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the world has become wicked and the problem is that most are moving away from god and also from his principles of good and bad.  So it is just going to go into anarchy or persecution. Persecution because you are not falling in line with the new morality of the UN.  They are the ones promoting all the child "porneia" in schools.

When I studied Islam to the extent that I could distinguish a Shia from a Sunni when talking to them, I was astounded to see the U-turn most governments took on the violence inherent in the religion - especially after the term "islamaphobia" was coined. 
It fitted in so well with the extreme far-left agenda of being totally inclusive..... that jihadis are seen as good citizens and religious crimes are covered up -  because the press was no longer allowed to mention their names (UK), race or motivations in press releases. 
I was shocked in 2018 when UN signed agreements with their member countries that press must be "re-trained" if they show any form of islamaphobia. It fits with the new philosophy that only whites can be slave owners and be racistic.
A few years back I watched EU members in their meetings. I was also shocked when I discovered that they openly praised China and spoke of the "Chinese model" for the entire world. .... while fully aware of what China was doing to muslims and Falun gong. 
I warned friends where we were heading and I could see why satan would choose a central, financial government for the final beast ruling over humans because he wants totalitarian control. It will be a federation of digital currencies....  like old USSR under central banks... no other currencies allowed and no independent currencies allowed by law.. 
We are now experiencing a kind of cultural revolution the same as under Mao.... so everything is moving in one direction....... central emergency rule by UN under 10 kings. (Just as prophecied jn Revelation 17. ) all will be obligated to worship the beast and image of the beast or face the retaliation. 
 

I think, not long.  One can reason that it was part of Jehovah's stated purpose, He would have given the angels of his Holy Spirit to oust the demons and Satan very quicky. We see the results on earth quite quickly.

When studying prophecy I have encountered a common denominator. The revealing of prophecy comes with a process. I have not yet come across a single prophecy that has occurred in an immediate fashion. Most make the claim that (Matthew 24:30) can only occur after the Great Tribulation, but let us reason among the surrounding scriptures. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.  Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity." (Matthew 24:29-31)
The following verse states, 'Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven'. That sign began in 1914 causing all the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in grief, including those who are rightly disposed for everlasting life, even those whom are anointed are not immuned to Satan's woes upon the earth. "For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the Presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:27) What is that sign? The four horsemen that ride, all have work to do. These four horsemen are part of that Composite Sign spoken of in Jesus' answer to the question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” (Matthew 24:3) They give evidence of Christ's Presence as the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Christ 'will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound,' but what is the purpose? 'They will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds'. "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (1 Thess 4:16) This prophecy was first spoken of at (Daniel 12:1-2) "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (Rev 7:3) "And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000" (Rev 7:4)
Once the Last Days come to their end, the ones who are deceived by the Kings of Gog of Magog by refusing to give Jehovah and his Anointed One credit will begin dying a death of everlasting destruction, the second death with no hope of a resurrection. They die forever in the manner of Adam and Eve. However, as they die off without knowing of such, they begin to witness a wonderous phenomenon that positively provides undeniable proof of Christ's Presence as our Brothers and Sisters begin to receive the Blessings of Jehovah's Kingdom Government. (Daniel 2:44)
The Final Phase of Christ's Presence will Slowly Be Revealed as a Witness for All to SEE. The wicked will lament at seeing our Brothers and Sisters getting healthier as each day passes.
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The thing I try to remember is this:
If I had the absolute correct answer “to six decimal places”, it has NO PRACTICAL VALUE.
How we treat each other does.
 

Interestingly, when describing conflicts between angels (good versus bad) or between Jesus and demon-possessed people, the death of a defeated angel (on both sides) never happened. It was mostly that the influence of one or more angels on some events ceased or the demon's obsession with someone ceased, so that demon moved its influence to something else.
Descriptions of battles or wars are too symbolically described in the Bible when it comes to angels, and this is sometimes the case in some descriptions related to humans.

But what about when the prince of Persia ( one of the fallen angels, not sure if it was Satan himself.?) battled with Gabriel for a considerable amount of time…weeks??..to lazy to look it up..and he was too strong and had to call on Micheal for help….but your probably right .

I’m on the fence with this peace and security…so I cannot answer to that,

According to your publication on jwlibrary:
“And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” (Revelation 12:5, 6)
 The child is “a son, a male.”............Therefore, the birth seen by John closely involves Jesus Christ. No, it is not Jesus’ being born of a virgin back before the first century of our Common Era; nor could it refer to Jesus’ being raised again to spirit life in 33 C.E. Furthermore, it is no transmigration. Rather, it is the birth of God’s Kingdom in 1914 as a reality, with Jesus—now in heaven for close to 20 centuries—enthroned as King.—Revelation 12:10. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988027
WT JWorg interpreted biblical passages in such a way that the Kingdom is represented by the birth of a child, a baby. So I just used your terminology in my comment.
Next thing is that another sort of birth pains in 1 Thess are used not for 1914 but for period of time after proclamation of “peace and security”.
Your comment about birth pains was connected to GREAT WAR, aka WW1 in 1914, and not with 1 Thess.  So, i assume you are speaking about Jesus Kingdom from Revelation. Sorry  
…it certainly was a GREAT WAR ..like never before it rocked the earth and set the foundation for the second GREAT WAR…they say in the scientific world that it actually affected everyone genetically …their trauma and PTSD was I imprinted  in their genes to be passed on to their children …it really was like no other War…perhaps the first  -PAINFUL -pang felt from that pregnant woman.
 
 

It was the war which brought forth the Anglo-American world power.  But as I mentioned before: a combination of flame throwers, planes, tanks, chemical weapons, submarines, machine guns and all kind of weapons which really could take a lot of life.  This became worse during WW2.  Never before in warfare was all these weapons used and then WW2 used atomic power and improved technology - radar, air craft carriers etc. 
The class system which existed before WW1 also became less conspicuous. 

The birth pains in the last days - perousia -  which culminates in Jesús coming to do the judgement (first separating sheep and goats)   is NOT the same event as the birth pains bringing forth a heavenly child - the Son of god at the beginning of his Kingdom rule.  The heavenly woman is involved in this birth.
The birth pains of the last days (a symbol of the turmoil and pain in the last days) culminates in the day of Jehovah and there is no woman involved....it is merely an illustration of the painful conditions.

It’s only birth pangs for the earth…as in woe to the earth as he knows he has but a short time….it’s symbolic talk?Hes going to let mankind go to the point of extinction…as in no flesh left then he will roar as a might Lion King…there is no baby  being born??????? At this point…you are deliberately talking stupid.
your question doesn’t make sense to me?.

When I was young and in high school….I was an avid reader…the only subject I got an A in was history…but even at 14 and 15yrs old….I could see that the WW1 was very different to other wars…one aspect that was glaring to me as a young girl..was how women had changed in our clothing dramatically …in the Era of WW1…it was shameful to show one’s ankle and a woman was really fully covered…yet that same woman would still be Alive in 1960 and 1970s….her generation lived to see the bra less look…the mini skirt..the topless bathing…the see thru braless look ….the nudist beaches…the free sex..for everyone …and hippie era ….I often wondered what they thought..she would have been about 70 / 80 yrs old as they watched this phenomena…..because no other war before..had ever caused such a thing to be able to happen….at the time I didn’t own a Bible and had no religion to speak of….
This is just one aspect that ..that Huge war caused…it’s tentacles rearranged everyone’s thinking and attitudes around the world ….I really dont know how anyone can say that it was just like any other war…and I’m not even considering  anything from a spiritual view ….just a common sense thinking ….practical thinking….factual thinking….that fellow was right…it certainly was a GREAT WAR ..like never before it rocked the earth and set the foundation for the second GREAT WAR…they say in the scientific world that it actually affected everyone genetically …their trauma and PTSD was I imprinted  in their genes to be passed on to their children …it really was like no other War…perhaps the first  -PAINFUL -pang felt from that pregnant woman.

Jesus is ruling in heaven  amidst his enemies on earth but not yet ruling over the entire earth!  He will only rule over the entire earth AFTER Armageddon.  He has been ruling since 1919 over the spiritual paradise or the "land " But this is not earth wide.  It is the secret place that psalm 91 talks of that belongs to those who offer him pure worship.  So only those who are servants of Jehovah and are in this secret place serving him are in the " land".

Then things could be presented in such a way that the spiritual kingdom was born in heaven in 1914, and that the earthly kingdom will be born on earth in the future. So we have two births of one (same) child.

One must not mix up the birth pains of the time of the end here on earth with the birth pains of the Kingdom in heaven.
The Kingdom is a heavenly organization while the earth is imperfect........  birth pains in a very imperfect earthly system will last very long and be very bad.    Since this is the heavenly kingdom that is born from the heavenly woman (gods heavenly organization ) there must have been much excitement and some turmoil from Satan - who wanted to stop the inauguration..  but we know the result .... Satan was thrown out of heaven.  I always have thought that the name for the baby coming through the canal is NOT a pain but a pushing. Nevertheless - this is an indication that the birth is eminent.
Jehovah claimed the Son to be His.  In a new capacity Jesus would now rule as the promised King amongst his enemies here on earth..... with Satan part of the terrible pains on earth during the final days and Armageddon.   The theme of the bible is the future kingdom hope - so many prophecies were given to Daniel to indicate when Jesus would be born and when he would start to rule.  Revelation gives us a deeper understanding of these events and the finale. .
During this time when Jesús rules amongst his enemies - the earth would experience increasing pains

When I was young and in high school….I was an avid reader…the only subject I got an A in was history…but even at 14 and 15yrs old….I could see that the WW1 was very different to other wars…one aspect that was glaring to me as a young girl..was how women had changed in our clothing dramatically …in the Era of WW1…it was shameful to show one’s ankle and a woman was really fully covered…yet that same woman would still be Alive in 1960 and 1970s….her generation lived to see the bra less look…the mini skirt..the topless bathing…the see thru braless look ….the nudist beaches…the free sex..for everyone …and hippie era ….I often wondered what they thought..she would have been about 70 / 80 yrs old as they watched this phenomena…..because no other war before..had ever caused such a thing to be able to happen….at the time I didn’t own a Bible and had no religion to speak of….
This is just one aspect that ..that Huge war caused…it’s tentacles rearranged everyone’s thinking and attitudes around the world ….I really dont know how anyone can say that it was just like any other war…and I’m not even considering  anything from a spiritual view ….just a common sense thinking ….practical thinking….factual thinking….that fellow was right…it certainly was a GREAT WAR ..like never before it rocked the earth and set the foundation for the second GREAT WAR…they say in the scientific world that it actually affected everyone genetically …their trauma and PTSD was I imprinted  in their genes to be passed on to their children …it really was like no other War…perhaps the first  -PAINFUL -pang felt from that pregnant woman.

…… could be worse ……
 
….. could be Broomhilda Clinton …..
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I can’t watch this video that Srecko thinks is manna from heaven. The blatant disrespect and stupidity is too much for me. (I would read a transcript, where those qualities might not be so in-your-face.) I got about ten words into it and quit.
How do I know of the disrespect and stupidity if I have not viewed it? These two remarks from ones I respect: 
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It is sort of like those signs you will see in snooty neighborhoods declaring you must clean up after your dog and then going on to explain why.
As much as I think PSomH is a dodo, I will acknowledge that he retains a respect for God. Indeed, the problem is that he has become so ‘holy’ that he thinks nobody else does.
These critics such as in this video—I’ve read them on exJW forums. I am struck by how there no longer seem to be a spiritual bone in their body. Not only are they contemptuous of any organized worship but they are contemptuous of God. Any of the qualities people treasure about God or explanations of him—even the yo-yos here at least to an extent—mean nothing to them.
They are coiled springs suddenly released that go bounding off euphorically, caring not where they land. Anything is better than the minimal human discipline necessary to cooperation. Now—nobody can tell them what to do!!! They are free!!!!! They have left instructions for their grave markers: “I guess I told off those jerks, didn’t I?!”
It is impossible for me not to think of Peter’s description of animals born naturally to be caught and killed. I mean, their regard for spiritual things, for the concept of God itself, is absolutely zilch,  no more than that of a hyena.

They went through the tests after 1914 to 1919 in fulfillment of bible prophecy - also in 2nd world war - and they have done the work Jehovah gave them - they themselves, as well as WE know they are the slave.  As I asked you before - please tell me any other group that is doing the job Jehovah said would be done earth wide... and feeding a united people the same food ..... world-wide .....and if you can show me this group, I may join you.  But you yourself KNOW there is NO other group doing this work as prophesied in  Matthew 24 :14
It depends what these other anointed are doing.  If they do not want to work together due to imperfection.......and want glory for themselves - then they are not the true wheat.  If this other group of wheat are jealous and are working on their own - then they are NOT true wheat and do not know how to cooperate BUT are wheat who became weeds. The true wheat will form one group and stay united.  These other wheat THEMSELVES decided they are anointed and maybe they were NOT - that is why Jehovah rejected them, like Saul. 
So what about Matthew 24:45.......   when was there a slave that could do this work and preach world wide?  Mathew 24:14.... a sign of the last days.  What about the prophecy in Ezekiel which indicates that there will be an administration?
A lot of new brothers and sisters do not know how to preach - so the method they teach us is pretty sound and very good.  I was in publicity most of my life and I think it is pretty good... so that all publishers can have a share.  I DO NOT follow the instructions word by word ...... and I have never been in trouble because of it.  BUT I am sure if you arrogantly preach something that is not in the bible, Jehovah will make sure that it becomes known and you will be corrected.  And if you opt out after being corrected - then I am sure you are too hardnosed to take correction and it is better you do not spread false teachings.  We cannot have a bunch of loose cannons preaching anything they please. There are many who believe they have more spirit than others but this does not mean they do! 
 
My dear you obviously do not know what propaganda is.  They are NOT preaching any misleading political message.  The message that only the kingdom of Jehovah is worthy of our loyalty is accurate according to the bible as is our stance of neutrality. I think you must also not just accuse wildly.....your accusations are all over the place.   

Yes - I see that the slave has identified the UN as the image of the beast right after it was created.  It identified the harlot as the world empire of false religion.  It identified 1914 as the beginning of the invisible rule of Jesus Christ.  It identified so many things.
Are you still waiting for a visible christ to come on the clouds down to earth to rule?  Do you know what is the seven heads of the beast?   Who told you that? 
A generation is overlapping and I have demonstrated it here on these pages many times. So do not show old magazines to bring on old discussions.........  I reply with a question back to you...... do you see these things?   And if you see them....... who taught them to you?   
 

Do you know the definition of a miracle? Go read it again.  An act of anointing is NOT a miracle.  Cyrus the great was anointed by jehovah and he was a pagan!

I do not have the time to look up the history again. I did it about two years ago. Tried to look for my old post but it seems to have been archived. I reasoned on the flood and the generations who were associated with the flood and afterward.... . I could have improved on my old reasoning if I hapoened to have found it.  
I just feel if I have gone to he trouble before and people still go on taunting without really wanting to reason....... I think the repeated  excercise is not worth my time. I rather benefit myself by learning something new.  Trying hard to benefit others on this forum is not met with appreciation but taunting..... like throwing pearls to......... a dead lion? 

I surely know that there are many people who think they are so wonderful that they surely think they are anointed.... or they could have this psychological epiphany that they are anointed.....almost like a supernatural event outside themselves.....  similar to people who have the emotional experience in the churches when they "receive the holy spirit"  - sometimes it is not the real thing because this "miracle" can be psychologically induced.   Or if a person was truly anointed ..... it does not mean they remain true wheat - they can become opposers of jehovah.... the Bible says, those who remain faithful to the end will be saved.  Being anointed does not mean they are automatically sealed.
While I am not denigrating your personal experience - it does not seem to me that you have remained in the fold of those participating in pure worship.   Your knowledge seems to have dwindled since I first met you here...... sad to say.  There is still time to repent and update your knowledge.