JOHN BUTLER

Well you are all still 'in the wilderness' on manna, but you get bored with it and ask for something different. Hence those you serve give you different things to play with. A bit like parents trying to please their children i suppose  .
Shame none of it is really the 'truth' that the Org pretends it is.  So not only new tools but new message too.

(Referring to the JW.ORG screen shot posted above ... which was presented without comment of any kind! )
I would like to get on the phone with Bro. Anthony Morris III (AKA "Tight Pants Tony"), and ask him if that JW Broadcasting photo of the Telly Awards is a front or rear view?
Melinda has a good point ....
..... Perhaps the discussion group could include 20 or 30 of the WT lawyers, along with the GB.
It would certainly protect the programming from getting into a rut!
You could call the program "The Big Bang Theory, View from The Far Side".
 
 

CAPTION: " BROTHER!, ARE THOSE PANTS TIGHT PANTS?"
 
 

Following on from @Srecko Sostar this management / board of directors now say that are the 'Faithful and discreet slave'. 
Thank you Srecko. 
But i lost it a bit about if they are all supposed to be of the anointed or not now.  Either way it does seem a crafty move and i find it quite funny that the W/t changed their title to suit their own convenience. 
Board of Directors = Faithful and discreet slave,   I don't think so   
As the Board of Directors of course, it is much easier to understand how they try to hide the pedopphilia problem and try to stop victims claiming compensation. It's big business isn't it ? They don't want their business to lose money or status.
Um, Judas was the money handler wasn't he, and look what he did and how he ended up.

Wow, complicated huh. So, once upon a time the Board of Directors were the GB. But in 1971 the GB was the Board of directors + other older brothers. However since 2001 the GB and the Board of Directors are two seperate groups of men. 
Now I have more questions. The Watchtower B&T Society is one 'company', whilst the, Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a seperate 'company'.  
When exactly did they seperate and why ? 
So who rules over which 'company', GB or Board of Directors, or both ? 
And which of those two 'bodies' GB or B of D has the highest rank / control, over which of the two companies ?
I think the $4000 a day fine situation was because the GB / B of D  were deliberately slowing down court proceedings by sending letters between the W/T and the CCJW, as each has its own legal departments. 
Try comparing that to the 'early Christians'.  Did they have two 'companies' and two legal departments ? 
Jesus didn't even have a bed to call his own. 
It must cost the congregants a fortune in donations  
 

No. This remark just reflects your personal orneriness and incessant faultfinding.
It is the humanity that they spring from that is the problem. They work mightily to apply the scripture in their own lives even as they recommend it to others. It is hard for them to make headway in the face of ones like you. Fortunately, you are in the minority (even if the majority here).
John carries on that if something is not perfect, then it is filthy. He doesn’t like the GB. Nor do you. He apparently wants a person or persons whose credentials and calling are as uncontested as they were with Moses. He neglects the fact that his (and your) counterparts back then did nothing but whine about Moses, also.
 
 

One thing that lends credence to the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses really are God's people is how well we do IN SPITE of the Governing Body ... not because of it.
They chase away a LOT of people.
 

I am afraid "smug" is  being very generous.
The general conception of Jehovah's Witnesses, to again be "generous", is that we are programmed simpletons, and a Saturday morning nuisance, that has to be tolerated, with understanding, sympathy, and compassion ( except in the Russian Federation ...).
Your observations are the norm, except for the GB's opinions, which are naive as well as smug.

So do you. 
If we accept that the Bible is God’s prime method of communication to humans (which I do), sooner or later we are struck by the fact that very little of it is lecture. In contrast, if you went to college, almost all of it is lecture. What to make of this?
Much of the New Testament, not only is not lecture, but is ostensibly not even written for us. It largely consists of letters written to other parties, from which we glean things about God, his thinking, and his dealings. What to make of this, too?
When I mentioned this before and how it had influenced me, Srecko tried to bait me, asking whether I considered myself inspired like the apostle Paul (who wrote the majority of the letters). The answer is no. However, I am inspired by his example. If it is good enough for him (and for God, apparently, because it is included in the Bible canon) why should it not be good enough for me? It inspired in my blog an entirely new category: Skirmishes.
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/05/skirmish-970621-vastly-simplified-tracts-.html
They are not all from this board. Some are from boards that are private. When they are, I do not reveal anything specific of the writer, but only my reaction to it. John will pop a vein over this, but in all cases they merely come from people who do not want to have their 15 minutes of fame before the whole wide world. In no cases are they “the smoking gun” that he strives so mightily to locate. The true smoking popguns are to be found here.
He should consider a Hercule Poirot observation from one of the Christie novels—that in the course of a murder investigation, everyone gets cagey and evasive. The initial conclusion is that they all are somehow complicit, if not guilty of the crime investigated, but really it is because they do not want to explain other things that they were doing that have nothing to do with the crime but they had no intention of going public with—things that they imagined (usually correctly) were none of anyone’s business.
 
 

This is my own personal bitching thread, after which I will get back to my normal supportive self, with only occasional caveats.
What nettles me about the tracts, and many other things, is how we go on and on and on about what a blessing from on high they all are, as though THIS Item is the magic bullet that will turn the preaching work on its head, exactly what is needed at this particular time— and doubtless it will completely energize the work and swarms will thereby be attracted to the truth.
I wish we wouldn’t do that. I wish we would just say “Here’s a new tool. We worked hard on it. Give it a try and see how it works.” I even think that our failure to do it that way is where a lot of the underlying conception that the JW organization is “smug” comes from.

I'm out for the rest of the day, but we should start another thread on this topic, anyway.

You are right that some of the claims came from former Bethelites, but they were certainly not disgruntled, as far as I know. However, I did add a disclaimer in front of that information, back in the original post. (By the way, I know firsthand about Quackenbush's run-in with Knorr, and I was there when he arrived back at Bethel when Brother Knorr died, and for a time we even sat at the same table.) This information should not be new or surprising to anyone, however. It's not that I think that Covington was in the right, or that he could have had much effect on the Society overall. Olin Moyle, the previous Watchtower attorney, had tried something similar. And it barely registered a blip in the overall history of the Watchtower Society.
Of course, I did add the information for a good reason (in my opinion). There are those here who automatically think that if anyone says anything negative about people at high levels of responsibility, they must be lying. This is one of the reasons that people need to keep their eyes open. Always be optimistic, trust in Jehovah, and expect the best from all our brothers; but also be cautious, and be prepared for anything.

The board of directors, which was the previous governing body, was supposed to be 100-percent anointed, and there was only one (known) exception to that prior to 2001. (Covington in the 1940's). Then in 1971 the governing body was redefined to include the board of directors plus other older brothers who were not on the board of directors and had never been on the board of directors, but who were also anointed. Then after 2000/2001, no members of the governing body were also on the board of directors. This way the board of directors needed to concern itself no longer with filling its positions from members of the anointed. But the governing body is still filled by members of the anointed. This will remain true for as long as possible. The governing body helpers make up the  extended committees of the governing body, and these persons need not be of the anointed, although several are.

Following on from @Srecko Sostar this management / board of directors now say that are the 'Faithful and discreet slave'. 
Thank you Srecko. 
But i lost it a bit about if they are all supposed to be of the anointed or not now.  Either way it does seem a crafty move and i find it quite funny that the W/t changed their title to suit their own convenience. 
Board of Directors = Faithful and discreet slave,   I don't think so   
As the Board of Directors of course, it is much easier to understand how they try to hide the pedopphilia problem and try to stop victims claiming compensation. It's big business isn't it ? They don't want their business to lose money or status.
Um, Judas was the money handler wasn't he, and look what he did and how he ended up.

Merge, compose, amalgam.
How from secular terminology about Corporation policy and Management comes to Spiritual meaning for followers, covered with Interpretations  about meaning of some Bible verses. 

going deeper and deeper :))))))

From an Engineer's or Detective's viewpoint, that is a VERY easy question to answer.
Just look at the TRACK RECORD of those who claim they have insight on the divine secrets, and tabulate how may times they have been right ... and how many times they have been wrong.
I does NOT get any simpler than THAT.
 

Who knows the divine secrets except God himself ?

I am not even sure how terminology, word - sin, sinless - existed in those time. Why? Because Bible reports; God see all this/that he has created was - GOOD. God has intention to have Followers? This is also terminology that was coined later.
I do not know more about god's "Intentions" out of those, except what is described in the first few words of Genesis.
Because people of his time mostly living in solid houses and went to churches made of stones. :))) Temple in Jerusalem was standing there for few hundreds years already. But most of HIS sermons was in open-air. He has not showed "intentions" to building churches for His "new/modified religious movement". 

I'm just trying to be fair, and I believe the truth is the truth and a lie is a lie no matter who says it.

Even Jesus used an expression for dogs, softening it to “little dogs”—puppies. That’s probably what I had in mind.

Now you did say this however ( @TrueTomHarley )  Quote  "because you are such a pit bull."
So I'm not always silly and I'm not exactly mentally ill, but I am a bit of a dog then  .. 

Now you did say this however ( @TrueTomHarley )  Quote  "because you are such a pit bull."
So I'm not always silly and I'm not exactly mentally ill, but I am a bit of a dog then  .. 

Having dispensed with the second part of this, let me go to the first.
I did not say that you were mentally ill. I have said that any mental health professional would say that the type of thinking that you were displaying at the moment (most typically “all or nothing” thinking) is unhealthy. That is not the same thing.
You also have to realize that I do not regard mentally ill as a pejorative label, and more than I would regard diabetic as one.

I gave an upvote here, and everyone knows that I am stingy with them. I don’t think I have ever given a downvote.
My upvote is conditional. I am assuming that little bit of Latin does not translate into “TrueTom is a fink.”

Yes. When I signed on many years ago. They didn’t sneak up out of nowhere. Their role was known to me and everyone else from Day 1.
That is why you are not a Witness. Everything is exactly as it should be. Given how you feel, you have done exactly as you should. 
Yes. Every Witness takes about a year to do that, studying and trying things on for size. Throughout, they are in their familiar home environment and routine. Perhaps 5% of their time is spent in unfamiliar surroundings. 
College is far more “manipulative” than anything with a Witness connection. Students are typically separated 24/7 from their former stabilizing routine, environment, and family—a classic tool of those who would brainwash. Plus, if you study with Jehovah’s Witnesses, you know full well that you are going off the grid—the very opposite of what brainwashers do. Going to college, on the other hand, is no more controversial than seeking good healthcare.
You keep playing this as though it were your trump card, the coup de grace—as though it was something meant to be hidden. They are very open about it. They have called it “tacking.” As you say, they have called it “new light.” Don’t you think that means there used to be “old light?”
Not usually. Maybe never. I said that your last bit of reasoning was infantile. I said that because it was. I didn’t say you were. 
Not totally, no. No one here, to my knowledge, is calling for anyone’s execution. It is what they stand for that is the target. Everyone knows that. 
Not everything that you say is silly. I have acknowledged that some points you have raised are valid.  Not always to your face, because you are such a pit bull. But I have put them in other writings.