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  1. Thinking
    I think I know what your trying to say..but perhaps I’ve got it wrong.... I may very well have this wrong but Jehovah is in actual fact engaged in warfare now. Revelation 12:7then war broke out in heaven and Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. He was forced Into a state of warfare since Satan rebelled. Joshua 5:13,14 Identifies Michael as his Prince of Jehovah’s army....and also ... when the Israelites came out of Egypt they marched out in Military formation. even when the angel stood guard at the Garden of Eden ..he used a flaming sword ( weapon of war ) to block their re entering warfare carried out by Jehovah is righteous .. warfare carried out by mere man for mans ruler ship over man is not righteous nor condoned by him, he would still consider that murder...as all warfare is governed and caused by his enemy Satan a man slayer And the ruler of the world at this time. He is only tolerating mans warfare or allowing it because it is not his appointed time.... He uses humans as earthly agents to achieve his plan...when it suits him...and that involves warfare at times because Satan is using man to fight his war against Jehovah. Proverbs 16:4,,,Jehovah has made everything work for his purpose even the wicked for the day of disaster. At this present time Satan is the Prince of air and ruler of this world and he has chosen to fight by warfare.....he chose the weapon...not Jehovah . All warfare is murder unless it has been instructed to be carried out via the Chief of His Armies Michael. Jehovah would never condone warfare amongst men,..and from what I have read he would consider all of those deaths a unwarranted evil murder..... I cannot find anything in the scriptures at this stage to suggest otherwise...but by all means if I’m wrong please correct me....it’s a interesting question and it’s deeper than most of us realize. Basically all those Jehovah instructed to be put to the sword were allowed hundreds of years to change and he allowed them to go to the fullness of their error....they had become irredeemable in his eyes...and hurting his people and name and his plan....and they would NEVER change.
  2. Thinking
    Rubbish...leave him alone....he’s brutally honest...yeah at times he might say something that makes you wince a bit...probably because there was an element of truth in his words. jehovahs people down thru time have in the most part been a disappointment to him. 1Cor 10Now I want you to know brothers that our forefathers were all under the cloud and all passed thru the sea and all got baptised into Moses by means of the cloud and of the sea and all ate the same spiritual food and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they used to drink from the same spiritual rock that followed them and that rock meant the Christ.NEVERTHELESS God was not pleased with MOST OF THEM...for they were struck down in the wilderness. you honestly think we are any different to the Israelites of old....we are not! those men who refused to go into the land of Canaan because they felt they appeared as grasshoppers .... were the spiritual leaders of that time...they were not just the little Israelite. today is no different ...we are no different...we think we are but we are not. james has a better grasp on reality than you my brother ....he’s been beaten up...but he is still standing amongst Gods people....so I suggest you leave him alone as he’s very valuable to Jesus...... as valuable as that prostitute that the apostles first looked down on 😉
  3. Thinking

    Not sure if I’m writing in the right place as it’s been a while.

    but I’m responding to witness.who had a question put to him as to what he would do to correct or help the .org.

    he gave admirable thoughts...which I’m sure all of us would back up.

    The major thing that is escaping your notice Witness...is nothing you or any one else here could improve on anything really...

    For what is escaping your notice..,is never in the history of Jehovah having a people on this earth have they ever been able to do things to his satisfaction or right,

    Its the pattern constantly laid down in the history of the scriptures.

    the Israelites became worse than the nations around them...BUT he still considered them his people even tho severely disciplining them.

    the Jewish syste, also became corrupted and self righteous ...and thus received divine harsh punishment...

    Paul once again said wolves in sheep’s clothing would enter Into the cong and would treat the sheep harshly..and infact even whilst still alive he stated the man of lawlessness was already at work...

    Jehovah never ever wanted to send judges and prophets...he did that because they would not listen to or work out when their God was taking his spirit away from them...hence he sent men forward to actually communicate with them.

    he did not want them to have Kings as they would treat them harshly and tax them heavily...this life under them would be a burden...

    Our  God knows than no man or group of men or faithful and discreet slave....of whom are yet to be judged as such...can ever do What his people in the past has never been able to achieve .

    so it’s no good leaving....or thinking ANYONE can do better...because you are not learning the lesson that Jehovah is trying to teach you...

    Moses sinned....David sinned..Aaron sinned...Saul sinned..Peter denied Christ three times and they all fled and abandoned him...

    Jehovah’ is showing us at this time...NO ONE can do it right or will do it right...and we all need to humble ourselves and realise that it’s only when he returns in his appointed time....that most of us may realise that...

    we are no different that the Israelites...pigheaded stiff necked lot....or like the Pharisees...self righteous and pious..thinking we can do better"....well history has shown that won’t work nor was ever meant to work,,,,

    so we need to put up with and develop the attitude of Symon the priest and just get on with our business and have our peace with Jehovah...and that witness....is where endurance comes in...and patience...and a faith that Our God will rescue us in these confusing times.

    Because you to would mess up witness.....every single one of us here would....

     

     

     

    1. James Thomas Rook Jr.

      James Thomas Rook Jr.

      EXACTLY!!

  4. Thinking
    Well tho I understand your reasoning I don’t agree with it...it would be better for you to stay and be discreet in aiding where you feel the need....just as Jesus said there would always be poor amongst us...I would also like to apologise because I do see active witnesses constantly posting laughs after many people’s comments....that’s just immature and rude...we dont laugh at people on the doors...so we shouldn’t here... but you are going down a wrong track and I know you don’t beleive that...it’s sad..and so unnecessary....but I guess others have tried to help you see this so I’ll leave of now... just imagine if you had been around when there were temple prostitutes....yet Jehovah still used that system and allowed that for a Time being ....
  5. Thinking
    At a circuit assembly the Bethel brother stated that a lot of elders had to learn to yield to each other as many were irritating each other and even leaving congs to attend others....they had to learn to be wronged ..and act with graciousness......for the sake of peace I will yield. ....even tho I’m the lowly older sister ..
  6. Thinking
    You could help by staying....and just being there for ones who are hurting...I’ve heard good solid brothers tell it like it is.....it’s refreshing and up building .....perhaps organization isnt the best word to use ..I dont know when that was introduced....Russell didn’t introduce it ....I think of us as a big worldwide congregation...just like a huge family with all its troubles and problems ..tears and joys and smiles... i remember a brother once drew a line on the board...it started high and as the line travelled across the board it went into a downward spiral ....he said...that was the world.."he then asked us...how do you think Jehovah’s people are travelling.....he then drew a line..above the worlds declining line ....but it to went into a spiral downward...it remained above the worlds spiraling...but we still went down..just at a slower pace to that of the world. it was a sobering thought for all of us.....don’t expect too much from any of us....it really boils down to just you and Jehovah....
  7. Thinking
    I am very sorry to hear this John....I understand your reasoning but I would heavily ask you to consider the examples of Anna the prophetess and Simeon the Preist.....they lived amongst a lot of evil doings at the temple....yet they stayed and carried on with what they knew was required by them from Jehovah... you are missing a lot of genuine love experienced among the brothers and sisters,,,having said that even brothers that give talks from the platform have stated that they are aware the love of the brotherhood Is cooling off.....but there is still a lot to be found... John if you seen the apostles sitting at a table would you not be eager to join them...but would you turn your back on them if you seen Judas sitting there with full knowledge about him...would you turn away from the good men for the sake of one bad man... I wish you the best and I hope one day you can see where you learnt all about Jehovah’s kingdom and the wonderful hope that lies ahead...but you are being tested now...after all John....we serve Jehovah and not the watchtower.... but the watchtower/society is not perfect...we will always have errors and problems because ...well for many reasons.. but try for just a day...to look at the positives that Jehovah has fed us thru them....and be like Simeon and go about your business...
  8. Thinking
    Okay Billy the kid...let me make one thing clear to you...I have not overlooked the massive amount of work the society has done in educating all about this problem...in fact I use it.......you are very self righteous and judgmental...and I can only assume still a bit of a kid...where you and I are different is I listen to these so called disgruntled women....and men.....who have been raped ......I cannot even beleive you made such a clearly chauvinistic comment...but that does show your immaturity..so I’m giving you some leeway to leave your short pants you are wearing and will offer you patience to grow Into long pants ..thus show a bit of emotional maturity... Many are confused and have doubts....we need to speak consolingly to those who have doubts....I can see on this thread there are a lot of troublemakers who will not listen to reason...they are here to cause division and trouble....but you do not help a lot as you come over rather pious...and self righteous......and that’s only gives them fuel brother... I advocate for trying to understand both sides of the coin..but always with Jehovah’s love and compassion...but there does come time where one has To draw a line in the sand With out right trouble makers. you have stated some good points in your comment brother...but you don’t have it all correct either..and nor do I....but at least I know that... Those disgruntled women were once little girls who were raped...and angry men were little boys who were once raped...some over long periods of time... They are in EVERY religion and organization world wide...most don’t even come to the attention of our elders... I Thess 4,,,is good advice,,,for both of us ..so let us both stop continting with this activism.
  9. Thinking
    It is my understanding that they do it privately ...perhaps you could keep your granddaughters by your side at the meetings ...you also have a duty of care...
  10. Thinking
    I think you have misunderstood my question brother...I just dont understand why Brother Jackson advised the Australian Government to make it mandatory in every state to report....why don’t we just do that ourselves..worldwide... I also think we should be allowed to ask such honest question without being accused of engaging in conspiracy theories... I totally back you as far as the great deceiver being at work on the internet..causing divisions and doubts amongs Jehovah’s people...there is no forum on the internet that is safe...
  11. Thinking
    But why do we need the law of the land to tell us to do the right thing?
  12. Thinking
    Pearl has relayed to me personaly that she does not study the Bible as she does not have time..when some one writes to her and asks a question..she sits at the table with pen and paper and writes....she stated she does not even know what she has written a lot of the time...until she reads it. Pearl is a kind woman..but she has been deceived and is promoting teachings inspired of demons... She has built her own Golden calf And has her own following....many of these ex witnesses ...are either disfellowshipped or leave on their own accord...some have been genuinely hurt...others become puffed up with pride and so many become annoited...and have their own beliefs and teachings....and following .. These ones live on forums and visit them all....trying to save witnesses...
  13. Thinking
    Anyone who quotes pearl Doxcey as you have done ..is beyond understandimg the big picture or Jehovah’s plan...sorry but I view you as a true apostate ...end of conversation !
  14. Thinking
    Hey Brother Billie..your way out on this....it is undeniable if you watched the ARC...we as a people were found to have faulty policies...that’s a fact..we were forced to ammend them. Kids suffered because elders did not report or advise them to go to authorities...we tried to handle it in house....because Jehovah’s name was involved...some of these kids were shoved aside by their spiritual elders...come on brother..we have to accept responsibility where we were wrong.... otherwise the Catholic Church can lay it all down on the parents as well... we as a people would not handle cases of abuse as we once did....but back then we did shove it under the carpet in a number of cases. The child suffered...having said that many were handled well as could be...but we dont hear about them. The GB made the Policies brother...and now have amended the policies.. Keep in minds for those who will jump on this as proof we are not his people......the Catholic Church and Anglican Chirch has a percentage of well over 50% ..I forget the actual number but I’ve quoted on the low side....Jehovah witnesses had a ratio of 1% so this needs to be kept in perspective... It was a era of naivety on our parts ..as parents and probably elders as well...it was a different time ....we trusted to much....but then again the apostles didn’t recognize Judas when he was amongst them either...
  15. Thinking
    At a Circuit assembly we had a Bethel brother admit a number had been hurt by the organization...and were justified in their pain..he admited we had problems with in the org..and even tho they are trying to fix them..he admitted they probably won’t be fixed before the end comes.... when Jesus cleaned out the temple with whip etc...at no time did his apostles or any followers join him in doing that...so it will be when he returns.... He allowed Solomon and Saul to rule as kings for a long time after their falling away... you honestly think any man..annoited or not can do what belongs To Christ...look at the pattern of his people....it’s not hard to work out.... There is a reason for him allowing things to be as they are.....
  16. Thinking
    The GB have stated in true February 2016/2017 ..not sure of the dates ...that the FDS has not been appointed as of yet....and are yet to be judged... They then went on in the last half of that article to state why they feel it is them and why they feel Jesús will find in favour of them.....rather presumptuous of them I thought .... Again..David was annoited and deliberately disobeyd Jehovah ...for his own selfish gain....just because you are annoited...or have been invited does not mean you are perfect...and besides many are invited and few chosen.... what would you have done if you knew about David’s sin....how would you have sorted that out????
  17. Thinking
    If they need punishing or discipline ...off course..just as you and I....in fact they will carry a heavier punishment as they are teachers....but that is in his jurisdiction to decide..not yours or mine...keep in mind.... Aaron built the golden calf and did not even take responsibility for what he did but conviemtly blamed the people....what he did was massively wrong ...yet when Moses came down from the mountain ...he still offered a chance for all this committing spiritual idolatry another chance by telling all those who stood for Jehovah to stand by his side. Arrons life was spared because he did...but more out of consideration for his brother Moses...nevertheless Moses/Jesus offered all those worshipping the Golden calf another chance at repentance...obviously a lot never took that. The point being...the second man in charge did commit idolatry...yet was spared..it’s food for thought..
  18. Thinking
    Probably the same reason David got so much wrong and Peter, Samson,Moses..oh and Jonah
  19. Thinking
    Lol...well I probably am a misfit...I smiled at that..but I think I will still follow Joshua’s and Kalebs example....they would have hated to see what Aaron was doing with the Golden calf...I’m sure they would have stood apart mentally and spiritually from that...but they didn’t leave the camp....they showed great faith that Moses would come back...and I’m sure many were very confused at that time....I too will wait for Jesus to come down from the mountain....and correct his people... I remember a number of personal accounts of sisters and brothers being put into German concentration camps...they would often get taunted by their captors because those in leadership at that time...COs and Elders and even those in authority of the branch office betrayed them.....and those little sisters of no account and probably viewed as insignificant in the cong ...said.....”they may do as they wish..but for me...I will remain loyal to my God” So this little old misfit will do the same....:).....along with many many others who will stand firm and loyal to their God and Christ....You have underestimated so many of us... .
  20. Thinking
    You have no idea who you are speaking with John..I and my family have been victims of much worse than child abuse ....it is you who have no idea...and it’s is because I have had a spear thru my heart...that I feel I can speak as I do... there are bad men in positions of authority....wolves In Sheeps clothing..heartless and cruel men who are drunk on their own power over a cong.. having said that ..most are not like that....but why are you expecting g such a clean org now....that is impossible..we won’t be clean and acceptable until after the thousand years...at the moment we are in critical times hard to deal with...he encourages us to keep putting up with each other..because he knew how hard and difficult such things would be.. i am terribly sorry if you had been a victim of abuse...many of us are victims of the most severe abuse...abuse is not always of the sexual kind.......some have not survived..... there is much wrong amongst his people...but the point is....you didn’t dedicate yourself to an org.....you should have dedicated yourself the the Almighty Creator...... none of us have the answers...you don’t..nor I...only Jehovah will fix this..and thus faith must come Into to play.. now I must take my leave from you....as you are not good for me....you open my wounds and the festering starts all over again...you promote bitterness and restment....and they are my fall down...Ive had to work very hard at understanding why Jehovah allows such horrendous things amongst his people.....the answers are there John...but I know you are past wanting that.......even tho I know it is possible to heal....and see the big picture...Again I am sincely sorry and anguished at your pain from abuse...
  21. Thinking
    Aaaah now you have become a personal judge of me....are you yourself now not becoming self righteous and pious in your words and manner...time to step down of your self made throne John. Jehovah does not need you to point out or make known the errors of his people....do you honestly think he needs any human to do that....do you honestly think he did not foresee and know full well what would happen amongst his own people....why do you think he warned us in Peter that he would start judgement with his own household... Do you think Jehovah cannot clean his own house.... A lot of us don’t follow the GB...we follow,the scriptures and test it out as the beroeans did....you assume we are all puppets...you give no respect to many brothers and sisters who have stronger faith than yourself.....John you have a big mouth.....I can say that because once I did to....Peter had a big mouth too....but he learnt humility...and eventually I learnt it to....and not from any GB...but from reading the scriptures and allowing them to discipline me and correct me.... john did Jehovah clean out the Jewish System before he placed the messiah amongst them....your reasoning is flawed.... you are persecuting your brothers and sisters because you are not balanced in your views or thinking....you are making their scriptural command of teaching people the basic truths harder..and you are sowing seeds of doubt without any balanced knowledge as to why things are the way they are....it’s a extremely serious thing you are doing. i know of elders who have someone’s blood on their hands because of the way they treated that person....but you also could find yourself in such a situation as well..... i will end this conversation now because it would appear you are hell bent on exposing only the errors and not even acknowledging the wonderful basic truths Jehovah’s witnesses have been responsible for... you have too much bitterness John...and it has made you unbalanced in your judgement and comprehension...and actually ..your bitterness is probably justified...but it is running you....controlling you....and thus you are it’s slave and not the free man you think you are.
  22. Thinking
    I’m not blind John..I have just become master over my resentment anger and hurt....otherwise I would be like you....persecuting my brothers and sisters...
  23. Thinking
    I deleted this post as I think it went to the wrong person...I find it hard to navigate this forum ..
  24. Thinking
    Yes it is John ...just as it was wrong of Arron to build the golden calf in the wilderness...some witnesses seem to live in fairy land and think we as a people are so different to the Israelites of the wilderness when in fact we are the same. But don't let it escape your notice .... just as Moses did finally come down of that mountain and sort that wayward people out...so too will jesus come back and sort us lot out,,, so you leave because of wrong doing of a few in power ... what is escaping your notice is when those in the wilderness were directed to go forth and take the land ...only Joshua and Kaleb stood firm .. the rest had no faith in their God ... who were they ....they were the cheiftans of the tribes..men in authority ...they were not just any little Israelite man from the camp..they were probably men that were hand picked by Moses ...yet their error brought calamity down on their own people ....these things are relayed to us for an example ..to teach us ....can we really expect it to be so different today. instead of causing division and doubt why not consider Joshua's and Kalebs insight and understanding... why not imitate their faith and encourage those in this confusing time that Jesus will return just as Moses did and sort this mess out and bring about justice and peace to the hurt sheep ...
  25. Thinking
    The message bible is not my bible john ..I use lots of different translations but I do agree with you it can be fairly loose ..it was written for those who have never read a bible before and like simple phrases it actuallt advises its readers that it is just a introduction bible and should be used as a stepping stone to other study translations ..sometimes I like it ..other times I find it hopeless ..yes the GB have appeared to have sat them selves in the seat of Moses . we will all stand on a individual basis before Jehovah wether GB or not. But you feel as you do..give yourself a break and allow some peace within yourself ..find yourself a path that gives you that..get on with your life and enjoy it .
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