JOHN BUTLER

WOW! Wahahaat a concept!
1.) ... an Earthly Class ... those of the "other sheep".
2.) ... a Heavenly Class ... those of the Anointed.
3.) ... a Corporate Class ... Watchtower Lawyers and Accountants.
 

Come, come. Stop weaseling. This is not an answer. The question was: ‘‘How will you know when judgement is just a short way off yet?’
Planning to die real soon, are you?
If it is composed of anyone like the anointed ones of first-century Bible record, it will make some adjustments to changing times and circumstances. As soon as that happens, you will call them all liars. It is your pattern. There is no reason to think that would change.
You really don’t know how things work, do you?

I think Noah was a bit more proactive. Or did he just put a sign on the side or the Ark ? 

Since you don’t know that it is, why do you bring it up?
Next thing you know, you will have everyone at the convention counting their time once a visitor walks into the auditorium.

I agree ... here in North Carolina we also have Drag Racing, and some people think it is deliberate torture to make them run with high heels.

Do you think it is wrong, then, for the brothers to do cart witnessing in this place with plenty of foot traffic?
What of when the friends call on people who are home but decline to answer the door? Do you think is wrong for the Witnesses to move on? Or should they be more proactive and knock on the door for an hour, if need be, until the householder answers?
Come, come. You are simply an enemy of Jehovah’s Witnesses and feel obliged to criticize everything they do. There is nothing wrong with the cart work.

I do it is fair to make the “worldly education system” take responsibility for the world that is has collectively created. Very few who have prominent roles in the governing of this system of things are not highly educated. They should embrace what they have produced.

“For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note—they even ignored the literature carts!—until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”
 
 

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...as an aside ....  Sir Isaac Newton knew that the core beliefs (not the 85% drivel) of Jehovah's Witnesses were correct, and could PROVE IT, just as we can ... hundreds of years before there was a Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
HE WAS ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN HIS CORE THEOLOGY!
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Sir Isaac Newton's FIRST love was theology ... and his minor obsessions were with physics, and math, etc.
Arguably the smartest natural man who has ever lived.
He hand wrote MILLIONS of words on theological subjects, and his collected religious works are now stored in the Hebrew National Museum, in Jerusalem.  OF COURSE I have not read them, but from three large biographies about his life, it seems safe to say this about him.
He never published ANYTHING without rigorous proofs, as he EXPECTED to be challenged on EVERYTHING.
To the best of my knowledge he was NEVER wrong ... even though he experimented with Alchemy extensively, as the science of Chemistry did not really exist back then ... and he did what he could with what was known at the time.
Even the WTB&TS alluded to the theory that he may have been one of the Anointed, and there is nothing I have ever read about him that would disprove that theory.
Without getting into a 20 page thesis, it seems his considered opinion was that Armageddon would occur in the year 2060, but perhaps as early as 2032.
Of course, it may occur in the next five minutes, as no one knows, or has ever known when the Great Day of Jehovah will start .... however ... I get that same feeling, looking at world events .... and Sir Isaac Newton was NEVER wrong (?), and about such things the Society (along with everybody else on Earth, for two millennia) ... have never been right.
If the Society had a "theology credibility credit rating" about ANY prophetic prediction they have ever made, with the big three predominate credit rating companies here in the United States: TransUnion, Experian, and Equifax ... what would their "theology credibility credit rating" be?
ZERO.
 
"In God We Trust"
... all others pay cash!
 

@James Thomas Rook Jr. When you speak with the authority of Jehovah God ... and you are right about 15% of the time, and make up stuff out of THIN AIR, and punish others for not believing as you do ... and you are flat WRONG 85% of the time ..... who then is the apostate?
James, I've just arrived home and I've been out in the sun, it's very hot here, so excise me for being slightly in a confused state. However, I do not understand where you are coming from. 
I presume this quote of yours above is referring to the GB / W/t / JW Org. But I keep thinking you are a JW. 
It is a complex problem, as we have TRUTH, not available, anywhere else ... and that TRUTH, when not contaminated, represents freedom and life itself.
Then we have this. 'as we have TRUTH not available anywhere else'.  AS who has truth ?  Not the GB surely ? 
Let's not get TTH going about JW org being the 'only game in town'.  Oh dear.   
So JW's go door to door with 85% lies / non truth, if your top statement is right. And 85% of what's written in the mags and books is lies/ wrong too. 
And JW's go to the meetings to have 'their ears tickled', and are willing to pay for that too. 
And the GB / W/t / JW Org is just big business. That's what I'm getting from your comments. 

I was once told that I could not be a JW if I did not witness to others.  I would be a Jehovah's bystander . 

I was once told that I could not be a JW if I did not witness to others.  I would be a Jehovah's bystander . 

Could it be that "Foreigner", the voiceless phantom who has bad opinions about, and "downvotes" EVERYBODY .... except Billy(Just Weasel)theKid46 .... is a disembodied demon from Hell, or worse, a disembodied  Watchtower Lawyer resembling a protoplasmic giant hand, with the stump sitting in a chair, awkwardly manipulating a computer mouse?
It's just an idea I had, based on month's and months of evidence.  Nothing more ...
I would ask "Foreigner" to confirm or deny, but that might prevent Billy(Just Weasel)theKid46 from weighing in on this theory.
Perhaps Billy(Just Weasel)theKid46 has "Foreigner" wrapped up in duct tape, and it's the best he can do?
It's just an idea I had, based on month's and months of evidence.  Nothing more ...
 

Comparing two unequal education systems makes no sense at all.
It is a complex problem, as we have TRUTH, not available, anywhere else ... and that TRUTH, when not contaminated, represents freedom and life itself.
There is a difference between a compendium of facts, ideas and concepts in a school or universities'  science books, which cumulatively changes as more knowledge is acquired .... and someone who claims to represent God and righteousness, and supposedly getting it right as led by Holy Spirit.
What is taught in schools and universities can be continually tested to see if it is true.
The Bible is a FINISHED PRODUCT, but most can only be tested through the lens of common sense. 
Evey religion that has ever existed, or exists now,  has been and is seduced into abandoning common sense ... because of "Free Money".
Comparison of the two educational systems  is not valid.    They do NOT have the same basis.
When you speak with the authority of Jehovah God ... and you are right about 15% of the time, and make up stuff out of THIN AIR, and punish others for not believing as you do ... and you are flat WRONG 85% of the time ..... who then is the apostate?
Yes, I suppose prostitutes give more value for the money than  lawyers, most of the time, but that is not the point.
When you collect other people's money for "feel-good"  made up stories ( and there is quite a list, as we have discussed here for years...) you become, not a representative of the True God, but a professional story teller with a bloodied knife for those that don't like manufactured fantasy, for MONEY!
There is a very real and dramatic difference between being an apostate to the Christ, and the True God, Jehovah, and being an apostate to the clueless, opinionated, made up out of wishful thinking, arbitrary "flavor of the month".
"New Light", means you .... no matter WHO you are ....  are actually an apostate to what you believed and/or taught as Truth, last month.
If you are at the top of the hierarchy ... you get money, real estate, unlimited free labor, status,  and adulation. You NEVER go hungry, live in a dump, dress shabbily, or sleep cold.
If you are at the bottom of the hierarchy, you get the knife, and are ENCOURAGED to go hungry, live in a dump, dress shabbily, and sleep cold.
 

Just piping up here; I agree of course, but I'm sure you will admit that some sort of organizational structure is also necessary, especially with a view to the preaching activity...

Only because I'm an ex witness and I know the game.
I stood and watched, waiting for someone to go up and talk to them or even just take a magazine, but no one went near them. 

But your people need all those monthly reports so as to count your membership. 
Stand by a trolly / cart for one hour a month and you are a member to be counted. Do half an hour on the doors a month and you are a member to be counted, as long as you don't forget to put in your monthly report  . 

One thing is quite funny @Josué2 when translated to French then back to English, the English is not  the same as the original. 
My previous comment reads differently after the double translation.. Similar with @Matthew9969 the 'cart' has now become a 'basket' .
As for @Judith Sweeney Hours as a date reference should be for internal reference surely ? Not for announcement from the platform. 
Announcing it from the platform is indeed like the religious leaders of Jesus' time that it seems had a 'trumpet announcement' when they gave a large gift. 
Quote : "Some in here...@ John Butler are just trying to malign the congregations and the good works that are being done." 
Whereas I wrote :- 
The one thing i see is that those doing the ministry are showing themselves as believing and not frightened to be seen doing what they think is God's work. 
Is that having evil intentions ? I think it is just plain truth. 
 

Thank you, that is indeed a help.. 

Posted 2 hours ago
 
 there is no question of boasting.
Is this two-ballooning slander?
In Anglais JTR Jr. But what is  'two-ballooning' ? 

You cannot have SELECTIVE application of that bloviating statement, Billy.
It's either universally true, or it is not true.
And i would say it applies even more so for the GB that say they are the 'Faithful and discreet slave' and have made it their business to control over 8 million people's lives. 
Anything i may say can be either agreed with or dismissed with no consequence to the person that agrees or disagrees.
Not so in the JW Org, whereby if a JW disagrees with the GB they can be disfellowshipped and lose everyone and everything they love.

You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe, knowing from what persons you learned them - nwt
Well now, JW's have a little problem in carrying out this advice, recommendations. How so? Because during the life time of each JW generation, it has changed more than one teaching, or interpretation of that teaching. If JW member want to stay, to stick with "Bible teachings" from some past period of time, he will be spiritually retarded, has not kept pace with the carriage :)))) For JW members this Bible verse is almost impossible to follow, even in some Basic Doctrines of small or big importance.  
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28.
This can only be seen in retrospect. Of course, how else but in retrospective, for many of us. :))
...all things work together for good to those who love God,.. In freedom of thinking and interpretation of this Inspired Words, I would like to say how for some of us, this sort of good can be our living WTJWORG because maybe we are called according to His purpose  to get out. 
An example of this, questioning the oath you swore loyalty by baptism before God.  I hope that you know difference between Oath i gave in 1977 and Oath other people gave from June 1985. ??!!
 

Over the weekend, I was in a circuit way out there in the back hills, and I came to know some of the strange ways of the local elders out there.
I learned that when they really got riled at one another, they would spit out out the most spiteful words that they could think of: “May you be assigned to preside in JTR’s congregation!”

Sometime I fantasize about being a multi-millionaire, and being able to arrange my time to Pioneer ... but not only that ... but to put a full HUNDRED hours a month in the Field Service.
I would hire a pilot and aircraft to fly up and down Miami Beach, Florida , about 1/4 mile from the beach, towing behind a "JW.ORG" banner, with the Scripture "John 9:41", and watch it through my sunglasses.
..... the rough equivalent of a Brother standing beside his literature cart all day
I am reasonably sure that if I contributed  $30,000 a month to the local Kingdom Hall, as "Prince" did, not only could I "count my time" .... I would be a "Pillar" in the Organization.  AND, at the same time, get a nice tan!
 
....er ... "Pillar" .... NOT "Pillow".