovah's Witnesses ? ... and,
2.) are you now, or have ever been a Watchtower Lawyer, or anything similar?
3.) Space Merchant:  Are you now or have you ever been one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Working on the exchange of information theory of Steven Covey, in "The Seven Habits of Successful People", about emotional "bank accounts" ... that it is immoral to try and make a withdrawal without having enough "deposits" to cover it ... please consider all the personal information about myself I have freely given here, to try and contribute to general understanding ... including my real name, and real picture, ad nauseaum, as enough "deposit" to cover the request for a withdrawal from YOUR emotional bank accounts, for information not already volunteered.
Of course this only works between men of integrity, and will be ridiculed and/or ignored by weasels.
 

Hmm. It looks to me like you may need a visit from the ‘bad cop.’

That is EXACTLY what I think of when I hear the cringeworthy label "overlapping generations"..

Each to their own thinking Tom. I'll be happy that the specialist I've got to see at hospital has had some higher education. To know that those guys have some idea about cancer etc, well it gives one a bit of hope. And those guys that design and build the big scanners that can examine the whole body without actually tearing it apart, well you know I think higher education helped them a bit. There is still a lot of good that comes from higher education Tom. Even bloodless surgery must have involved higher education. The 'cell salvage' machines. 
 
 

Yes. I know. I was more talking about myself. I went ahead and posed the question because I personally am only GUESSING that he is a JW. I also think that he is probably quite a bit younger than several of us here, and therefore does not have the personal experience that many of us experienced directly with those predictions for the 1970's and the expectations surrounding 1975. 
I have believed since the first set of posts I read from SM, that he is a JW and is using a kind of "lawyer's honesty" in focusing on the fact that he is a Unitarian, [Primitive Christianity] Restorationist, etc. If you read closely you will notice that these terms are exactly in line with his definition of JWs. JWs are, in fact, both unitarian and restorationist, and most of us should have no problem admitting this.
In fact, what do you think would happen if someone tried to point out some information from so-called "official" Unitarian sites and publications that sounded too different from what Witnesses teach? We shouldn't be surprised to see SM ridicule such sources as "stupid" and point out that he is a "Biblical Unitarian." In other words, one of Jehovah's Witnesses.