9 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

and at showing disrespect to those in authority

@Arauna  This is what he said.  Hence i said he worshipped them, the GB. 

11 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

13 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

So tell me, what should I show repentance for ? 

Almost in the same breath you’ve answered your question:

The point being Tom that Arauna places being oposed to the GB of the JW Org as being non repentant. 

You and her seem of the same opinions. But I've seen it in action. Congregants have to 'repent' to the Elders. The Elders act like priests 'showing forgiveness'. Whereas in truth a person should repent before God through Yeshua and should not need to prove themsleves to men. 

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Will you even be doing the Memorial this year?

No I will not. The Memorial is for the True Anointed.  I do not pretend to be Anointed, neither do i know anyone that is. 

As for the 'Easter bunny', the chocolate eggs are a temptation, but no. 

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If I was on a boat drifting toward the falls which I did not expect to survive, I would not be using all my energy hollering to those on shore how they are doing everything wrong.

Now the point here is this. Would you give warning to others of the danger ?  Or, would you be so selfish as to let others perish ?  You seem to be saying that you would only care about yourself.  

Yeshua preached the word boldly and gave warnings to those that would listen, EVEN THOUGH he knew he would have to die for it.  

11 hours ago, Thinking said:

I am speaking of much much more than ego and hurt feelings …it was wickedness a cruelty unscriptural and ended in some one’s death…and blood guilt….

This i have witnessed locally in my ex congregation. A young man who was once a M/S but mysteriously 'left' the Org at the same time a prominent Elder was D/fed, left his wife and even left England / moved back to Wales. The young M/S never returned to the KH and before i left the Org, I would often ask if anyone visited him, or could i have his address that i might visit him, but I was met with silence. That young man commited suiclde.... 

But I've noticed over the 3 or so years that I've been on here that more and more JWs are telling the truth about happenings in their own congregations. And what you mention sounds very serious.  @JW Insider once spoke about an incident involving a 'close relitive' of his, which seemed quite serious too.  

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

This is what I object to-  that you try to criminalise every single JW. This is not logical reasoning but an overwhelming unreasoning hate-OCD. 

In war, someone has to make the weapons before they can be used. Those who work in the factories making weapons are as guilty as those who fire the weapons.  In the JW Org, any JW that 'looks the other way' when injustice or immorality takes place, is as guilty as the one commiting the sin / crime. 

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Exactly! What a waste of a precious life! All that time and energy spent on negative activities!  Non-life non-love activities.

And you think that serving your GB is possitive ?   All that time wasted handing out doom and gloom magazines with horrible pictures of destruction on the fron cover.  All the hatred of non JWs. All the pain caused by shunning. All the pain and suffering for children forced to do things for the sake of the GB. 

Yeshua's way is nothing like the ways of the GB / Org. Yeshua has all authority, not your GB. 

Oh dear, the blind leading the blind. @Arauna leading @Peter Carroll  

1 hour ago, Peter Carroll said:

showing disrespect to those in authority

PC you are proving here that you worship and serve the GB of JW org. 

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

The organization is merely the tool. 

No, the GB and it's Org uses JWs as tools.  This i have proven by showing examples.

JWs standing by a cart / trolly. They are not preaching or teaching, they are handing out GB 'words' in written form. 

JWs on the doors handing out Watchtowers and Awake magazines. They are not teaching from the Bible, they are handing out the GB's written words. 

JWs are not allowed to give opinions. They have to always refer to the GB's interpretation of things. 

IF all JWs were in unity in serving God properly they would all be able to speak their own opinion and it would all be in agreement. But JWs are actually silenced. They are just robots, handing out the GB interpretation. 

It has been said here many times by different people, you can say things on here that you dare not say in a KH. 

And i will come back to one thing that I think is important. Yeshua gave instruction as to how baptism should take place. In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The GB obviously do not agree with Yeshua, because the GB do not follow His instruction. The GB baptise people into the JW Org. 

11 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

more negitive postings ,glad you opinion has no weight and therefore is worthless

But don't you see Mr Carroll, your comment here is negative.  

If the GB were true Christians they would actually listen to people's opinions and take note of how they are mistreating people. Each person should stand before YHWH through Yeshua. They should not stand before the GB through the Elders. Each person should be allowed to use their own Christian conscience.  JW congregants are not allowed to do that. 

Rambo I love your fear mongering and doom and gloom.  

Matthew 24:8 

New International Version
All these are the beginning of birth pains.

New Living Translation
But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.

English Standard Version
All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

Berean Study Bible
All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Berean Literal Bible
And all these are the beginning of birth pains.

New American Standard Bible
But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains.

Christian Standard Bible
All these events are the beginning of labor pains.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All these events are the beginning of birth pains.

Now in my opinion BIRTH PAINS bring forth something good, a child. Whereas the GBs interpretation says "beginning of pangs of distress." which is negative.

And as the GB are no more inspired than anyone else, they could easily be wrong. But you keep serving those GB men whilst i will look for truth. 

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

There are many disappointments that one has to overcome, going to foreign countries, and then later in life go to Bethal, and then when one has done menial jobs in bethal - then move on to some key functions. 

You seem to only connect the Anointed to the JW Org. Once again, as @Srecko Sostar has mentioned, what does it have to do with spiritual anointing ?  

Dedicating your life to an organisation, to live by man made rules, and to rule over others by using those rules, seems a very long way away from serving YHWH through Yeshua.  

(Romans 13:8-10) Do not owe anything to anyone except to love one another; for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. 9 For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment. ________________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

Tell this to eveyone that is shunned by JWs. 

On 4/14/2022 at 8:29 PM, BroRando said:

 The Bible promises a bright and new future:

YES, Rando. THE BIBLE, which is the word of YHWH, promises that bright new future. It has nothing to do with JWs. 

Keep hiding @Pudgy

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Who is the fibber here ?   Does your false accusations make you righteous before god? Does your false teachings make you more righteous with god?  or are you just a hateful person taking out your gall on JWs here, with NO hope of eternal life yourself.  Many people choose to become opposers instead of showing repentance. 

I think I've given proof that my 'accusation' isn't a lie.  I don't have any false teachings as I am not a teacher. I do however give warnings to those who could easily become victims. 

I don't have hope of eternal life but that does not make me hateful of TRUTH. I hate the things that God hates. 

Repentance ?  For leaving an immoral organisation ?  So tell me, what should I show repentance for ? 

Of course i have sin, we all do, but opposing the immorality and lies of the JW Org is not a sin. 

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

On 4/14/2022 at 7:51 PM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Thousands of pedophiles earthwide in the JW Org

You have no proof of that number - it is merely an accusation. since 1957 until the Australian commission there were slightly more than ONE thousand names...... cases where there were accusations made.

The ARC mentioned just over one thousand pedophiles in the Australian part of JW org.  Each Pedo had more than one victim.

The UK has had two investigations both have found pedophilia in the UK JW org. The Charity Commision and the IICSA. Online proof is available......... 

In America there have been many law suits / court cases about Pedophiles in the American part of the JW org.

The point being with America that it has a hidden Database of pedophile records going back 25 years, BUT Australia's records went back over 50 years. I think that gives question as to what happened to the other 25 years of records in America ?  Also who is paying whom to keep those records secret ?

In Canada some lawyers wanted to bring a massive court case (some thing like 66 million Canadian dollars ) against the Canadian JW org, but for some reson they were not allowed to.  So we have no idea how many Pedophiles there are on record in the Canadian JW org. 

Then we have the Netherlands 'Reclaimed Voices' / Utrecht University with at least 751 reports ranging from incest to rape. The Dutch JW org went to court to try to stop the publication of the report. 

Spain, 27th october 2018, Abusos JW sent letter to their Ministry of the Interior to urge for investigaation into the JW org Spain. 

And we haven't mentioned half the world yet ! But you will probably get the drift of it all. 

I repeat THOUSANDS OF PEDOPHILES in the JW Org earthwide. 

And all JWs, just by being JWs, are supporting the GB and the other leaders in hiding the Pedophiles in the JW  Org. 

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Rejecting the only organization which tries to maintain cleanliness (pure worship) according to Jehovah's standards - that is true naivety.

I haven't yet found such an organisation. Certainly not the JW Org.  But continue your blindness and slavery to the GB & Co. 

https://watchtowerdocuments.org/unite-to-shine-a-light/

6 hours ago, Thinking said:

.I think you have a sick problem you may be projecting on to him…

Rambo is the one that wants to watch people dying, not me. And the words i used are just an expression that have been used on this forum before by others. 

6 hours ago, Thinking said:

of which I hope come about as they are kinder

Um, kinder to watch people die, is it ?  Why do JWs love this idea about seeing people die ? 

Watch news about the war in Ukraine if that is what you people love so much. And then you say it's me that is sick. 

19 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Instead of apologizing, you made excuses.

Not excuses, but examples.  Whereas, you are so ashamed you hide behind a dog cartoon. 

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

There are just two sides:  Human government and its values or Jehovah and his values.

Yes but, the values of YHWH through Yeshua are seperate from the JW Org. 

When you understand that the JW Org does not control God or Christ, then you will find true understanding. But whilst you can only see the GB's Organisation as the only option then you are still trapped. 

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

Yes- JWs are very flawed as people but very few of us have criminal inclinations.

This comment is soooo funny. Thousands of pedophiles earthwide in the JW Org and you can say that above  

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

In this kind of environment "everything" (meaning every deviation) is acceptable to the majority...except a clean condition before Jehovah.  Do you not think this is by Satan's design in the system he is running?  Do you not think this will become worse and JWs will eventually be persecuted as prophesied?

This sounds like the JW Org. Everything becoming acceptable such as CSA, adultery, divorce, lies et al.

Do you not think this is by Satan's design in the system he is running?  Yes because Satan has his hands in the Watchtower and JW Org. The GB certainly do not serve YHWH through Yeshua, so the GB must be serving satan.

"and JWs will eventually be persecuted as prophesied?"   Where exactly in the scriptures does it mention JWs by name ? 

If JWs get 'persecuted' for the CSA within it's Org, then rightly so. And also for the shunning rules. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

23 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

“We act, for example, for a man whose wife is still a member, and he is ignored in his own home.”

This will be because the man has become a fanatical crazy who will not leave his wife in peace but works 24/7 to undermine her belief system so that she tunes him out to preserve her sanity. It has to be something like this because, again, Watchtower published counsel is that normal marital relations continue in the aftermath of a disfellowshipping, minus only the spiritual component.

I laugh at you Tom. You are so naive ( or dishonest ).  

Now just because people put words on paper, it does not mean that they live their lives by those words. How many times have people broken aggreements. How many times have people disobeyed written rules. Just because W/t publish 'council' does not mean that JWs including Elders follw that council, and it does not mean that those whom wrote the council actually want it obeyed. 

I was sat next to the phone here at home when an Elder phoned my wife and told her that i had been disfellowshipped. It was good for my wife and i that she knew the truth of the matter. And i now have it in writing from the congregation Elders that i left the Org of my own choice. If my wife had chosen to believe that Elder then she may have stopped talking to me and she may have even called me a liar. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You dodo! Bolded, all-caps, and in red!?

Well it got your attention didn't it.

A bit like all the horrible Watchtowers with destructive pictures on the front covers about Armageddon. 

18 hours ago, Pudgy said:

As have stated before, over an over and over here, for perhaps nine years, that I consider Jehovah’s Witnesses right only 15% of the time …… but WHICH 15% make all the difference.

For perhaps nine years I have constantly challenged all comers to show me something better, and ALL HAVE FAILED TO DO SO.

So lets start with this 'revelation' above.

JWs only right 15% of the time. BUT JWs continually spred the GB's propaganda and lies.  

Challenged others to show something better.  Something better than deliberately spreading false information about YHWH and Yeshua. Something better than scaremongering with false predictions about Armageddon. Something better than the misuse of scripture. Something better that man made rules, made up by uninspired Men who pretend to be the F&DS.

Well just maybe, serving YHWH through Yeshua, as an individual, not as part of that immoral Org. 

18 hours ago, Pudgy said:

If it wasn’t for Jehovah’s Witnesses my entire life would have been much worse, and I may have killed innocent people in Vietnam, the Congo, the Middle East, or Peru.

But it didn't help you with all your problems did it ? 

18 hours ago, Pudgy said:

It is YOU, PwfT, that are half afraid JWS MAY BE RIGHT, not me.

That is why you continue to hang out here.

I know that YHWH is right, and that Yeshua is right, and that if we use a few different translations of the scriptures then the generel message is right. BUT JWs can only be right if they serve YHWH through Yeshua. Whilst JWs remain slaves to the GB then JWs will never be right. To stand on street corners guarding a trolly / cart full of GB propaganda IS being a slave to the GB. 

I hang out here for entertainment. I do also wonder if any of the True Anointed ones will show up. 

18 hours ago, Pudgy said:

When a person is afraid of dying, there begins the search for comforting lies.

Yes, it's wonderful not being afraid of dying. It allows a person to have freedom of speech. 

5 hours ago, Thinking said:

Simply not true…in other words ..rubbish …we have had disfellowshipped ones take the emblems…respect is paid to all….they often come back year after year so no instant destruction for anybody…how do we know who’s of the annoited?

Now this sounds very much like an admittence that Anointed ones have been disfellowshiped. 

Now who would have disfellowshipped them ? Oh yes of course, non anointed elders. 

As for your comment "respect is paid to all".  That is not true in all congregations. 

4 hours ago, Pudgy said:

When I posted this article, it was not directed at anyone. I posted it because it was JW news that was not available on the JW.org website, no more.

James oh James, you just cannot decide which side of that fence to be on can you ? 

You know they are wrong but you are still frightend they just might be right  ....  

Well maybe they are half right, but oh dear, that means they are half wrong tooooooooooooooo  

It must be difficult for a man that is pretending to be a dog, to have to make genuine decisions. 

Yes of course, just the reaction I would expect from you James. 

1. I'm sure a certain person has used that expression toward me in the past. 

2. It was meant as an insult because I'm fed up with him gloating about non JWs suffering and dying.

3. I note that you are more upset with my comment than you are about his distasteful lies. 

4. As John Butler, I got d/fed wrongly for what was misinterpreted as threats against the GB, whereas here we have Rambo openly telling everyone how 'marvelous' it will be to see people dying. And you lot lap it all up. 

Hypocrites 

On 4/12/2022 at 7:09 AM, Pudgy said:

AND SPEAKING OF CURRENCY BY THE POUND….. NEWS FROM BELGIUM (. … who are famous for their breakfast Waffles!)

 

AND I NOTICED AS SOON AS YOU MENTIONED THIS, THE WHOLE TOPIC WENT POLITICAL, JUST TO DISTRACT FROM THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU UPLOADED. 

Shunning is of couse discrimination, and also misuse of scripture which was instruction given to the Anointed not to the earthly class. 

But if you need to use scripture in order to show love to people, try this. 

Matthew 5 : 43 - 45. Yeshua said 

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’  (This is the JW way) 

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" 

But the GB / Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, want you to hate everyone outside of THEIR Org. 

JWs are told not to have friends outside of the Org, not to trust anyone outside of the Org, and not to even look at or speak to Ex JWs. And many many JWs are too frightened to disobey.