JOHN BUTLER

Quote @Outta Here : This process of coercive control creates followers who are controlled by or for the leader without regard for their own needs.
One needs to be a bit careful about this idea I think. Because the scriptures tell us to put God before all things and even to risk our own lives for our 'brothers' (whomever they may be) 
We know that Jesus willingly gave his earthly life to give praise and glory to his heavenly Father and to give humans a chance of everlasting life on a paradise earth. 
One has to think about who their 'leader' really is.  If our 'leader' is Christ and he is leading us to a closer relationship with God, with everlasting life in view, then we must be prepared to face even death beforehand. We obviously need the faith in the resurrection to do so.  This is from scripture not from JW Org. 
In my opinion the Watchtower  / JW Org are too big a business to be a cult as such. And being earthwide I see them more as a full on religion, even though they are heading in a wrong direction. 
I mean the Catholics are earthwide and have the Pope as their leader but i don't think the Catholic church is a cult either.  
To the point about the W/t being big business, they have shareholders. I thought shareholders were people that made profit from a company/business. You put money in and get more money out. But I suppose that should be another topic. 
 

Thanks for comment, but I disagree :))
Every Prophet must be "Inspired" for reason to be called A Prophet. If he is not then he is Not a Prophet. In this context when using word Prophets, i guess, is about Bible Prophesies. And as such, Bible Prophets was Inspired by JHVH. Every True Bible Prophets was INSPIRED by JHVH, as they state. But every False Bible Prophets was also Inspired. Don't you think the same? Question is by who? By devil spirit or by Own spirit?
Perhaps such person (Christians in general) is just someone Who Repeat Other People Words. And if he, in this repeating of Old Prophets Words going Further, to Let Say: Interpret Prophet's Words by giving Explanation and Time of fulfillment or Way how Words would/will be Fulfilled... than such person or Christians or Organization or Church is .... what?  
..... Spirit Led?? :))
As I said in preamble, we can speaking (for now) about 3 sort of spirit: divine, demonic and human. AND ALL THREE have the same quality, they can INSPIRE. And by that reason when GB of WTJWORG said how they are not Inspired, they said wrong. Because they are Inspired ... by some of this three spirits, and also in variation of influence made by this three spirits on people in one Organization.   
  

You mean like in a movie serial Dumb and Dumber :)))))

And yet this word of mouth claim of yours was dealt with the last time we spoke of demographics (twice), and if I recall, you unleash the circus and the mental gymnastics on said notion, an act that can easily be done away with a 3rd time if need be.
Elementary stuff, Butler. Also, remember - Jesus was very very knowledge of the Scriptures as a child. In fact, all Jews take up and obverse God's Law very early. It is unknown if you were ignorant and or unaware of this, I advise you look into Shema Yisrael and all things that hang for it. Jesus speaks such for a reason.
As is with Jesus, and all before and after him. It did not stop young ones from observing God's Law and reading the Scriptures. Again, if you actually read your bible and took up spiritual wisdom, you'd realize how the Jews operated, including Jesus, but you negate everything when you sibtract what took place before his ministry.
Forced, I ask you before to give evidence of this, twice, but this word of mouth falls short. That is like the saying by some who say Christians force children to read the Bible, when in reality it is encouraged to do so.
But as was exposed on your account, your folly in the realm of statistics is as great as the light from the sun for discerning ones to see it and give a rebuttal.
So where is the evidence in this regard to which was asked but never shown?
Remember, Jesus was a very young boy and it was wise in the Law of God, probably beyond both his human parents. He knew very well who his God and Father is and the context of his words found in Luke 2 passage shows, in fact, what one can see by reading and taking in the context and references of Luke 2:41-52 entirely.
A Christian parent are to encourage their children to seek the Scriptures and the truth and teachings that it brings, hence why it is said that we must pass on wisdom to the young ones, to teach them, despite being under their parents, the child has his or her choice to take up what is said, whereas the parent, who is of authority can encourage. 
Even outside of the realm of faith, this also comes in form in terms of education in and outside of the home, for it is no different concerning a child and the Scriptures.
That being said, with the you said here after this response of yours, I suggest you better read, understand, and mediate on the Bible, let alone study and teach yourself because the lack is clearly seen, hence your attempted exegesis expressed here.
Aside from that overwhelming fact in terms of demographics/adherents is factual over your lunacy, so much as so, even Rook is alluding to the research website that is accurate in terms of the faith group, as is with other faith groups. They would not sully their reputation for your unproven word of mouth info when nearly everyone is knowing of such facts, even the Christian Today folk.

Oh they do you know. You did!

You are the one with the name of a child, Kid. Pretending to be a tough cowboy. Go polish your guns kid. 

Apologize in advance :)) but you also sometimes giving your contributions and increasing that "stupidity" :))

@BillyTheKid46 Quote " I criticize those that think they have the right to criticize the Watchtower. "
What is the Watchtower to you ? What exactly does that word Watchtower mean ?
Who runs that Watchtower, who is in charge ?   
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a non-stock, not-for-profit organization[4] headquartered in Warwick, New York. It is the main legal entity used worldwide by Jehovah's Witnesses to direct, administer and disseminate doctrines for the group and is often referred to by members of the denomination simply as "the Society". It is the parent organization of a number of Watch Tower subsidiaries, including the Watchtower Society of New York and International Bible Students Association.[5][6] The number of voting shareholders of the corporation is limited to between 300 and 500 "mature, active and faithful" male Jehovah's Witnesses.[7] About 5800 Jehovah's Witnesses provide voluntary unpaid labour, as members of a religious order, in three large Watch Tower Society facilities in New York;[8] nearly 15,000 other members of the order work at the Watch Tower Society's other facilities worldwide. 
Governing Body
In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."[53]
Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent).[50] Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.[54]
If this info is correct then the Watchtower is run by the Governing Body. So as bosses of the W/t they are responsible for lies, mistakes, failures, etc of the W/t, and the GB are responsible for lives, and deaths of many people. 
Your idea of using Watchtower as a cover up,  does not work. The Watchtower is known as two things.
1. An Organisation / Society.
2. A magazine.
Which ever you see it as it still has to be run by humans, and have leaders. Those leaders are the Governing Body.  Therefore that GB are responsible for any good or bad that it produces. 
 

Josue2
You are obviously trying to share information which may be valuable.
How about I make a deal with you .... you write in English, and I will not reply in Klingon?
Otherwise, your efforts are completely wasted on anyone who does not speak French.
I spit and yell in Klingon.
..... both at the same time!

One thing is quite funny @Josué2 when translated to French then back to English, the English is not  the same as the original. 
My previous comment reads differently after the double translation.. Similar with @Matthew9969 the 'cart' has now become a 'basket' .
As for @Judith Sweeney Hours as a date reference should be for internal reference surely ? Not for announcement from the platform. 
Announcing it from the platform is indeed like the religious leaders of Jesus' time that it seems had a 'trumpet announcement' when they gave a large gift. 
Quote : "Some in here...@ John Butler are just trying to malign the congregations and the good works that are being done." 
Whereas I wrote :- 
The one thing i see is that those doing the ministry are showing themselves as believing and not frightened to be seen doing what they think is God's work. 
Is that having evil intentions ? I think it is just plain truth. 
 

I agree with you. And, when on ministry some make a habit of walking very slowly between houses and also stopping for a chat. That's here in Devon England. They also go driving around the countryside looking for 'lost' houses to call on. 
There does not seem to be the importance given in the physical ministry, compared to that given in the Bible. But at least they are out there and trying.... Shame a lot of it is false 'news' anyway. 
The one thing i see is that those doing the ministry are showing themselves as believing and not frightened to be seen doing what they think is God's work. 

@BillyTheKid46 Quote " I criticize those that think they have the right to criticize the Watchtower. "
What is the Watchtower to you ? What exactly does that word Watchtower mean ?
Who runs that Watchtower, who is in charge ?   
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a non-stock, not-for-profit organization[4] headquartered in Warwick, New York. It is the main legal entity used worldwide by Jehovah's Witnesses to direct, administer and disseminate doctrines for the group and is often referred to by members of the denomination simply as "the Society". It is the parent organization of a number of Watch Tower subsidiaries, including the Watchtower Society of New York and International Bible Students Association.[5][6] The number of voting shareholders of the corporation is limited to between 300 and 500 "mature, active and faithful" male Jehovah's Witnesses.[7] About 5800 Jehovah's Witnesses provide voluntary unpaid labour, as members of a religious order, in three large Watch Tower Society facilities in New York;[8] nearly 15,000 other members of the order work at the Watch Tower Society's other facilities worldwide. 
Governing Body
In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."[53]
Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent).[50] Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.[54]
If this info is correct then the Watchtower is run by the Governing Body. So as bosses of the W/t they are responsible for lies, mistakes, failures, etc of the W/t, and the GB are responsible for lives, and deaths of many people. 
Your idea of using Watchtower as a cover up,  does not work. The Watchtower is known as two things.
1. An Organisation / Society.
2. A magazine.
Which ever you see it as it still has to be run by humans, and have leaders. Those leaders are the Governing Body.  Therefore that GB are responsible for any good or bad that it produces. 
 

@BillyTheKid46 Quote " I criticize those that think they have the right to criticize the Watchtower. "
What is the Watchtower to you ? What exactly does that word Watchtower mean ?
Who runs that Watchtower, who is in charge ?   
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a non-stock, not-for-profit organization[4] headquartered in Warwick, New York. It is the main legal entity used worldwide by Jehovah's Witnesses to direct, administer and disseminate doctrines for the group and is often referred to by members of the denomination simply as "the Society". It is the parent organization of a number of Watch Tower subsidiaries, including the Watchtower Society of New York and International Bible Students Association.[5][6] The number of voting shareholders of the corporation is limited to between 300 and 500 "mature, active and faithful" male Jehovah's Witnesses.[7] About 5800 Jehovah's Witnesses provide voluntary unpaid labour, as members of a religious order, in three large Watch Tower Society facilities in New York;[8] nearly 15,000 other members of the order work at the Watch Tower Society's other facilities worldwide. 
Governing Body
In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."[53]
Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent).[50] Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.[54]
If this info is correct then the Watchtower is run by the Governing Body. So as bosses of the W/t they are responsible for lies, mistakes, failures, etc of the W/t, and the GB are responsible for lives, and deaths of many people. 
Your idea of using Watchtower as a cover up,  does not work. The Watchtower is known as two things.
1. An Organisation / Society.
2. A magazine.
Which ever you see it as it still has to be run by humans, and have leaders. Those leaders are the Governing Body.  Therefore that GB are responsible for any good or bad that it produces. 
 

I found this: 9 Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity - https://www.learnreligions.com/faith-groups-that-reject-trinity-doctrine-700367
I believe how same is with immortal soul. JW's are not only one who have this teachings. 

If you weasel word your answer, or don't answer, you could legitimately be re-labeled  :
                                             "Billy(Just Weasel)theKid46"
           ... notice that the "Just Weasel" is spelled with a capital "J", and "W", which you considered JW Insider's screen name to be an affront against God.
You wouldn't want THOSE SAME irrational fruitcake rules applied to YOU ..... now would you, huh Billy?
 

For example:
Virtually unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses is the idea that when the person dies, the soul dies, for the two terms are synonymous. The dead are non-existent, pending future resurrection. Failing to recognize this leads to teachings that God ‘takes’ people, even children, for his ‘heavenly garden.’ It is a non-comforting slander against Him that may have tripped up even Darwin. Imagine how history might have played out differently had he been exposed to religious truth and not error. 
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/01/two-darwin-things-that-might-have-changed-history.html

What a magnificent peacemaker you are, Billy .... truly a LEGEND, in your own mind.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Let me know where in this forum i wasn't criticized? You doing that almost in every comment.  :))
And why you had need to changing @JW Insider name, for example? Because of one letter. Do you think how letters J and W is holy if it is together (JW), and how people who have J and W in name have to believe in particular dogmas? Why, please, why you downsize level of discussion in personal animosity toward this or that person? If you consider some of us not worth to hear because of "stupidity" or because "lack of spirituality" or because of "someones secret agenda" then please, change the strategy. This what  you doing, Not Working.

OF COURSE IT WILL NEVER WORK WITH YOU BILLY!
You have WATCHTOWER DERANGEMENT SYNDROME (WDS).
Your entire perspective on life, the Universe, and Everything, is NOT based on TRUTH ... it is based on your agenda!
To prove this (to everybody BUT you) ... I need merely to point out that you did NOT refute John Butler's observation WITH A RATIONAL ARGUMENT ....
... only preparing for a stroke with your DISAGREEMENT OF IT.
You vigorously disagreed with YOUR OWN WORDS, in order to defend your agenda!
 

... there is NO weasel words that will get around THAT self-evident statement.

....and anytime there is NEW LIGHT, it shows the GB DID NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE.
.....  except in Billy-Think ... where you can have it BOTH ways at the same time.
... and a MILLION weasel words will not change that.

According to Billy-Think, you can change the definitions of words to mean whatever the Society's Writing Department WISHES them to mean.
Or in the words of Bugs Bunny ... "ERRRRRR .... What's up Doc?"
Or, in the photocopied words of that desperado, bandito wanna-be of the Old West ....

For who?
This all conversation is about GB statement; We are not inspired, Our study on Bible is not inspired, Our articles are not inspired. We can err.
Than ... How they could/will be leaded, guided, learned by God and/or by his Spirit if even little piece, little measure of spirit through Inspiration was not/are not "shadow" them?   If they not receiving Inspiration from God...All their hard spiritual work is of human source, and result of human inspiration. 
Or we can go to use this logic.
If 20%, 10% or 5% of teachings in WTJWORG is indisputable truth, reason for that is because holy spirit revealed that truth to this human. Revelation comes through Inspiration, i guess.  Or, somebody can give other perspective?!
If 80%, 90% or 95% of teachings in WTJWORG is harmful chatter, reason for that is .....:)))) we all know the answer, or at least can give a assumption. :))
 
 

You are showing God, you don't have confidence in him to make judgment calls on earth.
Or am i just showing the GB / JW Org that i don't have confidence in them to make judgements on God's behalf.