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Knowledge is not what is most important JWI….if he behaved in the KH as he does here..he would be spiritually  counselled by the elders…once and perhaps twice…and if he continued to slander other brothers and sisters and bully them and call out numerous ones as liars etc he would be disfellowshipped for that.
Any witness…real witness must conduct themselves at a reasonable level of Christian conduct …ANYWHERE….even on a forum..you cannot excuse any witness of incredibly bad ….repeatedly bad behaviour …just because he offers up some good info…of which I agree…and have even upvoted….just because he is on a forum.
Satan himself would offer up as good a argument..and even better..but we would not sit at his table with him.
Tho I have blocked this so called brother I can follow the gist  of this argument…
Even tho his knowledge is good and his defence at times admirable…it is rubbed away..and deleted by his conduct and absolutely incredible slander and abuse to other brothers and sisters here.
In doing that he actually backs up in a way others who deliberately lie about witnesses…he is helping and aiding their hated and confusion of nearly every witness on this forum and the brotherhood.
The woman who followed Jesus around continually crying out that this is Indeed the Son of God ….actually caused Jesus such irritation even tho speaking highly of him and in fact truths ..frustration enough to demand the demon with in her to depart.
Giving himself and his followers a measure of peace..even tho she had only cried out truths.
Do you think this person can really be a brother..going by his fruits displayed over a long period of time.
I openly admit he has much more knowledge of the scriptures than I…but I have had to walk away from this person because of the harm he does to the truth in his behaviour.
I have never seen such behaviour anywhere in over four decades in the truth and being on a forum is not a free for all as some seem to think….not for a witness of a Jehovah …not for a true witness.
And for those that disagree with me…then I ask you to invite him onto your personal Facebook pages or into your homes….or perhaps arrange to meet him at your or his Kingdom Hall…or for a coffee.
See if he turns up…he’s a con job …

Well thank you..for I thought I must be going nuts or have thin skin …but I would have to say there is no excuse for cruelness…and at some stage someone needs to stop such..because it cannot come from a source or spirit as Jehovah …

I never said special laws I said different laws….one law ( applied to mankind ) when disobeyed  resulted in death that would be considered the first death for mankind …there was hope of recovery from that death due to Jesus ransom.
The same law when applied to the angels who sinned …had a different outcome there was no hope of recovery for them….their deaths will result In The second death .
My apologies if my wording was confusing,,,not that I think your at all genuine Sereko…I don’t,

Knowledge is not what is most important JWI….if he behaved in the KH as he does here..he would be spiritually  counselled by the elders…once and perhaps twice…and if he continued to slander other brothers and sisters and bully them and call out numerous ones as liars etc he would be disfellowshipped for that.
Any witness…real witness must conduct themselves at a reasonable level of Christian conduct …ANYWHERE….even on a forum..you cannot excuse any witness of incredibly bad ….repeatedly bad behaviour …just because he offers up some good info…of which I agree…and have even upvoted….just because he is on a forum.
Satan himself would offer up as good a argument..and even better..but we would not sit at his table with him.
Tho I have blocked this so called brother I can follow the gist  of this argument…
Even tho his knowledge is good and his defence at times admirable…it is rubbed away..and deleted by his conduct and absolutely incredible slander and abuse to other brothers and sisters here.
In doing that he actually backs up in a way others who deliberately lie about witnesses…he is helping and aiding their hated and confusion of nearly every witness on this forum and the brotherhood.
The woman who followed Jesus around continually crying out that this is Indeed the Son of God ….actually caused Jesus such irritation even tho speaking highly of him and in fact truths ..frustration enough to demand the demon with in her to depart.
Giving himself and his followers a measure of peace..even tho she had only cried out truths.
Do you think this person can really be a brother..going by his fruits displayed over a long period of time.
I openly admit he has much more knowledge of the scriptures than I…but I have had to walk away from this person because of the harm he does to the truth in his behaviour.
I have never seen such behaviour anywhere in over four decades in the truth and being on a forum is not a free for all as some seem to think….not for a witness of a Jehovah …not for a true witness.
And for those that disagree with me…then I ask you to invite him onto your personal Facebook pages or into your homes….or perhaps arrange to meet him at your or his Kingdom Hall…or for a coffee.
See if he turns up…he’s a con job …

…. Merely an example of circumstances.

Knowledge is not what is most important JWI….if he behaved in the KH as he does here..he would be spiritually  counselled by the elders…once and perhaps twice…and if he continued to slander other brothers and sisters and bully them and call out numerous ones as liars etc he would be disfellowshipped for that.
Any witness…real witness must conduct themselves at a reasonable level of Christian conduct …ANYWHERE….even on a forum..you cannot excuse any witness of incredibly bad ….repeatedly bad behaviour …just because he offers up some good info…of which I agree…and have even upvoted….just because he is on a forum.
Satan himself would offer up as good a argument..and even better..but we would not sit at his table with him.
Tho I have blocked this so called brother I can follow the gist  of this argument…
Even tho his knowledge is good and his defence at times admirable…it is rubbed away..and deleted by his conduct and absolutely incredible slander and abuse to other brothers and sisters here.
In doing that he actually backs up in a way others who deliberately lie about witnesses…he is helping and aiding their hated and confusion of nearly every witness on this forum and the brotherhood.
The woman who followed Jesus around continually crying out that this is Indeed the Son of God ….actually caused Jesus such irritation even tho speaking highly of him and in fact truths ..frustration enough to demand the demon with in her to depart.
Giving himself and his followers a measure of peace..even tho she had only cried out truths.
Do you think this person can really be a brother..going by his fruits displayed over a long period of time.
I openly admit he has much more knowledge of the scriptures than I…but I have had to walk away from this person because of the harm he does to the truth in his behaviour.
I have never seen such behaviour anywhere in over four decades in the truth and being on a forum is not a free for all as some seem to think….not for a witness of a Jehovah …not for a true witness.
And for those that disagree with me…then I ask you to invite him onto your personal Facebook pages or into your homes….or perhaps arrange to meet him at your or his Kingdom Hall…or for a coffee.
See if he turns up…he’s a con job …

No , but you referred to Nephilim  and the destruction of all. and you said a few things which are incorrect.

You forget I come from Africa and in my 70th year.  I also observed animals - not just puppy at that.
 
This is a statement which came from one of Hawkins books - these evolutionists always give themselves away.  At the end of his most popular book he said this.  So I suggest you re-think again .  You are the one telling others to think when you have not mastered it yet...... to satirize is your forte - not the art of thinking.

She was speaking of God: he may have  originally created them for a different purpose.  There may have been animals that were created only to be carrion eaters. ... to clean up the animals that have died.
For example - most group animals are usually herbivores.  It has now come out that the Rex moved in groups (groups of tracks were found). Their eyes are more to the side like a cow..... not a predator which has eyes which look straight ahead at its prey.  Its front arms are short...so how can it hang onto its prey- or push it down.  
It came out recently that there were floating islands of trees on the seas.....massive  floating islands of hollow trees like bamboo.  Who says some dinosaurs were not the sea monsters / birds that lived on these islands?   There is way to little knowledge about these animals and there is much conjecture about how they lived.  Many of the dinosaurs have hollow bones like birds.  Many of these floating islands landed up on land during the flood and became coal deposits.  They have found the bark of these hollow trees in coal deposits.
 

I do not agree. The THEORY of multiple universes is to give the evolutionists a way out of their conundrums.  The current theories do not give enough time for evolution to develop the complexity of life we see... so multiple universes give more opportunities for evolutionary "chances" to bring about life.  I did not make this clear in my comment above and some here  just assumed I believe in multi universes.  No this is not possible - math is not reality but a language tool (as I said).
No matter how many dimensions there are in this universe - if there was perfect (moral) life in another part of it - then Jehovah need not have sent Jesus to die for us.  An angel became wicked (Satan) and a human became disobedient...so it is already an universal issue. Jesus is the ONLY perfect one from both realms (the invisible and born in the visible), whom Jehovah could use to provide the ransom. Other perfect angels could have come but they did not fit the bill.  Jesus was the only one directly created by Jehovah and Satan could have made the allegation that he has too much of a perfect life - as he did with Job.
There are no other moral beings in other places, except the angels and humans.  Our animals cannot think morally because we are the crown of Jehovah's creation.  Animals, insects and other forms of lower life, even apes,  cannot appreciate beauty or look far into the future like humans can or distinguish right from wrong. 
If there were no humans on earth to appreciate the beauty and generosity around them - then it would be as if the earth did not exist in a conscious moral way. Animals could not appreciate this earth. They merely act on instinct and survival.

Satan - the minute he lied to Eva. 

Jehovah would not destroy any who are righteous.  They knew that Noah was building the ark - even Noahs father, wife and brothers did not listen...... They were NOT punished because the angels were wicked. Noah through his obedience condemned them.

All moral creatures have free will to choose in every situation what they want to do.  They can choose to do it in Jehovah's way your their own way.  Free will is powerful because it is a quality that we received from Jehovah - but our free will has limitations.  A father watches over his child to check if he is going to hurt himself.  Daddy allows the child free will to play with many things.  Only when he may hurt himself or someone else the dad will intervene.
Satan deliberately chose to go in opposition to his father. That is like a son who joins a gang just because his father warned him against it.  He then goes on to kill and then destroy his own life.

Both parties sinned..wether of the heavenly arrangement or the earthly arrangement…the only law Adam and Eve had back them was one as far as I know..and that was not to partake of the fruit of the tree.
This law of obedience was required….from his earthly family.
As far as Heavenly laws…Jehovah is a God of Justice and that alone requires many laws that are laid out in the Bible…for earthly mankind and heavenly spirits.
Ezekiel is one scripture where it shows he has a legal system in situ above In The heavenly realm.
Ezekiel : 21:27.A ruin a ruin a ruin I will make it.and it will not belong to anyone until the one who has the —-Legal Right —-Comes and I will give it to him.
That legal right was established in the heavens ..you would know this
American Standard Version 
Isaiah 61:8. For I Jehovah love Justice I hate robbery with iniquity and I will give them their recompense in truth and I will make an everlasting covenant with them .
Psalms 37:28 Jehovah is a lover of justice
Job 38 :33 Do you know the laws governing the heavens, can you impose their authority on the earth
Psalm 33:5 he loves righteousness and justice .
1Peter 5:8 keep your senses be watchful as you ADVERSARY the devil walks around like a roaring lion ready to devour you.
Just this one scripture shows the fallen Angel has broken a law against his father Jehovah..as he became his adversary
Strongs Concordance 
476 antidikos ( an accuser, adversary brings formal charges ie they are binding to exact penalty . Satan acts as such an adversary —- bringing a law suit —-of darkness against believers for their eternal damnation .
At this very moment and since Adam and and Eve their has been a legal fight between Satan and Jehovah and the laws Satan has broken…it’s difficult for Jehovah because he cannot break his own righteous laws…..where as Satan can break every law or principle he was taught In  heaven .
Jehovah has his own council chambers Psalms 89.5-7.
the heavens praise your wonders LORD YOUR FAITHFULNESS TOO, In the ASSEMBLY of the holy ones. for who in the skies above compare with the Lord Who is like the Lord —-among the heavenly beings. —-in the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared.—-he is more awesome than those who —-surround —him.
Psalms 82:1 God has taken his place In ——-The divine council in the midsts of the gods he holds judgment.. —-
We can see from just these few scriptures that God has laws he abides by and he himself cannot break them…he holds court In his heavenly council and he rules over his —-spiritual beings in his divine council…—-Satan and his followers once gathered with him.
These angels obviously had laws they needed to abide by…it would be great to know what else what said there but he has given us a peak at what happens .and this is just one account…—-laws or legal ramifications would have been spoken—-of as well as many other aspects concerning the earth.
Jehovah has legal obligations….to his heavenly family and those who break his laws of Justice..and to his earthly family…who disobey him.
Even the stars must obey his heavenly laws….

They ….man and angels are under two different laws…man is under the laws of the earthly kind…their home is the earth.
Angels are under the spiritual  laws for spiritual beings..their home is the heavens.
1) satan and his minions have suffered….their dominance over the earth has been severely  curtailed..they can no longer roam the earth and feel the delights of man…not just with women…but not taste the delights of food and the breeze on their faces they do not have the blatant power of rulership over man and beast as they once had …they are not served by slaves anymore..they do not enjoy the slumber of a good sleep…and have their every need kept anymore..remember….they Were MIGHTY KINGS ruling over their own personal domains…..That is now gone ..and given to paltry man..of who they utterly despise.
2) They have endured the loss of their children..even tho many were grown men many would also have been young and children when the flood came..just because they are fallen angels does not mean they did not love their children dearly as anyone on earth does.
Can you imagine watching  you children being violently killed..not just by torrential brutal downpours of rain but the volcanic sub terrain that exploded with boiling  water from the earth…it would have been a long drawn out death for all of them….as they had extra strength to fight these things off…and they would have fought for their lives….Their parents watched this slow death and could not do anything about it..these of superhuman strength were shackled and must have screeched in anger and rage over such inabilities they now had….they also could no long pro create.having the ability to create is something highly desirable to them…they are very very jealous that mankind can keep doing this….angels have not got the power to create anything or anyone…one reason why they despise men..
3) When excluded from the heavens they were excluded from any spiritual  truths there after…hence spiritual darkness ..
The fallen angels are In The Throws  of death..as to what they are now compared to what they were when they first sinned….and they know it..but their deaths are on a spiritual  timeline fitting for spiritual beings…quiet different to mankind’s…..but mankind has hope to get up from his grave…but these angels will have no such hope…hence their punishment will in the end be much more server than man’s.

Yes but one aspect of the argument with this is that every man and his Dog on line and even in some congs claims to be saints or annoited…and many are blatantly not and I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them…

Your all over the place sereko…you really do need to have a sit down with structured bible discussion and it’s okay if you dont agree with everything.
Christ was sacrificed  for mankind alone….not for the angels..yes both species were perfect….but the angels had much more understanding and their rebellion was a deliberate one done  with much more knowledge than Adam and Eve ever had….they held court with Jehovah over probably  eons of time before mankind was created…they knew full well what they were doing.
Animals we’re not meant to eat each other at all by Gods law.
neither were men meant to eat each other by Gods law…..this is basic bible understanding…..so who is teaching you or are you just pulling everybody’s chain here….you must be a Russian spy I reckon!….
 
 

Take heart pudgy that our precious ones are not dead to Jehovah or Jesus….but alive….and I hope you meet yours under a rainbow 🌈 and that rainbows may still be In Existence In Jehovah’s judgement day….( I think ) 

I do not think it is loving to get the entire church/ congregation involved. This can cause sides.... a big boohaa.  It is not loving to expose any person in this way unless it becomes exceedingly serious.   Two or three is an exact number...  do only what the bible says..... and this 2 or 3 happens ONLY if u have tried numerous times to correct the matter.. between yourself and the offender. ..Those who know about the matter  are not supposed to talk to others as it can  become slander....... a serious offence. When it reaches the stage that ALL must know about a matter is when a matter is so serious that all should not eat or drink with such a person. 

He most likely is, granted this verse was used several times in regards to him. This verse is also why it is focused on when it comes to debating misinformation and falsehoods even against paradigms.
The verse that was used against @Srecko Sostar previously as of recent, even now concerning Mainstream ideas, as is his remark of Chloe whereas there was no evidence of Chloe somehow being the head or held leadership of the Church of Corinth. Such things of which can be seen deemed as errors or misinformed ideas, an Exegesis that is not Scripturally sound.

1 John 4:1 is a strong verse, even when use to test and challenge someone, namely who has a false and or lost spirit, as is in regards to those who claim to be of inspiration where the accusation of False Prophet can be cited if such a person is exposed. Apostle John conveyed here that one must test what is taught in Scripture, a ruling of which is good for Christians to adhere to if they understood what the verse means. To an extent, Bible alludes to this as well by means of references, hence 2 Cor. 13:10, 11, as is any verse pertaining to what it means to be Berean like, hence the reflecting words of Acts 17.

If someone's statement and or remarks comes into the realm of what is true and what is false, it is critical to discern what is being conveyed, so one does not accidentally accept something that isn't of core teachings or of God's Laws. Especially if what is being conveyed is not in harmony with God's Word, as is anything pertaining to it, historically even, when it comes to people, places and things, etc.

Therefore, when it comes to things said, be it claims, narratives and or allegations, it is to be called out, if there is something in regard to the Church and of God that is in err of which is not core, it will be called out, more so, it will also reveal the spirit of the very person who conveys such messages. Often times, such with a tainted spirit will commit to slander, insults and accusations upon those who revealed their taint.

Take heart pudgy that our precious ones are not dead to Jehovah or Jesus….but alive….and I hope you meet yours under a rainbow 🌈 and that rainbows may still be In Existence In Jehovah’s judgement day….( I think ) 

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Take heart pudgy that our precious ones are not dead to Jehovah or Jesus….but alive….and I hope you meet yours under a rainbow 🌈 and that rainbows may still be In Existence In Jehovah’s judgement day….( I think ) 

Dear Thinking, if this is the case with me then in my defense I can say that I am neither the first nor the last to whom this has happened. And, smarter heads than mine made far bigger misinterpretations. 

How would you describe a "dimension"  if the word does not yet exist?  We all know that even on earth the angels move in a dimension we cannot physically detect.  Beyond the physical universe there are more dimensions. In our physical universe we are bound by dimensions of  time and space.  Beyond this.... there is no time and space....