Patiently waiting for Truth

So efforts by the GB and it's Org. In Australia it seems they handed over the documents / database of those accused of Child Sexual Abuse. The results are known earth wide via the internet. Their documentation seems to have gone back 50 years or more. In the UK they refused to hand over the information until it went to court then it seems London HQ did hand over the documents / database. The Charity Commission carried out it's investigation and found problems, but the IICSA will be carrying out a further investigation. There was talk by the Charity Commission of stopping the charitable status of JW Org I think. In the USA it seems they, the GB and their lawyers, are still refusing to hand over the 20 + year data base containing the names of suspected paedophiles.. Victims are still having to go through court battles to try to get justice but the GB and their lawyers are not helping in any way. It seems strange to me that in Australia they had information going back over 50 years, but in USA it only goes back around 20 years. I can't believe this is correct but i haven't yet dug deeper.. In Canada similar problems. In the Netherlands too. Even in Spain in October 2018 Abusos JW sent a letter to their Minister of the Interior to asked them to investigate the JW Org for CSA. That info is just to show you @Arauna that hundreds of people have been victims of Child Sexual Abuse within the JW Org. The Org has always pretended to be family friendly and to be a SAFE hiding place from the 'storm' of the outside world. BUT the GB / Org has known for many many years that they have paedophile problems within. However it has been kept secret. The Elders have not been allowed to tell the congregations as a whole, that there is a paedophile in the congregation, and Elders have not been allowed to name the paedophile. So in short, it was kept secret. Constructive criticism :- The GB should recognise that they are not 'fit for purpose' and should step down. The true Anointed should be allowed to run the JW Org. If the GB stepped down then God may, by His Holy Spirit, guide the true Anointed to run the JW Org properly. NO, I don't know exactly how it would take place, but then i don't know how God opened up the Red Sea either..... All information about suspected paedophiles should be handed over to the police / authorities in all countries. All victims should be paid a small amount. I don't think anyone should be paid 'millions' but i do think the Watchtower / JW Org is rich enough to survive paying out to those genuine victims of abuse... A new 'rule book' needs to be written which should be available to all congregants not just to Elders.... It would of course take humility for the GB to step down but that humility might just give God the signal he is waiting for, so that He can lovingly give His Holy Spirit to those that really deserve it. Of course it might need more that just the GB to step down, it might need the writing department to change as well............ It is either that or God will need to form a new organisation using the true Anointed. But even that would be constructive in God's eyes. JWs should stop thinking about what they want and should think about what is righteous in God's eyes.

@JW Insider Thank you for your in depth reply. I quote "No I don't believe 1914 is the time of the establishment of the heavenly kingdom, because the Bible says that it was established in the first century.... " Can you please help me further. What is the teaching / belief of the Watchtower / JW Org in that respect. Do they believe / teach that the Heavenly Kingdom was set up in 1914 ? And, if the Kingdom was not set up in 1914, but was established in the first century, then presumably Jesus was reigning as King in heaven at that time. If so, were the apostles / disciples resurrected to heaven immediately on their dying as humans ? This would all be new thoughts to me. I don't tend to dig deep enough. And once again knowing who to believe is difficult.

And with all the silliness Mr Harley still plugs his books at the end of it. Well done Mr H. Have a good day.

Yes a bit of light hearted humour is good. Anyway you should expect abuse, you're a writer.

You totally misuse the hate of Child Sexual Abuse within the JW Org, to pretend it is religious persecution. And this is a JW website, hence i don't wish to talk about Catholics, Muslims et al. And once again you compare the GB and the Org to the wicked world outside. Why ? We all know and we all expect, Satan's wicked world to do wicked things. BUT you pretend that the JW Org is so clean and a safe place to be in. Some of us are proving you wrong.

Mr Harley is so stupid. Does he not realise that it WAS ALREADY CAKE, but they broke the CAKE apart. They are splitting blood' in pieces, not building blood from pieces.

@JW Insider Most of this is beyond me but I've noticed that you are working from the year 1914 (the setting up of the Heavenly Kingdom), and I had thought that 1914 itself was in question on here somewhere ? Is the date 1914 firmly established as TRUTH in your eyes, or is it the case that 'if you say it enough, people will believe it'. @TrueTomHarley Does the JW Org really have 'enemies' now ? I mean real opposition ? Obviously on the door to door work you expect to encounter some form of opposition against the beliefs and teachings of the GB and the Org. But are you suggesting there are groups of people deliberately causing problems for the Org right now ? That would be religious persecution. Of course the CSA accusations earthwide give some people real reasons to turn against the JW Org, but that is not opposition to the beliefs or teachings, it is opposition to Child Sexual Abuse. That is NOT religious persecution. It is genuine hate of child abuse.

@b4ucuhear I think you and @TrueTomHarley must be twins. You have the same outlook concerning the JW Org. Next thing you will say is "It's the best game in town " . I wonder, do you write books too ? And this expression gets boring too "If you feel your religion is better, .." My religion, if you need to pigeon hole me. is Christian. I do not belong to a specific 'church' of men. If i read you right here (quote) "what has sometimes been viewed as "new light" has not proven true at all", you are agreeing with me. And you continue to agree with me on how wrong it is to 'blindly follow' the GB and the Org. But of course, as you have been hurt by my comments, you have to try to shoot me down in flames at the end of yours. I don't mind. Its human nature to respond when you get hurt. But I am finding that most JWs on here are seeing the truth in my comments. I can tell by the way they cut me down. And here is my positive input, if you haven't noticed it before :- I feel that Almighty God, through Jesus Christ, will do one of two things. God will either clean up the JW Org and restore the true Remnant / Anointed to run that Org, or, God will use the true Remnant / Anointed to start a new way of serving God properly. Either way God will use His Holy Spirit to properly guide those He chooses to take the lead. Therefore those taking the lead will be inspired of God. And obviously they will be given a proper understanding of the scriptures they need to instruct those of the earthly class. I feel that the scripture which talks about 'ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew', will come true, as those of the Earthly Class 'cling' to the 'Jew' that is the remnant of the Anointed here on earth. However for all this to happen I feel there needs to be another few years before the Judgement time. I've said 10 years, but in my heart i know of course that God could do it all in ten days, if He so wished.... So there is my positive input, and i haven't needed to be part of a 'church' to work that out.

Quote @James Thomas Rook Jr. I don't go to parties, I'm no part of this world . My wife and I are happy in each others company and we don't tend to trust other people. That includes JWs. I spend a lot of time walking the beach or in the countryside on my own. I feel closer to God amongst His creation rather than being amongst material things. Besides which JW parties here in England tend to involve 'dressing up', which is not my thing

Quote @Arauna " Just as humans misuse blood without the respect for the life it represents. " Which humans misuse blood ? If the blood represents life, then do you think it is ok for humans to take it out of the human body and then mess with it, by breaking it down into 'sub-sections' / fractions, just to please other humans ?

Quote @TrueTomHarley reply " What you expect is Santa Claus " How can anyone take this man seriously. No wonder he writes book for a living He's a story teller.

Says the exceedingly worldly guy...... So @Arauna explain how I'm an 'exceedingly worldly guy.' For if you knew me at all you would know how wrong that statement is. Actually I thought it was you that had travelled the world and done everything. Whereas I have been accused, on here, of just sitting at this computer continuously. Just a little note, I didn't vote in the general election, as I'm no part of this world, an don't put my trust in 'earthling man'. We also do not celebrate the upcoming pagan festival, not do we celebrate birthdays. Nor do I go to a 'pub' as I don't drink alcohol, and I don't smoke and don't 'do drugs'. So I'm not exactly what I would call worldly. Oh yes and the JW Org are involved in the PROPERTY MARKET, selling multiple properties. Not just one house. Quote @TrueTomHarley From the Revelation Climax book, published in 1988: “It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible. Like Joseph of old, we say: “Do not interpretations belong to God?” (Genesis 40:8)” If I remember correctly that was written on a picture page and would easily have been overlooked as it was not part of a paragraph that would have been read in the study. It was of course a 'cop out' due to the fact that they had been so wrong on so many other occasions. I believe this book was studied three times so as to indoctrinate congregants, even though they were not sure it was true. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny, BUT it was playing with people's lives.

I was right in my thinking that there was nothing worth viewing on here right now But you all remind me so much of the GB and its writing dept. You and they have nothing important or even sensible to say, BUT you have to write something. Its as if you have this desperate need to fill up space. Well of course the GB / Writing dept DO have to fill up space in the magazines each month.

Quote @b4ucuhear " For example, we realized that the “superior authorities” mentioned in Romans 13:1 are, not Jehovah God and Jesus Christ, but the political rulers " BUT the original teaching by the Bible Students was that the 'superior authorities' was the political rulers. It was fully understood in the first place. So, why was false reasoning used to give false teaching ? Obviously no Holy Spirit involved there. So you cannot say that it was new light or better understanding when it was originally known anyway

@Srecko Sostar I don't know, but it made me laugh anyway. If some of the 'brothers' are deeply involved in the property business, and other brothers are deeply involved in the legal / lawyer business (court cases), then it seems the JW Org becomes more worldly every day. I cannot believe this is what God or Jesus Christ wants from 'chosen ones'.

I see you as a funny spiritually blind person, so your comments do not bother me at all. Adam blamed Eve did he? Well you seem to blame the Victims of Abuse and wrongful D/fed. When Almighty God, working through Christ, decides to take action against the Watchtower / JW Org, then you and many others will get the biggest shock of your lives. I think though that God may be helping the Victims of Child Sexual Abuse within the JW Org, so God may have started His cleansing process. Only time will tell if God wishes to use the Org or to replace it. Meanwhile you can keep worshipping the GB and your Elders.

They are not selling ONE house, they are running a Property business https://ibsaproperty.com/ IBSA London Properties is part of IBSA (International Bible Students Association) a registered charity acting on behalf of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Britain and Ireland. For more information about Jehovah’s Witnesses please follow this link.

I think you are wrong. The GB and or others at the top, make rules that are not from scripture. The Elders enforce those rules blindly. In Jesus time the religious leaders did the same thing. 'Putting heavy loads on the shoulders of others, which they would not even use a finger to help'. And actually the baptism questions / at baptism, a person agrees to become 'One of Jehovah's Witnesses', so it is much like a contract. Also the Elders use the threat of disfellowshipping someone, which then means the person will be shunned by maybe 100 or more people / the whole congregation. And it could also mean the loss of business because JWs won't do business with D'fed ones. Whereas 'interested ones' that go to meetings and do ministry, are not ruled over by the Elders. True that elders could stop an unbaptised one from doing ministry. but that is all they can do. An Elder does not have the authority to tell an unbaptised person not to talk to a D'fed person. I think that on some occasions the 'law of the land' shows more justice and mercy than the JW org. And the rules of the GB /JW Org go beyond the things written in the scriptures. The GB themselves know this and have had to tell their lawyers and elders to lie in courts because of it.

Well Mr Harley 'No one knows the day or the hour', so why oh why have your Soc / GB / Writing Dept pretended so much to know so much ? And yes, I think it is years away yet, 10 years or more. There is so much to put right, or a new Org to build. But I never said a " brand spanking new anointed ". Because there are members of the Anointed already available to do the job. It's just that they are not allowed to do it, because your GB pretend to be the F&DS. I won't take it any further than that for fear of being disfellowshipped from here. If Almighty God decides to use the JW Org then He will have the Org there ready and He will adjust it for His own purposes. So it won't have to be "everything new from the ground up". It will be God, through Christ, putting people in their place, and making people show humility. Be ready for it Tom.

Well here in the UK the JW Org are selling houses for over one million pounds each in London, and I didn't even look at how much the commercial properties were. So they are into big business it seems, whilst Jesus said He was no part of this world. I'd love to know exactly who lives in those one million pound houses before they are sold, and is it JW volunteers that refurbish the houses.

I don't bother to visit here so often as I'm too busy, but the last 4 or 5 pages here are heavy reading that's for sure. But it seems that most of you JWs are saying, as some of us 'opposers' say anyway, that the Soc/Org/ GB et al, have got it all wrong. I've been saying to Mr Harley that there must be another ten years left, if not more... And I note that one or two of you have said that the GB and others always expect the 'end' to come within their lifetime. Selfishness of course. Many people 'serve God' and / or join JW Org just to survive the Judgement, so they want it in their lifetime. 1914 ? The choosing it / using it as a pivotal date/time wasn't inspired, we know that much. But keep it up, it gives me more confidence in what I believe.

Quote @Anna "This could still buy us another 10 years, and it could still be said that it was one generation." @TrueTomHarley Didn't I say the Judgement is another 10 years away ? Seems like Anna might agree with me

@Srecko Sostar Here in the UK we would say that you have 'opened up a can of worms' with your words above. You have opened the way to hundreds of questions. And although @Witness gives some very fine comments, she/he also opens the way to many questions. For God to fulfil his 'plans' I would think He would need some kind of 'united people' Earth wide. And hence He would need to guide those people by using/sending His Holy Spirit to them. But as the GB and presumably the Writing Dept et al, admit to not receiving God's Holy Spirit then I presume God cannot be using them at this time. No i don't expect humans to be perfect or to act perfectly. But I do expect anyone chosen by God, to become leaders in God's chosen 'united people', to be inspired by God's Holy spirit so as to do their jobs properly. As you say Srecko, God works through His Holy Spirit. He has always done so in the past, why would He not do so now ?

Quote "Neither the word opportune nor appointed is found in the Greek, only the word time. But the more typical meaning is "opportunity" as in: " Isn't this then ADDING to the scriptures ? Just using the word time would surely have done the job. And to use the phrase 'appointed times' is surely wrong as it suggests a pre-planned time / a set time. Isn't it a sin to add to the scriptures ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Separate comment. Quote @JW Insider Sounds like you disagree with what Brother Splane said when he admitted that over 100 teachings that had turned Bible parables and Bible historical narratives into specific prophecies were examples of going beyond the things written. Quote "But if you think about it, almost every single past error where the Watchtower has made an interpretation that was later changed was also a matter of going beyond the things written. Whenever there was a changed teaching where the Watchtower had said "this is what it means" instead of "this is what it might mean" was a matter of going beyond the things written." WOW ! This should be put up in lights outside every Kingdom Hall, for all Witnesses and members of the public to read. And that in itself is good enough reason for not being a JW, because the GB and it's Writing Dept GO BEYOND THE THINGS WRITTEN, and they admit to not being inspired. But, they say that one has to be a baptised JW to gain salvation. That is so funny when you consider it all.

If only you would stop quoting outside sources, and just be more basic with your comments, then i may understand them . Yes I understand 'if your throw out all the good, only the bad is left. But the reverse is, if you only see the good, you are not being honest with yourself or others. @Arauna is a case in point.