JOHN BUTLER

"to follow the teachings of the teacher and so forth."  My comment here was about Watchtower's baptisms, which do NOT follow the teachings of the teacher - Jesus Christ.   This is truth.  I will not entertain your whim to degrade anything and everything I have said here.
Fire away, SM.    I am finished.  
 
 

The first one sounds just like a label, the  second sounds like the person is living the faith.

What about “post in their wall or PM them” was not clear?

@Anna The situation I was telling you about happened over ten years ago and has affected my life ever since. I left the JW Org last year and you know why......  So, I was leaving that matter with God, as i had left many other matters with God. But when the size of the Child Abuse problem became known to me, then I decided that this cannot be God's true organisation. You are saying yourself how bad many Elders are. 
The GB / Org has made it easily possible for Elders to dictate the complete running of a congregation, as you seem to have said above. THe GB / Org has given Elders the right to choose what they will believe and what they will call lies. THe GB / Org has allowed a situation whereby not all Elders in a congregation are made aware of situations, such as the situation I have mentioned. The two witness rule can squash many things before they are even investigated properly. It also seems that the GB /org has given Elders the right to destroy written evidence of cases/situations. 
Is it any wonder why brothers and sisters take each other to the courts of the outside authorities ? You yourself have said many Elders cannot be trusted. Your words "corruption, favouritism and nepotism by elders".  
And with all the above being true, then how can God look with favour on such a wicked organisation ?  Remember Jesus called people wicked. So to call the Org wicked is not sin. 
Finally, i think you, Tom and others should get it into your heads that A PERSON CAN LEAVE THE JW ORG BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE LEFT GOD OR JESUS CHRIST. So your question of " Or have you lost trust in Jehovah too? " has no meaning to me. 
I rarely call God by that name anymore, as I'm still happy with Yahweh or Almighty God and i pray through Jesus christ as God's word says we should. 

Keep playing that same old record to yourself Kid, you might convince yourself one day. 
Who was the member of the GB that said 'It's all Apostate lies' 
Well Kid you are doing just the same. You are just a puppet to the GB and it's Org. But if that keeps you happy so be it. 

@Equivocation Please refrain from further instigation. If you want such a conversation please PM each other. Not on a public thread.
@JOHN BUTLER Please PM people back. You should know by now to start a new topic or hold your conversations on someone's wall rather than go so way off topic 

Please. Watch the Language, Butler. A man who seeks God knoweth well to not defile his mouth...
 
Believe or not, not every solider likes going to war, some even cry over it. I know some of them, one notable one, Steven Gern. That being said, Wars start over silly things, and when someone wants to take something from someone else.
 
Also the governments cannot be trusted, show respect, but do not be invited to their dinner table.

I had to change my entire style of how to dress, after the Dry Cleaners lost ALL THREE of my Superman Suits.

Something I actually agree on. For me, however, I prefer Khakis over jeans.
Alas, there are people out there who dress up in such a way that nearly jumps the line of being inappropriate.

You want everyone to kiss arse then 

I would not be a good judge of that, even if I wanted to, as I am neither pleasant, nor refined, by choice.
My only claim is to be a Barbarian, interested in Truth and Justice, and fairness.
And I have no love whatsoever for "Big Brother", wherever, and in whatever form,  he may be found.
....   since we are extrapolating with fictional characters, may I remind you of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition No. 48 ... "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."
 
 

This is why Elders are admonished not to interfere with the secular authority's investigation.
So was the video of the brother telling Elders to destroy evidence because 'Satan is coming after the Organisation', true or false ? 

Seems to me that the W/t has said anyone can report anything they want to any authority and not be in trouble for it, yet now it seems Billy is saying 'mind your own business'. Contradiction me thinks. 
If every one just turned the other way and minded their own business then no murderers would be caught, no Peodphiles would be caught, no criminals would be caught at all.
And i personally think that everyone should watch and question the leaders of their faith.  It's a bit like the Police that keep an eye on people, but who is keeping an eye on the Police ? So it is with the GB right down to the Elders. They keep an eye on the congregations, but who keeps an eye on them ? 
Sorry Billy not with you on this one. And if the Watchtower 'had been on top of certain situations' then certain situations would not be costing the JW org / Watchtower so dearly now. Not just in money but in reputation.  
Most of you would have seen the latest news about the Catholic man of 'high standing' and his past deeds. Yet do you ever consider that a member of the GB may have a similar past ?  So easy to condemn people of a different religion, but it must hurt to even consider it of your own religion. 
 

This is why Elders are admonished not to interfere with the secular authority's investigation.
So was the video of the brother telling Elders to destroy evidence because 'Satan is coming after the Organisation', true or false ? 

What if a police officer is arresting you for being a drunk driver, and you only have a bad case of the flu?
Refuse to be taken to jail?
Same thing.

I don't think it gives specifics. And it talks about pagan judges, when God has put them judges in their place to do God's work as scripture tells us. So the GB / Writing dept' are actually going against God's rules. 

The key word is CERTAIN documents. The accusation is that these are documents needed by the commission. What if they are not?

Thanks for posting that. It doesn't prove anything you said, in fact it indicates this may be "all apostate lies"
While the BBC’s report is correct that all Kingdom Halls were given direction about the destruction of certain internal documents, ..
 

Well you obviously didn't get it either! Because ALL of this was talking about disputes, such as business disputes, not crime. Crime is not a dispute; Theft is not a dispute. Rape is not a dispute. Child molestation is not a dispute. Murder is not a dispute. These are ALL crimes. The subject of the WT was not crime.
So John, if you had been an elder you would have applied it wrongly too!

This is why Elders are admonished not to interfere with the secular authority's investigation.
So was the video of the brother telling Elders to destroy evidence because 'Satan is coming after the Organisation', true or false ? 

It is true that baptism is symbolic of the spiritual washing of our spiritual selves;  cleansing us of our past path in sin.  1 Pet 3:21; Acts 22:16   It signifies a new commitment, “pledge of a good conscience”, to leave sin behind through the application of the Word of God. John 17:17
Those that Jesus directed to baptize were the anointed “priests”/teachers of our High Priest, Christ.  Matt 28:19,20; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9 
The elder body who claims to “represent” God’s anointed priests, which must not be “challenged”,  perform a baptism that spuriously signifies a commitment to an organization and the word of the GB; setting unknowing ones on a path of new sin. 
 
  What a depressing thought.
 

That is my opinion, and I am sticking with it.
I can envision scenarios that, although rare ... make it the only common sense answer.
And all TRUE theology has to make good, basic common sense.

Seems to me that the W/t has said anyone can report anything they want to any authority and not be in trouble for it, yet now it seems Billy is saying 'mind your own business'. Contradiction me thinks. 
If every one just turned the other way and minded their own business then no murderers would be caught, no Peodphiles would be caught, no criminals would be caught at all.
And i personally think that everyone should watch and question the leaders of their faith.  It's a bit like the Police that keep an eye on people, but who is keeping an eye on the Police ? So it is with the GB right down to the Elders. They keep an eye on the congregations, but who keeps an eye on them ? 
Sorry Billy not with you on this one. And if the Watchtower 'had been on top of certain situations' then certain situations would not be costing the JW org / Watchtower so dearly now. Not just in money but in reputation.  
Most of you would have seen the latest news about the Catholic man of 'high standing' and his past deeds. Yet do you ever consider that a member of the GB may have a similar past ?  So easy to condemn people of a different religion, but it must hurt to even consider it of your own religion. 
 

And “deservings got nothing to do with it.”
KA-BLAM!!!

The only reason money is the currency of Justice ... is that they outlawed dueling ... which I see as a nefarious, cowardly mistake.