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@Srecko Sostar @Dmitar Unfortunately, no one here is of the political paradigm (Left or Right let alone adopt the influence), nor show the taking of any sides. For if one is indeed political, they hold up to a view in association with the affairs', ideas of a party/group. Likewise with previous threads.
That being said, people can be concern of a potential danger in their backyard, granted such persons vs those now locked under Marshal Law have no say to speak their peace, etc. It should be noted with this law in place those who didn't get to escape, have the option to fight or be jailed (some gave the idea that such ones may have been killed, but reports are murky). There was mentions of escapees being shot at, not wanting any involvement with the situation, but this too needs to be verified.
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Well the Wild Beast is at it again, a parallel move made with Libya is happening now.

Yes I wonder these things too…but Aruana explains it so well too..

I always hear out veterans. I will seek out their stories whenever I see a ‘Veteran’ designation on door or car. They have no stories to tell and, for the most part, no one wants to hear them. So I do. I often start by observing ‘how can you not admire someone willing to put his life on the line for what he believes?’ 
I just hear them out, regardless of which way it goes. Sometimes, though I do not insist upon it, I get to throw in the observation that while his/her bravery and conviction is admirable, were he living anywhere else in the world, that bravery and conviction would be directed to another entity, and isn’t that a strange way to run a world?

No - not true.  If you read our publications it was Germany before Russia.  Germany stopped the preaching work and put Jehovah's people in prison.  
There is a separate prophecy which deals with the incarceration of the GB in prison- which happened in the realm of the King of the South.

The first revolution was a color revolution (orange revolution) - CIA has orchestrated many of these across the world.  They also changed the regime again at the last election with puppets in power.  The extreme corruption came when George Soros opened his NGO to "fight" corruption. The shenanigans of president Biden and his son in Ukraine is absolutely shocking but this was covered up.  What I learn from this is that ALL human government is absolutely corrupt and will stoop at nothing that is in their way. Human laws are made to be broken when the top echelons of society are forcing their will on the people. Honest men are fired and people are secretly killed or suicided.  Ukraine has been stolen of all their riches. 
Putin is justifying this war - and while he has more than enough evidence and good reason to distrust the West - we know he represents the king of the North and will get a message from the remote north and east (Jehovah and Jesus) and go out to annihilate... (most probably together with his allies).....before he comes to his demise.... but this will happen at jehovah's time when the West and King of North have both reached the point where Jehovah decides - now is the time.
It has been 70 years now that the UN has been identified as the image of the beast.  With perestroika the west was fooled just as they have been with China's sudden capitalism....... but it is 'stakeholder capitalism".....and China and USA elites have their money interwoven in the west..... even Putin has money hidden in the west. 
Does anyone here need any more confirmation that we are at the end of the end times?  It may still be a year or three - in which very much can happen.  All I do know is that they are planning digital identity documents for all nations in the west and have been forcefully jabbing people in the poorest regions of the world such as a province in India.  They want to keep track of all the billions in Africa and India so they can control the environment and who may eat what . 

Yes I wonder these things too…but Aruana explains it so well too..

Yes, yes. But...
Why do we have to limit ourselves only to past events? WWI and WWII events
Are we sure that the situation is not going to change? I mean, that the USA will remain relatively moderate and tolerant until the end, that it will always respect us
Are we sure that the horn persecution of Daniel 7 (and 😎 has already happened? And that of Revelation 11, 12 and 13, has it already happened? Sure?
Well, it could be, but it doesn't add up to me.

Haha...nice one!

Case in point:
It's not just NATO pushing westward, which was a "line in the sand" that Putin has consistently held against. More directly, it's the Minsk accord(s), as agreed to by Ukraine, Russia, France, US, etc.
In them, the Luhansk and Donetsk regions would be considered part of Ukraine, but would be treated as autonomous regions with their own presidents and autonomous ability to negotiate trade, etc. But right after agreeing to this, the Ukrainian military (using the plausible deniability of its rogue Nazi forces) began bombing Luhanks and Donetsk, including schools, hospitals, bridges, etc. There was no real attempt to control these "rogue" elements. After all, they are represented in parliament and other parts of the Zelensky government. Remember that many Russians are living in these regions, and it was mostly because of the antagonism against Russians that Ukraine was bombing their own regions. This bombing escalated greatly in the days just before Russia responded.
In fact this is what's behind a curious bit of misinformation that immediately went viral, even though it really showed the opposite of what it was intended to show:
Note the claim on this Twitter video:
Although it's heartwrenching, it's a lie. It was actually posted by the mayor of Gorlovka Prikhodko on February 21, well before the invasion. But during one of the horrendous attacks while Ukraine was shelling the Donbas region. It was showing the evacuation of kids from Donbas as Ukrainian troops attacked. If you read Russian (I don't) you can actually tell that this is not Ukraine even from the Russian words on the bus that Ukraine would consider illegal. 
And the journalist who began posting this video under a new, false context and promote it to the tune of tens of thousands of likes? It was one of the same Syrian "white helmet" journalist who got so much Western traction by producing fake videos of supposed poisonous gas attacks to fuel Assad hatred around the world. (Not for nothing, the USA actually still occupies a huge portion of Syria due to the civil war, directly stealing oil from large sections of Syria since that time several years ago, and continues to steal the oil from Syria even today.)

True, he only intervened in human affairs when his future purpose was in jeopardy such as when he warned Joseph that Jesus' life was in peril.  Jehovah does not as a rule take control of human affairs but does work towards his goal when he has prophesied events such as the prophecy concerning Cyrus.  Cyrus was anointed by Jehovah for a certain job...... to send Israel back and build the temple.  Jehovah gave him special capabilities in order for him to unite all the tribes of the Persian empire almost overnight.  There was NO empire and them there was one.
 
 It is in prophecy that the king of the North as this time (Germany) would act against the nation of God and also that he would not prevail.... But it is also prophesied that the League of nations (which went into the abyss at start of WW2), would again re-appear and get life blown into it from the Anglo-American world power as the UN (image of the beast). Rev 13:15.   
Consequently,  Jehovah does not step into human affairs to help us because humans (Adam) chose independence from God and self-rule without his "good and bad".  God has allowed humans to rule the earth without Him to prove that humans cannot rule the earth successfully when they do not follow his moral guidance.  If God acts like a fairy godmother and fixes all problems as the occur,  then he will be helping the renegade governments and in the process destroy his own case that humans cannot rule successfully without Him.

That's right. So it's in what context these discussions take place that matters. I need to explain that to Dmitar as well obviously.

We are not voting for anyone and we are not choosing a human leader. We are just having a discussion. Just yesterday in field service the group was having a similar discussion. Of course we know ultimately Jehovah will set matters straight. It's such a no brainer. We are not taking sides with politicians by discussing what's happening in the world right now. Don't let your misguided thoughts mislead you. 

Jehovah is the judge of us all - Titus 1:15
15  All things are clean to clean people; but to those who are defiled and faithless, nothing is clean, for both their minds and their consciences are defiled.
There were many wars in the past, as you mentioned, but this one at present involves one of the players mentioned in the Bible.......... I compare it to the Christians who fled to the mountains in 70CE.  While there, they kept alert to the news when Rome would come back ...... not just out of curiosity but because they firmly believed in the prophecy given by Jesus.
So, I do not neglect prophecy but keep looking to understand.
 

I have often wondered this as Anglo American powers have flooded other lands and gain their riches and ruled their governments with cunning..read confessions of a economic hit man ….what lands have Russia flooded over…?..or perhaps they are about to?…so many questions ???
But then the Anglo American powers have not really hurt Jehovah’s people to badly…so that doesn’t fit ?

it means you had a very emotional dream that caused you to remember some very brave acts of men who died for what they believed in.
The colour thing happens with lots of people now and then or even only once in their life time..some people dream in colour all the time…it doesn’t make them inspired.
I too have admired many different soldiers for their bravery and their deaths…I have cried because of their heroic acts..no matter what nation they were from …I am in awe when I hear about the men who defended Darwin when the Japanese constantly attacked and Churchill refused to send a defence..and considered Darwin and Australia expendable…theses men fought with bare chests due to the heat…they fought knowing they were alone and abandoned..they did not expect a victory…I admire them…and I thank them..and I cry when I hear them talk of it….I sat with a highly decorated Vietnamese vet on The edge of his bed with my arm around his shoulders as he wept and told me of his missions in Nam….I quietly sang to him a verse of a song which I know they all sang over there…” We gotta get out of this place if it’s the last thing we ever do “…he looked at me with his tired worn out face and said…how did you know that….he has died now.
None of that makes me political..what you feel does not make you political.
It makes you humane and an admirer of bravery in the face of diversity and death….and you weep with them at their pain and loss…you admire their sheer bravery and sacrifice……sorry Pudgy nor does it make you inspired …but hang in There.

What about when Gabriel fought with the prince of Persia ( demon Angel) for sometime and he had to call on Michael the archangel to help him so he could get the messages to Daniel…does that count.?…or when Joshua came upon Michael the Commander of Jehovahs army and got given advice….would that count???.I dont know I’m just asking?
 

Well it depends on how I’m to die…put me up against a brick wall and firing squad..yeah..I could handle that..even a gullatine is doeable….but being skinned alive…..well…yeah I’m going to run…!!!

it means you had a very emotional dream that caused you to remember some very brave acts of men who died for what they believed in.
The colour thing happens with lots of people now and then or even only once in their life time..some people dream in colour all the time…it doesn’t make them inspired.
I too have admired many different soldiers for their bravery and their deaths…I have cried because of their heroic acts..no matter what nation they were from …I am in awe when I hear about the men who defended Darwin when the Japanese constantly attacked and Churchill refused to send a defence..and considered Darwin and Australia expendable…theses men fought with bare chests due to the heat…they fought knowing they were alone and abandoned..they did not expect a victory…I admire them…and I thank them..and I cry when I hear them talk of it….I sat with a highly decorated Vietnamese vet on The edge of his bed with my arm around his shoulders as he wept and told me of his missions in Nam….I quietly sang to him a verse of a song which I know they all sang over there…” We gotta get out of this place if it’s the last thing we ever do “…he looked at me with his tired worn out face and said…how did you know that….he has died now.
None of that makes me political..what you feel does not make you political.
It makes you humane and an admirer of bravery in the face of diversity and death….and you weep with them at their pain and loss…you admire their sheer bravery and sacrifice……sorry Pudgy nor does it make you inspired …but hang in There.

I have often wondered this as Anglo American powers have flooded other lands and gain their riches and ruled their governments with cunning..read confessions of a economic hit man ….what lands have Russia flooded over…?..or perhaps they are about to?…so many questions ???
But then the Anglo American powers have not really hurt Jehovah’s people to badly…so that doesn’t fit ?

I agree with you totally - but an opinion does not necessarily express sympathy for one side or the other side.  Most of it is just to find clarity about the background of what is going on.  We are still in this world and cannot go out of it.
I am not prepared to watch movies all day (my eyes are too bad) or do internet field service for 14 hours solid....  I do not have that number of contacts.  So please tell me what I can do with my time?
I am a pensioner and apart from a walk on the beach, some cleaning and preparation of food and bible reading ..... I need to do some things.  I used to sing opera and make dresses and knit..... but now my eyes have become too bad and the voice a little rusty.... so I like to watch how Jehovah's prophecies are going into fulfillment.
... I do not suggest that you take ANY sides in this conflict.... that is showing favor to one of the sides of the Beast. 
As the GB have shown - we must not take our eyes of the promises of Jehovah and try to develop the qualities of Jesus - keep our eyes focused on Him. But it is natural to want to understand what is going on around you. 

Well it depends on how I’m to die…put me up against a brick wall and firing squad..yeah..I could handle that..even a gullatine is doeable….but being skinned alive…..well…yeah I’m going to run…!!!

Well it depends on how I’m to die…put me up against a brick wall and firing squad..yeah..I could handle that..even a gullatine is doeable….but being skinned alive…..well…yeah I’m going to run…!!!

"In the early morning hours of February 24, 2022, Russia began a military invasion of Ukraine, despite the efforts of world leaders to avoid war."
That statement from the website is bland enough, as you say. Of course, that particular quote from the website could just as easily have been worded to the effect of:
After world leaders had spent 8 years pushing war in Ukraine and avoiding offers from Russia for negotiations to avoid war --and while those same world leaders pumped in BILLIONS of dollars of military weapons so that Ukraine could continue to bomb citizens in its own Russian-speaking regions-- Russia finally takes military action itself and invades Ukraine.
My concern goes a bit farther here. I understand why there is a need at Bethel to continue trying to identify and settle on a current candidate for the King of the North and the King of the South, but it strikes me as very arbitrary and shows a real lack of neutrality to make such statements as this in the article:
"Watch the video Fulfilled Prophecy—Daniel Chapter 11 to learn why Russia and its allies can be identified as the king of the north."

No - in your home you may try to talk to a perpetrator and get out of a bad situation (I have done it while in field service).  But taking a gun with intention to use it (because it can be fatal), is NOT following the loving teachings of Christ.  On the other hand - to join a national / political army - which has the function of killing at the command of another person who is following government orders (without personal discrimination) is taking sides with the beast.