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Do ya want to have a Bible study then ….😉

Oh..okay..now I know why you take that scripture out of context….

Fatter heads are not necessarily smarter.

I wish I could triple upvote Arauna’s last comment!

Very true, unfortunately child services have also become predatory.... because the privatized institutions get funded by the government and are profit driven. (This is another very dark scenario). Calling Police (to the average person) is a frightning prospect because a bad policeman can be the beginning of a frightening nightmare. The FBI is tenfold worse.  Citizens do not know how to hold them legally to order if they break the law themselves. Race may also be an issue. A lot of what goes on is just raw display and use if power. 
We have human laws but they are not enforced in a loving way..... and are not fair to all.  Most JWs also do not know how to act when an elder has overstepped the mark. Bottom line: injustice can happen anywhere and all humans are vulnerable to mild or hardened predators and all degrees of injustice.  One is just fortunate if something really bad has not happened to you. 

Do ya want to have a Bible study then ….😉

Oh..okay..now I know why you take that scripture out of context….

Please define what the phrase "reading the Bible" means to you in the context of the name Srećko? In what way do I claim, “I read the Bible”?
I don’t read the Bible every day, or occasionally. When I refer to a biblical passage or report I do so from memory or go to a book or google to see where it is and what it says.
So your claim, that I claim to be reading the Bible, is not provable, it is just your opinion.  
 

Take heart pudgy that our precious ones are not dead to Jehovah or Jesus….but alive….and I hope you meet yours under a rainbow 🌈 and that rainbows may still be In Existence In Jehovah’s judgement day….( I think ) 

I add: There is a brazenness in women who want some form of control.  Of course elders can also overreact and see any form of " confidence" as a threat to their "authority".  The fact is that all of us are imperfect and can misinterpret what we perceive and subsequently "defend" our turf.......... actions which are totally unchristian and egotistic.

Religious topics should have a short opening, short ending, and have the two as close together as possible.
otherwise you get a minimum of 18 to 20 paragraphs of mindnumbing words, words, words, that you have heard 1 million times.

He's actually right, I just responded to him
The miraculous gifts of the holy spirit included were a temporary provision. The Bible foretold that, if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease.—1 Corinthians 13:8.
Not only does the Watchtower knows this, but people who understood Paul. If one understood how these gifts were passed around in the days of the early Christian congregation, it would make a lot more sense. I made a point to that, and I believe both @Space Merchant and @Arauna said the same thing. @Patiently waiting for Truth was more focused on the anointed Christians who had the holy spirit, but the fact apostle John was throw into the mix, it changes everything. Seeing that these gifts came to an end in the final years of the first century, it makes sense it did pass on with apostle John. The gifts were not passed on to anyone else afterwards, even John's students, and there is no history or evidence of others who had these gifts afterwards into the second century. There were people who did claim to have visions, but never had this gifts at all, or as to what @Space Merchant said, Prophets who are inspired and those who are not.
Whether Space Merchant, or his actual name, Baptiste, says something in a long post or a short post, if you actually read what he said, you'd understand, but from what I am seeing, if someone is actually educated and knows his craft, he a threat apparently. I guess discernment is actually a good thing. But he is clever in making his posts to root out something to challenge.

The bible shows that we must hope if they are not following Jehovah's standards but I do not trust them just because they are human.  When I was a widow I learnt the true nature pf people - the hard way.  I was an innocent and believed all people to be different levels of good.  I have learnt the hard way.  
Humans have perfection to the degree that they can perfectly accomplish the purpose and morals as instructed by Jehovah.  Without Him they are following their own ideas and can become fallible.  Only Jehovah has absolute perfection which is infallible. 

This is a fact - one cannot say they have NO spirit.  This belies all the promises from Jehovah. They do have our trust because they are honest and do their best for us.  The prophecy in Ezekiel we have just studied indicates that there will be an administration.  Why? because they give us food at the proper time so the whole brotherhood remain in unity. Without this organization everyone will be doing their own thing and teach different things.  We remain one because we are united.  If we understand something differently we wait until better light comes. We realize Jehovah has to work with flawed human beings...... not infallible.   So you seem to have a beef with us.....  but you have NO trust.
The prophecy in Isaiah 2: 2-4 indicates that in the last days Jehovah will have ONE people out of all the nations and law will go forth from Zion....   Surely this info needs to be redistributed?  So yes.... the organization is not your idea of perfection ...... but God never gave an indication that it would be perfect.  But they have been diligent to prepare us for Armageddon and displaying the qualities of god, which includes trust and love for god and for our brothers.

There were false Christians (weeds already amongst the Christians which would exploit this to their own benefit.  The Greek influence (gymnasiums in the decapolis  etc) was so prevalent as well. They stuck to the main tenants of the christian faith but it soon morphed into something more powerful.  Constantine the great saw the potential and exploited it.
 
If it proved to be true it is prophecy.  Today we just deal in direct prophecy received from Daniel, john and gospels - those which pertain to our day.  The other prophecies have mostly gone into fulfillment.  When we see it clearly manifesting so that there is NO doubt - then we can say it pertains to our day.

Regarding the situation with 1914, the Pastor of Bible Students never made claim to being a Prophet Inspired. So much so Reslight, who studied the Bible Students, being one himself, gave ample information on this matter, as did the people of CSE and to credit, even the successor of bible Students, the Jehovah's Witnesses. Moreover, you have those who dabble in history.
Therefore, it would have been a problem 100% if he did claim inspiration of that magnitude.
We know God talks to his people, even helps them, but the fact he offered specific gifts was for a reason. Your other assertion is irrelevant.
Everyone knows that, but he did more than the notion of Repentance. If you knew as to why he baptized people in the Jordan River, you'd realize the major reason behind it, it was not only concerning Repentance.
They did, which is known, but their gifts are no more, hence the history after 100AD.
 
That being said, now I know why the defense of the Mainstream belief other than the Unisex one. Because Pearl Doxsey herself claims to have miraculous gifts to produce Visions. For instance, the mention of being taken by angels on flight, Angelic Guides... So much so her Acolytes, even attested to this too, comparing her to legitimate Inspired Prophets example below:

And now the cracks of the armor, is seen. For Pearl, noted several times of having various visions, even so, attempted to share it with Jehovah's Witnesses.
If anything we see the fulfillment of many of the inspired visions of old, we do not produce them ourselves, nor God gives them today granted the purpose of such was already established.
 
As for you my dog loving friend, @Pudgy as you can see, the reason for the defense:

Claim of inspiration in this regard, to have such abilities, I do not think the latter or her friends can defend this. But granted this was found, of which was of her own design, now we understand the ideas of Pearl.
Constantine the Great, The Ghost of Fátima, Ozman etc. and now this.

This is what I said when it came to being spirit led.
Granted your faith community go house to house, the latter of which I speak is rare concerning your faith. If out and about in a debate situation you will see many.
It would not be a surprise if that was the case. Constantine was the primary one concerning Christianity. However, there had been others after that. Examples like people seeing a ghostly version of the Christ, or of Mary, some attest to seeing visions of an apparition emerging from an idol of Mary weeping, to others, something conjured up with a statue of Christ on a Cross. Outlandish things. The one I often see a lot is Fatima situation for people assume such an event to be a great one, not realizing this is something bad, possibly demonic, granted this is a call back as to why my Father did what he did.
Here is an example, possibly sometime before Bible Students - Agnes Ozman spoken of to have spoken in tongues, which was claimed.
Well of course, Srecko knew what he did try and fool people not realizing he fooled himself. Cedar is quite miniscule and irrelevant, just like David Wood. Other then that the Pastor is not favorable towards women and sees them for only one function, nor does he believe that they can be Ministers when the Bible has examples.

Then why make an assumption? Wouldn't it be best to know what Unitarian you are referring to?
that being said, having Biblical  knowledge enables me to not adhere to the Unisex idea of which you preach as a truth. It is not of the early church, nor is it from the Bible. Likewise with the miraculous gifts.
That being said, there is no way be it you, or myself can speak in tongues, left alone go raise someone back to life like those of old.
Preacher is a Biblical term, not a label. Do not confuse the notions. A Preacher is rooted from a Minister [diakonos (διάκονος)] as well as rooted from Herald [kérux (κῆρυξ)], which is linked with Minister, one of whom who a person proclaims the Message of God, speaks truth, etc. Most importantly, they speak the good news gospel of the Messianic Age of the things to come, they adhere to and respect the Great Commission. Aside from that a Preacher and or Minister teaches people about God from the Bible itself, in addition to maintaining a moral stance, and examples of which can be applied in today's age; give lessons to people so they can learn, apply, in turn teach to others, for not only this examples spreads, it also spreads applying God's qualities of which the Christ applied, likewise with the Fruit of the Spirit.
My own labeling? @Witness are you aware of what a Preacher is? Ironic, for this is common knowledge, perhaps the term Christian would be confusing if brought up also.
I call out falsehood and misinformation, this is something I am akin to doing all the time.
You need to see that the Unisex idea is NOT of the Bible or of God. The fact you are defending it speaks volume.
For someone who told me once you knew Strong's, I can't help but say this was quite the fail, on your part.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2783.htm https://biblehub.com/greek/1249.htm Anymore remarks, Witness?

She is a misguided Christian who is shown to lean towards Mainstream ideas without realizing it.
For this I can say everyone is correct concerning Pentecost 33AD, even the likes of @Patiently waiting for Truth granted these gifts essentially began by means of the spirit however, they somehow believe that after Apostle John that these miraculous gifts continued afterwards, like prophesying to predict or have visions.
I asked myself, many times, yet none of them can produce.

Witness believes that for which she cannot give a SINGLE EXAMPLE.
When specifically challenged to do so, she choked n’ folded, using MANY words to say NOTHING.
Not
One
Single
Example.
 

It is clear you do not understand the context of Paul's Words, granted of what was quoted to you before. Prophesying in regards to predict by means of visons had ceased. Along with tongues, the knowledge noted in the passage. This knowledge is by means of the holy spirit of which majority of Christian had in the 1st century, even around during and after Pentecost 33AD. It is in association with miraculous gifts, granted these gifts have ceased because they played a particular role in redemptive history in accrediting the ministry, during that time, it never continued afterwards. Sprit Led ones are capable of prophesying, but primarily of the gospel message, coming of the Messianic Age, etc. not of visions and or similar.
I don't mislead, so please spare yourself of accusations.
That being said, there is a reason as to why the 1st century is noted as the Apostolic Age (33AD - 100AD)
And? Paul and John were still alive during that time, the purpose the Apostle and those with such gifts were active until the the near of the 1st century. More so, they had partial knowledge. You are not understanding nothing of what Paul is saying.
Prophesying in terms of predict by means of visions and or similar miraculous gifts - Yes.
Hence the difference
An inspired prophet possesses the miraculous gift of prophesy, inspired and infallible utterance and predictions, as proof they are having the Holy Spirit. A normal, Spirit led Prophet who is clearly not inspired and not infallible have the gifts of the spirit regarding prophesying. It served it's purpose when the the Christian was starting up, and ended around the near end of the 1st century, around that same timeframe, Apostle John, the last Apostle, had passed.
He literally says it in the verse you quoted.
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
40AD-60AD was still the 1st century, so the miraculous gifts persisted still, but evidently, it came to an end. For in that time, not only the people were convinced by the words of the Apostles, but the gifts of what the spirit gave, to push people in the direction of the Christ.

For someone who claims to read the Bible, it is wild to see that it shows you do not understand a single thing Apostle Paul attests to concerning God's Order.
Then again, you were the same man who spoke ill of Abraham as is making a silly assertion of the Church of Corinth.
That being said, a man who does not do a single thing to build is faith is just worse off as those in the Mainstream.
The Bible clearly teaches that God is a God of order. For God is not a God of disorder (1 Corinthians 14:33). This verse is part of a rebuke of the Corinthian church of which Apostle Paul was addressing. 1 Corinthians is, in part, a letter outlining proper conduct in the worship of God concerning various things. Paul bases the command for order in the church itself on the fact that God Himself is a God of order, and he did this in a way to upbuild those of the church, men and women, Jews and Gentiles. As pointed out, as in regard to understanding Prophet Malachi, God does not change, but God is of complete order (Malachi 3:6).
Since God is a God of order, we as Christians, should be too. Since we are in the likeness of God, we are to think in his orderly ways and apply his Word, as is qualities. To be of reason. The more like him we become, the more orderly our lives will be because He is a God of order.
For Paul understands this, a Prophet Inspired, however you, as is @Witness are appealing to something entirely different here. This is where the both of you should be very careful, for if you do not read for context or know the inner workings of how the church adheres to God's Word and operate, it will only be a problem for you when it comes to those who do, as in, this case. Essentially a repeat of the last debate.
For no one, not even JWs would be this gullible to the Unisex Teaching.

Why do you keep using the medieval English? Is it because it fulfills an alternate purpose?  The saints are today called the anointed. 
It is almost as though you are promoting "apartheid" of the congregation and above them the "saints". ... 
The prophecies in Ezekiel clearly point to the unity of the entire congregation, the little flock and the great crowd. 
I am a woman, and I am pretty capable and not over- emotional as some women are.... but I prefer men to deal with problems in the congregation thank you.  
 

@Dmitar
Well not of the legal system, the solutions, even the ones based on biblical means. The problem is not everyone seems to follow or apply it, hence the influence gained in regard to CSA, which reaps reaction. But knowing the functions of a legal system also helps too, however, it is a double-edged sword.
True, however, I recall @Equivocation talking about CSA only for @Srecko Sostar to brush it off, as he did to me in the past. In @Equivocation's case, it was a school club of some sort that talked about such issues. I believe there was a survivor of domestic abuse on this forum too who spoke her case, but just like what Srecko did to Equivo, @Witness did the same to the person in question.
Even so when they have a platform of which they go to, they never address such things or be grounded.
As for the last remark, also true, people tend to not know how the law works, as for calling the police, among the solutions parents, guardians and or relatives can do this also, for CSA prevention is aware that some people do not want to get involved in such things and will encourage, not all of them, but some, mainly if they are not equipped to handle the situation. I told @Patiently waiting for Truth this many times, depending on whatever JW Elder, some are equipped, some or not. If he wants results, he can go to a Swahili JW Church. What CSA prevention provided, also ignored.
That being said, granted you have people, especially in the EXJW community, scrubbing vital information, it shows that the regard for CSA has shifted, for if a man tells vital info on the issue and the group goes out of their way to erase such information, then you see the big problem. And from there, not only misinformation is spread to cloud CSA issues, but CSA is often times weaponized, hence, something common in the US and UK to weaponize various things against someone or something. There was also a situation with one EXJW a Truther found, and this EXJW was shown to defend a female pedophile and child groomer who was in the gaming community, after being exposed, the person in question deactivated their social accounts and left reddit. An example that shows even among them, that is a problem.
For in the end no group is immune to CSA, even the paradigm, but one paradigm is already making it difficult as of 2022 whereas children risk is higher and frequent.

@Patiently waiting for Truth Granted you were in that thread as is what you said about CSA, what I said pertained to the events of the Warwick protest, of which @Equivocation's JW church was targeted.
So I will brief with this one as to why the CSA issue will continue to be a problem
It is evident it is more than dealing with CSA concerning such focus, it is about wanting to take down the faith community itself, all of the Watchtower in general. It was speculated that someone of the community wanted to get then President of the Unites States, Donald J. Trump, as is thinking to manipulate the First Amendment to deem JWs as a cult, and to use that as a justification to effectively end the faith.
Concerning what Peter did, the JW leaders were called to challenge in the park whereas threats of harm, even perhaps killing them was noted, so the disgruntled of this level are not afraid to get their hands dirty, and it would not be surprising if they entice, trick political protesters to whom JWs and their leaders were opposition that the need for violence is to be pushed on to them.
This is why what I said in the past is very clear.
  
You should know how crazy that is.
That being said, there are several ill minded crusades, concerning the JWs, this is one of many, some in particular I rather not speak of on this forum granted how sensitive it is, as is graphic.
It is better to rely on solutions then to be influenced by such things.