JOHN BUTLER

It also looks like it’s proof that the Canadian lawyer for the Watchtower perjured himself as an officer of the court to their Supreme Court

Public protest against Watchtower shunning policies in São Paulo

In fact, the problem is solved and everyone not completely unhinged knows it.
Witnesses have always been free to report. The unsettling aspect of the CSA cases is that many chose not to do it because they thought they might be bringing reproach on God’s name. Now, beyond any possibility of misunderstanding, it is spelled out for them and for elders that they are not. The problem is solved.
There are always going to be ‘What ifs.’ At some point one must have some confidence in the power of parents to be concerned for their children. It is not easy to get between a mama bear and her cub. You make it sound like a walk in the park. Reporting to authorities has now been endorsed. The two witness rule becomes irrelevant, as it always was to outside authorities 
In the rare situation that nobody has payed the slightest attention to Christian values taught, if wrath or revenge is feared, mama bear may have to flee the house. This has always been the case with in abusive families. The point is that she now knows she has a green light to do it, and can summon whatever authority there is for domestic violence and she need not think she is failing God, the congregation, her family, or anyone else.
Sometimes I think that these virulent opposers will not be satified until there is a cop stationed in every Witness home.

He does not. He would like to, but his last two books, because they address things important, will always be available free in some digital format.
Obviously, this undermines any efforts to make a living via selling books.

The ones that I would like to talk to face to face, are too frightened to talk to me. ... Now that is either, frightened because they may get reported to the Elders, or, frightened that what i have to tell them will take them out of their comfort zone. 
And I am quite reserved on here actually. There are some on here that i don't even bother replying to. Because A. I think they are just a wind up, and B, I would totally lose self control, then probably get banned. 
I do have a tiny amount of common sense  
As for fault finding, I don't generally go looking for things but things just seem to crop up. Lots of people are mentioning 'faults' that i didn't even know existed in the JW Org. I have my main concern but that has been talked about enough unless any 'new light' appears. And I'm not meaning that new Watchtower.. 

This is soooo funny. 
There is no religious organisation that ... oh um just a minute, yes there is it's us.  
Just so funny. 
And the bit about : -
"and composed of His spiritual remnant.. "  Well um, only 8 of them as bosses at the moment it seems. 
But it's all good for a laugh. 

This is soooo funny. 
There is no religious organisation that ... oh um just a minute, yes there is it's us.  
Just so funny. 
And the bit about : -
"and composed of His spiritual remnant.. "  Well um, only 8 of them as bosses at the moment it seems. 
But it's all good for a laugh. 

Don't you know it! lol

Anna gets told off for fault finding and criticism, too. So do I. It depends on what someone is criticizing, to what extent, and how, etc. Sometimes I think you (and probably me, too) will criticize with too broad a brush, or harp on something that belongs under a different topic. Everyone's a critic (of something).
I just have one general rule. If someone signs out so @Foreigner can sign in and down-vote a post, then I know I must be doing something right. 😉

Only just noticed this one. 
But when I mention the reality I get told off for fault finding or criticism  

You have displayed that you know very little of Einstein. If you did, you would realize that my sense of humor is spot on and everyone else’s is warped.

I just want to pipe up here. The internal struggles ARE what shaped "what Jehovah’s Witnesses as a people have done" . I know, and I agree, we do't want to focus on the negative. But in my personal opinion it helps to know these things sometimes because it helps us become more grounded in reality, rather than what we think is the reality, and then get disappointed, to the point of being stumbled. I don't know if I have explained that very well. I'm not talking about fault finding or criticism. Just reality.

This is soooo funny. 
There is no religious organisation that ... oh um just a minute, yes there is it's us.  
Just so funny. 
And the bit about : -
"and composed of His spiritual remnant.. "  Well um, only 8 of them as bosses at the moment it seems. 
But it's all good for a laugh. 

Excellent and amazing founding, revelation. Nail in coffin, as some would say. Controversy in full measure, despite written statement in preface of magazine that say:   
ITS MISSION
............
 It does not indulge in controversy, and its columns are not open to personalities". .............
No controversy? Writers are generate Controversy  in the Core Itself. Listen what is written in the magazine:
quote: "Such "society" is not legal society or corporation, chartered according to the laws of some state or nation, ...." they said.
They are exactly what they claim they are not !! Hey JW people,  AWAKE! Dear people, this is official hoax on paper.
Watchtower and all entities under Mother Organization are pure Corporations worldwide, and all, every single of them have Charter/s!!  

I especially thought this was a truthful admission from page 202, 203:

However, in the very next columns, starting on the same page, this admission disappears into oblivion, and it becomes a religious organization, after all.

Showing a very Christian attitude Tom. Have a nice day. 
However I think it shows cowardice and the lack of confidence in your own beliefs. 

ITS MISSION
THIS journal is published for the purpose of enabling the people to know Jehovah God and his purposes as expressed in the Bible. It publishes Bible instruction specifically designed to aid Jehovah's witnesses and all people of good-will. It arranges systematic Bible study for Its readers and the Society supplies other literature to aid in such studies. It publishes suitable material for radio broadcasting and for other means of public instruction in the Scriptures.
It adheres strictly to the Bible as authority for its utterances. It is entirely free and separate from all religion, parties, sects or other worldly organizations. It is wholly and without reservation for the kingdom of Jehovah God under Christ his beloved King. It is not dogmatic, but invites careful and critical examination of its contents In the light of the Scriptures. It does not indulge in controversy, and its columns are not open to personalities.
 
1) It adheres strictly to the Bible as authority for its utterances  
Plenty of doctrinal and instructional, corporative changes from 1943 to today reveals that so called "Bible authority" as base for WT articles was questionable intention. Is it Bible itself questionable authority that is not able to provide clear idea to those who reading Bible text? Is it human perception of very same Words some kind of trap that unable clear understanding?  What is general or particular Bible Idea? To create only true "religious organization"?  Really ?!
WT publications in general and here WT magazine as particular paper for dispensing spiritual food  clearly proved that it can't be trusted for it's readers. 
IN LIGHT OF THIS CONCLUSION, it is very significant how text continues with this: 
2) It is not dogmatic, but invites careful and critical examination of its contents In the light of the Scriptures.
The WT Magazine was Not dogmatic? If authors aka publishers and writers of The WT articles of those period of time were had such idea about own presentation of spiritual food, than that is for praise, undoubtedly. What was changed in meantime??
If you as author of your articles made claim that you and your written ideas are not dogmatic, and how all other are invited to make Careful and Critical Examination of ITS contents, than All Open Discussion, Reasoning, Pro et Contra Argumentation, Accuracy and Wrongness will Never be Sanctioned by Those in "Charge" , from so called "Spiritual Authority", who ever they are in particular time.   
No Shunning or Disfellowshiping  of those who have Other Opinion, because even Official doctrines are only this, Current Point of View, Current Opinion and nothing more, as reality shows us until this day!    
 
Curiosity for fun;
interesting terminology from 1943
."...while we were on Watchtower street work..."         :))) good title for preaching service :))))

There is,  you know it as well as everyone on this forum.  Your cognitive dissonance is showing. 
yes, and I stand by my comments. Finally there is a change, albeit a slight one, but still some change. Sadly this is knee jerk reaction to the piling up lawsuits. 
No, technically no one needs another witness to bring anything up to the proper authorities, but this is just a play on words with you. You know right well what we are talking about, but choose to hide behind words and technical definitions to convey your support for the org as well as your possible disgust of CSA and to save face with normal people. You have been trained to play words to create loopholes, just as John was talking about. 
Anna, I agree we cannot continue this conversation based on technical definitions of words and the ambiguity of your position based upon whom you are talking to or about, instead of the actual topic and PROBLEM at hand. 

Yeah, @JOHN BUTLER, where you can’t come.
Nyah, Nyah, Nyah.

To a certain extent yes. But we will never know what is being discussed behind closed doors. I would say it doesn't matter, it's not our business, but it is, because it affects everyone of us. (When I get around to it I want to make this a topic in the closed club, here is not the best place)

I don't actually think God is watching every one of us every second. 
God has the ability to do so of course, but probably chooses not to. 
 

I don't actually think God is watching every one of us every second. 
God has the ability to do so of course, but probably chooses not to. 
 

Too bad then. Because God is far superior to any man made organisation. 
It is wrong to interchange those words. 
An organisation is good as God is a God of order not disorder. 
However, the organisation has to have God's approval and be guided by God's Holy spirit.
The GB and the JW Org show that it does NOT have God's approval and is NOT guided by God's Holy spirit.
So it is not doing God's will properly. 

Well that is not what we were talking about. You said the victim is afraid to come forward. Maybe that is a little technicality you maybe should have mentioned earlier but didn't.
But as you said, when someone knows, there is nothing stopping them from reporting it
In your own words: Finally, they finally get it that it is the wrong doer who is the bad guy and not the reporter 
And as for your argument that this is just lip service because of the two witness rule, then no, the two witness rule only applies in order to form a judicial meeting. No one has to have two witnesses to bring it to the authorities.
I don't have time for anymore of this rubbish, just going round in circles. You either have a hard time comprehending, or you are purposefully taking my time up.