It is true that I no longer go door to door teaching others about God or about His Kingdom. However i do a bit of what might be classes as 'witnessing' on Facebook and at other opportunities.  So I found this quote online and I thought, that it is probably better than I could write it myself.  Quote : -

Anguish of Nations not knowing the way....Out ? Out of What?

Quote @TrueTomHarley  " PS: the good guys have all migrated for now to Anna’s new thread on the closed site. You’re welcome to join them. Leave 4Jah, Srecko, and Witness here to talk among themselves. They’ll soon discover that they can’t stand one another. "

Yes, @Srecko Sostar it seems that Tom has a slight sickness. Tom seems to have a need to be sarcastic and try to cause trouble.  Tom has a need to incite hatred in people and he seems to need to put us down. 

In honesty @Srecko Sostar you are a person I would like to meet face to face and to have deep discussion with, because your comments seem sincere and sensible and you can reason well on things. 

There are not many on here I would like to meet with. 

It would also seem that they have a fear of us, as they need to hide in their 'closed site'. 

If Tom believes that serving the GB makes them 'good guys' well so be it. Only time will tell. 

To my own surprise I sort of did a bit of witnessing on Facebook today. Not on behalf of JW Org of course, but on behalf of God. I will put it on a new topic now.  

Srecko I wish you well and your family also. 

@Witness I wish you well also. I tend to agree with much that you say, but a lot of your comments are too deep for me to fully understand. 

Having just looked at @The Librarian topic about the name Jesus I noticed this

The name "Jesus" has a long, long history. The origin of this name is the Hebrew name ????? (yehoshu'a, Strong's #3091 [Latinized as Joshua]), which means "Yahweh saves."

Then in another of @The Librarian topics we have this 

The name Jesus (Gr., I·e·sous′) corresponds to the Hebrew name Jeshua (or, in fuller form, Jehoshua), meaning “Jehovah Is Salvation.” 

Um, someone cannot make up their mind here.  

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Sorry @Srecko Sostar I've gone totally off of your topic . 

Would be good if the @The Librarian could move my comments (except this one) to a new topic, please. 

To return to @Srecko Sostar 's topic : " After the death of the apostles, professing Christians left off pronouncing the name". 

Now if that is saying that anyone not using God's name is not a true Christian, then it would of course be important to get God's name right 

Quote : Notwithstanding, it is almost certain that the name of God was originally pronounced “Yah·wehʹ.”

But to quote from Srecko's original topic. 

 In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children.

But some of those are Elders. So they must have been quite convincing in their 'professing to be part of the congregation'. 

This type of action is understandable from a government or legal system that has no true spiritual guidance. They are physical thinking and only understand things of this world. But it would seem as if that is how it is supposed to be for scripture to be fulfilled. 

At least the man wasn't physically harmed or imprisoned, but he might find life a bit more difficult as it says being branded extremist, it might put some restrictions on work. 

I wonder how JWs all around the globe will hold up if these restrictions and laws spread earthwide. 

Jehovah’s Witnesses go to court to block sex abuse report publication

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/01/jehovahs-witnesses-go-to-court-to-block-sex-abuse-report-publication/

What if you actually knew what an apostate was ? That would help you both.

Not the GB / JW Org meaning of course , but the true meaning as below. 

apostate

From the Watchtower Library link @Srecko Sostar provided above. 

“This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel: ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name to eternity, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation.” (Ex. 3:13-15) We, therefore, have the Creator’s own words for it that his name is Jehovah.

Um, not exactly, because the name Jehovah would not have been used. 

YHWH does not translate to Jehovah. 

Whenever they came across the tetragrammaton, JHVH, they studiously substituted the Hebrew words 

Quite funny as when I studied with JWs I was told it was YHWH but this W/t link says JHVH. Um, which is actually right I wonder ? 

The Tetragrammaton is the four-letter Hebrew word יהוה, the name of the biblical God of Israel. The four letters, read from right to left, are yodh, he, waw and he. While there is no consensus about the structure and etymology of the name, "the form Yahweh is now accepted 

Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible^[1] and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.

The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai ("my Lord"). The Hebrew vowel points of Adonai were added to the Tetragrammaton by the Masoretes, and the resulting form was transliterated around the 12th century as Yehowah.^[2] The derived forms Iehouah and Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century.

"Jehovah" was popularized in the English-speaking world by William Tyndale and other pioneer English Protestant translations such as the Geneva Bible and the King James Version.^[3] The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops states that in order to pronounce the Tetragrammaton "it is necessary to introduce vowels that alter the written and spoken forms of the name", resulting in "Yahweh" or "Jehovah".^[4] It also remains in use by the Watchtower Society translators of the New World Translation, and appears in the still-popular translations of the American Standard Version (1901) and the Young's Literal Translation (1862, 1899), but it does not appear in current mainstream English translations, some of which use Yahweh but most continue to use "Lord" or "LORD" to represent same.^[5

^{Food for thought. Would the true Anointed use Jehovah or Yahweh ?} 

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

Oh NO , you found us! We are exposed! 

 Guess what, you can come and throw your nasty bait... I have decided you are not going to get a worthy answer from me. You know it all .......I am stupid....I have been duped! Oh woe is me!!!  Somehow I can happily  live with that! 

Perhaps you and Tom are actually the same person.   you are both quite ......., well I don't want to get banned so I'll just let it go........ 

But actually I don't think you are capable of a worthy answer, hence you never give one . 

One quote I found.  " If the meaning of baptism could be boiled down to one word, that word would be identification. Baptism speaks primarily of a personal, public identification with Jesus Christ. "

Matthew 28 v 19 NWT

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,o baptizing themp in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, "

J W baptism.

Baptisms are usually held at assemblies and conventions of Jehovah’s Witnesses. At the conclusion of the baptism talk, the speaker will ask the baptism candidates to stand and answer the following two questions in a loud voice:

1. Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?

2. Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?

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So where are the words in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, " ?

And where in the Bible does it say that a person gets baptised into an 'Organisation' ?

Should the JW Org use the words that Jesus instructed to be used ? 

Now a puzzling question. What actually is a JW Org baptism ? Sound like a stupid question ? Um. 

If a baptised JW leaves the Org or is disfellowshipped, they are then shunned. So are they still a Christian ? 

Does their baptism still count for anything ? 

In the first century it would have been anointed ones that did the baptising. A baptised one, would become a Christian serving God through Christ. There was no IBSA, and no JW Org. (Although some on here try to pretend that the 1st Century Christians were JWs)

So who now has the right to baptise ?  Should it be Anointed one's that baptise ? Therefore should it be made clear who are the Anointed ones ?

I suppose it would be difficult to know who they are, and to have so few Anointed baptise so many earth wide. 

But, by what authority do the Elders baptise ? And is it a true baptism as it is 'into the Org' not as Jesus first directed ?

Does anyone else have the right to baptise and would it be recognised as such by God and Christ ?

Add to this that if a person is reinstated into JW Org and then, wow, everyone can talk to them again, their original baptism into JW Org is ok, and they don't need to do it again. 

How does any of that match up with God's written word ?  

Oh how lovely it is to read @TrueTomHarley & @Arauna  hype each other up so well. But of course they have to, as do all JWs, to hide the truth from themselves.  

Quote Tom "In the same way, the verse says: “Taste and see that Jehovah is good.” Some have tasted and seen that he is bad. It’s not something that does anyone any good to argue about. "

No Tom, you are deliberately misleading people here. Some of us know that  Almighty God is not only good, but Almighty. We know that God will put all things right. We know that Christ gave his life so that as many as would put faith in God and do good in God's eyes, woulds be saved. BUT, what we have tasted as BAD, is the GB / JW Org / W/t. 

Unfortunately JWs have been brainwashed into believing that 'only baptised JWs will be saved'. Hence, JWs cannot separate Almighty God from JW Org. I will start a new topic on Baptism in a moment. 

Now let's examine this quote from Tom,

"So it is with the ‘sugar’ of the Bible’s message. This is what does it for Jehovah’s Witnesses—that unique combination of accurate Bible teachings along with the united brotherhood that comes with it—a unity and love unparalleled "

'Accurate Bible teachings', Tom says... Well in FACT we know that the JW Org was an offshoot from the IBSA. Brother Russell, whom the JW Org sometimes love and sometimes hates, stated that an organisation was not necessary. Bro Russell also stated many other things, most of which did not come true. There seems to be mixed 'truth' about Bro Rutherford, whether Russell said Rutherford should not run the IBSA, whether Rutherford was actually a break away (apostate) from that original 'religion' by forming the JWs. Then we fast forward to other predictions via the Org and we come to 1975, or at least the early 1970's, and more failed predictions.  

We also have the teaching that was part of the doctrine of the Org for many years, the 7,000 year creative days, but that doctrine has now been forsaken. You could add to this the blood issue, no blood, blood fractions, what next ?  But Tom would say that is taking things tooo far. 

So 'Accurate teachings' Tom ? I think not. 

'United brotherhood'. Need we even bother to think on this ? 'A unity and love unparalleled' ?  You are kidding us Tom. 

Man made rules dictated by the GB down through the ranks to the Elders who rule over the congregations. Child Sexual Abuse, Earth wide in JW Org. Shunning earth wide in the JW Org. Dishonest disfellowshipping in the JW Org. Dishonest lawyers mistreating Victims in JW org. No love, no mercy, no compassion in the JW Org.  'Look after widows and orphans' does not even come up into the minds or hearts of your GB or the Elders. 

Your 'sugar' seems to be you getting hyped up on the hype from the meetings, and from the hype on here from Arauna. But sensible people know that sugar, whilst it tastes nice and can give hype, is not good for humans. Your meetings 'tickle your ears' and are your sugar. It seems you actually don't care if it is truth or not. This week's 'truth' might be next week's lies, but it is your sugar hype at the time. 

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Well....I think he has made pretty clear that he is not really our brother.

And i think JWs make it pretty clear that they do not serve Almighty God. They serve the GB and JW Org. 

Quote @Colin Browne Jehovah doesn't want us to lay charges against our brothers.

"Does any one of you who has a dispute with another dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones? Or do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world?"  (1Cor. 6:1,2)

Unfortunately Colin, justice is not done within the JW Org and there is no love, so some congregants or ex-congregants have to go to Superior Authorities of the world that God himself puts in place or allows to be in place. 

If it were only five or ten cases then it could be seen possibly false or fake, but it is hundreds of cases Earth wide ( possibly thousands ), so surely it is thereby proven to have some true foundation. 

A couple of scriptures from the NWT. If only JWs including the GB would live by these things. 

Galations 6 v 2 and v 10

 Go on carrying the burdens of one another,d and in this way you will fulfill the law of the Christ.

 So, then, as long as we have the opportunity,* let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith

Work good towards all. I honestly do not see that happening at all in the JW Org. 

Mr Harley i do not want your stupid opinion. You show yourself as totally self centred and only wanting attention. 

15 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Excellent point as always. The answer is the same as that given Srecko. Make volunteer work illegal. Those volunteer fire departments? Tell them to let the houses burn. Those volunteers at the hospitals? Tell those lazy patients to get themselves out of traction and take care of their own needs. Those volunteers during every election? Free them! Tell Trump and Sanders to knock on doors and present their own case.

The purpose of life is to accumulate money. How can people do that if they are giving away their work? Free them from being manipulated. Let no  one do anything without a paycheck.

I made a normal one, too. What we need is a Department of Volunteer Monitoring so that any volunteering can be run by you for your approval or not. I suggest they will all be quickly approved except that concerning JWs

UM Does anyone see the difference between, being conned into doing restoration showy work on an old building, because you've been told it is for the 'glory of God' 

As opposed to, doing voluntary work, such as EMERGENCY WORK FOR A FIRE DEPT' OR HOSPITAL which actually serves a good purpose.  

It seems that Mr Harley doesn't know the difference. 

Mr Harley, the difference is, the one's that do the Emergency work actually volunteer to HELP OTHER PEOPLE.

The congregants, that should have been preaching the Good News of God's Kingdom', because it is so urgent as the 'End' is so close (in JWs opinion), were actually misled into believing that the restoration work on that theatre was for God. In God's eyes and Christ's I would have thought the preaching work was much more important. 

One thought, Jesus knew that Jerusalem was about to be destroyed, 

⁰  “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,v then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.w ²¹  Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,x let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, .... "

I don't see any instruction to go and build a big fancy assembly hall some place.  

22 minutes ago, Anna said:

Stop paying the rent then 😀

I don't pay rent either, nor council tax (money to UK government).  I am quite 'no part of this world'.   

22 minutes ago, Anna said:

Come on now John, I am beginning to think you are losing your understanding of the definition of worship....

New International Version Acts 17 v 23
For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship--and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.

Call me John if it makes you happy. 
 

22 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Isn’t anything sold for that reason?

Yes. Make it illegal to volunteer for anything. Those volunteer ambulance departments? Make them illegal. Tell no one to budge unless someone puts a check in their hand.

Oh, very well, you idiot. Go buy your house for full price—even over price. Write letters to the editor to voice your outrage at those who buy fixer-uppers.

And still old @TrueTomHarley twists things that he has no real answer for. Keep it up Tom, keep showing your disrespect for God. 

I didn't buy and don't own my house. It's just a place to live for now. 

And that theatre wasn't a 'fixer-upper' was it ? It was a show piece to show off to the world of mankind. Rebuilt by slave labour of congregants, because those congregants were fooled into believing that it was 'for God'. But it was for the GB to show off to the world of mankind. Obviously for the word of mankind, the devil's world, because no one with true love of God and Christ would consider it as being the right thing to do. 

Once again it could just be the American way. And the GB being mostly American and living the  American way have got caught up in this showy display of life.  Assembly Halls that I've visited here in UK do not look anything like that place. A / H here in UK are functional not showy. K/H that I've visited too are functional not showy. All of them are very neat and always tidy, but i remember helping with the vacuuming in some  . 

11 minutes ago, Anna said:

I think you should sell give your home away, and go and live in a cardboard box under a bridge. 

I don't own it, it isn't mine to give. I was never into real estate, being no part of this world.  

https://gothamist.com/news/inside-the-lost-jehovahs-witnesses-tunnels-under-brooklyn-heights

I thought this article was quite interesting and slightly funny too :-

"It was a little creepy" in the tunnels, Gregory Hall, 

"I've heard of some real strange things that happened down there" in the tunnels, Hall said, without going into detail. He did recall seeing "chain-link cages that they had their offices in. It felt weird. It was not real comfortable."

Since the tunnels were largely secluded, some elders reportedly saw them as an opportunity to corner members away from the rest of the community. Once, Hall said, an older JW man took him into the tunnels, then started talking to him about masturbation. (In a recently released video entitled "Pillowgate," two JW leaders are shown inveighing against masturbation; Hall said the Witnesses are infuriated about the video and are searching for a mole they believe leaked it.)

[I thought] 'I don't even know you, I feel creepy down here, and you're bringing that up to me?'" Hall recalled. "When those doors closed down in those areas, I didn't feel comfortable. Some of those guys, they lose touch with reality."

Read the whole article if you have time  

6 minutes ago, Arauna said:

You sound like a total control freak..... since when did Jesus say one cannot sell a place for whatever reason. The only thing one burns and do not give away or sell is an object for idolatry or spiritism..... such as spiritistic books or something that will be venerated.

@Anna said that the buildings / Kingdom Halls were sacred and holy. 

But in truth they are just real estate for the GB to make profit from. What adds to that insult is that Congregants spent many hours building those Kingdom Halls and maintaining them, and those congregants received no wages. So it shows that the GB use congregants as slave labour to build and maintain, so that the GB can reap a profit. More K/H are being closed and more Congregants are having to travel miles to meetings, so money is going somewhere.  

But I think you should remember that Jesus didn't even have a place to call his home.  

Matthew 8 v 20 NWT version. .

But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head

But your GB live in luxury, buying and selling real estate. 

@TrueTomHarley proves his lack of love and respect for God and Christ by each and every comment he makes. Tom you are so well trained / brainwashed by the GB and it's Org. 

Quote Mr Harley " It so happens that the “thing of the world” under discussion is the building that they meet in "

BUT IT WASN'T. It was a wreck that needed millions spent on it, and should have been pulled down. 

It is only the worship of such buildings that make people waste time and money on them. So because your GB & Co worshipped that building, hundreds of naive congregants worked hard on it to restore it, for no pay. But when your GB sell it, who gets the money ? None of those congregants will get a dime.  

Were those congregants told it would bring praise to God ? Could those congregants not see that it was just a showy display of GB / JW Org wealth through donations.  It does not bring praise to God by any sincere worshipper of God. It is just a showy building. It was originally built as a showy building by people 'of the world'. The building has not changed.  It is just real estate for the GB to play with and make money from. 

So copy and paste someone else's comment suddenly makes it right.

@Anna you get worse in your answers.... 

Quote "As for idol worship, Witnesses do not worship any building "

"When something is sacred that means that it is viewed as being holy ......... even our places of worship "

And then Kingdom halls are sold off to other religions or to any one that will buy them, just to bring the $$$$ in. 

A time of rebellion indeed and it's easy to see that the GB are rebelling against God and Christ. 

Idolatry in the extreme. The GB worship money, power and position, and even buildings. 

One building the GB and others at the top of the JW Org worship is this one.

Scroll down on that link and see the idol worship and money wasted. 

I wonder how much of congregants donations were wasted on the restoration of this monstrosity.

https://jerseydigs.com/look-inside-the-historic-stanley-theater-journal-square-jersey-city/

But they won't give money willingly to Victims of Child Sexual Abuse, that were abused in JW Org. Much of the abuse was carried out by Elders. And the GB continue to keep the secret data base of over 20 years, whilst wasting money on the worship of buildings. 

Please show me how this is serving God properly ?  

@the Sower of Seed  " They have God's view of war, of murder, of abortion, of headship, of voting, of trusting in men, of the use of blood, of immorality,etc.... "

The GB have no idea. 

1. The GB say that God and Christ trust them, so then the GB tell people to trust them.  Trusting the GB is 'trusting in men', when the bible says 'Put not your trust in earthling man'

2. How many more of you JWs will pretend that the GB and its Org have God's view of immorality ?

Look around this Earth. See the hurt and pain the JW Org has caused people through Child Sexual Abuse. Then look at all the court cases where your GB are using dishonest lawyers to tell lies in courts, just to save your GB money. JW Org has big businesses in the world earning millions of pounds / $, but they do not want  to pay compensation to Victims of CSA. The GB have even made rules of shunning to deliberately push people away from their families and friends. The misuse of scripture is horrid. 

The only 'seed' you are sowing is one of lies.  

I'll repeat this scripture :- Matthew 5 

38 “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’a ³⁹  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.b ⁴⁰  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment;c ⁴¹  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. ⁴²  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you."

Direct instruction from Jesus to the Anointed. To give and not hold back.  Why are your GB doing exactly  the opposite to the instructions of Jesus Christ ? 

Quote @TrueTomHarley 

Sigh......Maybe they will someday turn over a new leaf and I will see on the webpage:

”Watchtower—home of the polite lawyers, the reasonable lawyers, the Christian lawyers.......anybody representing anything can roll them.”

Quote God's Word at Matthew 5 v 38 through 42.  NWT version. 

 “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ ³⁹  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. ⁴⁰  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment ⁴¹  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. ⁴²  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you."

@TrueTomHarley you prove by your own words that you do not serve Almighty God. 

The GB and their Lawyers prove exactly the same thing. The JW Org is run by people that do not want  to serve God properly. Why ? Because those that run JW Org are puffed up with their own pride, and worry about their own status and position and power, and money. 

Read that scripture above 3 times, repetition for emphasis as the Org used to say in the 70's. Get it through your head, what is important.

If the GB and their lawyers were serving God properly they would not care about the loss of money. Remember that scripture above is direct instruction from Jesus Christ to the Anointed. Your GB say they are Anointed and that they follow Christ. But BY THEIR WORKS WE SHALL KNOW THEM.