JOHN BUTLER

Interesting that Leah Reminis Twitter acct is fraught with accusations that she only interviewed fmr DUBS and not active ones. But she begged the GB for interviews... and they declined.

Leah Remini on Instagram right now

They are coming around to the idea that they should watch it just so that if anyone brings it up in field service they can prepare a response...

Did you forgot when the Pharoah asked Moses why he should let the Jews leave?
Moses just replied with "JW.org"

No one is forcing anyone to stay in the religion, just like no one is forcing anyone to pay ransom in a kidnapping situation.

She is perceived as a major threat by the Governing Body

For men who claim to be directed by the one true God to lead his one true religion, you would think they would be fearless in professing their organization's practices and policies to the world.
Talk to the website. ?

Thanks, Jan.  Both perimeno and RK are deterrents from knowing truth for all of us who step out of the WT.  At least I believe that.  When I realized that they encourage either remaining in the organization and waiting for it to change, I couldn't stomach remaining under a false pretense called truth.   I remember RK even stating it was useless to partake.  That told me right off, he was not with Christ.
You said it was "Sad that you did not have the courage to confess before the congregation that you had become anointed."
 I grew up extremely shy with little self-worth.  A shy person does not make waves when something unusual occurs in life. I was never one to draw attention to myself.  Even when facing child abuse by a family member, I never told my parents.    As I mentioned earlier, I was young when anointed and very new to the organization, not even understanding fully the role of anointed.   Eventually, the experience was set aside, since I told myself I was unworthy to be called by God to serve Him and Jesus in such a way. 
Since being out of the organization, I have met with anointed to partake in an intimate setting that I would like to believe is how Jesus wanted it.  He could have invited every believer, every disciple, to his last supper on earth, but he chose a selected few to be with him who became the foundation of God’s Temple. Matt 16:18; 1 Cor 3:11 I would never partake in the Watchtower where condemnation breathes down the neck of each anointed one.  Elders scrutinize and judge who is and who isn’t, anointed.
Anointed do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them.  1 Cor 12:25,26  WT 16/1 par 8
That’s all I wanted to do when I left the organization – to bond with other anointed ones.  It seems to me that you also, have this desire.  It is natural, it is the attraction to life through Holy Spirit provided by Christ   Anointed are the branches of the vine who, if their heart is in the right place, desire to be unified fully as one, with the vine of Christ and with their brothers/sisters.  John 15:1-7   This is how the Temple of God is built.   Eph 2:20-22
In WT’s use of scriptures, Paul was writing to the anointed Body.  It is their unity and love that is imperative for Holy Spirit to reach each one of them; allowing them to teach all believers. Mal 2:7  Paul speaks of the gifts mentioned in 1 Cor 12,  in Romans 12:1-8 also, stating they are “living sacrifices” under one Head, Christ.  These living sacrifices, or living stones of the temple, are the priesthood:
As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.  1 Pet 2:4,5
JWs cannot recognize them, or their gifts, when scriptures pertaining to the anointed are used to support the elder body. 
If we love the elders and respect their work, we will be obedient and submissive to them.ws12 5/15 pp. 21-26
 This includes the called anointed ones of God – those who would be “kings and priests” in the Kingdom if they are faithful to one Master, bearing only one “mark” on their forehead, and not the mark of an organization with its set of ordinances and doctrine.    Matt 6:24; Rev 13:15,16; Deut 11:18,19    Does this even make sense that anointed are to obey those not anointed? Who are they to judge those under Christ?  When does the switcheroo happen?  When do those whom they are to obey now, become subservient to those GOD has already appointed?  Rev 3:9   Are God's priesthood to sit back and wait for their appointment as heavenly “kings”?  Is that what Paul taught the early anointed ones?  Would God appoint “Gentiles” to decide if they are worthy to serve God?  Yet, they do this when anointed (and ALL) choose God’s Word over the word of the GB.   The elders authority to judge before Christ will at his coming, is the trademark of the Man of Lawlessness – acting as if from God, as if Christ himself. 2 Thess 2:3,4 
Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.  Rom 14:4
JWs are to “seek out” the elders, but not the appointed authentic priesthood of God. This is oppression that leads to “desolating” a people. Matt 24:15; Dan 9:27; 11:31
The “man of lawlessness” is not one man, but an army...of elders.
Who passes the anointed ones the emblems?  The elders, those not anointed.  It wasn’t that way with at the last supper. There is no cohesiveness within the anointed Body because “Gentiles” have come between them.   Rev 11:1-3
 My point is not to convince others through partaking in front of JWs, but to serve Christ in truth and declare it as he intends God’s true “witnesses” to do so.  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10  I am sure you must feel similar, how important that is. 
When the symbolic “two witnesses”, those anointed as God’s true Witnesses of “Jacob”/”Israel” (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9), reveal Truth in Christ (Matt 18:16), and reveal this desolating event, the circumstances for this happening in Isa 43:8-10 coincides with Revelation 11:1-3, 13:10; 16:2
They proclaim there can be “no foreign god” among them.  Isa 43:12   No organization with its rules is to come between them and Christ.  They announce this “distress” or tribulation that is “different” from any other time in the history of God’s people. 
 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.  Dan 12:1
We conquer this oppression by standing for Truth, even if it means being “killed” by the Beast/organization for not revering its existence.  Rev 11:7; 13:4,5,15,18;3:12; 15:2
Sometimes, the identity of Satan’s deceptions can be right in front of us, closer than we first realized.    
 
 
 

Sometimes ... the only way to stay sane, is to quit caring so much.

But you do seem to accept putting false information in the way of a picture in a book. A picture which goes totally against scripture 

This hypothesis is based on the false premise that the use of a two beam cross has been established as a fact which, patently, it has  not.
We do not reject fact in preference to fiction, that is just the allegation of opposers. But we do reserve the right to support an alternative, where such exists, regardless of it being popularly accepted or not. When possibilities are established as facts, we will adjust our thinking. This is something which is not always the case with opposers, and is the subject of much of their crticism.

Sounds like a perfect name for a band: True Tom and the Apostates     😀

Yes i am sure as it is surely/doubtless that, for example,  blue color has many variations (color shades) of that same color. So, my like, my laugh, my upvote, my sadness  and other expressions of my emotions and state of mind are not fixed, concreted in only 7 possibilities, putted as options by owner of this forum, for public display of mood that some can show in life.
:)))))) only Frida i know  is a dog. 

You rang?

... it's a core problem ....

Yes, but in this case, especially in what is taking place in Speaker's Corner, you have those who attest to a false doctrine trying to take up and cover more ground to teach something that is not of the church. Examples would be that God has wives one of his wives being Mary, and they'll preach it. God is 3 persons, they'll preach it. You debate with them, and correct them, and they will attack you, even insult you when you profess the truth.
Speaking about apostates, one of them professed he can heal people with the touch of his hand on to you, Benny Hinn style. Such ones need to be put in their place and be corrected on what the Bible says.
That being said, this place I still see it as Controversial Posts (being ready to be pit to the test), and as did before in a discussion of religious history, it shall be done here also. Most importantly a truth will be spoken and it will be told.
In this sense however, people are claiming to have apples and such ones believe said people, but when I ask for apples, it turns out, they didn't have any apples at all, to my surprise, I lecture them on as to why they made such an error in claiming to have these apples that are, in their case, non-existent.

Any mention of pillows is a sore subject with me. Many of my friends had to go naked for the sake of these.
 
Whenever the office staff thought a letter was from a birdbrain they handed it to me. I never got to do anything else. That’s why I left.

@Space Merchant Quote : I do not care about real terms? You have stated yourself such things is of an idea as if it does not exist, you show yourself to be a means to the problem to think of such in this way, which is the same case with those who profess the same attitude as you do, and thus problem ensues. People who are concern and caring take into account of any such persons with this based minded mentality, some to an extent, a mob mentality.
So, by making a problem known you say i am causing a problem ? 
If a house was on fire and i made it known, would you then say I caused the fire ? 
The JW Org is a danger to young children and i will continue to make that known. And I'm proud that I make it known too.
The GB, as you have said, are not inspired, and it would seem they are not even guided by Holy Spirit either. 
Remember, by their works you will know them. I am judging the GB by their works. 
What would be the point of that scripture if it was not for us to judge them ?  Matthew 7 v 15 through 23.
15  “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16  By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19  Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20  Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.21  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.22  Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
I think Jesus made it clear enough here.  

Wow, reliable info then. We can really trust such judgement, I don't think so 

Wow, reliable info then. We can really trust such judgement, I don't think so 

The "light" is NOT getting brighter. It is flickering on and off!
 
IE:
Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?

Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8
No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338
Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479
No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31
Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179
No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179
Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985
No...Revelation book, page 273.

He does not know that the actions of alone person a killer, a pedophile, a con man, even if that person is in the church of Jehovah's Witnesses, the actions of such a man does not define all of them. This goes hand in hand with someone who is of and or former by their own experience, they do not define everyone else.
Butler's experience does not define the experience and actions of another UK counterpart of his, an Arab JW named Kathgar.
This mentality is absurd to assumption of the masses for the sake one one or two foolish ones. Such a mentality plagues everything from religion to education, and even in the realm of medicine and disease.
But as one guy mentioned today to me, that is the mind of people of the world nowadays. As of recent a Security Guard was shot and killed for stopping a gunman. An honest man would know that one police officer should be held accountable, but it does not bring anyone justice to attack all police officers for the sake one man who took such action, to add more fuel to the fire it becomes more of a racial thing.
People can be better than that but they refuse to bring forth the betterment of themselves thus passing on the erroneous actions of their hands to the children, the next generation and they to their children, next generation.
That being said, such ones need to wake up, but that therapeutic pillow is just too good for them and they remain asleep.

Hi John Butler,
I wanted to go back to JW memorial because I believe that in the end I will be helping them during the final tribulation time. So I do not want that they forget me. I believe something similar will happen as happened to Joseph who was sold by his brothers to Egypt. 
And unfortunately I do not know other anointed in my area. 
And I understand that you feel unsure now, when the anointed among themselves can not agree on many vital things. So it is up to you to decide who of the anointed is understanding the Bible right. In the begining of WT org Charles Russell looked around and learned scattered pieces of truth from different sources. I think that is a way to learn. Some youtube preachers could have examined specific biblical subjects and got it right without JW background. For me it does not matter what the source is, if the arguments are sound and real. And in accord with the Bible.
This deplorable situation among the anointed themselves is actually fortold in Malachi. The anointed are symbolized by the sons of Levi, that need a serious cleansing.  This prophecy had a partial fulfillment in the first centry when John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus, the messenger of the covenant. But as many prophesies in the Bible there should be a second fulfilment. The WT teaches that the second fulfilment happened in the early history of the WT org, when the WT organization and its early members were supposedly cleansed. But evidently the sons of Levi, the anointed were far from cleansed to the core at that time, as described in Malichi 3:3. So  we should expect that suddenly Jesus will start the cleansing of the anointed, as the messenger of the covenant.  And logically before this cleansing period things would be out of order.
Here is the verses in Malachi:
Malachi 3:1 “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me.+ And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;+and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.2  “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. 3  And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. 
 
And a note-worthy prophecy we find in Malachi 4:5. This prophecy likewise got its first partial  fulfillment on John the Baptist. But the verse speaks about Elijah's coming before the awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. So this "Elijah" should come before Armageddon and teach God's people. So there is hope according to the Bible.
Malachi 4:5  “Look! I am sending to you E·liʹjah the prophet before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.+ 6  And he will turn the hearts of fathers back toward sons,+ and the hearts of sons back toward fathers, so that I may not come and strike the earth, devoting it to destruction.”
 

There is something else and very interesting  I have found regarding the shape of the "cross/stauros" but I will have to wait until our power is back (Ice storm) and I can get on the computer because typing this on the phone is a pain.

If you could keep your aviarphobic hatred to yourself I would appreciate it. You are nearly as bad as that ridiculous TTH.