JOHN BUTLER

Um, I'm lost, I don't know what I said where  now   Confused . com. 
All i notice is, that author keeps banging on about his ruddy books. Free advertising is it.
All about the money, money, money ..............  Misquote from a song

I believe Jesus was 30 years old when he presented himself for baptism to do his Father's will. 
But, in my opinion, there is competition between families, and even between congregations, to get the most children baptised. 
At assemblies it's 'who is getting baptised today?' How many getting baptised today ?  
It is so competitive, and so unchristian. 
Well, if what is on another post is true, 5 year old children are getting baptised in some countries. 

Well this is very interesting topic and as a father  in my case, i can say, i rather wait for my son to be in his late adulthood before getting baptized then having my child going through adulthood with the chance of disfellowshiped and all that shaming and shunning  that comes with all the brothers and sisters in the congregation.

Some parents are guilty of  encouraging children to delay baptism because they have no confidence in the child's ability to live up to their baptism, and some pressure children to get baptized before they learn the truth and make their own decision.

Moved a bunch of posts from another thread to here. This will effect posts by @Witness, @Srecko Sostar, @Anna, @JOHN BUTLER, @TrueTomHarley, @Shiwiii.

You know better than this
She’s funny that way. When I worked with her in service, she hadn’t even washed it out. When I scolded her, she dismissed me by saying (breezily) that the wind would blow it clean.
 
What have you been smoking?
Not at all. Just because policies are fixed does not undo previous suffering. They are having their day in courts, having selected that means of comfort—the same as in scores of organizations where, unlike JWs, the leaders were the abusers.

I expect nothing less from those who defend the practices of wt/gb about CSA. 
on a good note though, truth has a way of planting a seed and It WILL grow, it will grow on their conscience in due time.  

The real problem is that people have children. This should not be allowed. Most parents have children only so that they may abuse them. Produce children in factories instead, and raise them in communal settings where supervisors have been vetted by authorities* so as to avoid any possible occasion for abuse.  Sheesh.
*and have certificates to prove it.

regardless what I think about jws in general, there is a big difference from being allowed and requiring. 
Here, for your entertainment Tom: 
 
Johnny boy is allowed to recycle his plastic, glass bottles and aluminum cans in the State of Arizona
 
in California (in certain cities) Johnny boy is required to recycle his plastic, glass bottles and aluminum cans.
 
Is this the same thing? Is the practice of  recycling "fixed" in Arizona?  

Everyone knows that it is fixed. The only people not knowing it are those who are convinced that Jehovah’s Witnesses are evil incarnate whose charter purpose is to abuse children, and they will not be convinced until there is a cop in every Witness home.

Same answer I gave to John:
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/comfort-victims-of-abuse/

I don't see a problem there at all. The two witness rule is irrelevant when it comes to reporting to the police, as has been mentioned several times already. The two witness rule is only for elders handling the issue.

I do not see need for giving addresses. Is it legal to announce the names? This is interesting legal question  for sure. Maybe initials of name and numbers how many people in this and that country made crime.
But, here comes to my mind, is it legal to announce the name of Dfd or Diss person in front of congregation if such individual not gave his/her written permission that his/her name can be publicly  announced by elders from platform ????!!!!  Does Judicial Committee asking for such permission in US or elsewhere ?????  :))))
Money would not protect children in that way, of course.
But, your question in this form about context is something i would not expect from you !!   
 

Still waiting to hear about the new IICSA inquiry here in UK. They are so busy looking into so many other organisations.
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/ 

Sorry i find some of this funny, but of course it isn't funny from God's viewpoint.
Any true Christian, well in my opinion, would not even enter such a place of 'entertainment'. 
But then I don't even drink alcohol and never go into pubs / bars, as i see no need for any on it.  
 

@Srecko Sostar  I can see that you speak from your heart. I agree with all that you have said here. 
(your last comment on page 17) 

Agree in intention you want to have, but disagree in your reasoning, how publishing all possible  information's about problem is of no benefit for such a goal.
- truthful information's about all cases from past to today 
- put free space for listeners to make own conclusions and possibility to express it in responding comments, letters, talks, etc.
Disclosure info about this will help JW members to understand magnitude of this evil, and how this is reality not only in "worldly system under satan power", but is also devastating disease inside JW church with many JW members who suffer because of that. JW members, as i had seen before my left JW, in few short conversations, are rejecting this as problem, and never heard nothing similar had happened (here in Croatia, or in Germany, as one bro in telephone call from Hamburg area told me).
So, as firstly, THIS WILL HELP in that way to introduce how problem EXISTING inside JW congregations.
AFTER that, when information's made circle around all JW worldwide, they will need some time to absorb information's, and after they will need to share personal feelings, thoughts, etc. about issue. For this reason WT need to give FREE HAND for all those who want to talk about it. People will and must to come to state of awareness, awakened emotions and state of confusion and disbelief. For that reason those who "controlled their spirituality health" must give them space to TALK ABOUT. And NOT to Suppress. And not to Misguide them.
This can help JW community to take curse in which consciousness rises to a higher level, a spiritual awakening emerges from drowsiness from false security (false, conceited, imagined attitudes about self righteousness), catharsis comes, spiritual and thinking/rational purification can take position to replace most or all what is wrong. 
By this you open the door to new era. To new heart. And that would give a chance to those who seeking the truth. 
 

Hang on just a second Tom. Do you really think this is fixed?  I mean, now it ALLOWS reporting without repercussion and not instructed to report. That is not quite the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to see that they are now allowing it to be reported, but it isn't the fix. 

@Anna  Quote "  .. the main objective of ANY action would be .. "
Yes of course the main objective would be to try to prevent further occurrences of child abuse within the JW Org. 
BUT, that would be the main objective, not the only objective. 
The GB still hide behind 'laws of the land'. They only walk the one mile that have been ordered to walk (as in the scriptures) 
But the Bible says Walk two miles when ordered to only walk one. Go the extra mile. 
Anna answered Srecko's comments from her one selfish viewpoint and she made it so clear that she in only interested in sticking up for the JW Org and it's GB. 
Sorry Anna, Srecko made some good recommendations and you tried to shoot him down. 
And one answer in 'How would it help stop further child abuse' is simple.
It would make the naive congregants FULLY AWARE of the Child Abuse / Pedophilia problem within the whole Earthwide JW Org. 
Whereas right now most of then DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT 
Why ? Because they are TOLD not to visit such forums as this. Not to use internet websites that may be 'of the wrong influence' etc... 
They are either wrapped up in cotton wool, or, they are fenced in with threats from spying Elders. 
 

Because remember, molesters do this in secret and they are very good at hiding what they do.
I would like everyone on here to take note of @Anna 's comment above. 
Read it 3 times. Remember repetition for emphasis ! 
Now how does this relate to the TWO WITNESS RULE ? 

Still waiting to hear about the new IICSA inquiry here in UK. They are so busy looking into so many other organisations.
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/ 

Sorry i find some of this funny, but of course it isn't funny from God's viewpoint.
Any true Christian, well in my opinion, would not even enter such a place of 'entertainment'. 
But then I don't even drink alcohol and never go into pubs / bars, as i see no need for any on it.  
 

Sorry i find some of this funny, but of course it isn't funny from God's viewpoint.
Any true Christian, well in my opinion, would not even enter such a place of 'entertainment'. 
But then I don't even drink alcohol and never go into pubs / bars, as i see no need for any on it.  
 

In previous decades, when someone was disfellowshipped, they were told their time would be 6 months. Now it’s a full year?
Why did that change from 6 mo to a year? and are they getting more ppl to come back with the increased time? With the less members staying in the org, you would think they want to lower the “jail time “
Also are there any other religions that gives you months or years of time out, if you commit a sin, even if you actually want to come back?
Also any former elders here? Why is there a standard set time for everyone? And why can they reject someone’s letter who wants to come back? Don’t they need more members ?