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7 hours ago, Anna said:

I'm sorry. What I should have simply said is that Russia was not the king KON in colonial times, it only became the KON in the time of the end. Before the first world War the KON was Germany I believe and Anglo America has always been the king of the south. I don't know who the KON was supposed to be in the 18th century....

Oooh okay ..got you now 🙂

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Sadly in Australia, during Authoritarianism, dogs can be terminated should someone give the call, this was the case when Authoritarianism was scaling up in the country.

As of right now, Australia still upholds Authoritarianism. Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely.

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Sadly in Australia, during Authoritarianism, dogs can be terminated should someone give the call, this was the case when Authoritarianism was scaling up in the country.

As of right now, Australia still upholds Authoritarianism. Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely.

They have a massive amount of control legally attained..which in itself was corrupt…most people here do not realise that as we  were by nature not interested in politics .It seems legally everything is in place for them to start turning on anyones faith when they see fit .

2 hours ago, Anna said:

Wasn't the KON supposed to make its appearance in the last days? (since 1914). In that case, Colonial America and Britain wouldn't count.

Why?…they were active..but I’m not sure I have understood  your question 

19 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I always thought that if things get really bad in the United States I could escape to Australia, but it seems that Australia has become or is becoming a totalitarian state.

It all began when they confiscated everyone’s guns.

Dogs are kept in quarantine for somewhere between 6 to 12 months over here…..

1 minute ago, Space Merchant said:

Some of Pearl's ideas I have challenged before. She's no different from David Wood. The difference between her and the David types is David is relentless, the only time he showed weakness was in an in person debate in London.

That being said, although she and or acolytes are misguided, I still have pity for them despite their falsehoods, and I say this because of the way Babylon has been moving for some time. Babylon has also claimed members of your faith, as is mine, therefore, it shows how dangerous and cunning the enemy is.

I do not know Wood…and yes I have great pity for these….as I said..I understand why some do this…….or get swayed to stray…but to continue  down from that fork in the road….and take so many with them..my pity runs out for these leaders…

Again the thing is …they probably are all nice people..and it’s hard for some to detach themselves from them……and make a stand for truths…

You know if we was walking along and seen Satan sitting at a table..he would appear as a good looking nice kind man…a man of great intelligence and he would also appear to be modest about it…some choose to sit and talk with him….some see thru him and escape his trap….but some are so intrigued with certain revelations that only a man of great spiritual powers would know..so they take another bite …and then another bite….just as Eve was deceived…so are many who listen to Pearl and the likes of her,

Its sad as they genuinely beleive her teachings….

On 2/20/2022 at 11:11 PM, Equivocation said:

Interesting, I seen the name Pearl pop up many times in other disscusions on this forum, but not 100% sure who she is. The only thing I know is that she is a former Jehovah's Witness, but the mentions and history of her, even on this forum, not too sure about.

Pearl was a witness and a very nice lady but now teaches demon inspired teachings…I know this for a fact…she has no time for study and writes sitting at her table with pen  and paper..she does not know what she is about to write nor has studied the question she is about to answer from someone.

she writes and it just flows and she herself is surprised at times of what is written….it’s called automatic writing…like channeling …her writings have truths wrapped and Intertwined with expressions and words coming from demon sources …that’s why she can sound intriguing and fascinating at times…the demons can see when we have teached  a wrong belief….they relay the proper understanding to her….years later the brothers have corrected that understanding…..she is being used as a mouth peice for them..so they do give her some truths and this acts as a hook to those who listen to her…it’s how Satan always works….over the years I have seen followers of her have a real hate for witnesses…a real venom comes from them.

satan targets hurt brothers and sisters….while at their weakest…many follow her…some see thru it..having said that. I do understand why she became like that..and it’s a shame a real sad shame….but is no excuse to mislead so many and put them on the road to destruction…it’s a cruel and selfish thing they are all doing.

By the way I have blocked certain ones here who will probably answer this..

31 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Apologies.

No worries…I’ve done that myself…I don’t how but it happens sometimes…

34 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

 

Well I can always come over for a yak and sit on your lawn and garden chairs…😆✌️

10 hours ago, Anna said:

I don't know.....it seems to me that who the king of the North is will be evident at the last moment, at the point of divine intervention. We used to say Russia was the king of the North during the cold War, (we expected the end to come soon) then when the cold War ended we said Russia was no longer the king of the North.....and now he is the King of the North again. What if Putin is removed and a democracy is put in place in Russia, and China starts misbehaving? Will China then be the king of the North? I'm just thinking out aloud....

Yes I find it very confusing..ever since I came into the truth over forty years I have never understood this…America and England have ruled over so many lands with unbelievable power  and extreme cruelty..just take Australia alone..they decimated a beautiful people to gain that country…Russia didnt….Africa..the same…Even India was ruled by English for a time and in modern times they decimated so many middle eastern countries…but Russia didn’t…so I have to ask what lands has he flooded over?????…but then we have to remember the king of the North is mentioned regarding Gods people..and their relationship…????

But the King of the North has flooded over many lands In Their communistic belief thus flooded many lands in killing any belief in any God..he has been very successful in that…so there has to be something in that!…Putin/ Russia may just be the tip of the spear head of the King of the North…so we have to get our head around that…KN has to be extremely damaging to spiritual things…as Russia and he is in alliance with China as is many other non Christian countries… who are at this minute trying to kill of any Christian belief.

The king of the North is an enemy to true faith….thus it must all be about a spiritual  battle…and not lands.

I agreee that  America/England look like the king of the North and act like the King of the North because they are war mongering hateful acts of other lands and people…and have flooded over and taken other lands much more than Russia…..but for them it’s about power and ruling…not about faith..they don’t kill of peoples faith…where as As Russian and her allies will without doubt kill faith off…it’s a spiritual war..

just my thoughts …also it’s why I like Aruana and her explanations of the subject…it helps untangle my doubts to a degree..

10 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

Yes, yes. But...

Why do we have to limit ourselves only to past events? WWI and WWII events

Are we sure that the situation is not going to change? I mean, that the USA will remain relatively moderate and tolerant until the end, that it will always respect us

Are we sure that the horn persecution of Daniel 7 (and 😎 has already happened? And that of Revelation 11, 12 and 13, has it already happened? Sure?

Well, it could be, but it doesn't add up to me.

Yes I wonder these things too…but Aruana explains it so well too..

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

True, he only intervened in human affairs when his future purpose was in jeopardy such as when he warned Joseph that Jesus' life was in peril.  Jehovah does not as a rule take control of human affairs but does work towards his goal when he has prophesied events such as the prophecy concerning Cyrus.  Cyrus was anointed by Jehovah for a certain job...... to send Israel back and build the temple.  Jehovah gave him special capabilities in order for him to unite all the tribes of the Persian empire almost overnight.  There was NO empire and them there was one.

 

 It is in prophecy that the king of the North as this time (Germany) would act against the nation of God and also that he would not prevail.... But it is also prophesied that the League of nations (which went into the abyss at start of WW2), would again re-appear and get life blown into it from the Anglo-American world power as the UN (image of the beast). Rev 13:15.   

Consequently,  Jehovah does not step into human affairs to help us because humans (Adam) chose independence from God and self-rule without his "good and bad".  God has allowed humans to rule the earth without Him to prove that humans cannot rule the earth successfully when they do not follow his moral guidance.  If God acts like a fairy godmother and fixes all problems as the occur,  then he will be helping the renegade governments and in the process destroy his own case that humans cannot rule successfully without Him.

There was a glitch in this….as thinking never said that 

12 hours ago, Pudgy said:

There is no evidence whatsoever, zero, zip, nada, Jehovah God or Jesus Christ intervened in anyway whatsoever during World War II or any conflict in modern times in any way whatsoever.

There is no evidence that a single individual’s eventuality was changed by divine intervention in anyway whatsoever.

There is no evidence that any nation’s eventuality was changed by divine intervention in anyway whatsoever.

Irregardless of a plethora of competing religious theories, ideas and concepts, there’s absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise than we are on our own, and have to manage the best way we can.

Jehovah God did not stop Adolf Hitler, or Pol Pot.

Nor did he intervene in any way in Grand Prairie Texas when four sisters were driving in Field Service, were T-boned at an intersection  and killed.

Of course you are welcome to any theory you want.

Reality, the way things really are, cares nothing about our convenient fantasies.

 

What about when Gabriel fought with the prince of Persia ( demon Angel) for sometime and he had to call on Michael the archangel to help him so he could get the messages to Daniel…does that count.?…or when Joshua came upon Michael the Commander of Jehovahs army and got given advice….would that count???.I dont know I’m just asking?

1 hour ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

Very interesting what you say, as always.

But, look, I think there is a lot of evidence that the USA is the king of the north. I hope to have time one day to explain myself better, just to advance two things:

• In our explanations it has been said that Russia has worshiped the "god of fortresses" as meaning that it invests a lot in armament (more tanks and less butter), as they used to say.

But according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures it turns out that the USA spends TWICE as Russia, India and China TOGETHER.

• And about the King of the North's mood to invade. Sure, drawn from the Western perspective Russia is the bad guy, but what if we include the US role in Afghanistan, Iraq, South America, Vietnam and many others?

Well, just this that I don't have time today. But I insist, AND I MAY BE WRONG, but I think there would be grounds for thinking that the north and the south...

I have often wondered this as Anglo American powers have flooded other lands and gain their riches and ruled their governments with cunning..read confessions of a economic hit man ….what lands have Russia flooded over…?..or perhaps they are about to?…so many questions ???

But then the Anglo American powers have not really hurt Jehovah’s people to badly…so that doesn’t fit ?

On 2/26/2022 at 11:02 PM, Pudgy said:

True, that.

But I do not believe justified self defense conveys the “mark of the beast”.

If I am wrong, perhaps I should not have everlasting life.

It always bothered me that true Christians seemed to be the ones most afraid to die.

 

Well it depends on how I’m to die…put me up against a brick wall and firing squad..yeah..I could handle that..even a gullatine is doeable….but being skinned alive…..well…yeah I’m going to run…!!!

On 2/26/2022 at 1:23 PM, Pudgy said:

….. And considering the question of neutrality and how God is it relates to the affairs of men more and more I’m wondering of Joseph‘s relationship to the Egyptian government of his time. He was the third ruler of the land, Under the son of Pharaoh, and my guess is he was roughly the equivalent of here in the United States the Secretary of Defense.

Since he was obviously a Hebrew, did he give his allegiance to the government of Egypt which in those days was the Pharaoh in the house of Ra?. It is my understanding that the term pharaoh actually means “the house of Ra“.

Joseph controlled the food supply for the nation of Egypt for at least 14 years in a time when everybody had a tendency to steal food for at least seven of those years.

I can easily visualize Joseph having to order armed soldiers to protect those granaries during the times of starvation especially.

Considering the responsibilities of his job as Secretary of Defense and Agriculture, do you think it bothered him to control the forces that protected the assets of the Egyptian government, and Egyptian people? To chastise them unto death?

I can easily visualize bandits in raiding parties attacking the granaries, and him having to kill them to make them stop. Perhaps not personally, but ordering the forces that were necessary to have it done.

I can also easily visualize Joseph maintaining his integrity to God and maintaining his allegiance to God, while serving the house of Ra in the exact same way as if his allegiance was to Egypt, and perhaps at some point in time he did have to give that also to the Pharaoh, even if only a secondary allegiance in order to protect Egypt’s food supply, which naturally extends to protecting Egypt’s borders from invasion by outside nations that we’re devastated by starving populations during the day 7 “lean years.”.

I am in my bed now writing this on my iPhone, having just awakened from a very vivid lucid dream in full color, (I generally do not dream in color, all my life I have dreamed in black and white), And the dream was about this issue.

I think it was inspired today when I learned about the 13 soldiers that died on Snake Island in the Ukraine when ordered to surrender by a Russian warship on the Black Sea, and they replied “go F—- yourself”, Which was the ultimate defiance and for which they paid the ultimate price.

I was so proud of them at that moment that I cried like a baby and feel much like many Texans do when they hear the story of the Alamo.

I guess this means that I am not neutral, anymore.

it means you had a very emotional dream that caused you to remember some very brave acts of men who died for what they believed in.

The colour thing happens with lots of people now and then or even only once in their life time..some people dream in colour all the time…it doesn’t make them inspired.

I too have admired many different soldiers for their bravery and their deaths…I have cried because of their heroic acts..no matter what nation they were from …I am in awe when I hear about the men who defended Darwin when the Japanese constantly attacked and Churchill refused to send a defence..and considered Darwin and Australia expendable…theses men fought with bare chests due to the heat…they fought knowing they were alone and abandoned..they did not expect a victory…I admire them…and I thank them..and I cry when I hear them talk of it….I sat with a highly decorated Vietnamese vet on The edge of his bed with my arm around his shoulders as he wept and told me of his missions in Nam….I quietly sang to him a verse of a song which I know they all sang over there…” We gotta get out of this place if it’s the last thing we ever do “…he looked at me with his tired worn out face and said…how did you know that….he has died now.

None of that makes me political..what you feel does not make you political.

It makes you humane and an admirer of bravery in the face of diversity and death….and you weep with them at their pain and loss…you admire their sheer bravery and sacrifice……sorry Pudgy nor does it make you inspired …but hang in There.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do you think this is a thing of the past? And that there is no dogmatism today?
If you believe that then you are seduced, unfortunately.

“New lights,” like the overlapping generation, Gog and Magog, GB going to heaven, etc. are nothing but a construction of the human imagination. When such ideas are translated into the official text of publications then they become official teachings. Any intellectual resistance is an alarm for elders who are obliged to suppress the appearance of opposing views or criticisms. At that moment, it becomes clear that this is a dogma, which needs to be kept above water in order to stay alive.

If a JW member commented in a private or public setting that he saw no justification for believing in, say, an “overlapping generation,” and if that meant free discussion of all present, without punishment, then we could say the organization is not dogmatic. That she is ready to be subjected to "examinations of the spirit" by her own members. Because they are legitimately called upon (by Bible) to question the correctness of teaching.

Perhaps you just don’t know Jehovah as well as you think…and why he allows certain things….and you certainly don’t understand the gravity of your own situation in judging things before the due time….. so you have found the perfect faith sereko….one with all doctrines and thoughts in perfect line with Jehovahs thoughts….people who never act dogmatically at times….people who have never had sexual abuse or mishandled such cases….perhaps you could name that faith…or group…so where do I go sreko…to the forums that banned me because I questioned THEIR NEW  faiths and doctrines…and broke THEIR rules…those forums full of ex JWs….who now don’t even use the name of Jehovah anymore ….so as not to confuse or put people of….and who all claim now to be anointed with their great cause of saving poor brothers and sisters from the WT…and who all have different opinions of revelation and different thoughts on every scripture.

To what faith do you belong to Sereko…who do you bow down to….tell me how you help spread the good news of Jehovahs great plan and the hope we all have that lies ahead…so tell me…did the Israelites get it all right….or perhaps the Jewish system got it all right…or maybye you beleive the Christian system got it all right…..none of them…and nobody will ever get it all right until after Jehovahs great day is finished.

Your the one who has been seduced sereko…by the Judas like spirit amongst the ex JW community which Jehovah is allowing for a winnowing…so stop the blubbering and whining and pick up your torture stake…and act like a soldier of Christ…one who doesn’t crumble like a girl when one of his Generals barks an unfair order at him…

4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Does this ignorance and bad report stem from the FACT, science has gotten better to now have a conscious choice? Instead of agreeing with @Srecko Sostar a former Jehovah's Witness, you just happen to lie about NOT reading his post.

I believe the "false equivalency" is the point of order to the word dogmatic, which you as a Jehovah's Witness, I guess, and Former Jehovah's witnesses are famous for here. Adding to scripture from Woeful Jehovah's Witnesses has plagued this site for years. Not understanding the advancements of science is another. 

The question for "thinking" visitors here is, should a person that accepted WHOLE BLOOD in the PAST, be the "same" as a person receiving WHOLE BLOOD in the present?

Blood fractions were not possible in the past, therefore a Jehovah's Witness accepted a WHOLE BLOOD TRANSFUSION.

If other Christian sects appreciate the word of God, then

Acts 15:41

"Now, if this decree be obligatory upon all Christians, then can it no longer be a doubt with any Christian, whether he is obliged to abstain from blood and things strangled. And if the direction of any one apostle, inspired of God, be obligatory, certainly it can be no doubt whether a solemn decision of all the apostles, expressly declaring the joint determination of the Holy Spirit, in the point, be also obligatory.

(from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 All rights reserved.)

Why these bad actors here are Jehovah's Witnesses is beyond me. However, God knows and that institution knows. This site has been labeled an apostate site.

How does the words in Acts suggest it doesn't apply to your way of thinking? And how is that institution you are disgracing, been misleading?

NIV Acts 15:24-29

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore, we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

Actually, it does make you disloyal to God, for not accepting what is written. You are just an embarrassment to that institution for your lack of bible knowledge, that's all.

I guess when Jesus was "revising" the Jewish Laws, he was in "error" for doing so. When something new comes along as to interpretation of linguistics, it's an error to further understand it, and make "adjustments" whenever possible.

I will agree with you in one point. The institution's usage of the word error in an inappropriate form, which I have voiced my concern over.

I THINK you would do better as a Berean member, not a Jehovah's Witness.

You know Ditmar the only person you are hurting with such cruel remarks is you…and for the sake of peace….I will let this go …

12 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

As far as I can remember, the publications of WTJWorg, ie the authors of the articles, have confirmed literally that some things said in the literature are nothing but dogmatism. How is the state of dogma confirmed? By imposing a teaching, the construction of which is later changed or completely rejected. While the dogma is in force there are dire consequences for those who oppose it.

WTJWorg is full of dogmatic approaches. Older members should be more aware of this than those who have only recently joined JWorg.

The dogmatic views did exist…I do notice no practising witness comments on these sorts of posts but I am going to…one which I am thinking of is Organ transplants..of which many died because if they took them they would be disfellowshipped…and I read some examples of one’s dying true to the faith et cetc…later it was found to be unscriptural and a conscience matter.

in the meantime a number of witnesses died before this dreadful over reaching of the written word was admitted…

This Ditmar is going beyond the written word and being dogmatic because they were disfellowshipped if they went ahead and had one….I often wonder if they were or even offered their disfellowhipment to be pardoned.

I see that…and me admitting that does not count me as a witness that lacks loyalty…because it turned out to be a man’s law…..the same thing applies to the 1975…that came from the top…it was misleading..again going beyond the things written…It did not come from the rank and file.

these things were errors….serious ones…and that’s why we need to be like beroeans and make sure of what is said is scriptural…

That does not make me Disloyal to Jehovah or Jesus….nor the org…because the org changed those views in time and admitted their error….

I read a WT article warning some witnesses to be careful not to idolize Jehovahs visible organization….as the Israelites did in the wilderness and went into panic mode when Moses didn’t come back….some are doing that….some not….

Doesnt make me a bad witnesses (Ditmar) more like a wiser one….if I say so myself.

But I will stand toe to toe with those who trash on the org….because they are lacking trust in Jehovah …there is a difference in admitting errors….and attacking because of those errors…..and you dont get that Sreko  and nor do some others here…including Ditmar.

22 hours ago, Dmitar said:

How covenant, since my illustration comes from Bible Student supported literature that you yourself just posted.

This time things became personal. Tim knew that this appeal would mean an FBI investigation, but they really got nosy! The investigators even talked to Susie's Dad. That just about did it. Susie understood, but not Mr. Deaver. "If Dave has to go and risk his life," he told her, "you are a traitor by dating this snivelling coward of a conscientious objector. It's bad enough that he is one of those pesty Jehovah's Witnesses, but he's a yellow-bellied coward on top of it."

It's a backdrop of how you think Bible Students are nice. Maybe the ones you've encountered are, just, not all. Some have vicious and extreme views about Jehovah's Witnesses.

Aside from allowing themselves to be influenced by man's traditions, they also have high regards about the CROSS and CROWN. Their signature logo.

Yes I know some are vicious and I have stood up to one of them…toe to toe…and got myself banned from a forum because of it…..and he’s probably here scoffing away privately at two witnesses disagreeing…..

And who in the hades is Tim and Mr Deaver  and Susie’s Dad?????

On 2/1/2022 at 6:08 AM, Pudgy said:

…….. And now for something completely different, although completely the same, about an army battling a seemingly far more powerful army. 

And in the interest of non sequitur discombobulation, something really completely different.

Just round it out.

 

Dissent on the Margins.pdf 718.26 kB · 2 downloads Dissent 2.pdf 1.11 MB · 2 downloads

On 2/1/2022 at 6:08 AM, Pudgy said:

…….. And now for something completely different, although completely the same, about an army battling a seemingly far more powerful army. 

And in the interest of non sequitur discombobulation, something really completely different.

Just round it out.

 

Dissent on the Margins.pdf 718.26 kB · 2 downloads Dissent 2.pdf 1.11 MB · 2 downloads

Wow thanks for those down loads…are those books still attainable ..

4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

If you wish to submit facts on how the problems of ancient times aren't dealt with today, I'm happy to hear them instead of your personal biased opinion, that a former Jehovah's Witness needed to defend your view.  Therefore, the wolves you speak of are coming from here.

The misconception @Srecko Sostar has is with ancient judicial system that the Elders apply along with the two witness scriptural rule. He thinks the entire "congregation" needs to decide, instead of the Spiritual Guides deciding. Part of the congregation deciding wasn't dealt with, with the ancient church leaders?

@Srecko Sostar referenced Matthew 18:17 to make his compelling argument. How did the people in ancient time deal with the accused such as Jesus when he was brought before the church leaders? 

Srecko seems to indicate how Pontious Pilate dealt with the Jewish people to decide what should be done with Jesus. Is that how Jewish Law was supposed to be dealt with?

1. @Srecko Sostar didn't apply 1 Corinthians 6:1 to begin with.

2. @Srecko Sostar didn't consider Acts 15:5-7 with an emphasis in verse 6 However, the O.T. can be applied

6So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter.

3. @Srecko Sostar refused to heed bible principle with 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14-15 and you can apply Romans 16:17-18

You seem to agree with @Srecko Sostar that the Elders and the governing body are overreaching. Why claim to be a dedicated Jehovah's Witness, as you indicate. Also, how well would it sit with secular authority, which all of you seem to forget, since Roman law dealt with the most serve punishment. So, how does your view mean FACTS to the visitor?

3 hours ago, Dmitar said:

How would you compare the Bible Student's Christian Conduct with the Christian conduct you Jehovah's Witnesses supply here?

I believe, I gave you an example of a harsh critic as a Bible Student against Jehovah's Witnesses. Does this mean you agree with such criticism, because the ones you've met are nice?

All I know is generally they dont like us….as a people…..I cannot comment on their Christian conduct because I dont know them personally..as in over a long period of time…

They find a lot of faults with us…but that could work both ways…I read an account of a JW going and attending their meetings but was disappointed as he saw the same fault with in them as he did with us.

I do not recall the harsh critic you speak off…

3 hours ago, Dmitar said:

If you wish to submit facts on how the problems of ancient times aren't dealt with today, I'm happy to hear them instead of your personal biased opinion, that a former Jehovah's Witness needed to defend your view.  Therefore, the wolves you speak of are coming from here.

The misconception @Srecko Sostar has is with ancient judicial system that the Elders apply along with the two witness scriptural rule. He thinks the entire "congregation" needs to decide, instead of the Spiritual Guides deciding. Part of the congregation deciding wasn't dealt with, with the ancient church leaders?

@Srecko Sostar referenced Matthew 18:17 to make his compelling argument. How did the people in ancient time deal with the accused such as Jesus when he was brought before the church leaders? 

Srecko seems to indicate how Pontious Pilate dealt with the Jewish people to decide what should be done with Jesus. Is that how Jewish Law was supposed to be dealt with?

1. @Srecko Sostar didn't apply 1 Corinthians 6:1 to begin with.

2. @Srecko Sostar didn't consider Acts 15:5-7 with an emphasis in verse 6 However, the O.T. can be applied

6So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter.

3. @Srecko Sostar refused to heed bible principle with 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14-15 and you can apply Romans 16:17-18

You seem to agree with @Srecko Sostar that the Elders and the governing body are overreaching. Why claim to be a dedicated Jehovah's Witness, as you indicate. Also, how well would it sit with secular authority, which all of you seem to forget, since Roman law dealt with the most serve punishment. So, how does your view mean FACTS to the visitor?

I don’t even read most of sreckos  posts so I’m not sure of what you are referring to…so sorry I cannot give you an answer

On 1/14/2022 at 4:33 PM, Dmitar said:

If it's not too insulting for you. Can I ask what independent branch of the Bible Students you frequent? It seems like a group outside the USA.

The ones I deal with are a lot more brazen.

TOO MANY DOORS
"To everything there is a season...A time to kill, and a time to heal;... A time of war, and a time of peace." Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8."

"This time things became personal. Tim knew that this appeal would mean an FBI investigation, but they really got nosy! The investigators even talked to Susie's Dad. That just about did it. Susie understood, but not Mr. Deaver. "If Dave has to go and risk his life," he told her, "you are a traitor by dating this snivelling coward of a conscientious objector. It's bad enough that he is one of those pesty Jehovah's Witnesses, but he's a yellow-bellied coward on top of it."

 

I don’t frequent their groups but have listened to their talks…and FB pages…...and in my line of work have been able to speak with a few personally …..asking them questions etc…I’m also grateful for the Chicago Bible students who provide Russell’s writings at no profit….all the ones I’ve met are nice people….mind you I have met one I considered very childish and foolish….and who refuses to use Jehovahs name…and really hate us..and was a ex JW…

They all were a bit disappointing as  as to being very loose as to celebrating pagan holidays etc…and in a bit of a time warp….but lovely people generally .

On 2/2/2022 at 5:45 AM, Dmitar said:

How does this statement justify how Jesus and the apostles dealt with their everyday life of preaching the gospel? Don't influence the readers by your inaccurate depiction of bad Christian life. There is a difference between being actively zealous and being overbearing. Overbearing is a Christian that give bad reports constantly and is consistent with that message. Then you can say, that person is being too dogmatic.

Jesus was never like that ……and the Christian life back then had its problems as well…..the Corinthians cong was not all rosy……no cong even now is all rosy……we were warned  wolfs would enter in amongst us after Paul was gone…he was already dealing with superfine apostles at this time…with in the Christian congs of the time..

Facts Ditimar….deal with Facts….we are all works in progress ….