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THE SATANIC BIBLE & BIRTHDAYS, THE IDOLATRY OF SELF ESTEEM THE HIGHEST OF SATAN'S HOLY DAYS/HOLIDAYS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 21, 2017   Posted by: Still Waters Revival Books | more.. 71,520+ views | 65,470+ clicks SWRB does not necessarily endorse anything outside or beyond the testimony against the pagan practice of birthday keeping in, or from, any of the information or sources quoted in this blog.

The man of lawlessness put himself in the temple of God..he places himself in a place he has no authority to be….he over takes Gods temple and sits as a ruler .he invades that temple…and throne….just as he did in Eden….for now he is prince of the air…and ruler of the world…...and claims to be God…it is Christendom and all other false faiths rolled into one…..of which he and his demon gods own and run……like it or not…the great lie Jehovah aAllowed  to go forth was that Jesus and God are one and the same…and yes…everyone got to believe it….this 1914 is piffle compared to the lie  of Jesus….its nothing…it’s a drip….and probably if proved wrong allowed by Jehovah…..
think about it….an Angel tho high ranking…yet still without immortality faced death mocking and torture for us  ….we minimize his pain and sacrifice by saying he had the strength of God because he was God….yet he was not much higher than mere man…we take away his honour and respect by that and that is exactly what satan wants..he nullified Jesus fear of failure and risk of death,,…and thus his victory of him (Satan) 
Jehovah allowed this lie..or,powerful delusion to go ahead ….. to go forth until they believed it as a testing to see who really appreciated the truth .(.the man of lawlessness did this ..Satan and his earthly organizations )who would recognize that Jesus was indeed Gods First born son and sacrificed himself for us …can you imagine the faith he had to have in his father….to willingly be dead for parts of three days….total faith he would be resurrected!!!!!!
Do you honestly think Satan wanted you to believe he did this…because it would prove that he himself…satan…..the devil..could have stayed faithful as well….but he cannot have that so he…the man of lawlessness….led this  delusion with Jehovah’s blessing or permission…it’s a testing and sifting of his true people 
Do you understand the depth displayed for our benefit of Jehovah’s love for mankind to do this ……or do you believe the lie it wasn’t so hard because God the Almighty who had immortality would never be in fear of dying….but Jesus put himself in a vulnerable dangerous position….not to exist for the best part of three days with no influence of his life or mankind.
Jeus had to exercise faith in his father…and his father had to have faith in him to succeed…..Satan does not want you to understand this.
so he has used misguided men to dress up a actual lie about him and cast doubts elsewhere…. 1914 as the great lie….pffff…it’s a distortion of Jehovah’s and Jesus huge massive sacrifice….and their VICTORY…
NOW HES AT IT AGAIN SAYING 1914 is the big lie….it isn’t ……the error that went forth to deceive so many has already happened ….it’s past..and we are further along than many realize….
Those scriptures you put up..can be read either way….but you and ewatchman  are promoting a lie.
personally I don’t care for dates ….so it doesn’t effect me…but many brothers and sisters are being stumbled by satans cunning wiles…..
When this come to its climax….Jehovah will,laugh aloud as he did with Sennacherib and say…….YOU FOOL DID YOU NOT KNOW I HAD THIS ALL PLANNED  RIGHT from THE START ( message Bible.
By the way there have always been ones who warned of the end well before it was to come… Many hundreds of years ago…..we are not the only guilty ones of it….
 
 

There is NO proper way of celebrating the birthday of Jesus.  Christians were only instructed to commemorate his death NOT his birth.  This is why there is NO accurate date for the birth of Christ in the Bible.
If you know the history of how this was instituted you would know that it is a no-no to Christians - no matter how much one tries to justify it.

Think again - there are new books out by hebrew scholars that show that we had the pronunciation right all the time!  
Jeho-ram - jeho-safat - all have Jehovah's name.
It is a rare name - Moses could not have thought this one up.  It comes from a rare hollow root.  
" Yehovah comes from the same root as Ehyeh: the hollow root HYH. Yehovah is actually a combination of three verbforms:
Hayah "he was", Hoveh "he is", and Yih'yeh "he is now and will continue to be in the future". Together Hayah,
Hoveh, and Yih'yeh combine into the name Yehovah.
 

They’ve used a phrase or two in common, that’s all. 
It would be a remarkable change of m.o. if he was BroRando. Changes from CC to BtK to Allen to whoever—the “new” persona is instantly recognizable. BroRando is significantly different.
For one thing, CC was seldom very interested in offering anything. He just was here to shoot people and their ideas down. Say what you will about BroRando, he certainly is interested in offering stuff.

I liked many thoughts you wrote above.  We are human and imperfect, so we will always make mistakes.  If we are afraid to move on and try new things or say new things to inspire others we may be be too paralyzed to do anything positive.  Busy people make many mistakes. Lazy people make few mistakes.  We can learn from the past and move on - grow as humans.  We may even make a similar mistake again but from a different perspective..... life is complicated.
I think of Paul - who really cringed at his past and he was open about it,  to be a teaching moment. Our organization made mistakes in the past. However, to dwell on the past mistakes could give one a paralytic state in the present - too afraid to say or do new things. The present defines the present and future - as you said. Oh Jehovah, if you only looked at mistakes - where would any one of us be! 
As we all serve Jehovah - we must give our best no matter ow flawed it is. I go on field service and speak my mind (carefully) but I am open about who I am, what I believe and what I am.  This gives me the freedom to really talk convincingly and be sincere.  Do I make mistakes - for sure!  But a friendly, kind spirit overcomes many obstacles. I also am super aware of the audience reactions - so I can adapt.  
With mistakes and all - I guard the truth and spread the truth.  I am sure this was the main goal of the slave.  With warts and all - I love what they do for us!

I think all you guys on here who live in the past - without context-  have something missing from your thinking processes - to state it bluntly.  History mongers - looking through past actions and words with a fine tooth and judging it by today's standards. To look to the past without a historical context.  I did many things in the past which embarrasses me thinking of it today because it was done in a different time frame when values and many more things were different etc.
I look at Rutherford and realize he understood that the last world government will be fascistic.  I see he made the right conclusion but for the wrong time period.  I can learn something from that.  Do you learn something from the past or are you just embarrassed?  
 

Fair enough …

Fair enough …

This is called a signature. I don’t manually type it out each time, you know. It is time for an update. Thanks for reminding me. I don’t recall what is the free preview on TTvtA, but the entire ebook work of Don’t Know Why is free.
Despite the 200 glitches, and I suspect once I release it I could fine-tune for 200 more (but I won’t), I am very very pleased with it—a vast improvement over that turkey Dear Mr. Putin, which I am embarrassed ever to have unleashed. The new book has four sections: 1) Assault—the ban and its immediate repercussions, 2) Apologia—reasons for the ban are nowhere explicitly stated by Russian, authorities, so I have stated some, as well as how they might be defended, 3) Testimony—the best defense is an offense, someone said, and so these are chapters in which I witness, and 4) Endurance—aftermath of the ban, which took a darker turn than anyone would have predicted, but also put Jehovah’s name and kingdom into the international spotlight. 
Nor are parts 2 and 3 divorced from Russian context. They are both illustrated by Russian examples, making the book a cohesive whole. It has garnered a review already (the more the better, any author says). It is not unmitigated praise, but it is fair. I like it. Straight “5” reviews only indicate you have a lot of friends, anyway. I like honest criticism—in this case it is primarily concerned with reliance on AI for translation, and certain clunky writing that maybe the 200 corrections will alleviate . Although the seemingly clunky AI translating of Bro Sivulsky is actually his own remarks word for word, he speaking English as a second language. So it’s good. Remember, I said in my introduction, I am an American who still thinks Ilya Kuriaken of the Man from UNCLE was a pretty good Russian super spy, even though I recall Pravda or someone saying that he was not and how could those ridiculous Americans think so.
sigh….Nor would any other books be written about the Bible by anyone, nor would anyone else ever comment on it, nor would anyone ever teach it, or expound upon it, or interpret it. Anything other than a direct quote would be taboo.

This reminds me of a scene from Tom Irregardless and Me in which I bring my Bible Student Ted Putsch along on my return visit with Bernard Strawman and the two can’t stand one another. “It couldn’t be simpler!” Ted all but shouts at the pompous fellow, “or is that what is the problem with you?!”
This is not to say that JWI is like Bernard, only that there is almost hostility from Ted, who is ‘zealous for God.’ (I suspect Bro Rando is something like Ted.)  I’ll come to JWI’s defense, even as I say I think he’s off-base and if he should get into hot water over it, I will say ‘it’s on him.’ I’ll do it because I like both you guys, Thinking and him
As best as I can tell, he’s indulging a hobby, the same as everyone else here is. It’s a pastime, same as it is for others. I suppose answering him with rancor is also a pastime, if you get worked up over what he says. You should do it. Why not? It’s not as though I am exactly nice to certain other ones on this forum.
He doesn’t bring it into the Kingdom Hall. He also has no problem with the notion of humans taking the lead. As far as I can see, he teaches what Witnesses teach, with the caveat now and then of saying that ‘this is our present understanding,’ instead of ‘this is the way it is!!’ I don’t have a problem with him. He’s on a tiny internet backwater forum regularly followed by (as he said, and from all appearances it seems to be so) 6 six heroes and 6 villains. Perhaps there are that many again who follow along, but beyond that, I doubt there is any audience beyond the fluke visitor now and then. Of course, once you put something on the internet, ‘it stays there forever!!!’ but it is also immediately buried, and not so easily found even by one searching for it. Not a problem for me. It is when he publishes a book of separatism like Rulf that I’ll leave him to twist in the wind.
He’s indulging a pastime, laying his opinions out with as much support as he can muster, maybe even imagining someone in high places will pick up and mull over it. Everyone here is indulging a pastime. No one, even of the good guys, is a stereotypical Witness. One thing he doesn’t do is link to his own website, as several here do, including myself. Some are going into overdrive on it, Bro Rando and the woman from the hills, I think. PSomH thinks I am here to promote my books. Of course I am in part, but if I really was, believe me, it would be much more in-your-face than the occasional references that I make. 
As an example, here I have received my author’s copy of I Don’t Know Why We Persecute Jehovah’s Witnesses: Searching for the Why. Even after numerous proofs, some by self and some by others, when I see it in print, I immediately make about 200 corrections! Whoa! do I appreciate the advantage of a publisher who edits! None of the corrections are major at this point, nor even typos per say, but small glitches that make for reading not so smooth as could be. Once I upload the amended version, finally finally finally a print book is good to go on Amazon. And then I’ll even abuse my stay more here, for this one will have a modest price of $15, though the ebook on most venues will continue to be free. After that I get Tom Irregardless, also TrueTom vs the Apostates into print, also after similar revisions, no doubt.
So if JWI bends the forum to his own purposes, so do I. So do many here. I’m not sure what else IS the purpose of this forum other than that, for in ideal theocracy all the loyal ones will stick with jw.org and all the soreheads will mutter because they cannot picket online conventions. 
So it’s okay to slap him down. Seriously, I have no problem with that, as I have no problem with his long-winded answers, which I do read but usually not too closely. Maybe that is the reason I see no ‘threat’ in them. It’s not the approach I favor, it’s not how I process things. The notion of figuring everything out through pure scholarship doesn’t wash with me, particularly when it is so out of sync with (I love the expression) ‘the facts on the ground.’ If outside scholarship ought not be required on account of the Word making the workman completely equipped, and that argument is used as to chronology, I see no reason why it shouldn’t equally apply here. The ‘facts on the ground’ can be appreciated by most everyone. But the facts on the ground of 100-200 years ago, all openly updated as needed by “tacking” and “new light,” and nobody pretends otherwise, seems not a requirement of the average Joe Witness, but an optional specialty to be chased down by those with the time, talents, and interest.

Nothing….it’s incredible what technology the governments have that are secret…and that’s with out bringing in the demons powers ..
I think we all underestimate the cunning and unbelievable power beyond our poor human brains capabilities…

He did this because it might come before.

That comment about a fellow brother shows you have a real problem with ego….and a great need to be right……can you prove he did that…..or could that come under a false accusation against a fellow brother……Personally I don’t think anyone knows and you need to stop chasing this and be a little bit humble and stop shoving your thoughts down everyone’s throats…Whoever  did it could see it was causing disruptions and unnecessarily contentions and debating proving fruitless……and none of it promoting peace  amongst brothers….you do well to perhaps give some credit to whomever did it and stop your self promotion of your belief.
I couldn’t care less about dates…..so give it a rest …no honest hearted true brother would do what you are doing to prove your personal point…you are relentless in your crusade…
you are one big red flag to me!!!!
you are like a a broken record and I for one no longer even read your ramblings and copy and pastes….

Nothing….it’s incredible what technology the governments have that are secret…and that’s with out bringing in the demons powers ..
I think we all underestimate the cunning and unbelievable power beyond our poor human brains capabilities…

Not at all. I would say, as I have heard someone else say, “With God all things are possible!”

Personally I think that BroRando removed his own topic, probably because it was not very supportive of his predictions for 2034. And there were so many off-topic comments (a lot from me) that were not supportive of 1914. (His 2034 speculation depends on the accuracy of 1914.)

This includes his purpose and how it is slowly coming to fruition. 
My brother did some research on the Name and sent me a lot of information recently.  But I will only copy only the piece below.  This proves that Yehovah gave himself a very rare and unique name.  Moses could not have thought up this name even if he wanted to! 
Whole Roots
Most Hebrew roots are "whole" roots meaning all three letters of the root are present regardless of how the root is
used in different grammatical forms. For example, the Hebrew root SH.M.R. has the basic meaning "to guard".
Hebrew can use this root in dozens of ways, each with a different shade of meaning, such as the verbs SHaMaRti "I
guarded" and hiShaMeR "be careful" (be on guard), the noun miSHMeRet meaning "duty" (which a person has to be
on guard to keep), and the names SheMeR and SHoMRon. As a "whole" root, the letters shin mem resh are always
present in words derived from this root.
Hollow Roots
The opposite of a "whole" root, is a "hollow" root. In "hollow" roots, one or more of the three letters of the root can
be absent in certain grammatical forms. For example, the root BNH "to build" loses the third letter of the root in the
verb baniti (spelled BNYty) "I built". In this form of the verb, the H of BNH drops and is replaced by a Yod. If you
didn't know about hollow verbs, and saw the word baniti, you might think the root was BNY, when in fact it is BNH.
Yehovah is from a Hollow Root
The name Yehovah derives from the three-letter root HYH which means "to be". We know this from Ex 3:14 in which
the Almighty explains his name as "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh". The word Ehyeh is an "imperfect" verb from the root HYH
meaning "to be". In later Hebrew, the "imperfect" form took on the meaning of "future", but in Biblical Hebrew it
primarily expresses a repetitive action. In plain English, Ehyeh means "I am now and I will continue to be in the
future". This is why Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh can be translated as "I am that which I am", but also as "I will be that which I
will be". Both of these translations are correct, even if they are a bit inaccurate. An accurate translation would be: "I
am now, and will continue to be in the future, that which I am now, and will be continue to be in the future". That's
quite a mouthful, and you can see why most translations prefer to dumb it down.
The word eHYeH has all three letters of the root HYH, which may lead you to conclude that HYH is a "whole" root.
However, in other forms of the verb, the second and third letter drop, which means it is a "hollow" root. For
example, HaYiti (spelled HYYty) "I was", is missing the third letter of the root H, and in its place, has a Yod. On the
other hand, the masculine singular imperative Heveh (pronounced Heh Vay) "be!", is missing the second letter of the
root, and in its place, has a Vav. This last piece of information is crucial, because it means in certain forms, the root
looks like HVH, even though in fact it is HYH. This can be confusing because there is an unrelated root which really is
HVH, which has an entirely different meaning from HYH.
Yehovah comes from the same root as Ehyeh: the hollow root HYH. Yehovah is actually a combination of three verbforms:
Hayah "he was", Hoveh "he is", and Yih'yeh "he is now and will continue to be in the future". Together Hayah,
Hoveh, and Yih'yeh combine into the name Yehovah.
This to me is so beautiful about his name! ... and of course is connected to his purpose!

The hebrew Yod is pronounced as J in english. Same sound.

When one understands  WHY things are the way they are…one then gets a certain peace ..that others who are spiritually   naked cannot…then we can go with ease and chew on the bone because we know these things Must  take place.
Im glad I know about it….at times I wish I didn’t….but then I would be sick with worry and in fear because of not knowing the way out…
This tribulation is less painful because we understand this….but hey…I’ll beat you to the fridge door….you can have the bone…I’ll have the drink 🍺 
 

When one understands  WHY things are the way they are…one then gets a certain peace ..that others who are spiritually   naked cannot…then we can go with ease and chew on the bone because we know these things Must  take place.
Im glad I know about it….at times I wish I didn’t….but then I would be sick with worry and in fear because of not knowing the way out…
This tribulation is less painful because we understand this….but hey…I’ll beat you to the fridge door….you can have the bone…I’ll have the drink 🍺 
 

Unfortunately..I get that …

Sorry don’t know how that happened ???..I cannot get it bigger than this

Maybe they’ll change it.
Or maybe we’ll learn to deal with the whole thing as a metaphor. (though I don’t see how)
Meanwhile, if someone starts giving me a hard time over this in the ministry, I tell them its okay to treat it as a metaphor, and on that basis, see what can they draw from it. A certain type of person almost takes that as a compliment—that you are not rubbing their nose in ‘Adam & Eve’ but you are deeming them smart enough that they can figure out a metaphor. I even briefly won over my return visit Bernard Strawman, whom everyone but me thinks is a waste of time, on this point.
I used to call people like this ones who suffer from “We are wise and learned adults, far too clever to be sold Adam and Eve. What’s next—Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck?” syndrome. But now I drop the derisiveness, which does little good anyhow, and just invite them to treat it as a metaphor. After all, science is pretty universal that Adam & Eve is for dumbbells, and we are all taught that science is the be-all and end-all. Training like that doesn’t turn around on a dime.
Sometimes when they see how well the metaphor works out they forget all about “science” and they put their “cognitive dissonance” on the shelf as something to work out later. You don’t have to know everything. It’s the antithesis of humility to think that you do—or can.
I’’m convinced the phrase “cognitive dissonance” is an appeal to our pride and overall dumbs us down. It is an idea worthy of a pamphlet, but not the volumes dedicated to it. People can’t simultaneously hold two conflicting ideas as true at the same time? Of course they can. A little humility solves the problem, a willingness to put this or that on the shelf pending more information, which may or may not come, but in the meantime, you can’t rush it. You can’t just check yourself at the door because of a few facts that don’t line up. I note how often in mathematics, proofs will commence with assuming this or that point is true, and then seeing where that assumption leads. They don’t just stop dead in their tracks because they don’t know up front whether something is true or not
When I first came across Jehovah’s Witnesses, I was astounded that here were people who actually believed in Adam and Eve. They didn’t look stupid, or if so in no greater proportion than anyone else, yet all my life I had heard that only the reddest of the rednecks believed in Adam and Eve.  I couldn’t figure it out. I decided to shelve it for future resolution. I still don’t know how certain things will align. But the answer to the ‘problem of evil,’—why a loving God would permit it, the answer to the reason for and origin of death, the coherent answer to the question of how Christ’s death could benefit us—all these things were so overwhelming, that I decided to give “science” the back seat, not the front seat it usually demands. Without Jesus as the “first Adam,” a perfect man who by holding the course, repurchased us from that first perfect man who sinned and sold us out, the question of ‘Why Jesus died from us’ devolves into a mushy and intellectually unsatisfying “because he loved us.” To be sure, the head is not everything, but neither is it nothing. 
There is some sort of chromosomal evidence that goes back about 6K years. I think @Araunaposted of it not too long ago. I haven’t looked at it closely. Maybe that represents the reconciliation of timelines that otherwise don’t reconcile. It is roundly shouted down by majority scientists today. But we ought to know by now that being shouted down by the majority means nothing. Doesn’t this entire thread establish that? Or what of @JW Insider, who takes a line contrary to almost everyone else (and i think he’s wrong on the point) and declares bad reports of the CCP overblown? Here he is shouted down, but perhaps elsewhere he is paraded around as a visionary. Anything can be spun any way, by people who may or not be disingenuous. 
The majority team gets the ball and then tilts the field so steeply as to tumble the minority team right off it.