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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    @Witness This is what I was talking about concerning spoofing:
    The first image (image A) is from your link, if clicked in combination it intertwines with JW.org. The second image (image B) is the legitimate JW.org, for the image concerning Ukraine was there the other day and suddenly the link you provided already for spoofed images of a recently shown image. The third image (image C) is from your link that if you manage to find the re-directs, it mirrors exactly the same as JW.org, and there is a possible risk for anyone who clicks on a link or try to login. The 4th image (image D) is what JW.org was just a few days ago in which Image A was updated to match it soon after it was changed to Image B.
    Both JW.org and your link also has a workable logon page so you don't know which one is true or false if you don't pay attention.
    The Red Flag here is that once you go to the spoofed website, most, if not all re-directs to JW.org, which is a problem because if the website was to have archived all information collected by JWs and EXJWs, why is there a need to have a replicated site that re-directs on purpose?
    Image A
    Image B
     
    Image C
     
    Image D
     
    Here are other examples, Image A.1 is JW.org and Image B.1 is the spoofed website
    Image A.1
    Image B.1
    Identical if one isn't paying attention because they'll simply be confused, very confused and possibly think the website is hacked and or other serious scenarios. Image B.1 automatically re-directs to JW.org, in addition to that, the IP of JW.org is also semi-mirrored here, so in a sense, it does slowly lean into the copyright waters as @Dmitar mention. At the time time, it is woeful deception.
     
    Lastly, granted this website assumes JWs to be a Cult, thus whomever made the website adopted the Cult Ideology concerning Christians, some of the things used in the replicated spoof website, he/she mocked God (Jehovah/Yahweh) and mocked Jesus, not to mention shown a lowkey racist remark towards Chinese people. He/She continued to mock God directly concerning COVID-19, and made fun of God to assume as if he was part of a drug cartel/drug growing duo from a drama series, I doubt you or anyone elsewhere here assumes God, Jehovah/Yahweh to be part of a Drug Trade type of thing. Granted the history of this website, despite it's infancy, there has been some remark changes to further mock Jehovah's Witnesses, The Watchtower, as is to mock Christ, the son of God, and His Father, due to this, it can be deduced that this person isn't an EXJW, but an Anti-JW, who is not only disgruntled, but also has a level of hatred for God himself. Hence in Apostasy, the notion of one being alienated from God.
    The person in archived versions of this replica also mocked the Bible and the Holocaust... Considers Jesus a Fairytale, as is all written about him.
    More mockery in the last image 

    With the stuff I have seen, having to close my browser and open it constantly... I can't even said "That being said" for this response instead "What on God's Green Earth" is more appropriate here.
    But really, you should have known what you are linking, this is way examine, even research is key, you can't post things without knowing. In this case, it is more than simply spoofing, but rather influences of an Anti-JW, more so, someone who is in the camp of the Atheistism community similar to Jack on this forum but more severe, granted, the notions are met to hit beyond JWs themselves.
    It gets even more worse
    [Because we witness, or never shut up about Jehovah: Jehovah this, Jehovah that, Jehovah God, our God Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah; we are known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is a parody homepage but you can explore our real life cult website by clicking on any of the links you see here. Read our own cult Bible online. Learn more about how we break apart families by practising an extreme form of shunning]
    What I see that is ironic, he says that it is a parody website, but you cannot claim parody by spoof replication with assets, in most cases, that do not belong to you. Legal action can be taken should someone choose. He/She even go as far as to admit to the re-direct links which are potentially not safe.
    NOTE: Unlike trademark law, copyright law does not presume commercial use. Under copyright law, “not all parody is protected; instead, parody, 'like any other use, has to work its way through the relevant factors.
    None of them pertain to replication and spoofs.
    The latter also admitted to spoofing....

     
    This won't end well once people start to realize all of this...
    People will obviously be upset, you should be too. People who mock God directly, equating, in this regard, Jehovah your God, to Drug dealers in a Drug trade or jokingly calling him a Spaghetti Monster is indeed a problem. A serious one.
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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I say what I say because I had seen people get into some serious trouble with spoofing.
    And I reason concern for anyone to be cautious because of key logging may be a possibility.
    I don't think you'll get hit by the alphabet boys unless a victims of a spoof comes back here, and they won't go to you, they'll go to Admin.
    You linked it, but at least give a warning for anyone to be careful of the links that take you off the main page.
    You should say something to the effect, only focus on the main page and do not click on anything else, be it JW or EXJW, and knowing some JWs have logons, what would happened if you Trojan horsed them into getting not only their emails and passwords net-packed, but any personal information?
    From experience, when we took down a hacker website, we has a reason to. The website was shown to be an opposition website however, it tracked more than that. My contact was able to do more to shut down the website due to him being in Russia at the time of where the domain was being broadcasted. The Software in question cannot be stopped, but the usage of what it was used for in that website, was halted. Spoofing did more than trace people, some had nefarious intent, i.e. stalking/following women to their home.
    What you should do next time is carefully examine the website(s) before linking them. Like I said, in IT, some admins/net admins would see this as a land mine type situation.
    Be Careful.
    You can't see tracing and or key logs, you would not know if there was a problem or not. You can only find out if you have the tools and or if you really got hit with something.
    That being said, next time, just examine, and forewarn people before they click, although you do not like JWs, at least notify them, should they have a logon, to not click anything else after it redirects them to JW.org.
    Spoofing is highly dangerous and deceptive, and from experience, I have seen a lot of Hell for it.
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    Thinking reacted to Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Learn the law. What you are doing is "distributing" copyright material. (LINK) You don't need to be part of the website, just promoting it will get you into that consequence. 
    Just like everyone else will need to realize, we live in a different technological age where people need to be responsible for their own actions over the internet. This will get worse as time goes by. 
    This Scandinavian format is no different from that British apostate that was sued by the Watchtower, and the content taken down. They think because they live in a different country, the Watchtower doesn't have reach. It does under international law, combined with American law, gives the Watchtower global reach.
    You have been advised. 
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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    When it comes to things like this, spoofing in general, at times those who do not know these things are unaware. Granted she has not seen beyond the main page, just by discernment @Witness was actually unaware, especially when she didn't believe the broken links to be true, but now with this information now, she should be, for anyone, even her would not want to put their personal information at risk if there are threats due to the re-directs. So she will need to be careful next time. If she wanted to continue what she says about anything pertaining to the Watchtower, she should just stick with what she knows, for example, JWFacts.
    But yes, hypothetically speaking, if the situation turns out serious for anyone who falls victim, and they want to take action, real action, they'll start pointing figures at people and websites involved. So it can cause a list of problems. I mentioned Nintendo for a reason. For there was a parallel situation which landed someone a couple years of prison time, for although a Japanese Gaming Company, they're relentless when it comes to stamping out what they deem as a problem.
    But yes now people are aware, especially now due to cyber attacks taking place.
    I also mentioned Google, for this is akin to it - https://mashable.com/article/fake-google-domain
    Other than that, the remarks about God and Jesus on the spoof site is very sad, I am aware of parodies, but they are hiding behind that as an excuse.
     
     
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    Thinking reacted to TrueTomHarley in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I rest my case. What’s it to you what my faith is? With all the truly vile characters out there today, why target the religion whose members under no circumstances will take life? Why not go after one, you could almost pick at random, in which if you put members in just the right circumstances, they will take life? The energy your pour into your crazy mission is bizarre.
    to the same extent that a student puts his teacher on a pedestal, an athlete puts his coach on a pedestal, a soldier puts his general on a pedestal, a tourist puts his guide on a pedestal, a businessman puts his advisor on a pedestal. Such relationships are routine in life and are only depicted as “putting oneself under tyranny” when it is the religion you don’t like.
    This statement only reflects your jealousy that the Witness organization does not recognize your self-proclaimed ‘anointed’ status and does not afford you the platform you assume is your due. You are a crazy woman—I don’t back up on that for a second. Even Patiently Waiting for the Truth, who is sure a “True Anointed” will come along to save the day, knows enough that it is not you.
    I am livid that in your quest to undermine the Witness organization, you knowingly display a dishonest site stealing logo and artwork of someone much better, and you expose admin to risk in doing it. I accept that the risk to admin was done unknowingly. Still, I am grateful for the writing platform he has granted me. I get it that it’s not altruism nor is he especially religious. I get it that he takes advantage of the enormous traffic the JW stuff generates to boost his website’s stature and branch into other fields. I get it that he makes a modest sum off advertising. Doesn’t matter. These things have all worked to my advantage—it’s a symbiotic relationship we have, and so I am furious when someone is so reckless in their quest to destroy what’s noble as to potentially make him trouble.
    Same as what Space Merchant points out about atheism. As your rage inadvertently puts Admin in a bad way, so it also puts God in a bad way. Plenty of taunts toward God and Christ in what SM points to. Doesn’t bother you a bit to embrace atheists sneering at God if it furthers your anti-Witness quest.
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    Thinking got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    It’s because they are fueled by the demons …it’s not like being possessed as many think…but Just as Jehovah will put it in the minds of the the King of the North….the demons put things in peoples mind to act for them to come up against Jehovahs people….it’s a direct attack as they do not speak badly of any other religion who have the same faults…and these attacks are getting angrier and wilder as months go by on a number of web sites..and are taking down a number of our brothers and sisters….as time must be close….personally I think they are exposing themselves with their own tongues and many things are becoming unstuck with what they say…
    It is a warning to always harness whatever hurts we have extreme or light..only Jehovah can bring about Justice to those who have been wronged…he has their and our tears in his bottle and book…he sees all..and unlike others…he remembers.Ps 56:8
    It actually boils down to trust….we have to trust Jehovah that he knows what he is doing….but If one’s lack that.  Then they act in a presumptions manner and try to rectify or reform ….righteous resentment and anger does exist…but unless one prays to keep it at bay it will devour one,,,,and then the demons have a opening..as we see here…and it’s very sad because they pull people into their resentment and cause their spiritual  death thru lack of trust….and the cost is high .
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Making jokes regarding something in connection with the  Ukraine-Russia situation? Attribute common to some who are unaware.
    Your example doesn't really even equate to what you brought up this time. Nor does it have anything to do with suspicious granted the term Propaganda was used and MSM - read carefully.
    Not a good look. As stated before, I encourage you to do research further as is wait for further information instead of dwelling on speculation, you cannot just assume it came from one side or the other because BBC tagged a name on to it. Your link is only 2 days old...
    Example of image:

     
    I mean, after all, this was from you, of course...
    You are saying it's Ukrainian but your source seems to point out otherwise.
    Your comments - Mystery drone from Ukraine war crashes in Croatia.
    Like I said, don't put too much trust in the MSM, even if it is in your country.
    Just so you know unlike the Right, the Left Paradigm that is heavily leaning tends to add/remove things to events and or stories (like that of a literal Ghost shooting down Jets), even going as far as to be among the ones to promote war mongering and propagandize for it for Ukraine. As we speak they're continuing with information that is deemed questionable. Granted BBC News is Left-Wing, as mentioned, they'll do such things, for earlier on during the war, they used false videos and should something happen, they pin the latter to the event, hence Snake Island and now the situation with the Ukrainian Mayor. They're promoting Ukrainian s a victor but Russia abruptly takes ground. 
     
    This is one of several examples.
    I believe I stated people falling victim to Babylon and the Wild Beast, this is an example also granted of how useful of a tool the MSM can be for some, if one does not fully know the situation too well and simply accept what the MSM tells them.
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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You know that you mention it, America is suspect in a lot of things, even when it comes to killing their own to hide information.
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    Thinking reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    In the one scripture you quote: in it, it is clear that the Rider on the horse is Jesús who is fighting the kings of the earth.  The next scripture you quote is where is indicates that ultimately Jesus IS the ruler of the kings of the earth. Contradictory scriptures.  But a for a discerning mind it is not hard to understand.
    This is proof that you most probably are the most confused person on this forum.  You quote any scripture without discrimination of its true meaning.  Therefore it is not worth my answering you because I will just be barraged with scriptures which have the same  "search word" in it but with  different meaning in the context of the sentence.  It seems like you take a word - put it in google - and then just start quoting scripture.......   AND YOU are angry  because you feel you have the right .....  to be a teacher or a female leader of other persons in a spiritual sense?
    I will not answer the rhetorical question - I just question your judgement.
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    Thinking got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I honestly don’t think he is…no witness would talk as he has and does but he does have a lot of info and good at chronology….I think he’s a plant to cause divisions ..and he’s very good at it,
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    Thinking got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..
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    Thinking got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..
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    Thinking got a reaction from Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Thank you for this info…I didn’t know this.
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    Thinking got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Thank you for this info…I didn’t know this.
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    Thinking reacted to Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Since you posted @Witness, you are responsible for distribution of copyright. The day the Watchtower gets this illegal site promoting itself as JW.org the lawsuits will include you. I hope you understand!
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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    The website is simply a collection of things from other domains and archived domains, etc. So any documentation, templates, and or the like that was gathered over the years, was simply moved here. Example would be the heavily refuted Henrietta Riley Trust documentation.
    Half of the site is dead (Filler/Broken Links), which means the Age of the Domain is in it's infancy stage, it is 10 months old, a day shy of 25 days birth place San Francisco. Only the main page has items, most of which is simply stuff rehashed and gathered to put here (half of the things mentioned on this forum can be searched out here), meaning, one or a few domains have been labeled deceased, terminated, so to speak, which is a common thing.
    There are links that goes straight to JW.org, which can be a potential land mine situation which can take effect for anyone who visits outside of specific spots of the website, so an example would be should a JW with a logon click on a link, goes to JW.org and login, they can potentially get hacked. A bit risky with the infancy Domain Age. So you could (if you want to) advise the people to close out their browser completely afterwards just to be safe. Just because it's a 443 and not an 80, does not mean there are risks.
    Speaking about spoofing, it is made to look like a replica of the site used by JWs, which is a red flag. As to why a replica is used, possibly to draw attention; from the Watchtower itself outside of confusing people, to to get any EXJW who left the pack to return, etc.
    Granted most of the stuff is archived, old stuff, it would have made sense to simply just make a stand-a-lone domain. Kind of a clue there hence broken links.
    Website spoofing -  is the creation of a replica of a trusted site with the intention of misleading visitors to a phishing site. Legitimate logos, fonts, colors and functionality are used to make the spoofed site look realistic.
    That being said be careful of what you click on. Also whomever started the site must be really obsessed with the Cult ideology and pinning it on an organized Restorationist. This also reminds me of the website from Russia used to ID/track people almost which my contact aided in shutting down.
    In short - This is simply another domain with things transferred over, hence Domain Age.
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    Thinking reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    That is exactly what Revelation 19 says - 
     
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    Thinking reacted to Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    That's always the case. One side note. As I mentioned, if you weren't around that time and weren't aware of some circumstances, there were also imposters promoting and feeding such nonsense to the brotherhood. I believe the word gullible can rightfully be used in this instance. 
    If you do some additional research, you will find how a little church in New York started a "rumor" about the company logo of Procter and Gamble in the 80s. They linked that logo to devil worship. Soon after, some pretenders started floating the idea, it was coming from the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses. That link started affecting the brotherhood. In some cases, JWs had stopped buying products from that company. That rumor spread until the Watchtower put a stop to that also.
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    Thinking reacted to Equivocation in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Oh boy. 1975 Again? 😕

    All I would say about this is that there are some who did assume something entirely different about 1975, and the whole world ending thing for 1975 was drummed up through some people hearing differently. This is why even today, people are getting quite annoyed with the 1975 thing spoken by only one side who says they were right, effectively trying to defame JWs at the time. Technically, when it comes to these things some people (as seen here) bring up the topic of 1975 for one sole reason: to brand Jehovah's Witnesses as 'False Prophets' by their own definition, ignoring what is meant by the word 'prophet' and what was intended by WBTS publications, even during those days.
    I can also say that the 1975 ordeal did not occur until the book, titled "Life everlasting in the Freedom of The Sons of God" was released; published in 1966.
    I realize whenever the discussion of 1975 does come up, many things are taking out of context (even snippets), numerous times to make it seem that Jehovah's Witnesses at the time assume Armageddon would come in the year 1975, which is untrue because like I said, things taken out of context.
    For example, often, if not most times, the quotes are never addressed by the one side party.
    What I have listed here are several examples, but there are more, often times ignored, but they all speak in the same effect.
    Now there were numerous people around that time, and there were arguments around that time and the people who knew about 1975 often times won out.
     
    Further information I found, thanks to Quora:
     
    But real talk though, I don't see why people try to spin it differently to make it seem that the wrong claim for 1975 to be true.
    There are many people who are still alive who were around that day, in their experience who never assume what is being suggested here. And because of the wrong information being used to point fingers, it shows not only some here rely on a False Witness, but they are not being truthful in their hearts.
    You can't really say you follow the Christ if you're one sided on something, namely shown to be associated with rumors and or speculation. To those people, you kinda know who you are.
    Seeing the discussion on where it started, I already know the party who won that debate; and by winning is the fact that the other party cannot really bring up anything claiming Armageddon was said or written to come in 1975...
    Jesus wants us to be truthful, one can't be if they're leaning on being misinformed heavily with a heart tainted by hate.
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    Thinking reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I honestly think I’ll have to block him, my first block ever (despite some very disagreeable people on the forum). My spirit can no longer stand the wear and tear.
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    Thinking reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    To argue about insignificant things wastes time. So I have not followed all the comments here about 1975. All I know is, I was baptised in 1973.  I studied with a very zealous sister who reasoned with me on the 6 creative days. She said that if the 7th creative day was 6000 years with a millenium rest, it amounts to 7000 years. This would mean that a week of equal days would amount to 49,000 years and after that the eternal Jubilee........ which mirrors the Mosaic Law. 
    She said there were a few problems, we are not absolutely sure of all dates....  and we do not know how long Adam took to give the animals their names.  I do not remember the rest. But more or less the 6000 years should more or less end in 1975....... So yes there was a lot of speculation...amongst all the fraternity. .......But u know how some people are: imperfection makes them go overboard; they become dogmatic or make rules out of nothing. 
    Jehovah has to work with very imperfect people....and a good sounding  idea (even if not practical) can proliferate.
    SO, IF JEHOVAH IS PREPARED TO WORK WITH IMPERFECT people,        WHY are our detractors  so dogmatic about this event in our past, when they themselves are extremely dogmatic about their OWN rules to JUDGE and reject ALL good things for the sake of 1975...... forgetting that they are imperfect themselves. They are stumbling over a stone of their own making.
    I did not hear elders on stage talk about it but it was discussed a lot in private. 
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    Thinking reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I do believe this. That’s why I will take it seriously should SM ever check me on some point I have made, rather than blow it off as fault-seeking drivel, the way I realistically must do with so many here.
    I won’t go quite so far as to say it would be a Psalm 141: 5 moment…
    “Should the righteous one … reprove me, it would be like oil on my head, Which my head would never refuse,”
    but close.
    If you hate the good news, you will do everything in your power to find fault with the imperfect vessels that carry it. It is no more complicated than that. SM is on to these malcontents.
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    Thinking got a reaction from Dmitar in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    I am glad they have helped you Mathew 
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    Thinking got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I honestly don’t think he is…no witness would talk as he has and does but he does have a lot of info and good at chronology….I think he’s a plant to cause divisions ..and he’s very good at it,
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    Thinking reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is understandable that people can make mistake, but there are those out there that willfully make the mistake of professing a narrative to be true when it is false.
    The tragedy of it all, those who walk that path with such a mindset are often the biggest targets to Babylon. As we can see, some show themselves to be examples, and never change, thus engineering their own destruction when Babylon sweeps over the West and the East to her choosing.
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